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[Q] Qualcomm question..

First of all Im new to the forum so hello lol
I have a question about qualcomm...I know that the scorpion processor in the next generation 45 nm chip but what I dont understand is why is it clocked at 800mhz?
The made it such a big deal crossing the 1ghz mark and I would assume that they would never look back. I might not have my facts straight but dosent the 45 nm run clock-cycles just like a 65 nm but more efficiently in respect of battery consumption.
It looks as if they wanted to get in on the low-end Android market share. As for the G2 which I love, my friend ran quadrant pro infront of me and it shows the cpu was scored what looked like 20% lower than the nexus one at 2.2 (my guess from looking at it) but of coarse the gpu trashed the nexus one.
I saw a interview on engadget about a week ago about googles executive that said soon there will be a clear distinction or line between low end Android and high end Android devices. I wonder if HTC is in contact with google about future updates in order to release devices adequate enough to run them or are they just blindly releasing high build quality devices lol
Sorry about the long post but I had come up with a few questions that I didn't want to ask anywhere else.
Thanks.

Wait until our geniuses figure out root then you can happily run it a 1 Ghz+. If you look at the spec scheets for the MSM7230 then you will see it's rated for speeds 800-1000. Higher speeds=lower battery life, so the reasons for having it clocked lower are very practical. My G2 can average 1600-1650 on quadrant, so I don't think it's that bad.

azzeh3 said:
First of all Im new to the forum so hello lol
I have a question about qualcomm...I know that the scorpion processor in the next generation 45 nm chip but what I dont understand is why is it clocked at 800mhz?
The made it such a big deal crossing the 1ghz mark and I would assume that they would never look back. I might not have my facts straight but dosent the 45 nm run clock-cycles just like a 65 nm but more efficiently in respect of battery consumption.
It looks as if they wanted to get in on the low-end Android market share. As for the G2 which I love, my friend ran quadrant pro infront of me and it shows the cpu was scored what looked like 20% lower than the nexus one at 2.2 (my guess from looking at it) but of coarse the gpu trashed the nexus one.
I saw a interview on engadget about a week ago about googles executive that said soon there will be a clear distinction or line between low end Android and high end Android devices. I wonder if HTC is in contact with google about future updates in order to release devices adequate enough to run them or are they just blindly releasing high build quality devices lol
Sorry about the long post but I had come up with a few questions that I didn't want to ask anywhere else.
Thanks.
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MHz is a misleading statistic to judge performance by. A 1GHz processor is not guaranteed to be faster than an 800MHz one. What is always true, though, is that a given processor running at 1GHz will take more energy than the same processor running at 800MHz. Because these new processors are so fast, even at 800MHz, they are competitive or even faster than any other phone on the market today. However by clocking them a bit slower, they also have quite serviceable battery life.
In daily use, it is unlikely that you would notice much difference between 800MHz and 1GHz with this cpu. They are both plenty fast, and most of the time the CPU will be waiting for you, not the other way around. However if it were clocked at 1GHz, you would immediately see a shorter battery life, so to my mind the sacrifice is well worth it.
As far as any fears that this might be a "low end phone", make no mistake, this is the premiere Android phone on the market right now. The Droid 2 may have a higher profile, but it is slower, has a slower network, and uses a non-standard GUI (not to mention a whole lot more expensive when you factor in the price of the service). No phone will have every possible feature that people want, but as far as raw capabilities go, there is no better phone on the market today as far as I can see.

Those seem to be very valid points and thanks for the input..
One other thing when exactly do you need 1ghz of processing speed?? I mean back in the day the macbook air used a 1.5 ghz processor..
Also where dose the ram come into play?

azzeh3 said:
Those seem to be very valid points and thanks for the input..
One other thing when exactly do you need 1ghz of processing speed?? I mean back in the day the macbook air used a 1.5 ghz processor..
Also where dose the ram come into play?
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RAM is a far bigger determiner of performance on a day-to-day basis than processor speed, at least to a point. You could have a 10GHz computer, but if you only had 64k of RAM it would crawl along miserably slow.
In either case, there is a point of diminishing returns, though as applications become more demanding that point gets higher and higher. I remember selling Mac's back in the early-mid 90's and telling eople, don't worry, 16Megs of RAM (a huge amount back then when the standard was 4MB) would handle anything they could throw at it. Little did I know that just 15 years later I would have 500x that much in my desktop and 32x as much in my cell phone!
I am by no means a Andoid systems expert, but from what I have read there is not much benefit of having more than 512MB of RAM with the current versions of the Android OS. I would have preferred that they included 1GB of RAM just for a future growth path, but I can understand why they didn't. Each of these features costs money, so you have to draw the line someplace, you can't included every feature people may ask for in every phone.

Your right lol How will the big companies make any money if they give you everything you wanted....
I've never kept a phone for more than 8 months because of updated stats but lately there is a boom in technology so its going to be more like 4 months now hahaha

Set CPU for WP7

Can anyone develop an app which can set CPU speed in WP7 phones???

probably.

Now, this would be kind of cool!! Especially if i can run my samsung focus at 1.4ghz

Overclocking by 40% would probably destroy your phone... just saying.

GoodDayToDie said:
Overclocking by 40% would probably destroy your phone... just saying.
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I don't think so. My old Omnia HD (Symbian) can be overclocked from 600mhz to 900/950mhz (50% more) without problem, with an elder architecture...
I wish to see 2nd Gen. devices how much can be overclocked...1.8 Ghz will be great! But Wp is the faster OS yet =D

Older architectures are actually often better for overclocking, because they're not running as close to the theoretical limit on the speed of the chip (the practical limit is based on heat dissipation capability, but there are other limits that are more subtle and tend to just result in weird hardware errors rather than thermal shutoff). That said, 1GHz is still probably pretty far from the limit.

I wouldn't oc for my device just to watch the speed of the cpu or maybe just a little bit

I think this will be useful only for device with new cpu with 1ghz clock like radar

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HTC One X has 5 cores?

I'm really confused by HTC advertisement
As we all have known, the HOX comes with a Tegra3 Quad-Core CPU 1,5Ghz
But in some HTC One X Catalog provided by HTC, they say that the HOX has one more core to manage the performance and power to increase the battery life of the device
Can anyone confirm this info? It is really confusing

Yes. The phone has a 1.5 GHz quad core processor. It also has a single companion core which it offloads to for low power. Usually when deep sleeping
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mr1029x said:
I'm really confused by HTC advertisement
As we all have known, the HOX comes with a Tegra3 Quad-Core CPU 1,5Ghz
But in some HTC One X Catalog provided by HTC, they say that the HOX has one more core to manage the performance and power to increase the battery life of the device
Can anyone confirm this info? It is really confusing
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Yes, the hox has 5 cores. The last one is a low power core. It is running only when performance is not needed and when the other cores are disable. His goal is saving power.

mr1029x said:
I'm really confused by HTC advertisement
As we all have known, the HOX comes with a Tegra3 Quad-Core CPU 1,5Ghz
But in some HTC One X Catalog provided by HTC, they say that the HOX has one more core to manage the performance and power to increase the battery life of the device
Can anyone confirm this info? It is really confusing
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As people stated here, yes, it has 5 cores. 4 full power cores for harder processes. This is why it's called quad-core. But there's another, "small" one, which is called the Ninja core. It's active when there are no CPU extensive tasks, it eats less battery (smaller consumption) than the "big" ones.
Sounds really nice, although I'm unsure how useful it is. I found different opinions on it. Obviously Nvidia says it's a really cool thing to have, but other people state it's useless, since it's almost always off, others say it's making the things worse, since sometimes it tries to perform tasks, but it's too weak, so the things are slower with it than without it. But as I sad, I don't know, these are just opinions.

FYI the core swithing thingly is hardware control rather than software, less prone to programming mistakes..

Yod-b said:
As people stated here, yes, it has 5 cores. 4 full power cores for harder processes. This is why it's called quad-core. But there's another, "small" one, which is called the Ninja core. It's active when there are no CPU extensive tasks, it eats less battery (smaller consumption) than the "big" ones.
Sounds really nice, although I'm unsure how useful it is. I found different opinions on it. Obviously Nvidia says it's a really cool thing to have, but other people state it's useless, since it's almost always off, others say it's making the things worse, since sometimes it tries to perform tasks, but it's too weak, so the things are slower with it than without it. But as I sad, I don't know, these are just opinions.
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I think the ninja core is what accounts for the INSANE standby time HOX can have.

Yod-b said:
As people stated here, yes, it has 5 cores. 4 full power cores for harder processes. This is why it's called quad-core. But there's another, "small" one, which is called the Ninja core. It's active when there are no CPU extensive tasks, it eats less battery (smaller consumption) than the "big" ones.
Sounds really nice, although I'm unsure how useful it is. I found different opinions on it. Obviously Nvidia says it's a really cool thing to have, but other people state it's useless, since it's almost always off, others say it's making the things worse, since sometimes it tries to perform tasks, but it's too weak, so the things are slower with it than without it. But as I sad, I don't know, these are just opinions.
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Yeah I think it's quite useful when the HOX is in standby mode or opening small applications. If there are some how the developers can active this core as well as the other 4 in gaming than the game will be a little bit more smoother. Am I right?

nVidia officially call it a '4+1' processor

We've got two clusters in the Tegra 3 SoC.
One is the "G" Cluster, containing 4 cores, and the other one is the "LP" Cluster, containing one core, called "Companion Core" (or also, someone likes calling it "Ninja Core", fugly and inappropriate IMHO).
The cluster switching is not made by hardware, but by software.... if you don't believe that, go watch into the kernel source
...oh and...yeah, nVidia calls it "4-PLUS-1 architecture".
@mr1029x
Absolutely not: you won't have any improvement by activating the LP core for normal operation.
@death__machine
Did you know that the companion core is practically the same of the other cores in the G cluster?
The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,
--kholk

kholk said:
We've got two clusters in the Tegra 3 SoC.
One is the "G" Cluster, containing 4 cores, and the other one is the "LP" Cluster, containing one core, called "Companion Core" (or also, someone likes calling it "Ninja Core", fugly and inappropriate IMHO).
The cluster switching is not made by hardware, but by software.... if you don't believe that, go watch into the kernel source
...oh and...yeah, nVidia calls it "4-PLUS-1 architecture".
@mr1029x
Absolutely not: you won't have any improvement by activating the LP core for normal operation.
@death__machine
Did you know that the companion core is practically the same of the other cores in the G cluster?
The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,
--kholk
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By practically the same, do you mean the companion* core is underclocked or undervolted (software lock)by nvidia?
If thats the case, its similar to how ATI & Nvidia used to reduce the the performance or even pipelines of their gfx cards via software and we could just flash another fw and unlock it.

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[INFO] 2/23 || s800 CPU bin || "How stable is YOUR chip?"

A few users in the kernel asked about this subject. So I'm going to answer some questions, and provide some information and understanding here about what a "cpu bin" means (/d/acpuclk/pvs_bin) and more importantly, what it means to us as users.
I'll go ahead and snip my response from the kernel thread to get things rolling here so we can get a basic idea of it, and have an analogy to put into physicality of how this can be compared to something less "mysterious" for the every day guy wanting to understand.
Your CPU bin is the result of your device's inspection and test criteria at the Qualcomm factory. Basically a high bin CPU like a 5 or 6 is a very well made chip and very stable with very little imperfections in the manufacturing process. What this means for a HIGH bin is that the chip requires less voltage to operate at any frequency than, say, a bin 1. This is why you see some people having reboot issues when trying to under volt - their processor becomes unstable with less juice because of less accurate tolerances.
Think of it as friction. If you have a well oiled arm on a machine, and part of that arm's job is to force it's way through an opening repeatedly, and the tolerances on the arm and the opening are just slightly off... Well, for that "more out of tolerance" one to do the same amount of work as one that's parts were machined perfectly, it would require more force, because there is more friction inherently from a less accurate build process. Think of the machine as the CPU, the force required behind the arm being moved to carry out the work as the voltage required in your chip, and the tolerance of the parts as the same - just a different types of parts because of course, it is an analogy.
A higher CPU bin is, generally speaking, a more stable chip. Bus frequency, RAM speed, GPU speeds... Everything is directly related, in terms of stability and capable clock rate, to the chip's bin (or quality of build).
Here is an interesting article that most people will find shocking. Look at the difference is clock rates of low and high binned chips:
http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/09/difference-snapdragon-800-2-2ghz-2-3ghz/#.Uwdf2p_TnqA
Note the example of the HTC One and Galaxy S4. It is obvious that Qualcomm sold their higher end chips to Samsung, while HTC was given the less quality chips. Same chip. Same theoretical clock rate. However, the chips in the HTC One are different in 1 aspect - their build quality, and therefore, their capable clock rate and their stable clock rate.
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And of course the end of that article reallllyy sums up the bottom line here for those of us who like to overclock:
So, you mean to say I should avoid any Android device that uses a Snapdragon S800 SoC running at 2.2GHz, and not 2.3GHz? No! The S800 is the fastest SoC available from Qualcomm, and the slight difference in performance between the different bins should not affect your final decision at all. The S800 is more than future-proof so don’t worry about the slight difference in clock speed.
However, if you are a benchmark junkie or love to overclock your device, better get an Android device that uses the higher binned S800.
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It is important to note, that while there is a slight difference in performance (of course at stock speeds) there is a huge difference in stability when you start adding non-calculated variables when the processor was given it's bin number.... over clocking... and under volting - both common things that are added into a device's operation after rooting and installing a new kernel.
A small tid bit of information to think about:
A bin 6 runs the stock MAX frequency with only 950 MV...
A bin 0 runs the stock MAX frequency with 1100 MV...
150mv difference! You can see the example of my "machine analogy" can't you? Less is required, to do the same amount of work.
SO, what does all of this mean anyways? Well, to sum it all up, it simply means that you should be aware of your device's capabilities. KNOW YOUR BIN!
With a file explorer, navigate to:
Code:
/d/acpuclk/pvs_bin
And if you are running 4.4.2 KitKat:
Code:
/sys/devices/system/soc/soc0/soc_pvs
There will be a number there 0 - 6
If you are an overclock junkie, higher the number the better.
A lower number like a 0 or 1 will simply mean that you will not be able to get away with as much overclocking and under volting. You kind of just are what you are. If you are a 0 or 1, or even a 2 and you are overclocking and under volting your device and having reboots... well, luck of the draw. Your chip just needs that extra juice to operate, it is a physically binding attribute. Set, and test. Set, and test. Find out where your device is comfortable and what it can handle and accept it.
There is a lot more information that I will add later - specifically about how the different bins are more or less power friendly.
I hope this sheds some light for those who want to understand this.
For those of you wanting to know the guts (as a result of, again, PMs) Keep reading...
BREAKING IT DOWN - A Tale of Two Snapdragons
The test methods involved in "binning" chips. What I am about to explain is what, quite honestly, few people know. This is because the process of testing goes on behind closed doors at Qualcomm, but is common practice in manufacturing anything mechanical or electronic. Quality Control is why you have these "binned" CPUs. It is basically the result of a set of tests run on the chip to examine extremes in variation of fabrication of the chips. No chip, or manufactured part for that matter, is exactly the same as the next, simply because of manufacturing variables that cause the manufactured design to have slight variations or even defects. The silicon of the chip being exposed to undesirable or slightly out of "tolerance" environmental temperatures, for example, could have an effect on the quality of the end product. It is a very controlled process, and the "process corner" as it is called or design of experiments, it a process used to test, evaluate, and graph the uncontrolled moments of that particular part's manufacturing journey.
All of this translates to robustness of a design. After Qualcomm builds the processor, they want to know how this device will perform under different extreme conditions! Simple logic! If I build something, I want to know how it will handle stress, right? But I don't want to damage the ones I have already built. What they do is replicate these possible manufacturing defects in something called "corner lots". Corner lots have had manufacturing process parameters adjusted according to these extremes. They will then test the devices made from these special "test wafers". Typically, for CPUs, and I know at Qualcomm, they will run voltage tests, clock frequency, temperature.
For voltage, for example, the idea there is to push the device to it's maximum and minimum capability at various clock frequencies, to determine it's stability threshold. Any of you other Engineers out there of the electrical type (I am Mechanical, however) have heard a "shmoo plot" which is basically these test functions graphed as hard data. Based on how the chip performs, it is given a number. A well made chip has less manufacturing variation, obviously, and passes the tests with flying colors, shows very desirable characterization traits during the test method, and is given a bin 6 - just as an example. Another chip does ok, is a little less stable overall than the previous, but is still acceptable based upon the design and engineering criteria, and is given a 0 - barely passing the characterization "test".
So back to the beginning. What is CPU binning? What does the number mean?
Well, based up the pvs tables in the source code, it is obvious that the bin 6's are the ones with less VFP (variation of fabrication parameters) because they require less voltage, and at the same time are clocked higher in the GPU, CPU, and RAM and bus. Less force is required to get the job done. A bin 6 would be comparable to the car you bought that finally took a dump a 300k miles while the other one of similar make, model and year died at 200k. Variation in manufacturing. It applies to everything in industry, not just cars and machined parts made of steel. That is what the tests are designed to do. That is why your voltage tables from one device to the next will vary slightly. That is why one person can run this kernel, and this person can't and why one person can under volt their device 35mv while you cannot.
That is what your cpu "bin" represents people. Simply the physical results of some tests done by some engineers to determine your particular processor's compliance to tolerances as it was being built.

Reserved for images of pvs tables. Note the difference in the voltage tables to the right of the frequency steps.

Tmobile note 3, my number is 3. Thanks for the lesson and helpful info.

I wish you got your scale backwards, my T-Mobile Note 3 is a 1.
Edit: Checked my wife's phone and she has a 0. These phones are less than a month old. Wonder if it is just hit and miss per batch or if they started buying cheaper chips.

You are a beacon of knowledge.. Another great write up.. tappin that thanks
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hmmm interesting write up. I had no clue about CPU binning. Mine is a value of 5. Is there supposed to be anything else in there? It's just a 5, nothing else.

Got a 3.
I don't do any CPU tweaks, but it's nice to know for future reference.
Thx
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rjohnstone said:
Got a 3.
I don't do any CPU tweaks, but it's nice to know for future reference.
Thx
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yeah this phone doesn't need overclocking. I'm stock deodexed with bloat removed and I've never once had the phone stutter or lag once and apps open consistently faster then any phone I've ever had prior to this one (including my S4). Though I do maintenance (wipe Dalvik/cache) every 3 or 4 days.

cun7 said:
With a file explorer, navigate to:
Code:
/d/acpuclk/pvs_bin
There will be a number there 0 - 6
If you are an overclock junkie, higher the number the better.
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I am on Project X Kit Kat rom - I used Root Explorer to see if I could locate this - I found d/ folder but I coulid not find anyhting named anything close to acpuclk/pvs_bin
maybe I am looking in the wrong place? Any guidance would be helpful...
thanks

Eric214 said:
Mine is a value of 5. Is there supposed to be anything else in there? It's just a 5, nothing else.
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I hate you.
Sent from another galaxy

Also have a 3 on my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (T-Mobile - Stock 4.3)

3 here
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Can anybody with high bin (3-6 lets say) post top and bottom values from acpu_table in the same directory? Just wanted to see how those settings differ at 300MHz idle and 2265MHz full speed to mine with bin 1.

this thread has been addressed before, and the problem with this is that if you ever flashed a rom on your phone, then the bin number will change to that person who made the rom. therefor, the only way this works is if you never flashed a rom or you have your back up rom. Am i missing something ?
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oh ok maybe i was wrong sorry

pete4k said:
Can anybody with high bin (3-6 lets say) post top and bottom values from acpu_table in the same directory? Just wanted to see how those settings differ at 300MHz idle and 2265MHz full speed to mine with bin 1.
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I'm running a 3 and I have the same settings.
300 idle and 2265 max.
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Updated post number 2 with images of the pvs table source code. Look at the difference in voltage levels based on the bin number! Quite a difference guys!

Mine doesn't have said folder lol
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mocsab said:
I am on Project X Kit Kat rom - I used Root Explorer to see if I could locate this - I found d/ folder but I coulid not find anyhting named anything close to acpuclk/pvs_bin
maybe I am looking in the wrong place? Any guidance would be helpful...
thanks
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Its not there in kitkat roms.

/d/acpuclk/
Not /acpuclk/

On Kitkat it is located at:
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/sys/devices/system/soc/soc0/soc_pvs

Question Class Action Lawsuit against OnePlus launched

More details about lawsuit here - http://www.bursor.com/legal-action-against-one-plus/
If you purchased a OnePlus 9 or OnePlus 9 Pro smartphone at any point, we would like to hear from you about your experiences.
On July 6th, AnandTech reported that the OnePlus 9 and OnePlus 9 Pro smartphones were throttling popular apps, resulting in “inexplicable” slowdown. AnandTech further reported that “OnePlus is blacklisting popular applications away from its fastest cores [in the Snapdragon 888 processor], causing slow down in typical workloads such as web browsing.” AnandTech found that this throttling causes “most of the top popular [user] apps [to] get notably reduced performance” in the OnePlus 9 and OnePlus 9 Pro smartphones.

This must be the biggest tech joke ever.
So users didn't know the phone was throttling as there were no issues in the apps it was throttled in and now after discovering it, its a problem??
This is the "If I paid for the whole speedometer I'm gonna use the whole speedometer" mentality that made humans lose a few years of advancement

awsan said:
This must be the biggest tech joke ever.
So users didn't know the phone was throttling as there were no issues in the apps it was throttled in and now after discovering it, its a problem??
This is the "If I paid for the whole speedometer I'm gonna use the whole speedometer" mentality that made humans lose a few years of advancement
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Wolkswagen cheating on emission tests wasn't an issue either, people didn't notice it was polluting way more than they said it was, so when they got caught they got fined hard but by your logic if people won't notice it's fine?
Apple was too caught throttling but most people didn't notice so it's also fine?
MOD EDIT: please re-phrase your comments and be civil.

Try to keep it civilised...
The argument about VW doesn't make sense.
VW got fined because they polluted more then they were allowed.
And so breaking the emission rules.
There are no rules regarding smartphone speed...
Also, the cars used more fuel then VW made people believe. Because they cheated the tests...
So if you bought a car thinking it would use X amount of fuel, in reality it used waaay more.
So more expensive as a consumer.
You do not need to charge your phone more because of this. Rather the contrary.

Bunecarera said:
Try to keep it civilised...
The argument about VW doesn't make sense.
VW got fined because they polluted more then they were allowed.
And so breaking the emission rules.
There are no rules regarding smartphone speed...
Also, the cars used more fuel then VW made people believe. Because they cheated the tests...
So if you bought a car thinking it would use X amount of fuel, in reality it used waaay more.
So more expensive as a consumer.
You do not need to charge your phone more because of this. Rather the contrary.
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There are no rules regarding phone speed or how much it produces CO2 sure, but it's still deceitful towards customers and that's illegal in most countries, advertising something that's not true.

fdgfgd said:
Wolkswagen cheating on emission tests wasn't an issue either, people didn't notice it was polluting way more than they said it was, so when they got caught they got fined hard but by your logic if people won't notice it's fine?
Apple was too caught throttling but most people didn't notice so it's also fine?
Your argument is garbage and it's honestly a shame to see people like you on an enthusiast forum. Maybe if you had more braincells you would've actually noticed that the performance when browsing wasn't quite there.
People like you are the reason why companies can keep exploiting customers with false promises and get away with it.
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Fikul said:
Stop crying and thank them that phone has better battery and generates less heat in these apps.
And if your cry will not stop, wait for Android 12, you will be able yo turn it off and fry an egg on the back of the phone if you want.
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fdgfgd said:
Thank them? Are you mentally sane? Samsung has the same chip without this throttling and has better battery life lol. And why would I wait for their slow ass developers to create the toggle when I have been running without TPD/OPPerf for weeks now and it's completely fine? This phone gets hot even with that throttling enabled. This phone has deficient thermal design and battery life and all this software does is try to somewhat hide it lmao.
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I switched from Samsung S21+ to OP9 pro and i see no difference in battery life, both phones have thermal issues because it's more Snap888 thing.
So all actions made to get better battery life without causing any slowdowns are welcome.

Fikul said:
Stop crying and thank them that phone has better battery and generates less heat in these apps.
And if your cry will not stop, wait for Android 12, you will be able yo turn it off and fry an egg on the back of the phone if you want.
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Would you still buy a 256GB upgrade knowing that the added 128GB is locked off to allow the phone to appear less full? I completely agree with setting parameters that cause a restriction, but not package names.

Fikul said:
I switched from Samsung S21+ to OP9 pro and i see no difference in battery life, both phones have thermal issues because it's more Snap888 thing.
So all actions made to get better battery life without causing any slowdowns are welcome.
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there's a world of difference in performance with the OPPerf module flashed. I paid for a phone with X specs. I got a phone that isn't any better (and sometimes worse) in real world usage than my 7 Pro was.

I really don't understand why people are simping over OnePlus. They're still good phones and a pretty good company, but they boned 9 owners with this throttling.
"Let's limit the performance and hope they don't notice!".
They made a mistake, they got caught, let's see how they fix it.
There should be an option to enable or disable throttling based on user preference. Not just a blanket throttling.

everybody talk about slow app performance, there are many videos but why no video shows the slowness?

fdgfgd said:
Thank them? Are you mentally sane? Samsung has the same chip without this throttling and has better battery life lol. And why would I wait for their slow ass developers to create the toggle when I have been running without TPD/OPPerf for weeks now and it's completely fine? This phone gets hot even with that throttling enabled. This phone has deficient thermal design and battery life and all this software does is try to somewhat hide it lmao.
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This is exactly right.

fdgfgd said:
Thank them? Are you mentally sane? Samsung has the same chip without this throttling and has better battery life lol. And why would I wait for their slow ass developers to create the toggle when I have been running without TPD/OPPerf for weeks now and it's completely fine? This phone gets hot even with that throttling enabled. This phone has deficient thermal design and battery life and all this software does is try to somewhat hide it lmao.
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"Thank you Sir! May I have another!"
This is messed up and sounds like it's not correctable... insufficient heat sinking.
The cover up is always worse then the initial crime

Yeah, this isn't gonna get very far

Over here wondering if my post had anything to do with this

craznazn said:
Yeah, this isn't gonna get very far
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never know

fdgfgd said:
Wolkswagen cheating on emission tests wasn't an issue either, people didn't notice it was polluting way more than they said it was, so when they got caught they got fined hard but by your logic if people won't notice it's fine?
Apple was too caught throttling but most people didn't notice so it's also fine?
Your argument is garbage and it's honestly a shame to see people like you on an enthusiast forum. Maybe if you had more braincells you would've actually noticed that the performance when browsing wasn't quite there.
People like you are the reason why companies can keep exploiting customers with false promises and get away with it.
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This is the most ironic answer I have ever seen, Like holly shhhh it my dude
Did you read what you wrote for a second.
I would recommend taking a little more Iodine as the lack of Iodine responsible for the lack of logic.
I have had the 7pro(7 months),7t(3 months),8(1 month),8pro(6 months) and the 9pro(almost 4 months)
I have a minimum of 70+ apps installed at all time, I have never faced any slowdowns or lag on the phone.
You want me to sue them for limiting the performance of the CPU on apps that wont take use of it? why not OC the CPU to run the calculator?
When ever the app needs performance its there when ever it doesn't need it, its not there.
That is basic logic, I work within the laptops industry, I have good understanding of how PowerLimits, TDPs and wattages should be monitored on a mobile device this happens all the time, a customer wants to whole wattage and performance and the engineer knows its impossible to keep the device cool enough to preform reasonably.
its whole rabbit hole that I cant even convey properly, you getting angry because they did this proves you dont understand the logic behind it.
Go do your thing and cry for something stupid that will divert their focus from something important to deal with this.

awsan said:
This is the most ironic answer I have ever seen, Like holly shhhh it my dude
Did you read what you wrote for a second.
I would recommend taking a little more Iodine as the lack of Iodine responsible for the lack of logic.
I have had the 7pro(7 months),7t(3 months),8(1 month),8pro(6 months) and the 9pro(almost 4 months)
I have a minimum of 70+ apps installed at all time, I have never faced any slowdowns or lag on the phone.
You want me to sue them for limiting the performance of the CPU on apps that wont take use of it? why not OC the CPU to run the calculator?
When ever the app needs performance its there when ever it doesn't need it, its not there.
That is basic logic, I work within the laptops industry, I have good understanding of how PowerLimits, TDPs and wattages should be monitored on a mobile device this happens all the time, a customer wants to whole wattage and performance and the engineer knows its impossible to keep the device cool enough to preform reasonably.
its whole rabbit hole that I cant even convey properly, you getting angry because they did this proves you dont understand the logic behind it.
Go do your thing and cry for something stupid that will divert their focus from something important to deal with this.
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How is the amount of apps installed on your phone relevant here? It's not going to affect CPU thread management or clocks, we're not talking about storage speed here lol.
Limiting CPU on apps that wont make use of it? Are you serious, haha, you do know how sophisticated browsers are and that you can run complex software in them that can and will use up all the CPU power a machine has. You can run games in the browser, run multi threaded background tasks in Web Workers, build complex Javascript applications in it that can do any kind of graphical or not calculations. It's not the 90's anymore bro, the browser isn't a simple program to view HTML files anymore. Chrome is basically an OS at this point hence why ChromeOS exists. And it's clearly evident that you nor OnePlus realizes that.
If you work in the laptop industry then you should know that not a single manufacturer is doing blacklist/whitelist based CPU limiting and the CPU is only throttled when you run into thermal limits or you THE USER choose to use a power saving which usually slightly throttles GPU/CPU.
The 888 chip was designed so that the X1 Prime core is used for short lived intensive tasks when for example opening a new website and the Javascript needs to be parsed and executed, but OnePlus decided that they don't like it and disable or throttle it heavily going against Qualcomm's design.
Why even put the 888 in the phone if you're going to throttle it so it wouldn't be ever used in it's full potential, just for marketing and then hope clueless people like you eat it up?

fdgfgd said:
How is the amount of apps installed on your phone relevant here? It's not going to affect CPU thread management or clocks, we're not talking about storage speed here lol.
Limiting CPU on apps that wont make use of it? Are you serious, haha, you do know how sophisticated browsers are and that you can run complex software in them that can and will use up all the CPU power a machine has. You can run games in the browser, run multi threaded background tasks in Web Workers, build complex Javascript applications in it that can do any kind of graphical or not calculations. It's not the 90's anymore bro, the browser isn't a simple program to view HTML files anymore. Chrome is basically an OS at this point hence why ChromeOS exists. And it's clearly evident that you nor OnePlus realizes that.
If you work in the laptop industry then you should know that not a single manufacturer is doing blacklist/whitelist based CPU limiting and the CPU is only throttled when you run into thermal limits or you THE USER choose to use a power saving which usually slightly throttles GPU/CPU.
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And your using smartphone for all of this stuff ? Impressive
I'm not saying that they did it correctly, throttling is not an issue but the fact that they didn't inform customers about it was a mistake.
Anyway Spap 888 didn't give us only performance, there is also video and photo processing, modems and other advantages of having it, so don't tell me that they could use for example Snap 865 in OP9 Pro.