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[Q] Dual Core V. Single Core?

So with the new Dual Core phones coming out I'm wondering... What's all the hullabaloo?
I just finished reading the Moto Atrix review from Engadget and it sounds like crap. They said docking to the ridiculously priced webtop accessory was slow as shiz.
Anyone who knows better, please educate me. I'd like to know what is or will be offered that Dual Core will be capable of that our current gen phones will NOT be capable of.

For one thing (my main interest anyway) dual core cpu's and beyond give us better battery life. If we end up having more data intensive apps and Android becomes more powerful multi-core cpu's will help a lot also. Naturally Android will need to be broken down and revamped to utilize multiple cores to their full potential though. At some point I can see Google using more or merging a large part of the desktop linux kernel to help with that process.
At the rate Android (and smart phones in general) is progressing, someday we may see a 64bit OS on a phone, we will definitely need multi-core cpu's then. I know, it's a bit of a dream but it's probably not too elaborate.

KCRic said:
For one thing (my main interest anyway) dual core cpu's and beyond give us better battery life.
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I'd really, REALLY like to know how you came to that particular conclusion. While a dual core might not eat through quite as much wattage as two single cores, one that takes less is pure snakeoil IMO. I have yet to see a dual core CPU that is rated lower than a comparable single core on the desktop. Why would this be different for phones?
Software and OSes that can handle a dual core CPU need additional CPU cycles to manage the threading this results in, so if anything, dual core CPUs will greatly, GREATLY diminish battery life.
The original posters question is valid. What the heck would one need dual core CPUs in phones for? Personally, I can't think of anything. Running several apps in parallel was a piece of cake way before dual CPUs and more power can easily be obtained through increasing the clock speed.
I'm not saying my parent poster is wrong, but I sure as heck can't imagine the physics behind his statement. So if I'm wrong, someone please enlighten me.

I can see dual cores offering a smoother user experience -- one core could be handling an audio stream while the other is doing phone crap. I don't see how it could improve battery life though....

The theory is that two cores can accomplish the same thing as a single core while only working half as hard, I've seen several articles stating that dual cores will help battery life. Whether that is true I don't know.
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Kokuyo, while you do have a point about dual cores being overkill in a phone I remember long ago people saying "why would you ever need 2gb of RAM in a PC" or "who could ever fill up a 1tb hard drive."
Thing is wouldnt the apps themselves have to be made to take advantage of dual cores as well?

JBunch1228; The short-term answer is nothing. Same answer as the average joe asking what he needs a quad-core in his desktop for. Right now it seems as much a sales gimmick as anything else, since the only Android ver that can actually make use of it is HC. Kinda like the 4G bandwagon everyone jumped on, all marketing right now.
Personally, I;d like to se what happens with the paradigm the Atrix is bringing out in a year or so. Put linux on a decent sized SSD for the laptop component, and use the handset for processing and communications exclusivley, rather than try and use the 'laptop dock' as nothing more than an external keyboard
As far as battery life, I can see how dual-cores could affect it positively, as a dual core doesnt pull as much power as two individual cores, and, if the chip is running for half as long as a single core would for the same operation, that would give you better batt life. Everyone keep in mind I said *if*. I don't see that happening before Q4, since the OS and apps need to be optimized for it.
My $.02 before depreciation.
Then there are the rumors of mobile quad-cores from Nvidia by Q4 as well. I'll keep my single core Vision, and see whats out there when my contract ends. We may have a whole new world.

KCRic said:
For one thing (my main interest anyway) dual core cpu's and beyond give us better battery life. If we end up having more data intensive apps and Android becomes more powerful multi-core cpu's will help a lot also. Naturally Android will need to be broken down and revamped to utilize multiple cores to their full potential though. At some point I can see Google using more or merging a large part of the desktop linux kernel to help with that process.
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Wow, that's complete nonsense.
You can't add parts and end up using less power.
Also, Android needs no additional work to support multiple cores. Android runs on the LINUX KERNEL, which is ***THE*** choice for multi-core/multi-processor supercomputers. Android applications run each in their own process, the linux kernel then takes over process swapping. Android applications also are *already* multi-threaded (unless the specific application developer was a total newb).
At the rate Android (and smart phones in general) is progressing, someday we may see a 64bit OS on a phone, we will definitely need multi-core cpu's then. I know, it's a bit of a dream but it's probably not too elaborate.
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What's the connection? Just because the desktop processor manufacturers went multi-core and 64bit at roughly the same time doesn't mean that the two are even *slightly* related. Use of a 64bit OS on a phone certainly does ***NOT*** somehow require that the processor be multi-core.

dhkr234 said:
Wow, that's complete nonsense.
You can't add parts and end up using less power.
Also, Android needs no additional work to support multiple cores. Android runs on the LINUX KERNEL, which is ***THE*** choice for multi-core/multi-processor supercomputers. Android applications run each in their own process, the linux kernel then takes over process swapping. Android applications also are *already* multi-threaded (unless the specific application developer was a total newb).
What's the connection? Just because the desktop processor manufacturers went multi-core and 64bit at roughly the same time doesn't mean that the two are even *slightly* related. Use of a 64bit OS on a phone certainly does ***NOT*** somehow require that the processor be multi-core.
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The connection lies in the fact that this is technology we're talking about. It continually advances and does is at a rapid rate. No where in it did I say we'll make that jump 'at the same time'. Linux is not ***THE*** choice for multi-core computers, I use Sabayon but also Win7 seems to do just fine with multiple cores. Android doesn't utilize multi-core processors to their full potential and also uses a modified version of the linux kernel (which does fully support multi-core systems), that's whay I made the statement about merging. Being linux and being based on linux are not the same thing. Think of iOS or OSX - based on linux but tell me, how often do linux instuctions work for a Mac?
"you can't add parts and use less power", the car industry would like you clarify that, along with the computer industry. 10 years ago how much energy did electronics use? Was the speed and power vs. power consumption ratio better than it is today? No? I'll try to give an example that hopefully explains why consumes less power.
Pizza=data
People=processors
Time=heat and power consumption
1 person takes 20 minutes to eat 1 whole pizza while 4 people take only 5 minutes. That one person is going to have to work harder and longer in order to complete the same task as the 4 people. That will use more energy and generate much more heat. Heat, as we know, causes processors to become less efficient which means more energy is wasted at the higher clock cycles and less information processed per cycle.
It's not a very technical explanation of why a true multi-core system uses less power but it will have to do. Maybe ask NVidia too since they stated the Tegra processors are more power efficient.

KCRic said:
The connection lies in the fact that this is technology we're talking about. It continually advances and does is at a rapid rate. No where in it did I say we'll make that jump 'at the same time'. Linux is not ***THE*** choice for multi-core computers, I use Sabayon but also Win7 seems to do just fine with multiple cores.
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Show me ***ONE*** supercomputer that runs wondoze. I DARE YOU! They don't exist!
Android doesn't utilize multi-core processors to their full potential and also uses a modified version of the linux kernel (which does fully support multi-core systems), that's whay I made the statement about merging. Being linux and being based on linux are not the same thing.
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??? No, being LINUX and GNU/LINUX are not the same. ANDROID ***IS*** LINUX, but not GNU/LINUX. The kernel is the kernel. The modifications? Have nothing to do with ANYTHING this thread touches on. The kernel is FAR too complex for Android to have caused any drastic changes.
Think of iOS or OSX - based on linux but tell me, how often do linux instuctions work for a Mac?
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No. Fruitcakes does NOT use LINUX ***AT ALL***. They use MACH. A *TOTALLY DIFFERENT* kernel.
"you can't add parts and use less power", the car industry would like you clarify that, along with the computer industry. 10 years ago how much energy did electronics use? Was the speed and power vs. power consumption ratio better than it is today? No? I'll try to give an example that hopefully explains why consumes less power.
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Those changes are NOT RELATED to adding cores, but making transistors SMALLER.
Pizza=data
People=processors
Time=heat and power consumption
1 person takes 20 minutes to eat 1 whole pizza while 4 people take only 5 minutes. That one person is going to have to work harder and longer in order to complete the same task as the 4 people. That will use more energy and generate much more heat. Heat, as we know, causes processors to become less efficient which means more energy is wasted at the higher clock cycles and less information processed per cycle.
It's not a very technical explanation of why a true multi-core system uses less power but it will have to do. Maybe ask NVidia too since they stated the Tegra processors are more power efficient.
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You have come up with a whole lot of nonsense that has ABSOLUTELY NO relation to multiple cores.
Energy consumption is related to CPU TIME.
You take a program that takes 10 minutes of CPU time to execute on a single-core 3GHz processor, split it between TWO otherwise identical cores operating at the SAME FREQUENCY, add in some overhead to split it between two cores, and you have 6 minutes of CPU time on TWO cores, which is 20% *MORE* energy consumed on a dual-core processor.
And you want to know what NVIDIA will say about their bloatchips? It uses less power than *THEIR* older hardware because it has **SMALLER TRANSISTORS** that require less energy.
Don't quite your day job, computer engineering is NOT YOUR FORTE.

dhkr234 said:
Show me ***ONE*** supercomputer that runs wondoze. I DARE YOU! They don't exist!
??? No, being LINUX and GNU/LINUX are not the same. ANDROID ***IS*** LINUX, but not GNU/LINUX. The kernel is the kernel. The modifications? Have nothing to do with ANYTHING this thread touches on. The kernel is FAR too complex for Android to have caused any drastic changes.
No. Fruitcakes does NOT use LINUX ***AT ALL***. They use MACH. A *TOTALLY DIFFERENT* kernel.
Those changes are NOT RELATED to adding cores, but making transistors SMALLER.
You have come up with a whole lot of nonsense that has ABSOLUTELY NO relation to multiple cores.
Energy consumption is related to CPU TIME.
You take a program that takes 10 minutes of CPU time to execute on a single-core 3GHz processor, split it between TWO otherwise identical cores operating at the SAME FREQUENCY, add in some overhead to split it between two cores, and you have 6 minutes of CPU time on TWO cores, which is 20% *MORE* energy consumed on a dual-core processor.
And you want to know what NVIDIA will say about their bloatchips? It uses less power than *THEIR* older hardware because it has **SMALLER TRANSISTORS** that require less energy.
Don't quite your day job, computer engineering is NOT YOUR FORTE.
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If you think that its just a gimmick or trend then why does every laptop manufacturer use dual core or more and have better battery life than the old single core? Sometimes trends do have more use than aesthetic appeal. Your know-it-all approach is nothing new around here and you're not the only person who works in IT around. Theories are one thing but without any proof when ALL current tech says otherwise... makes you sound like a idiot. Sorry...

I bet I can pee further
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zaelia said:
I bet I can pee further
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The smaller ones usually can, I think it has to do with the urethra being more narrow as to allow a tighter, further shooting stream.
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TJBunch1228 said:
The smaller ones usually can, I think it has to do with the urethra being more narrow as to allow a tighter, further shooting stream.
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Well, you would know

sino8r said:
Well, you would know
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It might be short but it sure is skinny.
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sino8r said:
If you think that its just a gimmick or trend then why does every laptop manufacturer use dual core or more and have better battery life than the old single core? Sometimes trends do have more use than aesthetic appeal. Your know-it-all approach is nothing new around here and you're not the only person who works in IT around. Theories are one thing but without any proof when ALL current tech says otherwise... makes you sound like a idiot. Sorry...
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I was comparing speeds on the Atrix compared to the [email protected] and they matched. The Atrix was much more efficient on heat and probably with battery. The dual cores will use less power because the two cores will be better optimized for splitting the tasks and will use half the power running the same process as the single core because the single core runs at the same voltages for a single core compared to splitting it between two. Let's not start a flame war and make personal attacks on people
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It is disturbing that there are people out there who can't understand this VERY BASIC engineering.
Voltage, by itself, has NO MEANING. You are forgetting about CURRENT. POWER = CURRENT x VOLTAGE.
Battery drain is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to POWER. Not voltage. Double the voltage and half the current, power remains the same.
Dual core does NOT increase battery life. It increases PERFORMANCE by ***DOUBLING*** the physical processing units.
Battery life is increased through MINIATURIZATION and SIMPLIFICATION, which becomes *EXTREMELY* important as you increase the number of physical processing units.
It is the epitome of IGNORANCE to assume that there is some relation when there is not. The use of multiple cores relates to hard physical limitations of the silicon. You can't run the silicon at 18 GHz! Instead of racing for higher frequencies, the new competition is about how much work you can do with the SAME frequency, and the ***EASIEST*** way to do this is to bolt on more cores!
For arguments sake, take a look at a couple of processors;
Athlon II X2 240e / C3.... 45 watt TDP, 45 nm
Athlon II X4 630 / C3.... 95 watt TDP, 45 nm
Same stepping, same frequency (2.8 GHz), same voltage, same size, and the one with twice the cores eats more than twice the power. Wow, imagine that!
The X4 is, of course, FASTER, but not by double.
Now lets look at another pair of processors;
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ / E6.... 89 watt TDP, 90 nm
Athlon II X2 270u / C3.... 25 watt TDP, 45 nm
Different stepping, SAME frequency (2.0 GHz), same number of cores, different voltage, different SIZE, WAY different power consumption. JUST LOOK how much more power the older chip eats!!! 3.56 times as much. Also note that other power management features exist on the C3 that didn't exist on the E6, so the difference in MINIMUM power consumption is much greater.
Conclusion: There is no correlation between a reduction in power consumption and an increase in the number of PPUs. More PPUs = more performance. Reduction in power consumption is related to size, voltage, and other characteristics.

dhkr234 said:
Don't quite your day job, computer engineering is NOT YOUR FORTE.
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Good job on being a douche. I didn't insult you in anything I said and if you disagree over my perspective then state it otherwise shut up. I didn't tell you english grammar isn't your forte so maybe you should keep your senile remarks to yourself.
You seem to want to argue over a few technicalities and I'll admit, I don't have a PhD in computer engineering but then again I doubt you do either. For the average person to begin to understand the inner-workings of a computer requires you to set aside the technical details and generalize everything. When they read about a Mac, they will see the word Unix which also happens to appear in things written about Linux and would inevitably make a connection about both being based off of the same thing (which they are). In that sense, I'm correct - you're wrong. The average person doesn't differentiate between 'is' and 'based off', most people take them in the same context.
So I may be wrong in some things when you get technical but when you're talking to the average person that thinks the higher the CPU core clock is = the better the processor, you end up being wrong because they won't give a damn about the FSB or anything else. Also, when you start flaming people and jumping them over insignificant things you come off as a complete douche. If I'm wrong on something then tactfully and politely correct me - don't try to act like excerebrose know-it-all. Let's not even mention completely going off track about about Windoze, servers aren't the only things that have multi-core processors.
I'm sure you'll try to multi-quote me with a slew of unintelligent looking, lame comebacks and corrections but in the end you'll just prove my point about the type of person you are. ****The End****

KCRic said:
Good job on being a douche. I didn't insult you in anything I said and if you disagree over my perspective then state it otherwise shut up. I didn't tell you english grammar isn't your forte so maybe you should keep your senile remarks to yourself.
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Agreeing or disagreeing is pointless when discussing FACTS. Perspective has nothing to do with FACTS. You can think whatever you like, but it doesn't make you right.
You seem to want to argue over a few technicalities and I'll admit, I don't have a PhD in computer engineering but then again I doubt you do either.
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Common mistake, assuming that everybody is the same as you. Try not to make that assumption again.
For the average person to begin to understand the inner-workings of a computer requires you to set aside the technical details and generalize everything.
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Generalizations lead to inaccuracies. You do not teach by generalizing, you teach by starting from the bottom and building a foundation of knowledge. Rene Descartes (aka Renatus Cartesius, as in Cartesian geometric system, as in the father of analytical geometry) said that the foundation of all knowledge is that doubting one's own existence is itself proof that there is someone to doubt it -- "Cogito Ergo Sum" -- "I think therefore I am". Everything must begin with this.
When they read about a Mac, they will see the word Unix which also happens to appear in things written about Linux and would inevitably make a connection about both being based off of the same thing (which they are). In that sense, I'm correct - you're wrong. The average person doesn't differentiate between 'is' and 'based off', most people take them in the same context.
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... and need to be CORRECTED for it. The two kernels (the only components relevant to this discussion) are completely different! MACH is a MICRO kernel, Linux is a MONOLITHIC kernel. Superficial characteristics (which are OUTSIDE of the kernel) be damned, they are NOT the same thing and thinking that they are is invalid. The average person is irrelevant, FACTS are FACTS.
So I may be wrong in some things when you get technical but when you're talking to the average person that thinks the higher the CPU core clock is = the better the processor, you end up being wrong because they won't give a damn about the FSB or anything else.
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So are you trying to tell me that IGNORANCE is BLISS? Because "giving a damn" or not has NO BEARING on reality. The sky is blue. You think that its purple and don't give a damn, does that make it purple? No, it does not.
Also, when you start flaming people and jumping them over insignificant things you come off as a complete douche. If I'm wrong on something then tactfully and politely correct me - don't try to act like excerebrose know-it-all. Let's not even mention completely going off track about about Windoze, servers aren't the only things that have multi-core processors.
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Right, servers AREN'T the only thing running multi-core processors, but did you not read where I SPECIFICALLY said **SERVERS**? Wondoze is off track and UNRELATED. I brought up servers because THEY USE THE SAME KERNEL AS ANDROID. If a supercomputer uses Linux, do you not agree that Linux is CLEARLY capable of multiprocessing well enough to meet the needs of a simple phone?
I'm sure you'll try to multi-quote me with a slew of unintelligent looking, lame comebacks and corrections but in the end you'll just prove my point about the type of person you are. ****The End****
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... perfectionist, intelligent, PATIENT in dealing with ignorance. And understand that ignorance is not an insult when it is true, and contrary to common "belief", does NOT mean stupid. Learn the facts and you will cease to be ignorant of them.

So hopefully this train can be put back on the tracks...
From what I am understanding from more technical minded individuals, Dual Core should help with battery life because it requires less power to run the same things as single core. It can then probably be extrapolated that when pushed, Dual Core will be able to go well above and beyond its Single Core brethren in terms of processing power.
For now, it appears the only obvious benefit will be increased battery life and less drain on the processor due to overworking. Hopefully in the near future more CPU and GPU intensive processes are introduced to the market which will fully utilize the Dual Core's potential in the smartphone world. Thanks for all the insight.
dhkr234 - *slaps air high-five*

If HTC no longer focuses on battery life in their official roms, how would you react?

I dont start Polls every but I think that this one is important because why would HTC not release new official firmwares in the near and distant future that improves battery life?
I really don't know if this is a joke or if its fact, see thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1610951
Another link: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...pdate-coming-to-improve-one-x-battery-1076825
I really will be surpised if people dont react to this, how would you react? Would you not at the very least send them a long pissed of email?
For some this is perhaps nothing, but I think battery life is the most important thing and is it not obvious why?
(THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)

I think you're getting the wrong idea from the HTC statement. It isn't that they're not going to focus on battery life but more that the current One X battery life is how it should be. There isn't a quick fix available by moving the now known to be useless nVidia app into the correct directory. As the article states, they've already done some fixes to the screen autobrightness which should help with battery life and the flickering.
This is just a PR exercise for them to minimise the outrage and misunderstanding about that specific nVidia app. They're still a manufacturer who makes battery powered devices i.e. phones so they're still going to be concerned about battery life.

Tiersten said:
I think you're getting the wrong idea from the HTC statement. It isn't that they're not going to focus on battery life but more that the current One X battery life is how it should be. There isn't a quick fix available by moving the now known to be useless nVidia app into the correct directory.
This is just a PR exercise for them to minimise the outrage and misunderstanding about that specific nVidia app.
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I have a hard time accepting that this is what the battery life SHOULD be, because the 1X houses the Tegra 3 which is suppose to be the big game changer and reaaaaaally make the battery last. I am fine with my 1X but I cant believe that this is the way the battery life will be forever. I mean look at my Samsung Galaxy S2 it can go 3 DAYS strong before it dies (Amoled bla bla) this is where Tegra 3 comes in and the 1800mah battery.
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Nice poll options, could only have been better if you had added (pick this one) and (don't pick this one)...
Useless...

HTC-Gunge said:
Nice poll options, could only have been better if you had added (pick this one) and (don't pick this one)...
Useless...
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Why not give me some pointers instead of just saying some **** and then useless?
I wrote that I dont normally start polls.
I just wrote whatever but options are pretty clear aren't they?
Besides if you cant contribute to the issue at hand then you shouldn't write anything you are just flaming.

Johnny0906 said:
I have a hard time accepting that this is what the battery life SHOULD be, because the 1X houses the Tegra 3 which is suppose to be the big game changer and reaaaaaally make the battery last. I am fine with my 1X but I cant believe that this is the way the battery life will be forever. I mean look at my Samsung Galaxy S2 it can go 3 DAYS strong before it dies (Amoled bla bla) this is where Tegra 3 comes in and the 1800mah battery.
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The Tegra CPU does have that extra low speed low power core but the problem with the One X battery is when you're actually actively using it. During those times, the CPU will most likely have the other 4 cores running and the power hungry LCD + backlight will also be on. If I'm not really using the One X then the battery is great but thats because it is mostly asleep running on that low power core. If I'm playing a game then the battery drains alarmingly quickly.
Before you claim that I'm just following HTC blindly, I would like to state that I would appreciate better battery life as the One X isn't amazing in that regard. I just don't think that HTC are going to completely ignore battery life in their firmware as you originally stated. They'll do what they can but there isn't a 20% increase hiding in there just by moving that specific nVidia app. There might be gains in there from altering the voltages or frequency scaling.
One thing which HTC have stated and does directly affect the One X along with its battery life is that they did studies where consumers preferred a thin phone. This puts massive restrictions on what battery you can use and whether it is removeable. I'm not sure the value of the studies they did since everybody is going to say that they want a thin phone.

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The Tegra CPU does have that extra low speed low power core but the problem with the One X battery is when you're actually actively using it. During those times, the CPU will most likely have the other 4 cores running and the power hungry LCD + backlight will also be on. If I'm not really using the One X then the battery is great but thats because it is mostly asleep running on that low power core. If I'm playing a game then the battery drains alarmingly quickly.
Before you claim that I'm just following HTC blindly, I would like to state that I would appreciate better battery life as the One X isn't amazing in that regard. I just don't think that HTC are going to completely ignore battery life in their firmware as you originally stated. They'll do what they can but there isn't a 20% increase hiding in there just by moving that specific nVidia app. There might be gains in there from altering the voltages or frequency scaling.
One thing which HTC have stated and does directly affect the One X along with its battery life is that they did studies where consumers preferred a thin phone. This puts massive restrictions on what battery you can use and whether it is removeable. I'm not sure the value of the studies they did since everybody is going to say that they want a thin phone.
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See this is not what im saying that some of us follow HTC blindly, what I meant is exactly what I wrote, 'if you knew this to be as a fact' how would you react?
Cheers.

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See this is not what im saying that some of us follow HTC blindly, what I meant is exactly what I wrote, 'if you knew this to be as a fact' how would you react?
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Ahh. Sorry! Misunderstood you there. If HTC did say that they're not going to focus on battery life then I'd just switch to a custom ROM and possibly ponder never buying another HTC phone again.

Tiersten said:
Ahh. Sorry! Misunderstood you there. If HTC did say that they're not going to focus on battery life then I'd just switch to a custom ROM and possibly ponder never buying another HTC phone again.
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The mistake is mine, like I stated I never start polls, and it not meant to be hostile I mean what would the point be in that? Attacking ourselves? hehe.
I just believe that the battery could improve ALOT if given proper attention, another thing is the camera, I dont understand why the pictures are never larger than 3 MB?
Maybe I should write it in the OP that this is not a hate Poll, its more a customer satisfaction Poll.
I mean the clients are the most important in the end.
HTC did a good job on the phone physically but I think most people can agree that they were surprised by the power consumption in the units.
The Asus Prime also houses the Tegra 3, and it has 3 power control options, maybe HTC should implement such a feature.
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When DHD came out, the battery life wasn't the best, cos of its monstrous screen , anyway, customs roms improved the battery life a lot and I think they will improve one x:s battery life as well, but it would be a bad move from HTC to officially announce that they are not doing anything about their flagship phone's battery life
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When DHD came out, the battery life wasn't the best, cos of its monstrous screen , anyway, customs roms improved the battery life a lot and I think they will improve one x:s battery life as well, but it would be a bad move from HTC to officially announce that they are not doing anything about their flagship phone's battery life
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Thank you for your positive input!
Cheers!

Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.

Meltus said:
Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
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Ridicule it as much as you want it is not a Poll for your 'my battery is fine'.
I also feel that my battery is FINE but it is fine RIGHT NOW. And if I would know that it will not improve then I would get very upset.
Im sure the SGII has a bumpy ride before getting a nice battery life based on software improvements.

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Ridicule it as much as you want it is not a Poll for your 'my battery is fine'.
I also feel that my battery is FINE but it is fine RIGHT NOW. And if I would know that it will not improve then I would get very upset.
Im sure the SGII has a bumpy ride before getting a nice battery life based on software improvements.
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No, it's not, it's a poll for "If HTC no longer focuses on battery life in their official roms, how would you react?".
How would I react? I honestly couldn't care less, but the option for that is stupid and insulting. You're essentially implying that anyone who doesn't care that HTC is no longer focusing on battery life is a "sheep" and cannot think for themselves.

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No, it's not, it's a poll for "If HTC no longer focuses on battery life in their official roms, how would you react?".
How would I react? I honestly couldn't care less, but the option for that is stupid and insulting. You're essentially implying that anyone who doesn't care that HTC is no longer focusing on battery life is a "sheep" and cannot think for themselves.
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I will repeat it again and again if I have to, look since the sheep thing upsets people then I would change it to 'indifferent' because thats what it is implying and if you dont want to answer then dont, its more to see what people think about the whole battery issue not YOUR personal self-insulting issues or whatever you have going on.
I also wrote in the beginning that I never start Poll and yes I am abit of a crude person but thats just me.
I also added this : (THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
And if I may say I really cant believe that you couldnt care less if the updates didnt improve the battery, I think you belong in the less than 99.9% group who do not want the updates to include battery enhancements or performance, and again about your sheep-complex its something you have to sort out im sorry im no psychiatrist.
Cheers!!!

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Where's the "Do nothing because the battery life is fine for me"? I would vote for the top one but unfortunately I don't like to be insulted. This is going to yield VERY inaccurate results.
What a ridiculous poll.
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Why would it yield innacurate results? Im sorry but I have to ask.
Because of the sheep things? I think strong minded people dont care about stuff like that.
And again I think 99.9% of the One X owners would like to see updates that improves battery life asides from other stuff.
You're one wierd little one...

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I will repeat it again and again if I have to, look since the sheep thing upsets people then I would change it to 'indifferent' because thats what it is implying and if you dont want to answer then dont, its more to see what people think about the whole battery issue not YOUR personal self-insulting issues or whatever you have going on.
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You didn't read my last post at all did you?
'Sheep' doesn't upset me. It's not even the fact you typed those 4 letters that makes me think this poll is stupid, it's the fact that by using the options you have done (including an insulting term in the counter option to what you believe) you're pretty much 'forcing' people to agree with you. You're not going to get accurate results with this poll (y'know, completely defeating the whole point of it).
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I also added this : (THIS POLL WAS NOT MEANT TO MAKE PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN FINGERS, IT WAS MEANT TO SIMPLY PUT PEOPLE'S OPINIONS TOGETHER AND MAYBE BE NOTICED BY HTC, WHO KNOWS?)
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...what?
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And if I may say I really cant believe that you couldnt care less if the updates didnt improve the battery, I think you belong in the less than 99.9% group who do not want the updates to include battery enhancements or performance, and again about your sheep-complex its something you have to sort out im sorry im no psychiatrist.
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I just don't care about battery life that much. It's fine, it does the job (Mine's currently at 60% after 7hours and 24minutes on battery).
Not sure about my "sheep-complex", as you so eloquently put it, but someone who flips out and argues with random people simply because someone disagreed with their point of view must have some sort of god-complex.
That can't be healthy.
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Why would it yield innacurate results? Im sorry but I have to ask.
Because of the sheep things? I think strong minded people dont care about stuff like that.
And again I think 99.9% of the One X owners would like to see updates that improves battery life asides from other stuff.
You're one wierd little one...
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Haha, I'm a bizarre person, I wont lie!
And no, strong minded people wont care, but they probably wont vote.
I think the 161 views and only 4 votes speaks for itself, don't you?

I think that they will be working on codes to optimize battery-life..
Read here from Engadget's article:
We also discussed battery life and competing phones that come with physically larger batteries (especially the Droid Razr Maxx), but Vice President of Phone Strategy Bjorn Kilburn claims that for most customers going into the shops, power consumption is not on the top of their lists. In fact, HTC claimed it tested a large battery concept with selected customers and carriers last year, but it didn't sell.
It turns out people just prefer thinner phones (or at least initially they do), and therefore HTC chose to take a holistic approach to improving battery life through power management optimization, choice of power density, choice of voltage and many more.
HTC's preference to wired charging over the comparatively slower wireless charging also helps reduce phone downtime, of course.
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Read here from Engadget's article:
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I just read thru the article fast.
I really hope they focus on battery improvments.
Me and some other people were discussing on a thread if it could be possible to change the 1800 battery to a maybe 2000? that is more or less the same size and if its not too much of a difference in size then maybe even a 2200.
If you notice on the back of the 1X the poly-body is 'soft' if you press it abit, and also opening didnt seem TOO difficult.
But first think is to find the correct battery model but stronger and go from there.
Another possible scenario could be to make use of those 5 pins on the back. But at least for me its unclear about what they exactly do or will do, of course a Dock comes to mind but will it get charged via those pins?
In that case you could have a cover with an extra battery or something
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So if you knew this to be a fact, how would you react?
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Well, since it's not a fact I'm not going to react at all. How you got that HTC's abandoning focusing on battery life out of this is beyond me. If their phones suddenly become known as the worst of all manufacturers for battery life they may as well shut down now. It's a competitive industry and their battery life needs to be competitive also. They're not idiots.
This week, at its Frequencies blogger event, HTC said it was looking at ways to prolong battery life without adding more bulk to the phone itself. Speaking to bloggers in Seattle, HTC's vice president of phone strategy Bjorn Kilburn said that the company had rejected models with huge 3000mAh batteries because they were too thick. PCMag reports that Kilburn said research indicated customers wanted a phone between 8mm and 10mm thick and that customers weren't happy to buy a phone any bigger than that.
"We experimented with putting in a lot more battery, making the device thicker, but consumers don't want to buy it," Kilburn said. "So we spent a lot of time finding other ways [to maximize battery life] than the brute force approach."
HTC is now trying to find ways to improve battery life without whacking a great big battery in the phone and calling it a day. Kilburn highlighted the HTC One X's LCD 2 display, which he says is less power hungry than an AMOLED display as an example of the company's efforts.

Pixel SD821 is essentially a SD820

Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.

Most customers are checking the chip model? I think not!
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.

+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.

This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?

Most likely both versions of the 821's are just high binned 820's. When they fab chips on a wafer the ones closest to the middle generally can hit higher clocks with lower power. So they probably have been holding back the best ones since the beginning and waiting until the fall to release them as the 821.

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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
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Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.

juliend said:
This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
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I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.

iceman4357 said:
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.

Blues-n-Blazin said:
I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
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Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.

The user experience is perfect for me. They got the speed and efficiency balance spot on.

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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.

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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.

All i know is my Pixel user experience is much better than my Note7. Speed feels on a whole different level. And battery seems much better.
But alot of that i think is samsungs junkware. It was always running like 20% cpu just being idle. Where i catch my pixel chillin at 0% alot of times
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juliend said:
Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
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Yeah waterproofing would've been awesome. The SPen is cool but I personally never used it. My finger works just fine and it would take me longer to pull the pen out and I don't do any note taking. I didn't have the note 7 though so I am ignorant on some of the SPen features it had. I really want to get my hands on a Pixel XL and see how Google did first hand. I personally hate Apple as a company and was hoping the Pixel would get some of the ignorant iPhone users to switch to Android. Most will just keep blindly buying Apple though. I think Daydream VR could possibly be flashy enough for them to consider switching though.

Blues-n-Blazin said:
I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
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To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????

Xt51 said:
To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
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Obviously you meant to say, "To me personally this phone does NOT miss a beat."
Not worried about general performance, I knew that would be fantastic regardless of the SD821 they chose. I mean Google coded the Pixel end to end and regardless of which version of the CPU they decided to use, it was going to run butter no matter what. Just to me, when your battery is already leaving you wonder if you will ever need to charge it again, then 10% performance gain is more valuable to me than 5% battery. To some, that 5% battery might be better if they will never game. For me, I want to put VR games on it that will push it to its limits. I just wish they would've come out with two versions and given the consumer the choice. I really wanted to be first in line for updates, but it's okay I love my phone.
Have any of you tried out Daydream VR yet?

Eh....phone is butter....battery is butter...don't give a hoot about 0.1 of a clock speed difference....don't care about benchmarks...don't care if the phone does happen to jank on a game because more than likely it'll be a poorly coded one. Remember, not all stuttering is because of a phone's specs. Sometimes people just suck at coding.

Trust me that 10% difference will never be noticeable in real life usage.
If you never used a custom ROM that performs better then stock? PureNexus everrytime performs better on the Nexus phones. The developer will also release a Pixel rom, PurePixel?
You can always get that extra performance with a little modding.
No reason not to use the custom rom. More features then stock, performs better in speed, battery life and is updated with security updates.
Only reason I have not bought the Pixel yet is because first thing I will do is unlock bootloader. Install TWRP and custom rom. That's not available yet.

Blues-n-Blazin said:
Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
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Blues-n-Blazin said:
Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
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Who wants a fast car without gas?
The one the timed his nos boost wins. Check Fast n Furious..

Question Micro lags / jitters

These micro lags makes the phones processor feel like it's from 2018, can't scroll through anything without having all these micro lags and jitters, same with light gaming, I don't think this processer can handle to much?
If the next update doesn't fix these issues then I don't think they will be fixed?

I haven't had this problem in the last two months I've been using the phone. My wife hasn't complained about her games - I generally don't game very much.

Have never once felt a jitter or lag.....not once. For me this phone has been a pleasure to use. I rooted right out of the box and have since done an update and switched to another rom without a hitch really. except one hiccup i was having with a bootloop. Which proved to be me not disabling mods before the flash. I absolutely love this phone. I am not seeing any of the issues that people are reporting. I also believe that a LOT of reports are bogus. ( Not saying that this is the case here).

I think these "jitters/lag" you are experiencing are due to the framerate getting locked to 60hz. This happens with mine ever day or two. After a reboot it will be smooth. My guess is there is a "bug" from an app or something causing the framerate to lock at 60hz, rather than the 120hz. I haven't quite figured out how to resolve, other than a reboot. It is quite annoying, and I am hoping a future update (if we ever get one!) will fix it.

I've noticed lag when typing. I do use gboard as most of the people do. I do type with two languages activated. Every now and then the phone lags for about a second.
I thought google had already acknowledge that the phone does lag when the battery percentage drops.
Something about accessibility and animations as far as I remember.

Lol that's the first thing I noticed straight from a clean setup twice, Cod mobile is a jittery mess but perfectly fine on my OP 8 Pro and every time I swiped left for Google now it would jitter, Not all the time but it did do it frequently.

Cod mobile was jittery as hell for me as well. After the Dec update it is not jittery anymore but playing on it is really weird. I can't get used to it so i still play on my Poco x3

Mine studders for sure a few times a day for a few seconds. Factor reset didn't help. This phone feels like it's 8 years old with the stutters and the fingerprint reader that doesn't work.

Very smooth experience for me for gaming and all my everyday tasks.

Ady1976 said:
Lol that's the first thing I noticed straight from a clean setup twice, Cod mobile is a jittery mess but perfectly fine on my OP 8 Pro and every time I swiped left for Google now it would jitter, Not all the time but it did do it frequently.
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Yeah my OnePlus Nord gen1 runs far smoother than this phone lol, so weird, if it's not fixed by the next update then I'm selling it for galaxy s21 Fe 5g, SD 888

Ady1976 said:
Lol that's the first thing I noticed straight from a clean setup twice, Cod mobile is a jittery mess but perfectly fine on my OP 8 Pro and every time I swiped left for Google now it would jitter, Not all the time but it did do it frequently.
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Always gonna be a beta tester on this phone I think

clipdawg05 said:
Cod mobile was jittery as hell for me as well. After the Dec update it is not jittery anymore but playing on it is really weird. I can't get used to it so i still play on my Poco x3
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Yeah cod mobile is a jittery mess here on November software I can't play it all can't get used to it, I've ditched it for now and playing on my OP 8 Pro buttery smooth on 8 Pro.

kevinireland11 said:
Yeah my OnePlus Nord gen1 runs far smoother than this phone lol, so weird, if it's not fixed by the next update then I'm selling it for galaxy s21 Fe 5g, SD 888
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I think some people are in denial about this handset to be honest, Ok be thing I have learned over the years never trust the usual YouTubers they know who they are and are scripted.

kevinireland11 said:
Always gonna be a beta tester on this phone I think
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Well the fact they can't even roll an update out without bricking people's phones kind of says it all really, The software features this device is missing will never get added by Google never it's not in their nature they couldn't care less what the user thinks.
You have to check the Google forums to see most complaint threads have been locked by admins to give you an idea of how little **** they give.

choder said:
Mine studders for sure a few times a day for a few seconds. Factor reset didn't help. This phone feels like it's 8 years old with the stutters and the fingerprint reader that doesn't work.
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That's what it's doing here it's like the CPU or GPU is asleep then all of a sudden wakes up after It's too late lol

dmbfan13 said:
I think these "jitters/lag" you are experiencing are due to the framerate getting locked to 60hz. This happens with mine ever day or two. After a reboot it will be smooth. My guess is there is a "bug" from an app or something causing the framerate to lock at 60hz, rather than the 120hz. I haven't quite figured out how to resolve, other than a reboot. It is quite annoying, and I am hoping a future update (if we ever get one!) will fix it.
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That is another possibility and another reason why I hate Google phones they don't even have refresh rate locks just a "Smooth" option but still jitters.

Just found another bug lol try scrolling fast in opposite directions in messages it just freezes and gets confused and sits there like it can't understand fast opposite direction of scrolling lol, Amazing how these devices get released in these states really.

Ady1976 said:
Well the fact they can't even roll an update out without bricking people's phones kind of says it all really, The software features this device is missing will never get added by Google never it's not in their nature they couldn't care less what the user thinks.
You have to check the Google forums to see most complaint threads have been locked by admins to give you an idea of how little **** they give.
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I no and people dis oneui, Samsung have came such a long way to be honest, at least they're phones are smooth and the extra features that's on oneui is what the consumers asked for, even with all the added features it doesn't hinder battery life, yah can't even screen cast on this phone without a chrome cast, people say about a clean stock software but but what's the point, not like as if it's better battery and performance, I get better performance and battery out of my S20 Fe 5g

Ady1976 said:
Well the fact they can't even roll an update out without bricking people's phones kind of says it all really, The software features this device is missing will never get added by Google never it's not in their nature they couldn't care less what the user thinks.
You have to check the Google forums to see most complaint threads have been locked by admins to give you an idea of how little **** they give.
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They definitely didn't "brick" from the update. Do you know what "brick" means?

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can't scroll through anything without having all these micro lags and jitters
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If a scrollable list is implemented as a scrollview, data will be loaded into it dynamically, AS you scroll through it. Depending on the speed and latency of the data source (for example, loading over the network), and the complexity of generating each element, you may occasionally scroll beyond the loaded data, requiring an interruption that you might perceive as a "lag" or "jitter".
So really there can be two causes that do NOT imply a CPU performance issue; data source, and bad code. A competent programmer can load data from the network in a more effective manner and ensure that processing overhead is minimized, thus reducing the negative effects.
Unfortunately, with mobile, like web, competent programmers are like a drop of water in the ocean.

Best way to increase performance?

I really love this phone but it's getting old, I'm looking on how I can increase its performance.
I'm currently running LineageOS 19.1 and while perf is decent I want to know what else I can do before looking at getting another device.
I thought I could try overclocking so I rooted it but all the apps are showing normal max cpu frequency. I changed cpu governor to performance but according to Geekbench 5 the gains are minimal. Also I'm not a fan of root, it's too much hassle with SafetyNet etc, but if there is a way to make it faster I will see if I can live with root.
Or is there another kernel that I can try?
Thanks for all the suggestions.

It's probably close to it's maximum performance and an unstable SoC is an ugly thing...
Take out the trash. Apps that are constantly running in the background and aren't needed. No social media, shopping or banking apps should ever be installed. Apps using battery and bandwidth needlessly need to be dealt with. If the app is doing either it's also sucking up your cpu cycles and resources. Use a logging firewall to help spot habitual offenders.

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It's probably close to it's maximum performance and an unstable SoC is an ugly thing...
Take out the trash. Apps that are constantly running in the background and aren't needed. No social media, shopping or banking apps should ever be installed. Apps using battery and bandwidth needlessly need to be dealt with. If the app is doing either it's also sucking up your cpu cycles and resources. Use a logging firewall to help spot habitual offenders.
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Thanks, already done as much housekeeping as I could and I have minimum of what I need. Banking apps are among them since I don't like their web versions. I could start uninstalling what is not needed but there is a risk of removing something necessary and I don't want to spend too much time on it. LOS already comes without bloat. I'll do some more monitoring but as you said it's probably close to its max performance. Luckily it's not at the level of being unusable (yet), just slightly annoying, with things like keyboard taking those 3 seconds longer to load haha.

One thing that's really killing performance is the 3gb of ram. It has to constantly juggle that.
After using the N10+'s for years I'm sold on 12gb of ram or more. The additional ram impacts battery life little but provides real time performance increase and future proofing.
Not using scoped storage also aids performance. I still use Android 9 and 10 and will not upgrade either. They would take a performance and usability hit if I did. The performance of newer phones is dismal; it comes at a high power consumption cost, little real time performance increases and decreased functionality/usability. Those are some of the reasons I happily run 2 flagships that are over 3 yo with firmware that old as well.
Seems all Google and Samsung can do anymore is dropped balls. They excel at that now and at bs hype that I'm not buying... literally.

blackhawk said:
One thing that's really killing performance is the 3gb of ram. It has to constantly juggle that.
After using the N10+'s for years I'm sold on 12gb of ram or more. The additional ram impacts battery life little but provides real time performance increase and future proofing.
Not using scoped storage also aids performance. I still use Android 9 and 10 and will not upgrade either. They would take a performance and usability hit if I did. The performance of newer phones is dismal; it comes at a high power consumption cost, little real time performance increases and decreased functionality/usability. Those are some of the reasons I happily run 2 flagships that are over 3 yo with firmware that old as well.
Seems all Google and Samsung can do anymore is dropped balls. They excel at that now and at bs hype that I'm not buying... literally.
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Yeah, ram seems to be a bottleneck definitely. I tend to buy several years old devices and my budget is low, but I like to have the os up to date as much as possible. I was actually looking at OnePlus 5T with 8G ram. Another thing I like is small form fatcor. Anything larger than 6" seems too big for me. Hence I stick with my Xperia for now.

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Yeah, ram seems to be a bottleneck definitely. I tend to buy several years old devices and my budget is low, but I like to have the os up to date as much as possible. I was actually looking at OnePlus 5T with 8G ram. Another thing I like is small form fatcor. Anything larger than 6" seems too big for me. Hence I stick with my Xperia for now.
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Since my N10+'s effectively supersede my laptop the size is desirable for me. It's a relatively light phone and in a Bolt case it still has a reasonably slim profile so it doesn't seem that big. It has a lot of performance enhancing features/add ons including the spen. It's also great for watching vids, all in all a more than fair trade off for me.
However I can see it from your point of view. Form factor is an important consideration and if it will integrate effectively into your lifestyle. The S22U is bigger and 30gms heavier, blah! Then there's the hump back N20U