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iPhone 4.0 will have multitasking? WP7, you better have that as well

Just came:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...software_to_deliver_multitasking_support.html
Still not sure though ... but quite interesting.
If that is true, WP7 better to have it as well!

It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.

Yes, I know that, WP7 will have some sort of multitasking capability.
I just want to post news from other platform competitor (iPhone) so we can see that they are working on something ...
This year would be interesting on mobile world (WP7, iPhone 4, iPad?, HP Slate?).
krjcook said:
It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.
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Speaking of Tables, did you know that LG is supposedly making a WP7S tablet. I don't really care about that, but there are leaked videos of MS Courier which is the hottest thing I've ever seen. Also MS has some touch based OS called MS Locus. It's seens to be Webos, Android, and Iphone OS combined. Here's a pic
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More Info Here: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100208/location-based-operating-system-concept-locus-os/

krjcook said:
When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
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That's NOT multitasking

seed_al said:
That's NOT multitasking
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Please explain to me what multitasking is. It's a mobile device, what are you expecting multiple windows like you for A Full Blown Desktop OS? You can only view one app at a time. What kind of multitasking do you want? When you switch to another app, the app you were previously using pauses. If it was a IM, Web Browsing, Email or any other web based App it will continue to send information. It's the same if not similar multitasking that you see in Android.

Multitasking means that applications are actually running in the background.
On WP7S, they just save their sate and close or pause. That means they're not running = no multitasking.
(I might be wrong and maybe they are actually running, but everything currently hints that this is not the case and there's indeed no multitasking).
On Android, applications keep running. They just save their sate in case something goes wrong and they have to be closed (e.g. if the device runs out of RAM).

Yes, but is that a big difference? What does keeping an App open in the background benefit your anyway as long as it's readily available? It's not like that app is completely closes, it's just pauses to reduce it's footprint. When you go back it's immdiately available without any loading. Not like you see on the other fruity platform.

multi-tasking might not be really important from a normal user view---> i might be wrong....
however on a enterprise point of view, it is important. running ipblue at the background waiting for call or using office communicator at the background while checking out the email.

This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.

vangrieg said:
This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.
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true, believe in the near future, we will have more prominent answer.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rd3TD9g_Y
+ WP7 design and MS services
= perfect
(notice how elegantly it multitasks and how it also has tiles? It just looks ugly)

That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.

krjcook said:
That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.
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WM also has it if you install Task Facade. Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).

you can discuss forever it won't change anything. wait for the OS and see for yourselves.

freyberry said:
Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).
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That just shows your 6 recently launched apps, not nessecarily running though.

who gives a **** about the iphone ??? if uve handled a snapdragon phone , and after u get an iphone in ur hand , ur wipe ur ass with it and its ugly low res screen
its history , stop riding it

WP7 will be king
Iam very confident in windows phone7 and its ability to handle Xbox games and tasks. So confident that for WVGA devices like touchpro2 I made a demo of what it would be like and I put it here.

My best guess is that WP7 still uses windows CE as its code base and inherits multitasking support. Seems like multitasking is not a big deal though as WP7 moves away from the multiple application concept.

Although we have heard rumors that WP7S will have preemptive multitasking, if you think about it, the live tiles really defeat the purpose of multitasking.
Say you have a (multi-platform) twitter app.
In Android, you can leave this open and come back to it anytime and it will be up-to-date, but you don't receive any notification.
When using live tiles in WP7S, you can run your twitter app and then switch over to another app, and, although your twitter app will close, while your doing other things your app's live tile can be checking for updates periodically and even display the most recent tweet directed towards you on the homesreen. That way, when you go back to the homesreen, you can see that there's a new tweet, and launch the now-updated app.

First Shots of WP7 Multitasking

Here are the first shots from the WP7 Keynote in MWC 2011
You can access this menu by pressing and holding the back key and no doubt this will be apart of the 2011 Mango update. expected 'Later this year'
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Hope you like what's planned for the future though because personally I cannot wait!

Yes, one more thing off my check list.
A few more and I'm sold.

Wow, that whole cards thing is so webos

adesonic said:
Wow, that whole cards thing is so webos
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Or Symbian .

Peew971 said:
Or Symbian .
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so it begins lol

Gotta wonder why they keep going that way instead of an "Exposé"-like approach. I mean, in webOS since the "cards" could be interacted with. Here it just feels like a waste of screen real estate...
I guess it's because they want to make individual task previews as large as possible when there are there many tasks to choose from.

Pickx said:
Gotta wonder why they keep going that way instead of an "Exposé"-like approach. I mean, in webOS since the "cards" could be interacted with. Here it just feels like a waste of screen real estate...
I guess it's because they want to make individual task previews as large as possible when there are there many tasks to choose from.
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Just be happy it'll be there and doing what it's meant to do.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't sheesh.

I personally don't like this. wp7 is hassle free right now, the last thing on earth I want is yet another "task manager" or having to close apps to make sure they're not eating memory or battery or...
WTF why on earth... this is why winmo was a failure MS.
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Maybe I'm not understanding it right, and it wouldn't be keeping apps open, just keeping your spot open in where you were with the app.

sure haven't said:
I personally don't like this. wp7 is hassle free right now, the last thing on earth I want is yet another "task manager" or having to close apps to make sure they're not eating memory or battery or...
WTF why on earth... this is why winmo was a failure MS.
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Maybe I'm not understanding it right, and it wouldn't be keeping apps open, just keeping your spot open in where you were with the app.
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I don't think they have gone into enough detail of how it works. It could be like iOS or it could be like Android. We'll probably have to wait til MIX to see.

Honestly Figured MS would implement a task switching feature like this. Either similar to Cards in WebOS or the 6 previous you see in Android when you hold down the home button

lekki said:
Just be happy it'll be there and doing what it's meant to do.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't sheesh.
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Huh? I'm just discussing the way it's implemented. I'm not criticizing it.

DarkRyoushii said:
Here are the first shots from the WP7 Keynote in MWC 2011
You can access this menu by pressing and holding the back key and no doubt this will be apart of the 2011 Mango update. expected 'Later this year'
Hope you like what's planned for the future though because personally I cannot wait!
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Wooo-Hoooo! A real multitasking! Out-friggin-standing! I'm so excited I'm as giddy as a school girl...hehe
This MT is every bit as good as the WebOS MT.

Hopefully we can manually "turn on" apps we want to keep running in the background.
Optimistic me believes MS recognizes the issues of task managers in WinMo and Android and has some sort of fix worked out.

This is wonderful and im sure will be improved upon
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Is it really multitasking? I saw a video on youtube and lost my erection a little bit.
First he talked about how "fast" it was to switch back to a game and showed a demo. Click back button, do stuff go back to the game and it is paused. Click continue and it starts immediately.
Then he showed off how to display the list of multiple apps by holding the back button and scrolling through them.
Then he mentions even 3rd party music applications will be allowed to play music even after the user switches screens "like Microsoft's music player".

This is great!

nizzon said:
This is great!
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Yeah but notice he isn't actually going into anything else. He keeps saying "yadda yadda do whatever I want, then just press back! It's so easy!"
What he's not showing is that now the cache will have the phone "app", the sms app, and maybe something else in its memory. It won't know that you want to go back to the game. So you'll be cycling through stuff before getting back to it.
But you can probably just skip that with a long-press back button

Erm, what? Did you miss the middle part where he jumps between 2 games and e-mail by holding "back"? Or am I not getting your point?

sounds like fast app switching form what he is saying... no idea how it works but its perfect for me as long as apps which require a connection can just stay connected and updated like an IM app for example. It would be **** if you have to sign in again

nizzon said:
Erm, what? Did you miss the middle part where he jumps between 2 games and e-mail by holding "back"? Or am I not getting your point?
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No, that was me not watching the whole thing. Open mouth, insert foot.

Javascript Apps

The KIN's browser has javascript... and I've been playing a few javascript games on the phone and they work wonderfully. And it's really nice that you can pin the web pages on the apps screen. Some games require arrow keys that the kin lacks so games like tetris don't work properly. What i'm trying to get at is why don't we try to develop Javascript applications designed for use with this phone? Downside is you have to have a data plan or be on wifi to use the applications. But on the brightside it is a solution to the lack of apps on the phone.
Below are screenshots of some Javascript apps and the app menu.
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"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
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"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
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or we can develope applications that download to the phone and dont require internet?

Personally, two things: no connection needed, saves.
The nvidia part is a monster if used right, and we have a qwerty to map as keys for random emulators (if the OS protection is broken).
And i will use javascript to do some jailbreak or something, like i stated and/or normal website ajax requests....

johnkussack said:
Personally, two things: no connection needed, saves.
The nvidia part is a monster if used right, and we have a qwerty to map as keys for random emulators (if the OS protection is broken).
And i will use javascript to do some jailbreak or something, like i stated and/or normal website ajax requests....
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I see where you're coming from. It's just this phone is so locked down and we haven't been able to get around it... Possibly some time in the future we may. This is just a proposal for one of the possibilities. I also like the idea of jailbreaking through javascript.

dezgrz said:
The KIN's browser has javascript... and I've been playing a few javascript games on the phone and they work wonderfully. And it's really nice that you can pin the web pages on the apps screen. Some games require arrow keys that the kin lacks so games like tetris don't work properly. What i'm trying to get at is why don't we try to develop Javascript applications designed for use with this phone? Downside is you have to have a data plan or be on wifi to use the applications. But on the brightside it is a solution to the lack of apps on the phone.=QUOTE]
Only if we could download Javascript Apps...
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WP7-KIN said:
dezgrz said:
The KIN's browser has javascript... and I've been playing a few javascript games on the phone and they work wonderfully. And it's really nice that you can pin the web pages on the apps screen. Some games require arrow keys that the kin lacks so games like tetris don't work properly. What i'm trying to get at is why don't we try to develop Javascript applications designed for use with this phone? Downside is you have to have a data plan or be on wifi to use the applications. But on the brightside it is a solution to the lack of apps on the phone.
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Only if we could download Javascript Apps...
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Well, in theory if we could access the storage of the phone so we could read/write files to it... we could store the document on the phone and point the browser to it's location.

dezgrz said:
Well, in theory if we could access the storage of the phone so we could read/write files to it... we could store the document on the phone and point the browser to it's location.
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as far as i know, KIN's browser doesn't support urls starting with "ftp://" and "file://"
So, i see no way to access files through browser.

JavaScript App Development in Browser
I've experimented with developing hosted applications to run in the web browser (data connection required). Unfortunately, the double-tap delay introduces an irritating latency into the browser's response, making it seem slow. It waits for a second tap for zooming in, then responds to a single tap if the second tap doesn't occur within the wait period.
My experiment was to clone the Calculator application, adding scientific functions below the first step of buttons. When the phone is held horizontally, you have a basic calculator. Turning it vertically reveals the extended functions. Anyway, this latency causes the application's response to lag behind your input.
www .gregsearle.com/kin/scicalc.html (work in progress, somewhat flaky, you'll need to reassemble this link).

This is great, thanks for posting up this website. Does anyone know of other places to access these types of games?

The scientific calculator is finished as a proof-of-concept test, but the browser's tap lag makes it difficult to use. If there was a way to eliminate this lag, browser-based apps may be an effective solution.

I know this sounds noob-ish, but if this thing is based on WP7, then we can
a) get the Windows Phone 7 people to help us create a virus/something to crack the system.
b) Use the Chevron WP7 unlocker to hack the KIN. http://www.chevronwp7.com/
c) Connect an external harddrive/USB to this and see if we can get a connection. If we do, we can load up some sort of program like CWM to flash ROMS, edit the system, etc.
I know my ideas might be stupid, but doesn't hurt to try.

obsama1 said:
but if this thing is based on WP7
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The thing is that as far as we know, its based on Windows CE 6, not WP7 sorry (though I may be mistaken with my facts)

got one
i found a game that is cached on the phone so it can be played without a connection... www.iminesweeper.com. it's as the name implies minesweeper, but it's better than nothing

obsama1 said:
I know this sounds noob-ish, but if this thing is based on WP7, then we can
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mscoolnerd said:
The thing is that as far as we know, its based on Windows CE 6, not WP7 sorry (though I may be mistaken with my facts)
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Correct. The phone was originally planned to be the first WP7 product, but due to time and other issues, they used a very customised build of Windows Mobile 6.

The phone will always attempt to cache the last page loaded so that you can access it offline for a while. However, some pages can't be cached.

Just a thought
Before anyone freaks out on me, know that I haven't done any programming in 10 years (so I'm pretty much useless there), but I can do research for things people have done in the past. I stumbled across a method to cache games called "cache manifest". It seems to have been used by iphone/ipad users a lot (not sure why since they have apps). However, I did add a couple of the games I found that use it to my "apps" page on my KIN and while they can't be played (I guess not a compatible Java), I was able to pull it up 10 hours later without WIFI and see the start screen and some counters and drop down menus. Wondering if anyone has any experience with this and can mention if it may help. If this is useless sorry for wasting every bodies time. I'll give a couple example below.
touchsolitaire.mobi/app
www.roccles.com/external/jquerymobilelocalstorage/
www.gauravmanek.com/projects/3dminesweeper/ipad/index_ipad.html

TaskViewer for WP7

Hi all
No, it's not a task switcher (still working on that one ) but here's a little something I thought I'd share, as much of the knowledge/code put into it came from here on XDA.
First off, this uses fiinix's amazing DllImport library, so check that out.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Here's what it is. I was curious to see how WP7 handled memory usage and running applications, and this program made it much easier to view this information in a convenient manner. After some cleaning, I figured I'd share it with you guys, and see if anyone has some suggestions. No, this is not a task manager, as I don't know how to get around the privilege issue. But once I do, I'll be sure to update it.
Also, it served as a basis to experiment with background threads. If you have dehydration enabled, I've programmed it to listen for the VolUp/VolDown combination. If detected, it'll bring up a message box in any running application with the current memory information.
But enough rambling Here's a video of it, and a download link. If you have any questions regarding it, feel free to ask
Features:
-Displays memory load and total physical memory
-Displays device uptime
-Lists all running processes
-Displays a message over the current application with memory load information upon pressing VolUp+VolDown (dehydration hack must be enabled)
Enjoy!
Download

hey i'm using samsung omnia 7 dehydration hack enabled, is it unable to have the memory load information functionality by pressing volup+down? ):

wch1703 said:
hey i'm using samsung omnia 7 dehydration hack enabled, is it unable to have the memory load information functionality by pressing volup+down? ):
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The application has to be running in the background, eg open up the task manager and press Start. It should then work. Let me know how it goes.

Apparently it doesn't work, even in the task manager app, nothing pops up! Is it only me? :/

wch1703 said:
Apparently it doesn't work, even in the task manager app, nothing pops up! Is it only me? :/
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Are you holding down both Volume Up and Volume Down? Are you sure dehydration is working and the app is running in the background? It's worked on my Samsung Focus during testing, so I don't know why an Omnia wouldn't.

yeah i'm sure i'm on dehydration and the app is in the background. i followed the things you did in the video and can see the multiple taskhost.exe in the task viewer..but the memory load info just doesnt pop up anywhere..is it because i'm on 7390 nodo?

Very cool. Keep up the great work Jaxbot!

wch1703 said:
yeah i'm sure i'm on dehydration and the app is in the background. i followed the things you did in the video and can see the multiple taskhost.exe in the task viewer..but the memory load info just doesnt pop up anywhere..is it because i'm on 7390 nodo?
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NoDo shouldn't be a problem, something else must just be strange. What happens when you hold both Vol Up and Vol Down? Does the volume pop-up come up with the numbers changing rapidly?

Sometimes the volume pop up comes up but the volume doesn't change at all. Other times nothing comes up not even the volume..could u make one that uses the half shutter like on the task switcher u previewed? It seems more reliable to me..

This is intresting.
These are my suggestion (for a graphical taskviewer):
Auto update the list when the program gets active.
List only the hwnds of the running apps.
Keep track of the app that had last focus before opening this app (this maybe a bit tricky and is to render the latest state of the app before exiting)
Say im running facebook app and now open the taskswitcher it should make a screenshot of the facebook app the moment my active app changes when clicking the taskswitcher
Do you mind if I can do some experiments with your code? I can build it myself since I need only some parts of it, but your basically does half what I wanted to experiment so it will save time

Works sometimes on my HD7 when I press vol up/down great app though !
Sent from my HD7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Marvin_S said:
This is intresting.
These are my suggestion (for a graphical taskviewer):
Auto update the list when the program gets active.
List only the hwnds of the running apps.
Keep track of the app that had last focus before opening this app (this maybe a bit tricky and is to render the latest state of the app before exiting)
Say im running facebook app and now open the taskswitcher it should make a screenshot of the facebook app the moment my active app changes when clicking the taskswitcher
Do you mind if I can do some experiments with your code? I can build it myself since I need only some parts of it, but your basically does half what I wanted to experiment so it will save time
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Thinking along the same lines, too. If I have time tonight, I'll clean up my example project and send it to you, otherwise I'll get it to you sometime tomorrow. Cheers

For those of you having issues:
Try this XAP. It will enable the focus key to pull up the dialog, as well as do some debug stuff. To help me out, try pressing the Debug button, then go to Start and press random hardware buttons. This *should* display a messagebox with the appropriate keycode. Let me know how it goes, thanks
http://windowsphonehacker.com/files/taskviewerdebug.xap

thanks a lot! it works like a charm now
well heres some of the keycode i get on my omnia 7
start = 91
back = 27
search = 124
voldown = 118
volup = 117
really loving the memory info pop up!

Jaxbot said:
For those of you having issues:
Try this XAP. It will enable the focus key to pull up the dialog, as well as do some debug stuff. To help me out, try pressing the Debug button, then go to Start and press random hardware buttons. This *should* display a messagebox with the appropriate keycode. Let me know how it goes, thanks
http://windowsphonehacker.com/files/taskviewerdebug.xap
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Here is your problem with the omnia:
up is 117 and we get like 2/3 messageboxes per single press.
down is 118 same story 2/3 pop ups.
However this is why it does not work when pressing up and down at the same time. We get nothing, no popup messageboxes, only the volume thing comes up, other than that nothing. It seems like it does not register a keypress when both at the same time.
The focus button works flawless indeed.

I know it's not a priority but in case that you need them, I made some more Metro like icons for the app

uptime counter problem ?
Hello,
I think there is a problem with the uptime counter. If the counter reaches 23hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds it resets to 0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds.
Has anyone else mentioned this problem ?

Sotos183 said:
Hello,
I think there is a problem with the uptime counter. If the counter reaches 23hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds it resets to 0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds.
Has anyone else mentioned this problem ?
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It's because it ticks over into Days. Just a problem with the display, technically speaking, though I tend to restart my phone quite often

task switcher
Hi,
I got an questions:
1. How lond it could take to finalize the task switcher development ?
2. Is in your interest to do task switcher event if mango update have
task switcher ?
Thanks for answers.

seems not working for lumia 800. disappear at lanched

Mango new features currently available in the Emulator

A short delve into the emulator in the developer tools reveals things like navigation that still hasn't officially been confirmed!
Here's what I've found so far:
Zune:
-There's a smart-dj feature
-You can create and save playlists
-There's a "related artists" and bio under the artist tab, great for discovering music
-Podcasts work well
-You can't "heart" songs (at least in the emulator)
-There's still no scrub controls
Bing & Maps
-Bing maps has voice-guided directions as expected
-You can show traffic on maps
-Still no landscape maps
-It's now possible to scroll the mini-map while the text directions are on-screen
-Bing music recognizes music like Shazam and clicking on the result will take you to zune marketplace
-You can now unlock the phone using the search button, apparently
-If you search for something on Bing that has an application equivalent; it will show you a link to the application within Bing.
Keyboard
-Keyboard prediction has been improved a lot:
It previously didn't correct misspellings of many short words like ar -> at, fir-> for and br-> be), now it does
It also now corrects it if you press a letter instead of space between two words e.g. it will suggest "I'm about" if you type imnabout or imnaboit, and will suggest "How are you" if you type "hownarebyou"
The keyboard also corrects common misspellings like Profesional -> Professional
-Keyboard tries to predict next word (as shown at 24th May event), e.g. If you type I, then "tr", it will suggest "tried", whereas in WP7 it will suggest nothing. This seems to work pretty well
IE
- Websites seem to render more accurately
- Websites can use GPS data for location
- Bing suggestions now appear when typing a search in IE as well
- Text still looks garbled when really zoomed out
- Tab animation has changed very subtly
General OS:
- Same colour themes as last time
- It appears you can't "press and hold" the back button in the emulator, meaning possibly we can't do multitasking, even in an unlocked emulator.
Camera
- No changes in general layout. There seems to be a software camera button in the camera app
Can't wait for an unlocked emulator!
Update: If you search for something on Bing that has an application equivalent; it will show you a link to the application within Bing. Picture at the end.
Update 2: Additions to the keyboard section about prediction
Update 3: There seems to be a software camera button in the camera app
Update 4: It appears you can't "press and hold" the back button in the emulator, meaning possibly we can't do multitasking, even in an unlocked emulator.
Update 5: The "my location" icon now has the same colour as the OS theme
Here are some images;
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fantastic write up

Thanks. Updated with one more thing If anyone else has things to add, I will update the list

Thank you for the infos you provided! I was wondering if there's any chance to explain a bit how does the "smart DJ" option in Zune, work?
Can you move songs around freely and then create the playlist or not? How does it work?
Thank you for your time!

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work on the emulator. I'll let you know if I can get it working.
EDIT: To expand on that, it says "WE don't have enough info about this artist to generate a Smart DJ playlist"

"Bing music recognizes music like Shazam"
> Shazam inb4 out of business in wp7 lol.

fiinix said:
"Bing music recognizes music like Shazam"
> Shazam inb4 out of business in wp7 lol.
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Yeah especially as Shazam now costs money for unlimited tagging!

Robin.B said:
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work on the emulator. I'll let you know if I can get it working.
EDIT: To expand on that, it says "WE don't have enough info about this artist to generate a Smart DJ playlist"
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Who knows what "smart dj" option really is...
Anyway, thanks for your time and efforts!

On the zune player, the smart dj takes the song you are listening to, and creates a playlist of 25 or so songs that are similar to that song.

toza said:
Who knows what "smart dj" option really is...
Anyway, thanks for your time and efforts!
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its kinda like Pandora, auto creates a playlist based on your taste with songs from your library and also marketplace if u have a Zune pass. The Zune desktop software has it and so did the Zune HD I m guessing.
And yeah Bing music looks awesome, maybe thats why Shazam decided to remove their app from the marketplace

Awesome work so far Robin.B! We're writing an article about this post right now.

From the 7.1 Beta Release notes:
"The task-switching user interface that accessed on physical devices by pressing and holding the back button, is not supported on the emulator."
I was looking forward to checking that out, too

One of the main Mango's features: IE now supports HTML5! And with hardware rendering and acceleration! This benchmark http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/performance/fishietank/ gives me about 25-26 fps in emulator. Wow, MS! Real device will render at least 50-60 fps
P.S. Still no Silverlight support in browser :-(

@ jmerrey and cbebop7
Ah, that is the thing I was hoping not to get as an answer... I hope you agree with me, that that is kinda useless.
It would be much better if one could rearange the songs in wished order, and then save that as an playlist (of course, with a possibility of editing that playlist).

Task Switching is accessed by pressing and holding F1 on your keyboard.

I'm running the emulator and was looking forward to trying a few things, but my PC keyboard doesn't work in the emulator. Is this normal?

BlitterTwisted said:
I'm running the emulator and was looking forward to trying a few things, but my PC keyboard doesn't work in the emulator. Is this normal?
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hit the page up to access your keyboard

Press "Pause/Break" key to enable PC keyboard.

neo158 said:
Task Switching is accessed by pressing and holding F1 on your keyboard.
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Good Find...

How/where did you get the unlocked image?