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Hello,
Having used lox devs dev Eclair AOSP ROM I've realised how lacking the Hero is in its standard form - general speed of use and just the way the system feels.
In short I love using 2.0 with none of the HTC bloatware, its a shame as I don't think the ROM devs think there is much call for this - Hopefully in this thread everyone who agrees will shout up.
Obviously the dev one has its issues - sync, random crashes on phone function, etc, but I'm happy to work with it if I know there is development coming.
It would be great for one of the devs to take the project on board, knowing there is community support for this. I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels this way.
Unfortunately I'm no way programmingly minded and struggle with linux at the best of times, never mind thinking about coding, but I'd donate/support/playtest any work in progress clean android *latest version* ROM for the Hero.
Sorry...subtract 1 No. I am not an android Dev..but have been drinking Leffe
anybody got anything to add to this?
i will request Lox_Dev to update this rom when he gets some free time as i know he is working hard to get Eclair 2.1 done. I and a friend of mine is using 2.0 AOSP for last 5 days and none of us is complaining with basic features. all look good.
just 2-3 things need to be fixed.
* cant set own wallpaper as album/gallery app isnt there.
* bluetooth pairs but cant send/receive files
* camera works upto 3 megapixel.
otherwise i dont find any major problem with AOSP 2.0. i dint face a single hang in 5 days and neither did my friend.
Well, first off all. The current 2.0 / 2.1 builds all run very laggy and crappy. It is as if the video drivers aren't using any acceleration at all or something.
In Lox's 2.0 clean build (which I've used for the past few days) every bit of animation except the lockscreen goes laggy. Scrolling through the menu, opening the menu, opening the notifications... it never goes as smooth as on the 1.5 based ROMS.
I'm in no way complaining, don't get me wrong. I'm very interested in using a stock android experience but so far nothing is working good yet. The 1.6 based tries don't support all the hardware, and the 2.0 / 2.1 based ROMs aren't up to speed.
This is more than understandable ofcourse. The 2.0 / 2.1 based ROMS are based on leaked alpha / beta work which just isn't ready yet, and 1.6 differs too much from the stock android ROM to get all the hardware working OK.
So my hope is that when HTC releases their 2.0 / 2.1 official ROM, we can use it to make a clean vanilla Android 2.x experience which runs as snappy as our current HTC 1.5 versions, and still with all the hardware working OK. Maybe even with a guide how to 'backup' or transfer the googlebits from the official 2.x ROM.
A clean 2.x ROM, but with the googlebits, and with the HTC music player + album + camera + browser... now that would be awesome.
Starting a thread like this isn't really much use right now, since we only have buggy laggy 2.x bits from a leaked ROM to get stuff working.
dipje said:
A clean 2.x ROM, but with the googlebits, and with the HTC music player + album + camera + browser... now that would be awesome.
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Ha, ridiculous. Seriously I don't get people's issue with Sense UI, if you don't want it fine.. But deal with the fact that you're losing HTC apps as well.
kwiksand said:
But deal with the fact that you're losing HTC apps as well.
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omg how am I ever gonna live without a laggy browser, calendar, contact list or sms application?
It would be the best thing ever, IMO.
And nobody needs to be offended, those who want sense UI can just use that
Exactly! So stop flooding Hero (HTC) ROM threads with useless crap about wanting a ROM minus Rosie/Sense UI, E2K you've been the worst offender?!?!
You must be happy now that a almost fully functional AOSP ROM's in the wild!
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Exactly! So stop flooding Hero (HTC) ROM threads with useless crap about wanting a ROM minus Rosie/Sense UI, E2K you've been the worst offender?!?!
You must be happy now that a almost fully functional AOSP ROM's in the wild!
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Happy?? I am more happy than ever! (regarding the hero)
Also very thankful that the developers got their sh*t together and are pumping out roms like real pro's.
THe devs should be called "hero" not this 2007 pos A7200 cellphone
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Ha, ridiculous. Seriously I don't get people's issue with Sense UI, if you don't want it fine.. But deal with the fact that you're losing HTC apps as well.
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wtf is wrong with stating what would be a nice combo in my opinion? I even started by saying that for now there should be no hope and 'just requesting it to the devs' right now is bonkers. When a good HTC 2.x ROM comes along the devs have something to play with, until then this thread was useless... and still you gonna call that ridiculous? Your even saying that to a user who has tried a vanilla ROM for the whole of 30 hours before running back to my nandroid backup with MCR on it.
Go troll somewhere else please, or at least read the posts carefully and whole you're going to attack.
Are there any FULL AOSP (no sense at all) ROMs other than CM6 RC1? I cant stand sense and have been looking all over for a AOSP rom with working 4G and 8mp camera.
Thanks!
I could be wrong, but i think they are waiting on the kernal for the 4G. I think i read that somewhere, but like i said, i could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
CM6 has 8mp camera working. Has been since day 1. If you think it's not because it doesn't fill up the whole screen, you are mistaken. By default HTC sets it to widescreen, but at that ratio it is actually losing resolution. People need to turn the widescreen off to get the full 8mp. The 6mp (wide) setting in CM6 is comparable to the default stock HTC setting.
EDIT: and no, there isn't any other true AOSP roms besides CM6.
OT: Can someone tell me what AOSP is?
Android open source project
sent with my CM6 N8/2 EVO
Android Open Source Project
edit: Oops, you beat me to it. I should refresh more often before posting i guess
More specifically, it is the absolute base of the Android operating system. It is where all the phone developers start, but then they weave in a bunch of their own custom software. I think the phone manufaturers want to differentiate each other and give them more of a brand (i.e. Sense). It's all fine and dandy, but some people just like to have the true base of the Android system and then choose what apps they clutter it up with instead of it being cluttered up to begin with.
Awesome, thanks for the explanation. AOSP sounds EXACTLY like what I'm looking for as I want to build my own android from the ground up...
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I could be wrong, but i think they are waiting on the kernal for the 4G. I think i read that somewhere, but like i said, i could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Cyanogen is waiting on the kernel for 4G? There are plenty of custom froyo roms with root access and working 4G but none that dont have sense. Am I really the only one who hates sense? I cant believe that every custom froyo rom has sense!
Just download any rom, and run ADW instead. The only thing you're losing is the space on your phone that sense takes up, big deal.
ADW is the launcher used in CM, so if you liked that, you can have your stock froyo and 4g.
Also, it's your phone, and that's why we are here, to make our phones look and perform how we want, but what is it about sense that you hate? I personally think it brings a more human feel to Android. I ran with CM6 for like 5 days, and while it's a great ROM, I just missed the things sense gives you. I actually got better benchmarks on DC 3.5 than CM6 too, even though there is no actual noticible difference between the two performance wise.
A lot of people say that Sense isn't needed since 2.2, but I disagree, it's not just about the functionality, it's about the form too. Sense just plain looks better. It give the phone a more polished feel. Stock android is very Spartan, very cold. Some people like that I guess.
I for one don't like the forced integration of things like facebook in sense. I run a very spartan (to use your terminology) setup... I like clean... Same with my desktop pc. I don't like desktop icons either
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the HTC 4G stack is propriartary. CM is AOSP.
Clearwire released their 4G implementation a few weeks ago. someone is actively working to get it working on the EVO.
we are impatiently waiting for 4G. only ROM's that are Sense based currently have 4G. AOSP will not. perhaps this week
and no...you are FAR from the only one that is happy to be rid of HTC Sense.
What about getting the stock Froyo keyboard? How do we get that on a sense rom?
Some people made 2.1 roms that were sense, but had most of the AOSP apps swapped in and sense replacements removed.
There are a couple kinda like that for 2.2, Android Central has a stripped rom, and FroYo fusion has a senseless version, but I haven't used it or even seen screenshots, so I don't know what it is like.
Avalaunch started on an AOSP 2.1 build, but he kinda scrapped it for his custom Sense stuff.
Right now the CM team is implementing everything from scratch, which is why some things don't work like 4G, and HDMI. No other phones had this before. The reason all the Sense Roms work is because the sense framework has all the parts that are needed.
One nice thing about CM is if you don't install gapps, you can get the source code to every bit of the OS running on your phone.
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Just download any rom, and run ADW instead. The only thing you're losing is the space on your phone that sense takes up, big deal.
ADW is the launcher used in CM, so if you liked that, you can have your stock froyo and 4g.
Also, it's your phone, and that's why we are here, to make our phones look and perform how we want, but what is it about sense that you hate? I personally think it brings a more human feel to Android. I ran with CM6 for like 5 days, and while it's a great ROM, I just missed the things sense gives you. I actually got better benchmarks on DC 3.5 than CM6 too, even though there is no actual noticible difference between the two performance wise.
A lot of people say that Sense isn't needed since 2.2, but I disagree, it's not just about the functionality, it's about the form too. Sense just plain looks better. It give the phone a more polished feel. Stock android is very Spartan, very cold. Some people like that I guess.
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with sense you cant use wii controller
htc limit the capacities of you device i dont know why!!
-limit performance
-limit graphics
-limit bluetooth
limit limit limit!!!
the only thing missing on cm6 is 4g with that it will be perfect
Exchange support is missing from CM 6 also.
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kaokollaa said:
with sense you cant use wii controller
htc limit the capacities of you device i dont know why!!
-limit performance
-limit graphics
-limit bluetooth
limit limit limit!!!
the only thing missing on cm6 is 4g with that it will be perfect
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lulz.....
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I find it frustrating, but they do it because their target audience isn't people like you and me. They use a custom bluetooth stack so they have control over it, it is easier for them to make sure that everyone's expensive headset and car stereo work. They limit performance and graphics to get better battery life and stability. They created Sense to make the interface more appealing to people who would otherwise be turned off by AOSP and buy an iPhone instead (even though Android is WAY better for social networking integration).
I'm kinda bummed we haven't been able to just grab N1 roms and hack them over more often. It's kinda strange. The Aria (Liberty) had an AOSP Legend port within weeks of release. Here we are 2 full months out and we have ROMs based off HTC's work, and CM. That's it.
Antebios said:
Exchange support is missing from CM 6 also.
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Also FM Radio, HDMI output, updating PRL.
Not complaining about the team douche work, but more that we don't have other devs working on AOSP. I don't care much about the missing features, and run CM as my daily. Sometimes I'll flash to a sense ROM to get 4G for tethering to my PC, but this is rare, and nandroid makes it very quick to flash back and forth when needed.
Actually... I thought Exchange support was there but just having issues for some (possibly many) people.
Antebios said:
Exchange support is missing from CM 6 also.
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this is totally wrong. I live on Exchange daily for work. if CM6 were not able to get my exchange email or notify me properly I would be using it. I have been on CM6 since RC1 second day and most of the nightly builds since.
please check your resources before posting such statements.
clamknuckle said:
Just download any rom, and run ADW instead. The only thing you're losing is the space on your phone that sense takes up, big deal.
ADW is the launcher used in CM, so if you liked that, you can have your stock froyo and 4g.
Also, it's your phone, and that's why we are here, to make our phones look and perform how we want
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Youre right about ADW.. I already downloaded that launcher. However, I like the custom themes that come with the non sense ROMs. Such as CM6's music player, or the window pane (if you will) theme for the camera, etc. If you dont know how to program, which i dont, you are somewhat limited with what you can do in terms of customization.
DraginMagik said:
the HTC 4G stack is propriartary. CM is AOSP.
Clearwire released their 4G implementation a few weeks ago. someone is actively working to get it working on the EVO.
we are impatiently waiting for 4G. only ROM's that are Sense based currently have 4G. AOSP will not. perhaps this week
and no...you are FAR from the only one that is happy to be rid of HTC Sense.
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This sounds like GREAT news to me. I hope youre correct. I think im just gonna go back to CM6 for now. It was a great rom and I can only use 4G at work so its not that big of a deal to me. The only other issue I had with CM6 was the inability to split a >160 character text message into two messages.
Can anyone remind me if the 8mp camera was working? I cant remember which kernel cm6 used.
The 8mp camara works. When you click the settings on the right of the screen the settings within the box that pops out scroll. 8mp is selected by defult
I find the HTC sense UI is beautiful,someone will do it?
Thank U.
gengxi said:
I find the HTC sense UI is beautiful,someone will do it?
Thank U.
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You can run it on 2.1, but there's no 2.2 ROM that we can port sense from...
I know its personal preference, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to. The 2.1 version that ran Sense was dog slow and very buggy. IMO, even at it's best, Sense will slow down any system.
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I know its personal preference, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to. The 2.1 version that ran Sense was dog slow and very buggy. IMO, even at it's best, Sense will slow down any system.
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Bingo. I think acl is trying to get a ROM from the Desire ported with 2.2/senseui... but I'm sure it'll be slow as heck.
If Android was consistently smooth & quick, then maybe more attention would be given to this cause, but if on a basic level there are still issues... you can't expect something as advanced (and proprietary!) as SenseUI to work well or at all.
But you make a good point. If you want sense, run the rosie 2.1 builds
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Bingo. I think acl is trying to get a ROM from the Desire ported with 2.2/senseui... but I'm sure it'll be slow as heck.
If Android was consistently smooth & quick, then maybe more attention would be given to this cause, but if on a basic level there are still issues... you can't expect something as advanced (and proprietary!) as SenseUI to work well or at all.
But you make a good point. If you want sense, run the rosie 2.1 builds
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in my opinion the best thing for our phone should be 1.6+sense (1.6 is blazin fast) or 2.2+sense,eclair is slower
Anyone want to attempt to port "goapk froyo sense 2.2.1" from HTC HERO? I have somewhat successfully ported a HERO rom from CM FRF91 to HTC Fuze but I'm trying to work on 2.1 Espresso port to ext2 right now.
Might try goapk froyo again later.
e334 said:
Anyone want to attempt to port "goapk froyo sense 2.2.1" from HTC HERO? I have somewhat successfully ported a HERO rom from CM FRF91 to HTC Fuze but I'm trying to work on 2.1 Espresso port to ext2 right now.
Might try goapk froyo again later.
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I would definitely help you if I knew how to port
Or you could try to port from EVO's 2.2 (tried my friends yesterday, and it's definately Android 2.2 (verified in software info.)
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Or you could try to port from EVO's 2.2 (tried my friends yesterday, and it's definately Android 2.2 (verified in software info.)
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Evo hardware isn't even close to ours... As stated previously, the Hero would probably be the best bet.
I thought someone made mention of it actually working on their device in IRC
XirXes said:
VICTORY. I have successfully converted the sense build to ext2. and with only 3 operating systems involved in the process! 00:05
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I thought someone made mention of it actually working on their device in IRC
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He's talking about the 2.1 build. It was still sqshfs, he's talking about converting the sqsh file to ext2...
I don't see any mention of 2.2...
I don't think it would matter. All the reading's i've done say Sense based xdandroid build's are a fair bit slower. I've personally used 1.6 android with sense, well before i started using 2.2, and i agree it was much more laggy (like a second's or more when selecting something, and also when flipping through different screen's, and sense tabs.
I wouldn't bother. Granted i LOVE sense on my touch pro, i would recommend to use the one's HTC makes (they might not SAY they did, but undeniably look identical) offered on the Market, and are pretty cheap actually. I was thinking about buying a couple, but saw some free ones that aren't THAT much difference in looks for free.
I would like to see Sense added to 2.2 if it's not hurting speed and lag though for SURE, but the 1.6 i tried for a week i stopped right away cause it was unbearable to use anymore.
The problem is that including HTC sense widgets would be illegal and infringing on htc's copyright on those widgets/design..
Well, it's no different then the available Android 1.6 w/ Sense that's been around for a while here. Not that i am agreeing on it being right or wrong of course. Course that's kind of why i was mentioning about the FREE alternatives, to avoid that debate.
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He's talking about the 2.1 build. It was still sqshfs, he's talking about converting the sqsh file to ext2...
I don't see any mention of 2.2...
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If it counts, I actually converted mine (converted the sqshfs to ext2; used an app jesusfreak mentioned when I first got on irc) but I'm not 100% sure it works
To be honest, I'm not looking for any specific aside from the launcher ( maybe ) or the theme. It ( not talking about the converted sqshfs ) was working or so I thought. I'll have to break out my 4GB microSD and extract what I had working to tell you for sure what I have working and what-not.
I have the link saved on my laptop and will be happy to share this when I get back on my computer, I'm at work currently.
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Staysafe is the app but development has been halted/abandoned (I beleive)
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I mean a real ext2 partition, not just a .ext2 compressed file..
sorry if I confused you guys
e334 said:
I mean a real ext2 partition, not just a .ext2 compressed file..
sorry if I confused you guys
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Ah, you want something like the neopeek builds
Yes, I am in the process of porting 2.2 Sense goapk from HTC Hero with sd card ext2 partition
I have not abandoned it.. just yet
so what do you guys think about google announcing the next version of android is 2.3 not 3.0, we all know that with version 3.0 (now honeycomb) will come with all the new ui changes, but what do you think will be included in 2.3?
gpu acceleration for the UI would be a serious performance boost - at least as far as 'feel' goes.
beyond that, bug fixes
I didn't think that Google had officially matched dev names to release numbers yet?
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to the same or lesser degree that 2.2 had on 2.1 users?
When did they announce that? And wasn't Eclair both 2.0 and 2.1?
ive read it still could be either 3.0 or 2.3 they havent really decided yet
Gingerbread is the update with the new UI. And there is nothing confirmed that Gingerbread is 2.3, just one message from some Google guy that includes '2.3' in it but not the word 'gingerbread'.
2.0 and 2.1 were both Eclair. Maybe 2.3 is still some froyo update?
Btw for the people that dont know, google has put the big Gingerbread statue in their HQ. It's close now.
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Gingerbread is the update with the new UI. And there is nothing confirmed that Gingerbread is 2.3, just one message from some Google guy that includes '2.3' in it but not the word 'gingerbread'.
2.0 and 2.1 were both Eclair. Maybe 2.3 is still some froyo update?
Btw for the people that dont know, google has put the big Gingerbread statue in their HQ. It's close now.
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sorry i should of rephrased my op better, it not official but has been leaked by numerious sources inside google and also in a faq for the webm video format the "gingerbread os version 2.3 will arrive 4Q 2010 We all knew that google was going to seperate android into 2 branches, the 2.x series for low to mid end devices, and the 3.x series for high end devices.. so maybe 2.3 and 3.0 will both be called gingerbread,
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sorry i should of rephrased my op better, it not official but has been leaked by numerious sources inside google and also in a faq for the webm video format the "gingerbread os version 2.3 will arrive 4Q 2010 We all knew that google was going to seperate android into 2 branches, the 2.x series for low to mid end devices, and the 3.x series for high end devices.. so maybe 2.3 and 3.0 will both be called gingerbread,
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I think so too.After all maybe that's the only way they can preserve their "superiority" to both ranges,low/mid-end and high-end.Cheaper devices will be able to have the latest software while preserving a good functionality and high-end devices will be albe to show their true potential.
That's my opinion only though...
Who cares? The features matter, not the version number.
If 2.3 brings a GPU accelerated UI, that will be awesome! I also think it could have the new media player that they've shown during the Froyo announcement.
Who cares if the name is 3.0 or 2.3. We all know that we'll get 90% better performance anyway.
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If 2.3 brings a GPU accelerated UI, that will be awesome!
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The last I heard, GPU power was the prime reason it wasn't done so priorly. So I'm very skeptical. If it is implemented, they may enable it only with specific tasks where it has greater power efficiency than currently.
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So yeah, I have a crapload of questions.
I recently asked about rooting and keeping HTC Sense. In retrospect, I don't think I'll need Sense, I just tried out AppLauncher, and I have to say, I think I'm sold on it. I'm just wondering what exactly HTC Sense has? Is there anything it has that I'll really miss? So far the only thing I can think of is the HTC Sense website for a lost phone, backing up data, and the weather widget/FriendStream...though adding Facebook to HTC sense shows all my contacts in the Phone button which is a huge piss off, but meh.
So that being said, I think I'm about ready to give rooting a shot, but now I've been confused with even more things. And the more I read the more I get confused. Especially where I have to downgrade the firmware, I'm wondering if it's still okay to do this, since the guy at Bell told me if I didn't do / get certain updates I'd have to send my phone back to HTC for repair.
There's stock Android, Cyanogen, and it seems like a million other ROMs. Which is the best to use? If I want total customizability, but also good functionality?
Finally, I'm using a Bell-branded Desire Z on the the Bell network. So Whatever I do will need to work okay with it.
As I've said, I'm totally new to this, and I'm scared to hell of bricking my phone since I just signed a contract and don't to shell out $500 bucks for a new one.
There's just so much info on this forum and it's a bit overwhelming/confusing, not that a lot of info is a bad thing, I'm just lost lol.
EDIT: If anything I wrote seems too rambling or doesn't make much sense please specify that and I'll clarify it.
cant help you root your phone but just follow the instructions that the person who writes the threads say. It's not that easy to brick your phone unless you just completely dont follow directions.
1. Downgrade is perfectly fine, it's to allow you to use a certain method to root your phone.
2. Try out different roms to see what you like, it's like asking whats your favorite video game, how can you really choose, some will agree some wont. I personally like the Miui roms which is the iphonelike and android UI mashup. the apps built in are nice on the eyes, the physics of the phones movement is very smooth, it can oc to 1.5ghz, and you can just download a launcher to replace the original if you dont like it.
3. ask the dev's on the thread if your not sure. i have no idea about bell, but it would seem that it shouldnt have any affect on rooting your phone, just maybe the radio but that is different then rooting or flashing roms.
P.S. you might miss the small things from Sense like, it looks nice, turns on fast, widgets, the dialer to search contact, incoming calls doesnt disrupt navigation, and it's original live wallpaper lol.
So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
I guess more of what I'm asking is just based on people's experiences what the best route to go is. I know there are different tastes, I'm more concerned about reliability, so I'm sure people could help with a ROM choice with that criteria.
So downgrading firmware won't affect phone performance? And can it still be reverted to stock in case the phone needs warranty repair? Just trying to cover all my bases.
And thanks, I'll ask around in the deg thread.
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So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
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There are usually apps available that provide Sense functionality to non-Sense ROMs. In regards to the above, you can try DialerOne.
To help you with the ROMs think of them in terms of how different Linux OS's are setup (if you know a bit about this).
You have the base OS's such as Cyanogen. Now some one doesn't like the look of that so they change the Frameworkres.apk to give it defferent colors, transparencies, icons and so on. Now they want a few extra apps to be included in the install so they add them to the /system/app directory or add a /data directory. Repackage it and now they have a custom OS called WINNING ROM (or whatever). These are easy to do and can be completed in a matter of minutes since there aren't any big alterations in the base coding of the OS. This is why you see a lot of ROMs that look like Cyanogens and the developer usually (and should be) states what version of some one elses ROM it's based off of.
Then you have ROMs that tweak certain parameters for speed or add other functionalities to a ROM such as a custom kernel, audio/video codecs, a2ext, compcache/linux swap, and others. Plus a complete custom UI (launcher), port parts of other ROMs such as Sense to work on their ROM, and toms of other things. These take days, weeks, or even months and usually have release cycles and updates. Cyanogen, Virtuous, Enomther, Villain, and a few others make up these ROMs.
Hope that helps with your ROM quest. It can be a bit overwhelming but remember to ask, ask, ask, and then ask some more and also read, at least the OP (original post) and a few pages past that. Some people may get upset and flame you for it but most will be glad to help in any way.
If you flash a non-Sense ROM, you will miss the HTC camera app. Its far and away better than the stock Android one, and I haven't found any Market camera apps that measure up, either. Also, the camera button on the Sense builds seems much more responsive than on CM7.
Also, I'm not sure about this, but the Sense ROMs seem to have better or more hardware codecs for playing a wider array of video formats. Lots of the videos I've tried on CM7 and CM6 are only playable using software decoding (on a variety of players, but RockPlayer is my favorite) and end up super laggy (very low frame rate) and audio way out of sync. On stock Sense and Virtuous, those videos play fine, hardware decoding, silky smooth, and audio in sync.
There are some aesthetic stuff, like HTC does some pretty significant theme changes for Sense, and you will lose customizations like the HTC Skins. And you will lose the HTC widgets (like the clocks) and apps (stocks, weather). But as mentioned, there are lots of Market apps that pretty well simulate many of the Sense apps and widgets, or are very suitable replacements.
Thanks for the detailed replies guys.
KCRic, thanks for list of known ROMs that's basically what I wanted to know, and your Linux flavour comparison helped too
Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
Thanks!
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Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
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Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
BTW, be sure to click the "Thanks" button if you found responses to be helpful!
ROM LIST
Sense ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Shokouhi 2.0
Desire S G2 Port Sense2.1
Probably others.
Froyo - Android 2.2
Virtuous
Stock ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
CyanogenMod 7
Stock Gingerbread 1.7
iceandfire 1.7
Pyromod 1.2
GingerVillian 1.5
meXdroidMod
Froyo - Android 2.2
CyanogenMod 6
Others of unimportance now.
The Other ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
MIUI (The 2.3 one)
Froyo - Android 2.2
MIUI (The 2.2 one)
LiquidVillian (Or whatever it was called.)
I probably just wasted 10 minutes of my life doing this, but meh, it was something to do.
Now to kill myself since I had to listen to Nickelback through it. Damn 4Music.
I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.
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I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.
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AOSP Based.
There should be 2 categories. CM Based and AOSP.
But I don't think there are any AOSP ROMs. Which I hate, cos when people say they've built a stock ROM, but it's based on CyanogenMod.
redpoint73 said:
Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
BTW, be sure to click the "Thanks" button if you found responses to be helpful!
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So I'm guessing no one has cooked up a weird ROM that is like Cyanogen with the Sense camera app lol.
Anywho, I really only have a couple of questions now.
Would you recommend Gingerbread or Froyo? I'm guessing Gingerbread probably runs better / is better than Froyo, but it's hard to say.
Also, how easy is it to restore my phone to factory condition if I need to?
And finally, I read the wiki, it says to make sure I have the windows USB drivers installed...do I just throw those in my windows drivers folder?
EDIT: Wanted to add, the instructiosn for recovering to stock doesn't include the version. So any help there is appreciated.
Or you know, if any of you would be so kind to PM me / add me to IM if you've done this on a Bell phone in Canada that would be awesome too
The drivers go in your Android SDK folder, where ever adb resides. At least on XP and Vista that's the case - I'm not sure if the adb issue was ever resolved in Windows 7. You could always use VM linux or dual boot linux if you like, it's much easier imo. Wubi works too I think.
When it comes to Froyo vs. Gingerbread it's literally like a linux in the sense that one is completely stable and well known by this point (Froyo) an the other is bleeding edge, not stable at times, some things are just not compatible unless you port them, and peoples knowledge base on it isn't as thorough.
I've never returned this phone to stock, which I assume you mean s-on and no superuser permissions. So I have no idea how difficult it is, though I do know you need to make sure you 100% know what you're doing before attempting it - especially if you have s-off. It's a pandoras box if you mess it up.
Ah okay, I'll definitely stick with Froyo for now then. I've always stayed 1 version behidn with Fedora lol.
I did get the drivers working, made my gold card, about to downgrade my firmware.
Are the instructions the same for 1.84.666.2 ?
Edit: Successfully rooted. Now time to find a new ROM. thanks again for all the help. Quesiton though, I have no HSDPA icon anymore...do I need a new "radio" or something?
No, it will do that and some ROMs don't have either the 'H' or the 3G' icon - just depends on the developer. You can still flash a different radio - anyone listed in the G2 radio sticky will work, flash a few and see what works best for you.
There's also a radio version/.ril file issue being debated so you might check that thread too and flash the zip provided just to be safe. I think it's in the G2 questions forum but I can't remember.