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iPhone 4.0 will have multitasking? WP7, you better have that as well

Just came:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...software_to_deliver_multitasking_support.html
Still not sure though ... but quite interesting.
If that is true, WP7 better to have it as well!

It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.

Yes, I know that, WP7 will have some sort of multitasking capability.
I just want to post news from other platform competitor (iPhone) so we can see that they are working on something ...
This year would be interesting on mobile world (WP7, iPhone 4, iPad?, HP Slate?).
krjcook said:
It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.
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Speaking of Tables, did you know that LG is supposedly making a WP7S tablet. I don't really care about that, but there are leaked videos of MS Courier which is the hottest thing I've ever seen. Also MS has some touch based OS called MS Locus. It's seens to be Webos, Android, and Iphone OS combined. Here's a pic
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krjcook said:
When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
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That's NOT multitasking

seed_al said:
That's NOT multitasking
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Please explain to me what multitasking is. It's a mobile device, what are you expecting multiple windows like you for A Full Blown Desktop OS? You can only view one app at a time. What kind of multitasking do you want? When you switch to another app, the app you were previously using pauses. If it was a IM, Web Browsing, Email or any other web based App it will continue to send information. It's the same if not similar multitasking that you see in Android.

Multitasking means that applications are actually running in the background.
On WP7S, they just save their sate and close or pause. That means they're not running = no multitasking.
(I might be wrong and maybe they are actually running, but everything currently hints that this is not the case and there's indeed no multitasking).
On Android, applications keep running. They just save their sate in case something goes wrong and they have to be closed (e.g. if the device runs out of RAM).

Yes, but is that a big difference? What does keeping an App open in the background benefit your anyway as long as it's readily available? It's not like that app is completely closes, it's just pauses to reduce it's footprint. When you go back it's immdiately available without any loading. Not like you see on the other fruity platform.

multi-tasking might not be really important from a normal user view---> i might be wrong....
however on a enterprise point of view, it is important. running ipblue at the background waiting for call or using office communicator at the background while checking out the email.

This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.

vangrieg said:
This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.
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true, believe in the near future, we will have more prominent answer.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rd3TD9g_Y
+ WP7 design and MS services
= perfect
(notice how elegantly it multitasks and how it also has tiles? It just looks ugly)

That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.

krjcook said:
That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.
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WM also has it if you install Task Facade. Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).

you can discuss forever it won't change anything. wait for the OS and see for yourselves.

freyberry said:
Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).
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That just shows your 6 recently launched apps, not nessecarily running though.

who gives a **** about the iphone ??? if uve handled a snapdragon phone , and after u get an iphone in ur hand , ur wipe ur ass with it and its ugly low res screen
its history , stop riding it

WP7 will be king
Iam very confident in windows phone7 and its ability to handle Xbox games and tasks. So confident that for WVGA devices like touchpro2 I made a demo of what it would be like and I put it here.

My best guess is that WP7 still uses windows CE as its code base and inherits multitasking support. Seems like multitasking is not a big deal though as WP7 moves away from the multiple application concept.

Although we have heard rumors that WP7S will have preemptive multitasking, if you think about it, the live tiles really defeat the purpose of multitasking.
Say you have a (multi-platform) twitter app.
In Android, you can leave this open and come back to it anytime and it will be up-to-date, but you don't receive any notification.
When using live tiles in WP7S, you can run your twitter app and then switch over to another app, and, although your twitter app will close, while your doing other things your app's live tile can be checking for updates periodically and even display the most recent tweet directed towards you on the homesreen. That way, when you go back to the homesreen, you can see that there's a new tweet, and launch the now-updated app.

Windows Phone 7 - Multitasking conecpt

Hi Guys,
hope i'm somehow right here and you are - more or less - interested in my concept/idea.
I didn't really know about this forum, but some guy in an other forum suggest i should post it here. Well... i do, don't know...
Anyway. Since the day i knew that WP7 wouldn't have any multitasking from the start, i was pretty sure how i would let it look like.
And a few days ago i saw the pictures of version 7753 with this search-button on the rightside and i realized, that MS could actually use that space.
So i decided that it would be time to visualize my thoughts, so here they are:
htt p://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5137/mulasking.png
Instead of the search-button i'd put a taskbar-icon at that place. Pressing the icon drops the actual taskbar with all running programms. By pressing an icon you can directly go into the programm/app, by pressing and holding the icon you can close it. And with the little up-showing arrow you can close the taskbar.
I also made the mail-hub a "wide-hub" (don't know how to call it...). First of all, i love those "wide-hubs", but it would also be nice, to see who wrote your latest recieved email and whats the topic is.
And last but not least i would like to split the zune-functions. I use the zune-hub basicly for listing to my music for example, so it would be nice, to sort out that function and create a music-tile on the homescreen. This could also work with videos, podcasts etc.
And... while i was in the mood i made some customization-concepts. I tried to keep all basic Metro-elemnts and just improve some things.
The transparancy is not knew, i know that it was introduced in an earlier conecpt by someone else, but it's a nice idea and i'd just love to see something like that. Of course it only make sense, if you can put pictures or at least gradients (like in the mentioned concept) on your homescreeb background.
htt p://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1870/custom.png
At last i thought about some all-over-themes, where you can't individually customize your UI, but use themes. For exempale i love the zune-look with, which is why i even made three different zune-themes.
htt p://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7904/themesl.png
C&C is of course appreciated... in any way.
And sorry if i'm totaly wrong here.

Buddy i can not see the pictures...It says to login to imageshack! Please Upload them somewhere else or you can upload them here.
Regards.

No. I'm a first-time-poster so i can't put outgoing links into my posts. At least as long as i havn't made 8 posts. ;-)
But i put a [space] between the htt_p. Thats why those links won't work with simple copy-paste. You just have to erase that little space there and the links will work.
At least they do it for me and i also have no imageshack-account. o.0

I can see the pictures okay. It makes good use of the blank space below the "next screen" arrow in WP7.
Maybe this is why Microsoft left the area blank The only thing I do not like is the way you did the close menu. I would do it like the OS has the menu system - bottom. It would also give you more options.

Can you give me wallpaper on the second slide?

wow! i think your concept of multitasking is fantastic! i really like the way it looks and its a very smart use of the space on the right of the home screen!

Looks really good! But what if you want to switch while being in an app?
I can see the wide eMail icon come really soon! Hopefully ;-)

Cyruss89 said:
Looks really good! But what if you want to switch while being in an app?
I can see the wide eMail icon come really soon! Hopefully ;-)
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Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.

TexUs said:
Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.
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well honestly i wouldn't have a problem with it. by the time multitasking comes out we will be so accustomed to returning to the home screen to do anything so it wouldn't be much of a hassle

TeNsTrKe15 said:
well honestly i wouldn't have a problem with it. by the time multitasking comes out we will be so accustomed to returning to the home screen to do anything so it wouldn't be much of a hassle
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This is just adding a second set of tiles to the homescreen. That's it. Unless there's some way to open that taskmanager up within any app- it's no different than what there currently exists.

TexUs said:
This is just adding a second set of tiles to the homescreen. That's it. Unless there's some way to open that taskmanager up within any app- it's no different than what there currently exists.
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yea i can see what you mean. opening the multitasking in an app would be nice. but it would not affect me to have to return to the home screen

Yeah, you're right. That was, was I was kinda missing.
But here is where the actual multitasking that MS showed before could come to work again. While you're in an app you press the back-button a litte bit longer. What than shows up could look like it does now in the "officel concept", or maybe like this...
htt p://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4185/multi2d.png
... just a quick idea.
I'll have a second thought about it.
And thanks for all the comments anyway. Made my at least think of something i obviously forgott.

TexUs said:
Ditto to your comment. I was wondering the same thing about switching within an app.
After all, having return to the home screen is what we CURRENTLY must do... There's no advantage in this unless you can call up the task manager from within any app.
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Agreed.
I like the minimalist use of that side space, but I'm not sure a multi-tasking menu there is any improvement over the Mango demos. However, it might be a decent space for a "recent app" history bar, a toggle-able notification menu (a la Android/WebOS), or something along those lines.

Thurgo.Ôd said:
Yeah, you're right. That was, was I was kinda missing.
But here where the actual multitasking that MS showed before would come to work again. While you're in an app you press the back-button a litte bit longer. What then shows up could look like it does now, or like this...
htt p://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4185/multi2d.png
... just a quick idea.
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i do have to say that is a fine idea. keeps all the tiles as the are on in the games area (like how if you enter multitasking on iOS the icons pop up with the same size as if they were on the main screen). so yea everything stays equal. both ideas are great! would be awesome to see microsoft impement one of them!

Very cool work! All of these are pretty realistic additions and I hope Microsoft eventually does something like this.

Your multitasking and customisation concepts look really good. I'd love to have multitasking like this.
After all, I would start the taskmanager by longpressing the Windows-button too.
Official concept says it will be longpressing the back-button but in my opinion you'll need the taskmanager more often than this useless voicecommand.

since ms is not yet done with their own concept of mt., i hope they are still open to other great suggestions such as this one. it maximizes the blank space on the right side, simple and neat. its a great concept. hope what they have presented in mwc will not be the final code for mt. they need to think of ways on how to simplify it and one good example is this one.
there are also pic in wmpoweruser about themes and transparent tiles
http://wmpoweruser.com/another-windows-phone-7-multi-tasking-concept/
good job on the concept.

Loved your ideas when I read them on WMPoweruser this morning (thumbs thanks to WMPoweruser). So here are some pics to help spread the good word:
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And here are OP's original links:
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http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1870/custom.png
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7904/themesl.png

HOLY ****! ;O
This is even better than I ever thought! Hey there, Microsoft, we are talking to you!
Pay attention on this. Seriously.

The multitasking concept is absolutely brilliant.
Fits to metro in a much nicer way than these webOS cards.

Cut features - What I miss in Windows Phone7.5 Mango that was in WP7

There are many, many (and more to come) new featurs in 7.5 and I love them all!
But I miss something in WP 7.5 (7.10.7712.60):
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Was nice when listening to long audiofiles. (also on lockscreen)
WP7___________________________________________________WP7.5
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The "search website" features is missing
3.
Please MS, let us change the reload icon/button to the tabs or favorites icon/button!
4.
The Imagequality when uploading from picture hub to Facebook is horrible now!
5.
The colors have been renamed. i.a. limettengrün to lindgrün.
Some (all?) of them (I noticed it on limettengrün/limegreen) are less colorful
Do U miss more features from WP7.5 that was in 7?
6.
Several Members: Transparent lockscreen wallpapers gone (IMO this isn't a cut feature, some of us just used a glitch...)
7.
jakelou said:
Editing (saving) old Word files (97-03) ... doesn't work anymore. -.-
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Whoa, and I thought the picture quality was horrible already in WP7 NoDo.
Hope its not worse, maybe just a bug that now appeared on your phone too?

Damn they removed that track timer in MANGO??? Thats so important.. no bar showing length?

I miss the old browser, don't really like how the new one is set up now
Sent from my HD7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Don't forget, they removed transparent wallpapers too. I was looking forward to this feature.

alexrodri0 said:
I miss the old browser, don't really like how the new one is set up now
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Why so?
I think the new placement of url etc is awesome.
What is it that is bad?

I don't think there'll be one single update,wp7 is too big a mess to solve in one swoop. Next year April probably we'll be smiling from ear to ear and sideloading apps we haven't even thought of. Until then its slim pickings,should have waited for the bloody Nokia.
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However as a Chinese user I have to upgrade to Mango to get the CHinese IME...

Dj21o said:
Don't forget, they removed transparent wallpapers too. I was looking forward to this feature.
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My current wallpaper is transparent..

Dj21o said:
Don't forget, they removed transparent wallpapers too. I was looking forward to this feature.
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I'm wondering if the transparent wallpaper "feature" was actually a bug that we just took advantage off. I noticed that the squares in various hubs, such as office and picture, no longer go transparent when I move from page to page like they did before mango.

Yeah I'm pretty sure wasn't a feature, it was more of a hack

Purple11 said:
My current wallpaper is transparent..
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Yeah man, they had to do something with Zune on the lockscreen, and it made it a huge mess. It's too bad, I did it to my friends focus and it looked beautiful. And I don't own a WP7 currently, so I will never get to enjoy it.
Maybe if we get a poll going, we could bring this to Microsoft's attention?

nizzon said:
Why so?
I think the new placement of url etc is awesome.
What is it that is bad?
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well i miss the favs button and the tabs button being on the screen, instead of having to use the menu, i honestly didnt mind the URL bar at the top, but whatever, I cant wait for the official Mango update to come out

Editing (saving) old Word files (97-03) ... doesn't work anymore. -.-

I have to agree about the browser. It's not a make or break problem for me, but is kind of annoying to have that extra step. I also wish they'd give IE a Forward/Back Button instead of using the hardware Back button. Would be nice for the URL to be on top & auto-hide, swipe down to show it in portrait & landscape. Make it thicker since it'd auto hide. Just my 2 cents on it.
Also, don't like them (MS) breaking homebrew native app (INTEROPSERVICES). That is a big deal for me. That's the main reason I'm not using the Beta2. The new features are nice, but the lack of homebrew kills it for me.

Dj21o said:
Yeah man, they had to do something with Zune on the lockscreen, and it made it a huge mess. It's too bad, I did it to my friends focus and it looked beautiful. And I don't own a WP7 currently, so I will never get to enjoy it.
Maybe if we get a poll going, we could bring this to Microsoft's attention?
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https://windowsphone7community.uservoice.com/forums/84435-feature-feedback
If you put it up there, i'll vote for it.

Quick little template of my idea, not perfect, but you get the point.
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hardcoreplur said:
https://windowsphone7community.uservoice.com/forums/84435-feature-feedback
If you put it up there, i'll vote for it.
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Going on my laptop as we speak.

Ok I put it under "personalize" and the title is "Transparent Lockscreen (Wallpapers)". Vote for it if you missed this feature!!!
https://windowsphone7community.uservoice.com/forums/84435-feature-feedback/suggestions/2107533-transparent-lockscreen-wallpapers-

drkfngthdragnlrd said:
Quick little template of my idea, not perfect, but you get the point.
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/drkfngthdragnlrd/IE9Idea.png?t=1312429620
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pretty nice concept, that would be a perfect setup

A strange feature in wp7 mango

In mango, if I use back button to reopen a app(mango supported), there is no annoying resuming, and it is pretty good. But if I try to reopen that app through app list or live tiles or toast notification, the app will be restart as though it has never been opened.
It's very inconvenient especially when I use a IM client. Why MS makes it like this???

Because it takes that as a relaunch which is convenient on most apps aside from games. However, it seems like you may not have found the task switcher (just assuming) if you hold the back button it pulls your 5 most recent tasks and allows for a resume.

The OP very clearly stated that the app switcher works fine. But if IM+ is already loaded and available in the app switcher, and you get an IM+ toast, wouldn't it make sense to just switch to the open instance of IM+, rather than killing that instance and reloading from scratch (which can take 20-30 seconds)?

z33dev33l said:
Because it takes that as a relaunch which is convenient on most apps aside from games. However, it seems like you may not have found the task switcher (just assuming) if you hold the back button it pulls your 5 most recent tasks and allows for a resume.
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This doesn't work with resuming Netflix. It just restarts

dimamarcel said:
This doesn't work with resuming Netflix. It just restarts
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Thats because the Netflix app is not yet updated to Windows Phone 7.5 aka Mango.
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RoboDad said:
The OP very clearly stated that the app switcher works fine. But if IM+ is already loaded and available in the app switcher, and you get an IM+ toast, wouldn't it make sense to just switch to the open instance of IM+, rather than killing that instance and reloading from scratch (which can take 20-30 seconds)?
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It is an annoying feature of the way the OS works for sure. I have also noticed with IM+ (I think, might have been gchat) that if I get a toast and I am in mid-conversation, pressing back to fast resume doesn't always add the last message from the other person to the chat even though I have had the notification for it.
This is really something that app developers should be allowed to control, some sort of "reuse previously running instance" switch.

z33dev33l said:
Because it takes that as a relaunch which is convenient on most apps aside from games. However, it seems like you may not have found the task switcher (just assuming) if you hold the back button it pulls your 5 most recent tasks and allows for a resume.
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I know the 'task switcher', but when i receve a toast notification and click it, just relaunch the app takes long.Since the app is in the task switcher, why not resume it directly.

RoboDad said:
The OP very clearly stated that the app switcher works fine. But if IM+ is already loaded and available in the app switcher, and you get an IM+ toast, wouldn't it make sense to just switch to the open instance of IM+, rather than killing that instance and reloading from scratch (which can take 20-30 seconds)?
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yes, this is exactly what i want to say.

I think the problem is in IM+. that app always takes forever to load and I don't think it supports mango

pillsburydoughman said:
I think the problem is in IM+. that app always takes forever to load and I don't think it supports mango
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Nop. It's not.
For some stupid reason WP7 doesnt support multitask for third apps. Not even resume the instance.
If you want to resume the instance, you hold the back button and choose from the lame switcher. It takes so long that it is almost better to just re open the app.
Because it's so much clever you force the user to reopen the app every time he needs it instead of including a way to force close when it needs (like, I dont know, holding the card in the fast switch?). Just like iOS/Android does.
When you resume, you have to wait another 3~4 seconds to see the message.
I tested gchat and beejive for iPhone at the same time. Sent one message, opened from each toast notification (iOS 5). iPhone is about 6 seconds faster to display your message. Now take that to a conversation. Oh, you can use fast switch, yes. So its not 6 seconds, its 'just' 4 seconds faster to EACH message.
Mango didnt saved WP7. Not for me. It just killed all my hopes. Maybe Tango/Apollo?
I'm just waiting to iPhone 4S comes to my country to say bye to my WP7. Which is bad, because I love WP7, dont like iPhone, but hate Androids. Right now WP7 just get me frustated, so my next option is iOS ;/

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I think the problem is in IM+. that app always takes forever to load and I don't think it supports mango
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exactly, IM+ is not updated to supports mango feature
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The next version of Ziggy is going to make the old one look like dirt

http://www.wpcentral.com/ask-ziggy-temporarily-busted-major-overhaul-horizon-exclusive-first-pics
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look really good then.
Time to do some Apple Siri-Comparing!

Just Downloaded v1 from the marketplace out of curiosity. Definately needs some help with accuracy lol

I like positive news and this is positive, WP needs to keep up the good work and listen to what we want and need, if they do then I can see them reaching their goals in 2015 but if the don't then, well... it's not good and you all know how I feel about that so I'll spare you my complaining.

The new update looks awesome..cant wait for it..And the best part is that it is totally free!

Symondo said:
Just Downloaded v1 from the marketplace out of curiosity. Definately needs some help with accuracy lol
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Agreed, I read some where that the dev of this app has actually been trying to get Ziggy to do more but you know MS and their damned restricted API's. I'n my opinion they need to hire this guy.

The screenshots look cool. I may dl it again.
I tried it before, and 90% of the time the response was just "would you like to do a websearch for that" or whatever it says.
I could save myself time and a couple steps by just voice-searching Bing.

sure haven't said:
The screenshots look cool. I may dl it again.
I tried it before, and 90% of the time the response was just "would you like to do a websearch for that" or whatever it says.
I could save myself time and a couple steps by just voice-searching Bing.
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I know I hardly use it my self, I'll use it from time to time to entertain my self for a few laughs but it's great to see it evolve. You have to give it to the dev of the app; he has to improve it even with the MS restrictions.

I really don't like it when developers use a panorama design and put "Settings" as a screen to swipe to. They really should put the settings in the app bar. If he only wants the microphone icon in the app bar then add the settings to the "more" 2 dots part.
Otherwise I'm looking forward to this update!

sayonical said:
I really don't like it when developers use a panorama design and put "Settings" as a screen to swipe to. They really should put the settings in the app bar. If he only wants the microphone icon in the app bar then add the settings to the "more" 2 dots part.
Otherwise I'm looking forward to this update!
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LOL, I think he did it that way because people asked him to make it more metrofied.

Much better design and definitely if Microsoft know what they doing, they would hire this dude. These are people that are ready to dedicate their full time to Windows Phone.

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LOL, I think he did it that way because people asked him to make it more metrofied.
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Then he should look closely at how MS design their panorama apps. Settings are always in the app bar in People hub, messaging, xbox live hub, calender etc
Generally when a user swipes along a panoramic screen its to see more content. Settings isn't more content. Most users don't even fiddle with it each time they launch the app unless they need to change something, so therefore dedicating an entire panoramic screen to it is bad design and not metro.
That is my opinion

sayonical said:
Then he should look closely at how MS design their panorama apps. Settings are always in the app bar in People hub, messaging, xbox live hub, calender etc
Generally when a user swipes along a panoramic screen its to see more content. Settings isn't more content. Most users don't even fiddle with it each time they launch the app unless they need to change something, so therefore dedicating an entire panoramic screen to it is bad design and not metro.
That is my opinion
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It's the case with so many major app developers. It's the mindset from other OSes. That brings us to badly developed apps argument. There is always an app for what we need, if not official, a client - majority of the times. But most apps are so horribly metrofied that it's mortifying. Making apps esp free ones, is an amazing task! But then full hearted approach to match the metro concept will streamline an user's experience and they will love your app more. Else someone too choosy about how his phone looks might find distasteful breaks in his streamline experience. Most WP users gotta be choosy with UI, why else would you love this new UI so much!?
May be people here won't agree, but this is what I generally consider as a factor whether any particular app will stay on my WP. In my WM and Android days, that wasn't an issue because OS UI was ugly anyway. But can't let the UI experience be ruined just because I want some functionality of an app that I might only use once a week or once a month!

Oh this looks so much better. I'm not a big fan of how it looks right now.
I do agree with previous comments about settings. A whole screen to swipe to is uneccessary. Put it in the bar.

I can agree Ziggy looks dirty. I hope developer ask some designers to help him make ui better.

Function over finesse. It's more important to get the core working well, than to tweak the look and feel.
For the most part the real use is a 1 button deal. Make it listen. Make it stop and process.
The app without a function update was only a cool concept, but not much worked properly. Since it is a 1 person team, I am glad the focus is on getting it to function properly.
Once the guts are working properly, it can be delivered. Then, we will have a great functional app while the user interface tweaks are done. Then we will have a superb app.