Are there any FULL AOSP (no sense at all) ROMs other than CM6 RC1? I cant stand sense and have been looking all over for a AOSP rom with working 4G and 8mp camera.
Thanks!
I could be wrong, but i think they are waiting on the kernal for the 4G. I think i read that somewhere, but like i said, i could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
CM6 has 8mp camera working. Has been since day 1. If you think it's not because it doesn't fill up the whole screen, you are mistaken. By default HTC sets it to widescreen, but at that ratio it is actually losing resolution. People need to turn the widescreen off to get the full 8mp. The 6mp (wide) setting in CM6 is comparable to the default stock HTC setting.
EDIT: and no, there isn't any other true AOSP roms besides CM6.
OT: Can someone tell me what AOSP is?
Android open source project
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Android Open Source Project
edit: Oops, you beat me to it. I should refresh more often before posting i guess
More specifically, it is the absolute base of the Android operating system. It is where all the phone developers start, but then they weave in a bunch of their own custom software. I think the phone manufaturers want to differentiate each other and give them more of a brand (i.e. Sense). It's all fine and dandy, but some people just like to have the true base of the Android system and then choose what apps they clutter it up with instead of it being cluttered up to begin with.
Awesome, thanks for the explanation. AOSP sounds EXACTLY like what I'm looking for as I want to build my own android from the ground up...
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I could be wrong, but i think they are waiting on the kernal for the 4G. I think i read that somewhere, but like i said, i could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Cyanogen is waiting on the kernel for 4G? There are plenty of custom froyo roms with root access and working 4G but none that dont have sense. Am I really the only one who hates sense? I cant believe that every custom froyo rom has sense!
Just download any rom, and run ADW instead. The only thing you're losing is the space on your phone that sense takes up, big deal.
ADW is the launcher used in CM, so if you liked that, you can have your stock froyo and 4g.
Also, it's your phone, and that's why we are here, to make our phones look and perform how we want, but what is it about sense that you hate? I personally think it brings a more human feel to Android. I ran with CM6 for like 5 days, and while it's a great ROM, I just missed the things sense gives you. I actually got better benchmarks on DC 3.5 than CM6 too, even though there is no actual noticible difference between the two performance wise.
A lot of people say that Sense isn't needed since 2.2, but I disagree, it's not just about the functionality, it's about the form too. Sense just plain looks better. It give the phone a more polished feel. Stock android is very Spartan, very cold. Some people like that I guess.
I for one don't like the forced integration of things like facebook in sense. I run a very spartan (to use your terminology) setup... I like clean... Same with my desktop pc. I don't like desktop icons either
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the HTC 4G stack is propriartary. CM is AOSP.
Clearwire released their 4G implementation a few weeks ago. someone is actively working to get it working on the EVO.
we are impatiently waiting for 4G. only ROM's that are Sense based currently have 4G. AOSP will not. perhaps this week
and no...you are FAR from the only one that is happy to be rid of HTC Sense.
What about getting the stock Froyo keyboard? How do we get that on a sense rom?
Some people made 2.1 roms that were sense, but had most of the AOSP apps swapped in and sense replacements removed.
There are a couple kinda like that for 2.2, Android Central has a stripped rom, and FroYo fusion has a senseless version, but I haven't used it or even seen screenshots, so I don't know what it is like.
Avalaunch started on an AOSP 2.1 build, but he kinda scrapped it for his custom Sense stuff.
Right now the CM team is implementing everything from scratch, which is why some things don't work like 4G, and HDMI. No other phones had this before. The reason all the Sense Roms work is because the sense framework has all the parts that are needed.
One nice thing about CM is if you don't install gapps, you can get the source code to every bit of the OS running on your phone.
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Just download any rom, and run ADW instead. The only thing you're losing is the space on your phone that sense takes up, big deal.
ADW is the launcher used in CM, so if you liked that, you can have your stock froyo and 4g.
Also, it's your phone, and that's why we are here, to make our phones look and perform how we want, but what is it about sense that you hate? I personally think it brings a more human feel to Android. I ran with CM6 for like 5 days, and while it's a great ROM, I just missed the things sense gives you. I actually got better benchmarks on DC 3.5 than CM6 too, even though there is no actual noticible difference between the two performance wise.
A lot of people say that Sense isn't needed since 2.2, but I disagree, it's not just about the functionality, it's about the form too. Sense just plain looks better. It give the phone a more polished feel. Stock android is very Spartan, very cold. Some people like that I guess.
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with sense you cant use wii controller
htc limit the capacities of you device i dont know why!!
-limit performance
-limit graphics
-limit bluetooth
limit limit limit!!!
the only thing missing on cm6 is 4g with that it will be perfect
Exchange support is missing from CM 6 also.
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with sense you cant use wii controller
htc limit the capacities of you device i dont know why!!
-limit performance
-limit graphics
-limit bluetooth
limit limit limit!!!
the only thing missing on cm6 is 4g with that it will be perfect
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lulz.....
Yeah, don't get me wrong, I find it frustrating, but they do it because their target audience isn't people like you and me. They use a custom bluetooth stack so they have control over it, it is easier for them to make sure that everyone's expensive headset and car stereo work. They limit performance and graphics to get better battery life and stability. They created Sense to make the interface more appealing to people who would otherwise be turned off by AOSP and buy an iPhone instead (even though Android is WAY better for social networking integration).
I'm kinda bummed we haven't been able to just grab N1 roms and hack them over more often. It's kinda strange. The Aria (Liberty) had an AOSP Legend port within weeks of release. Here we are 2 full months out and we have ROMs based off HTC's work, and CM. That's it.
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Exchange support is missing from CM 6 also.
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Also FM Radio, HDMI output, updating PRL.
Not complaining about the team douche work, but more that we don't have other devs working on AOSP. I don't care much about the missing features, and run CM as my daily. Sometimes I'll flash to a sense ROM to get 4G for tethering to my PC, but this is rare, and nandroid makes it very quick to flash back and forth when needed.
Actually... I thought Exchange support was there but just having issues for some (possibly many) people.
Antebios said:
Exchange support is missing from CM 6 also.
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this is totally wrong. I live on Exchange daily for work. if CM6 were not able to get my exchange email or notify me properly I would be using it. I have been on CM6 since RC1 second day and most of the nightly builds since.
please check your resources before posting such statements.
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Just download any rom, and run ADW instead. The only thing you're losing is the space on your phone that sense takes up, big deal.
ADW is the launcher used in CM, so if you liked that, you can have your stock froyo and 4g.
Also, it's your phone, and that's why we are here, to make our phones look and perform how we want
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Youre right about ADW.. I already downloaded that launcher. However, I like the custom themes that come with the non sense ROMs. Such as CM6's music player, or the window pane (if you will) theme for the camera, etc. If you dont know how to program, which i dont, you are somewhat limited with what you can do in terms of customization.
DraginMagik said:
the HTC 4G stack is propriartary. CM is AOSP.
Clearwire released their 4G implementation a few weeks ago. someone is actively working to get it working on the EVO.
we are impatiently waiting for 4G. only ROM's that are Sense based currently have 4G. AOSP will not. perhaps this week
and no...you are FAR from the only one that is happy to be rid of HTC Sense.
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This sounds like GREAT news to me. I hope youre correct. I think im just gonna go back to CM6 for now. It was a great rom and I can only use 4G at work so its not that big of a deal to me. The only other issue I had with CM6 was the inability to split a >160 character text message into two messages.
Can anyone remind me if the 8mp camera was working? I cant remember which kernel cm6 used.
The 8mp camara works. When you click the settings on the right of the screen the settings within the box that pops out scroll. 8mp is selected by defult
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Well its official, Evo is getting 2.2 tommorow.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/evo-4gs-android-2-2-update-starts-trickling-out-tomorrow-loads/
SO my question is...Stock OTA 2.2 or should I root and go for Cyanogenmod?
iball8888 said:
Well its official, Evo is getting 2.2 tommorow.
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/evo-4gs-android-2-2-update-starts-trickling-out-tomorrow-loads/
SO my question is...Stock OTA 2.2 or should I root and go for Cyanogenmod?
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I'm running CM6 now and I miss Sense, so I am going to install a rooted verison of the 2.2 OTA ASAP. The Evo is doesn't feel like the Evo without Sense, IMO.
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I'm running CM6 now and I miss Sense, so I am going to install a rooted verison of the 2.2 OTA ASAP. The Evo is doesn't feel like the Evo without Sense, IMO.
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wut ! lol CM6 = win
ASOP lacks polish in a few areas. SMS, dialer, contacts, call log.
It's beyond lack of polish really, it's like it was rushed and just thrown in as an after thought.
Sense in those same areas, especially the dialer, is much better.
All personal opinionthough as some people hate sense as much as I dislike ASOP.
You can easily find (often better) replacements for sense functions in the market. just sayin.
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You can easily find (often better) replacements for sense functions in the market. just sayin.
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true story
Copy-Paste in Sense, it pwns n00bs
Once the official 2.2 comes out it will make AOSP all that much better. The little bugs that are currently in cm6 will be rather shortly I bet. There are only two features of sence that I like over also...cut and paste and no hassle Facebook sync of contacts with birthdays and calander events.
With the release of the oficial froyo, cyanogen would get better, cyanogen would have everything working...
Remember when roms didnt have everything working, after htc release the source and 1.47 OTA, then in days the roms get everything working...
I got over 1600 in quadrant and 49.6 in linpack using cm6... for me, the root its the way to go...
I think the real question is, are you willing to flash stock 2.2 and lose root, possibly forever?
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ASOP lacks polish in a few areas. SMS, dialer, contacts, call log.
It's beyond lack of polish really, it's like it was rushed and just thrown in as an after thought.
Sense in those same areas, especially the dialer, is much better.
All personal opinionthough as some people hate sense as much as I dislike ASOP.
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It may lack polish, but Sense looks worn out.
Furthermore, although I agree the Sense dialer is better, the stock messaging app is better than the Sense version. The Sense version has a brief loading screen every time you open a thread, even if there is a single message in the tread. In addition, the stock messaging app shows your friends' gtalk status, which is a great feature.
Honestly, Sense means nothing to me.
Sense for WinMo makes sense...its need because Winmo navigation and such sucks. But Android does most of what Sense does in stock. I don;t see the big the deal about Sense.
Really it just depends on your personal preference. AOSP is great and has its weaknesses... as well as Sense. Try running both ROMs once they are officially released for a couple of days... see which one you like. Each user is different and uses their Evo differently than others... so it just comes down to preference.
Eep...DARN YOU PERSONAL PREFERNCE!!!
I was hoping someone would mention if there are huge bug fixes and more features compared to stock.
iball8888 said:
Eep...DARN YOU PERSONAL PREFERNCE!!!
I was hoping someone would mention if there are huge bug fixes and more features compared to stock.
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You will have alot more features with cyanogen then you will with stock... thats for sure
Yep...your linpack score will go up about 1-2% with cm6. Of course does it really make a difference? Don't know myself, going from baked snack to cm6 and linpack score of 9ish to 40ish didn't make a difference in anything I saw, and I missed Sense (personal preference and all).
The benefit of this forum and all the development here?
cm6 will only be one of many different 2.2 roms you will be able to try out. Have fun trying them all...I did, and I can't wait to try some new ones in the coming days and weeks! And it only takes 5 to 10th minutes to flash a new ROM and restore my titanium backup.
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I love Cyanogen 6, with a few exceptions.
#1 I like Sense widgets, I have looked for replacements on the market, but there is just no replacement. I have liked Rosie since it was leaked on the G1 a year ago.
#2 4G is coming to my area soon, and although I am sure Cyanogen will have fixed it given the next roll out, Froyo + Sense is all I am really after.
#3 In my opinion, its people like Cyanogen, Toast and friends that push HTC/Google to push out these ROMs. Sprint even included their own wireless tether thanks to the community.
#4 With the New advocation of Cellphone Hacking, there will be leaps and bounds with the next ROMs. I suspect that this roll out is just the beginning.
The only thing I would like in my Sense ROM is the Dialer from Cyanogen.
SilverZero said:
I think the real question is, are you willing to flash stock 2.2 and lose root, possibly forever?
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if this idea was possible then NO NEVER.
but..
inconceivable!
CM6 is very good, but lacks here and there because it's based off 2.2 from the Nexus. Even if some of the functions of the Evo were made to work, the code might not be as clean as a native Evo rom. I'm thinking Cyanogen may move all of his *extra* developments for the Evo over to the native 2.2 base. I can't wait to see what he does with it now that he doesn't have to worry so much about making all the stock functions of the Evo work
Sense >>> AOSP, just disable Rosie and use Launcher Pro.
CyanogenMod is still buggy and incomplete so the OTA tomorrow will be a much better at least for a while.
As a developer myself, just no in the tech field, I find it helpful to know what other want so that I can produce the best. I'm sure that most of you do this because it's something that YOU personally want and or like. I deeply appreciate the work that has gone into such wonderful ROM's and I can't wait to see more.
As for me, I've tried out RR, CM, SR, Frank, Jager, ASOP, and a few other odds and ends.
It seems to me there should be a blend. A blend between Sense and well....nonsense.
Currently, I'm on the Ultimate ASOP. This ROM has been amazing because of the ability to customize. Like every ROM, there are quirks or just small things that bother me, but it's SOOOO close to greatness, IMHO. I like a lot about a lot of ROMS but if they're lacking Sense then I miss that. If they have Sense, I miss the customizing of the Non Sense. My question is, can the two be made to be CommonSense?
What I'm talking about is a ROM that combines a little bit of the HTC Sense side with the applications and setting and customization of the Non HTC Sense ROMs. For instance, the email application in the Driod root IMHO opinion is much better then the Sense one. You can easily check multiple emails and the default background is back. What if you could have Sense, but change the lock screen to something different and be able to add different themes easily? There are several instances where the two could be combined to make CommonSense. And, if you have some ideas please share!
I guess i'm just looking for ideas from others that I can take a pitch to a Chef along with a few $$$ to make a ROM that'll do just that. Is there anyone else that thinks the same or I am the only one riding the HellaNoSense boat?
check out IncDoes AOSP. but you should have posted in q/a or general for future reference
This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
i prefer a sense based rom with virtually every sense component gutted aside from dialer and contacts (and other key vital stuff). most users use launcher pro, yet most devs seem to focus their [sense] work around modified rosie. Which doesnt seem to make a ton of sense to me. im sure the launcher pro dev would allow the use of his work cooked into roms with his permission right?
SLOflatlander said:
i prefer a sense based rom with virtually every sense component gutted aside from dialer and contacts (and other key vital stuff). most users use launcher pro, yet most devs seem to focus their [sense] work around modified rosie. Which doesnt seem to make a ton of sense to me. im sure the launcher pro dev would allow the use of his work cooked into roms with his permission right?
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actually no. LP isnt open source. thats also whay CM uses ADW rather than LP
How about a JD froyo MASH-UP! That wud b hot! You know, cause a phone that won't boot gets the best battery life
Edit: I LOVED SR vanilla, but it's a little long in the tooth... at least for now. I still have issues with AOSP stability. But I haven't flashed anything new in a month so maybe I'm full of it.
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This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
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Yeap. This.
Minimalism.
Bare bones, minimal special effects, no clutter.
Basically a tiling WM or Openbox layout with basic text menus or no menus with touch commands.
Hopefully I'll be able to get into cooking whenever I get my machine in order. I've been wanting to actually contribute to some coding/hacking projects but I've never found anything of interest that would motivate me... until now :3
BigTSetter said:
... For instance, the email application in the Driod root IMHO opinion is much better then the Sense one. You can easily check multiple emails and the default background is back......
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FYI: the new Sense lets you multi select in the mail widget...Desire HD/Z
I love sense but need a landscape homescreen! I wish rosie could do this because adw and LP drive me nuts! Currently ruining SR. 3.3.3 but will make the switch when I find something that suits my needs...the reason...I frequently use a car dock and I'm on the road for at least2 hours a day
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All I would like is someone to modify the bluetooth stack to support bluetooth keyboards (I have an old iGo keyboard).
I'm still hoping for a webOS port even though that's probably not gonna happen ever
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I'm still hoping for a webOS port even though that's probably not gonna happen ever
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Want. I just wish android took more looks from webOS. It is so beautiful!
The look & feel of the new Sense UI (The Desire Z ROM specifically), the fastest and most optimized speed possible, working camera w/ 720p video (only thing wrong with Desire Z ROM, imo), lots of free memory, clear of all the bloatware apps, aaaaaaaaaaaaand.... Ability to quickly change theme settings (transparency, selection colors, etc).
Oh, and great dev support.
ToyTank said:
How about a JD froyo MASH-UP! That wud b hot! You know, cause a phone that won't boot gets the best battery life
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Bahahaha!!
DS36 said:
This incredible forums is in desperate need for vanailla Roms AND ASOP kernels
DESPERATE NEED
VANILLA ROMS ARE THE BEST performing and give the most memory
we have great phones and we havent taken full advantage imo from what i have seen so far
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http://www.droidforums.net/forum/lithiummod/89559-lithium-mod-returns-more-devices.html
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My perfect rom would be:
Sense based Vanilla rom
htc keyboard
htc camera
htc gallery
htc contacts
either HTC facebook or contacts syncable with market facebook.
emmc working properly
adw built in
customizations avalable in cyanogen's latest rom
power widget built in to notification pull down.
figure out how to change the answer/silence to tabs
reboot option in power menu
6 signal bars
htc battery icon with %
keep the colored sense settings menu icons.
tab or rotary music controls (hidden when not in use)
thats all i can think of.
Having tried just about every ROM out there (and a couple of them a number of times) I think the problem I run into is there are little things here and there that I like about each.
All of our tastes are different, thus we like different things. Some people like the circle battery mod, some people like the rotary lock screen, etc etc...
What would be really cool is if there were a way to easily choose the specific mods you wanted... kinda like picking out options on a new car.
Ultimately, I think the answer is a dev that is willing to build you a custom ROM to your exact specifications. Of course, this would come with a price tag, but hey, it's exactly what you wanted (and it would be worth it IMO... any takers LOL).
In the meantime, I'm trying to figure out how to get what it is that I want and experiment. It's been fun, frustrating at times, and I still don't have everything I like, but at least we have lots of options to choose from, and I'm learning something new in the process
Is it not possible to build a Rom with a bunch of on off switches that allow you to select sense or no sense , or give you the option for circle battery vs stock ....
IMO.... this would be the ULTIMATE Rom .....
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@ The OP: Maybe you should initiate a poll.
So yeah, I have a crapload of questions.
I recently asked about rooting and keeping HTC Sense. In retrospect, I don't think I'll need Sense, I just tried out AppLauncher, and I have to say, I think I'm sold on it. I'm just wondering what exactly HTC Sense has? Is there anything it has that I'll really miss? So far the only thing I can think of is the HTC Sense website for a lost phone, backing up data, and the weather widget/FriendStream...though adding Facebook to HTC sense shows all my contacts in the Phone button which is a huge piss off, but meh.
So that being said, I think I'm about ready to give rooting a shot, but now I've been confused with even more things. And the more I read the more I get confused. Especially where I have to downgrade the firmware, I'm wondering if it's still okay to do this, since the guy at Bell told me if I didn't do / get certain updates I'd have to send my phone back to HTC for repair.
There's stock Android, Cyanogen, and it seems like a million other ROMs. Which is the best to use? If I want total customizability, but also good functionality?
Finally, I'm using a Bell-branded Desire Z on the the Bell network. So Whatever I do will need to work okay with it.
As I've said, I'm totally new to this, and I'm scared to hell of bricking my phone since I just signed a contract and don't to shell out $500 bucks for a new one.
There's just so much info on this forum and it's a bit overwhelming/confusing, not that a lot of info is a bad thing, I'm just lost lol.
EDIT: If anything I wrote seems too rambling or doesn't make much sense please specify that and I'll clarify it.
cant help you root your phone but just follow the instructions that the person who writes the threads say. It's not that easy to brick your phone unless you just completely dont follow directions.
1. Downgrade is perfectly fine, it's to allow you to use a certain method to root your phone.
2. Try out different roms to see what you like, it's like asking whats your favorite video game, how can you really choose, some will agree some wont. I personally like the Miui roms which is the iphonelike and android UI mashup. the apps built in are nice on the eyes, the physics of the phones movement is very smooth, it can oc to 1.5ghz, and you can just download a launcher to replace the original if you dont like it.
3. ask the dev's on the thread if your not sure. i have no idea about bell, but it would seem that it shouldnt have any affect on rooting your phone, just maybe the radio but that is different then rooting or flashing roms.
P.S. you might miss the small things from Sense like, it looks nice, turns on fast, widgets, the dialer to search contact, incoming calls doesnt disrupt navigation, and it's original live wallpaper lol.
So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
I guess more of what I'm asking is just based on people's experiences what the best route to go is. I know there are different tastes, I'm more concerned about reliability, so I'm sure people could help with a ROM choice with that criteria.
So downgrading firmware won't affect phone performance? And can it still be reverted to stock in case the phone needs warranty repair? Just trying to cover all my bases.
And thanks, I'll ask around in the deg thread.
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So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
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There are usually apps available that provide Sense functionality to non-Sense ROMs. In regards to the above, you can try DialerOne.
To help you with the ROMs think of them in terms of how different Linux OS's are setup (if you know a bit about this).
You have the base OS's such as Cyanogen. Now some one doesn't like the look of that so they change the Frameworkres.apk to give it defferent colors, transparencies, icons and so on. Now they want a few extra apps to be included in the install so they add them to the /system/app directory or add a /data directory. Repackage it and now they have a custom OS called WINNING ROM (or whatever). These are easy to do and can be completed in a matter of minutes since there aren't any big alterations in the base coding of the OS. This is why you see a lot of ROMs that look like Cyanogens and the developer usually (and should be) states what version of some one elses ROM it's based off of.
Then you have ROMs that tweak certain parameters for speed or add other functionalities to a ROM such as a custom kernel, audio/video codecs, a2ext, compcache/linux swap, and others. Plus a complete custom UI (launcher), port parts of other ROMs such as Sense to work on their ROM, and toms of other things. These take days, weeks, or even months and usually have release cycles and updates. Cyanogen, Virtuous, Enomther, Villain, and a few others make up these ROMs.
Hope that helps with your ROM quest. It can be a bit overwhelming but remember to ask, ask, ask, and then ask some more and also read, at least the OP (original post) and a few pages past that. Some people may get upset and flame you for it but most will be glad to help in any way.
If you flash a non-Sense ROM, you will miss the HTC camera app. Its far and away better than the stock Android one, and I haven't found any Market camera apps that measure up, either. Also, the camera button on the Sense builds seems much more responsive than on CM7.
Also, I'm not sure about this, but the Sense ROMs seem to have better or more hardware codecs for playing a wider array of video formats. Lots of the videos I've tried on CM7 and CM6 are only playable using software decoding (on a variety of players, but RockPlayer is my favorite) and end up super laggy (very low frame rate) and audio way out of sync. On stock Sense and Virtuous, those videos play fine, hardware decoding, silky smooth, and audio in sync.
There are some aesthetic stuff, like HTC does some pretty significant theme changes for Sense, and you will lose customizations like the HTC Skins. And you will lose the HTC widgets (like the clocks) and apps (stocks, weather). But as mentioned, there are lots of Market apps that pretty well simulate many of the Sense apps and widgets, or are very suitable replacements.
Thanks for the detailed replies guys.
KCRic, thanks for list of known ROMs that's basically what I wanted to know, and your Linux flavour comparison helped too
Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
Thanks!
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Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
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Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
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ROM LIST
Sense ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Shokouhi 2.0
Desire S G2 Port Sense2.1
Probably others.
Froyo - Android 2.2
Virtuous
Stock ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
CyanogenMod 7
Stock Gingerbread 1.7
iceandfire 1.7
Pyromod 1.2
GingerVillian 1.5
meXdroidMod
Froyo - Android 2.2
CyanogenMod 6
Others of unimportance now.
The Other ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
MIUI (The 2.3 one)
Froyo - Android 2.2
MIUI (The 2.2 one)
LiquidVillian (Or whatever it was called.)
I probably just wasted 10 minutes of my life doing this, but meh, it was something to do.
Now to kill myself since I had to listen to Nickelback through it. Damn 4Music.
I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.
redpoint73 said:
I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.
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AOSP Based.
There should be 2 categories. CM Based and AOSP.
But I don't think there are any AOSP ROMs. Which I hate, cos when people say they've built a stock ROM, but it's based on CyanogenMod.
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Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
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So I'm guessing no one has cooked up a weird ROM that is like Cyanogen with the Sense camera app lol.
Anywho, I really only have a couple of questions now.
Would you recommend Gingerbread or Froyo? I'm guessing Gingerbread probably runs better / is better than Froyo, but it's hard to say.
Also, how easy is it to restore my phone to factory condition if I need to?
And finally, I read the wiki, it says to make sure I have the windows USB drivers installed...do I just throw those in my windows drivers folder?
EDIT: Wanted to add, the instructiosn for recovering to stock doesn't include the version. So any help there is appreciated.
Or you know, if any of you would be so kind to PM me / add me to IM if you've done this on a Bell phone in Canada that would be awesome too
The drivers go in your Android SDK folder, where ever adb resides. At least on XP and Vista that's the case - I'm not sure if the adb issue was ever resolved in Windows 7. You could always use VM linux or dual boot linux if you like, it's much easier imo. Wubi works too I think.
When it comes to Froyo vs. Gingerbread it's literally like a linux in the sense that one is completely stable and well known by this point (Froyo) an the other is bleeding edge, not stable at times, some things are just not compatible unless you port them, and peoples knowledge base on it isn't as thorough.
I've never returned this phone to stock, which I assume you mean s-on and no superuser permissions. So I have no idea how difficult it is, though I do know you need to make sure you 100% know what you're doing before attempting it - especially if you have s-off. It's a pandoras box if you mess it up.
Ah okay, I'll definitely stick with Froyo for now then. I've always stayed 1 version behidn with Fedora lol.
I did get the drivers working, made my gold card, about to downgrade my firmware.
Are the instructions the same for 1.84.666.2 ?
Edit: Successfully rooted. Now time to find a new ROM. thanks again for all the help. Quesiton though, I have no HSDPA icon anymore...do I need a new "radio" or something?
No, it will do that and some ROMs don't have either the 'H' or the 3G' icon - just depends on the developer. You can still flash a different radio - anyone listed in the G2 radio sticky will work, flash a few and see what works best for you.
There's also a radio version/.ril file issue being debated so you might check that thread too and flash the zip provided just to be safe. I think it's in the G2 questions forum but I can't remember.
OK so i was originally on a Deodexed Stock Rom with no mods or anything like that other than it was Deodexed.
My phone was blazing fast then, and still is IF i flash back to that rom. IM now running the latest Virtuous Sense Rom. Heres my issue. I use advanced task killer which displays the available memory after you kill the apps.
On the stock deodexed Rom after killing apps i had around 375M of available memory. Now that i'm on sense, i get about 81 on average, and after killing some services i can get up to 120 max, but thats it.
Is there any way i can get it back up in the 300 range? I want my phone to be fast (Who doesnt) but i REALLYY dont want to have to revert back to stock in order to do that.
I assume you have a Desire Z because if you have a G2 then you're comparing apples to oranges.
I know the .odex is sort of a preloaded portion of the app or something along those lines (it's been awhile). So my guess it that instead of part of the app being contained in the .odex file contained in /system it's loaded into the RAM instead on a deodexed ROM. That would be why you have less RAM.
I could just be talking out of my a$$ though since it's been a long time since I've cared to read about odex vs deodex. It was a pretty big argument back in the day over which was faster.
I actually have a g2 by tmobile. What do u mean im comparing apples to oranges though?
Sense sucks your phone's resources into a black hole.
It's pretty and has a number of attractive features over Vanilla Android (nice dialler, consistent copy/paste features, nice browser), and I used to love it. But like you, I got annoyed at the phone constantly reloading apps (and browser pages) when I went back to them because of low RAM. Eventually I grew to love Vanilla (well, CM-based) ROMs. Just wipe that Sense off and see an instant performance improvement!
Really i love sense for the dialer/contacts. if i could find a rom with a smart dialer like sense AND the option to text a number thru the dialer unlike vanilla android id go back in a flash. but i havent found that yet =/
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I actually have a g2 by tmobile. What do u mean im comparing apples to oranges though?
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Because the stock G2 is *almost* a vanilla ROM (aosp), not Sense. Look at the size of a Sense ROM download, then compare that to the size of a Cyanogen ROM. Still wonder why Sense ROMs have less available? They are a whole different item. It's like comparing a bike to a car.
Overclock it! I always OC sense tons. If you did already and still not happy with the speed then you will need to ditch sense.
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reasons why i love sense
the contact dialer
and the push to focus on video.
i NEED the push to focus on video haha.
if sense had these than i would never look at SENSE roms ever again. haha.
You can give MIUI a try?
I think it's "prettier" than cyanogen, but not as much of a resource-hog as sense.
They've ALMOST got all the kinks out. I'm a fan =)
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Really i love sense for the dialer/contacts. if i could find a rom with a smart dialer like sense AND the option to text a number thru the dialer unlike vanilla android id go back in a flash. but i havent found that yet =/
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TouchPal Dialer.
I use it with CYM7
moSess said:
TouchPal Dialer.
I use it with CYM7
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yes but the most important thing i need is TOUCH TO FOCUS on VIDEO RECORDING. -_____-
and also the video on hd is limited to 10 minutes.
So, I've long been a Sense lover but I think I'm ready to CM7 but have a few questions.
Basically, what's the cons from switching from Sense to CM7? I know you don't have ESPT and 720p recording. What are some other differences?
You don't have any of the Sense apps. What you think of as stock is part of Sense, AOSP either doesn't have the app or has a different version. The phone, contacts, and sms apps are different. There's no social networking apps built in, you'll have to download them from the Market. You'll need to flash the gapps zip, which will give you the Google apps and allow you to sync your Gmail, contacts, calendar, etc and access the Market. The stock email app is different. I personally prefer AOSP over Sense, specifically MIUI, but a lot of people like the Sense apps and launcher.
As long as you do a nandroid backup, you can always get back to where you were on your current Sense rom if you don't like it.
Sometimes there's GPS issues with AOSP roms, if you have problems there are fixes available.
You asked for the cons, so that's what I gave you. But really, I like AOSP more. There are plenty of pros as well, just flash and see if it's for you.
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AOSP Roms are known for having GPS problems. I loved cm7 but I could never get my GPS right. You can't use Sense widgets on cm7 obviously. There aren't many drawbacks to getting it to be honest. The only thing that ruined it for me was GPS. Tried every fix. I'm happy with MIUI now. 4g works fine so you're good to go with cm7. Just make sure you always have a backup.
PS person above me is a beast, just sayin'
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Thanks for your responses. I don't use widgets anymore which is why I figured I might try CM. Although I must admit I like the Sense messaging, e-mail, etc so that might take some getting used to. But I think I'm going to dive in and see what it's like so thanks again for the clarification.
BTW, I'm from Greensboro
Check out the thread below if you do decide to go with
I would also recommend launcher pro and handcent
Having trouble with AOSP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1295702
Decks or eXplod IMO are better than cm, don't have the gps issues either.
My knocked up EVO
I use CM7 and my GPS works perfectly. The only widget I use is Widgetsoid. I love CM7 and I think it works great.
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I am currently running cm 7.1,and i love it.no problems anywhere.....except batt.life is the worst ive seen with the cm dynasty.personally,cm 7.0.3.1 is the best one so far.it depends on preference as to what rom to go with
Used it for awhile. I didn't like the blandness of it and the fact that you basically need to theme it for any type of eye candy.
The other is that if you go back and look at all the unrecoverable boot loop/white screen of death posts, almost all were running CM7, which may be me being paranoid, but it was enough for me, personally, to not use it.
MIUI FTW!
I agree with MIUI. GPS is good.
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I'm in agreement with the other posters. AOSP is where it's at. The only things I miss from Sense ROMs are the FriendStream widget and HTC's calendar. I used to miss the spit-and-polish from Sense, but the quality of themes available for MIUI have made that a non-issue. With the way you can mix n' match theme elements, I find I can put together something FAR more attractive than stock Sense. This may just be my experience, but themes for Sense ROMs seem to cause more aggravation than they are worth. I always seem to get some pretty erratic performance with any kind of theme applied to Sense.
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ryan prevatt said:
I am currently running cm 7.1,and i love it.no problems anywhere.....except batt.life is the worst ive seen with the cm dynasty.personally,cm 7.0.3.1 is the best one so far.it depends on preference as to what rom to go with
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What kernel are you using? I found that Savaged Zen with SBC off works like magic with my battery. I've been stunned at how much better my battery has been.