ive just read on engadget about lg optimus 3d
wondering what os will be running on this beast i thought if wp7 may be the one.
i bet with some quick improovements wp7 os will look awesome in real 3d
what do you think?
does wp7 have a 3D future ?
No, and do we need it on any phone? No. Its a gimmick that wont catch on.
The new DS has it, and apparently no one cares.
Unless i'm mistaken the Optimus line is Android. But you are right WP7 would be the best looking 3d os ever as icons on a grid is all very 2d and i think the display would be wasted.
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No, and do we need it on any phone? No. Its a gimmick that wont catch on.
The new DS has it, and apparently no one cares.
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I would care unless it looked wish washy like some 3d movies do and just strain the eyes. This is why WP7 would be great in 3d, its simple bold design and transitions would look great.
lumpaywk said:
I would care unless it looked wish washy like some 3d movies do and just strain the eyes. This is why WP7 would be great in 3d, its simple bold design and transitions would look great.
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That still hasn't answered the fundamental question: Who actually thinks 3D is anything other than a gimmick on phones?
In fact, things tend to look less real in 3D don't you think? And on a 4inch screen, you'll simply be wondering what the hell is going on down there.
3D is an abomination that needs to go.
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That still hasn't answered the fundamental question: Who actually thinks 3D is anything other than a gimmick on phones?
In fact, things tend to look less real in 3D don't you think? And on a 4inch screen, you'll simply be wondering what the hell is going on down there.
3D is an abomination that needs to go.
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Isnt almost everything a gimmick on a phone these days ie album art on music, bounce back effects on menus, nice transitions between screen etc but without this stuff what are you left with? Something that works but will bore you to death. Yes 3d is not needed its over the top slightly stupid and a waste of anyones time, but, wouldn't it be pretty kewl lol.
yea its not like this 3D is like hologram ala star trek which comes out of the screen, but its a start.
since i never had a nintendo 3ds in my hands i cant judge it. but ive followed it since it became first announced, glass free 3D was the next step and im very curious how good it works.
shutter glass 3D is pretty awesome with animated movies.
gimick only!?, well ... they will be plenty of games using 3D
not sure if ull watch lots of 3D movies.
and im not sure how good taken 3D pictures look, but i imagen it kinda nice.
and also talking about gimicks, is the rentina display is not nearly as awesome as a glass free 3D screen!?
next step after 3D will be "beamer" "hologramm" like displays, heh maybe stuff like you see in the game dead space....
dreams come true if you just work hard enough....
you do know prolonged viewing of 3D is not great for your eyes even nintendo has a warning that you shouldnt be playing it for long terms.
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yea its not like this 3D is like hologram ala star trek which comes out of the screen, but its a start.
since i never had a nintendo 3ds in my hands i cant judge it. but ive followed it since it became first announced, glass free 3D was the next step and im very curious how good it works.
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Let's think about Star Trek later. WP7 is a long way back in the past and has to catch up with the present first.
Even when it comes to gaming, there is no standard controller for WP7. Navigate a 3D area by smudging your hands over the screen? First things first.
Mmm is that not an issue faced across all platforms? lol
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Let's think about Star Trek later. WP7 is a long way back in the past and has to catch up with the present first.
Even when it comes to gaming, there is no standard controller for WP7. Navigate a 3D area by smudging your hands over the screen? First things first.
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i see your point, but always remember wp7 is new.
true its lacking some features, but its mostly its only software.
it just hasnt been programmed yet.
i think the first iphone was much worse then the wp7 fundament.
we got most of the basic stuff covered..
now its slowly about getting it better and better.
as long as the hardware can keep up, i think we will be fine.
i just hope they wont stop support it in later revisions
like apple does with their phones.
and i dont see much of a problem with navigating 3D space
while its not the best idea to touch the phone to navigate on the 3d display i belive, there are plenty of control shemes in future:
mind controll - thought2text & thought2navigate
maybe a little far, but not as far as you might think.
kinect gesture based input - already used in many homes, why not on your phone. 2 front cameras and lets have fun.. maybe kinda weird but hey, sign language with your phone.
2nd touch screen - maybe on the back.
hardware buttons - meh, but should work (bluetooth controlled hardware buttons, more nice)
but maybe it wont be 3d screen.
i almost forgot about crystal clear flexible screen... damn i love the future..
lets see:
Nokia Morph - running WP7 in 3D with included kinect.
but hey, first things first, let me jump onto another cloud....
Oh, PLEASE give me a phone that can make me sick and give me a headache! That would be awesome!
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Oh, PLEASE give me a phone that can make me sick and give me a headache! That would be awesome!
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like those GSM/CDMA ones?
lol how do they cause headaches and illness
just a little kiddin, but to tell the truth, nobody really knows what all these frequences do to humans. cancer and ****, headaches only the smallest problems.
but i can imagen 3D will hurt eyes after some time and because of that you might get headaches...
guess I have to be the one to say what everyone's thinking, the only reason you want 3D is for pron, erm I mean "internet research"
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No, and do we need it on any phone? No. Its a gimmick that wont catch on.
The new DS has it, and apparently no one cares.
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Actually, lots of people care. I played it at E3 last year and it had the biggest line going--even bigger than the Kinect. The screen is gorgeous and the 3D works strikingly well. Anticipation for the device is already pretty huge.
That said, I agree with you that 3D, generally, is just a gimmick that's failing. I have no doubt that's the reason why 3DS has a slider with the ability to completely disable the 3D feature--just in case . 3DTV's--even glasses free models--are failing as fast as the industry can make them. It's pretty clear by now that audiences just plain don't give a **** about 3D.
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I just recently bought a Palm Pre and returned it, hated it! So I bought the touch pro knowing it cam out almost a year ago (impulse buy). Now I am just curious, I know the touch pro 2 is coming to sprint, but its rumored that the hero will be out for sprint later this year, possibly December. Which one should i wait for?
i think major difference is the qwerty keyboard so decide if you need this or not.
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i think major difference is the qwerty keyboard so decide if you need this or not.
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+ one is android and other WM, usually a big difference depending on what you like.
That will depend on what is for you need the device
TP2: Buissness oriented device with the second best physical keyboard (1st is from Universal)
Hero: Multimedia oriented device with an OS tha promises a lot in the future, by now it needs to grow up and madurate
Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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Haha, yeah I know, keyboard is a big deal to me. It's just WM seems to disappoint me a lot. Although I have high hopes for 6.5, I'm thinking sprint is waiting for 6.5 to release to touch pro 2, it would make it all that better!
But still, functionality versus a keyboard, I don't know! haah
I know what you mean about WM, but HTC have done a great job of masking the dull and boring monolike OS with Touchflo from what I have seen and WM 6.5 looks like a vast improvement at least visually.
Personally I think you, like me, would probably get bored of Android and the touch screen keypad would drive me nuts in the end.
I tried typing on an Iphone 3GS yesterday to get a (improved) idea of what a Diamond 2 or Hero might be like and with my fingers theres no chance I would type quickly on that ever, it would be like trying to look behind you without moving your head.
TP2 is the way to go, however the Omnia Pro is coming soon too, but then the Nvidia Tegra chipset powered HTC HD sequal is comign - I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
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the shape is virtually the same as the G1, and I've never heard anyone complain about any discomfort when they put the G1 in their pocket. and there may not be a hardware KB, but as far as onscreen KB's go, it looks like the Hero's will be one of best so far. and I like how the screen is capacitive and thus supports multi touch.
personally, I'm getting the TP2 when it comes out on AT&T. I'm also planning on picking up an unlocked Hero (unless it finds its way to the states, specifically AT&T). just want something else to play around with
Please buy both. Both has different strength, features & abilities. Both are totally different. I hope i will get one if god willing
For me it will be the one with the biggest screen & WM on it...TP2!
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For me it will be the one with the biggest screen & WM on it...TP2!
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Yeah but the hero has a capacitive screen right? or am I wrong about that? Im actually not sure but I would think that it does because all the other android ones by HTC ara capacitive
Edit: I checked and im pretty sure its capacitive but I just browsed through search results
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=530600
The same question has been haunting me lately too. I've been waiting forever for the TP2 to come to AT&T and now I see this. If they end up having release dates close together I'm thinking I might go with the hero. The main thing that will bother me is the lack of keyboard since I'm coming from a Kaiser (Tilt).
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White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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White is not definite. Colors and providers are yet to be determined according to an HTC rep on a youtube video that I saw earlier (If I can track it down again I'll include it with an edit....)
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I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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Agreed, but there's one big difference. You can get an upgrade discount on phones once every 1.5 years, otherwise you're paying out your A$$. Graphics cards are always the same (usually relatively lower) price.
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I know what you mean about WM, but HTC have done a great job of masking the dull and boring monolike OS with Touchflo from what I have seen and WM 6.5 looks like a vast improvement at least visually.
Personally I think you, like me, would probably get bored of Android and the touch screen keypad would drive me nuts in the end.
I tried typing on an Iphone 3GS yesterday to get a (improved) idea of what a Diamond 2 or Hero might be like and with my fingers theres no chance I would type quickly on that ever, it would be like trying to look behind you without moving your head.
TP2 is the way to go, however the Omnia Pro is coming soon too, but then the Nvidia Tegra chipset powered HTC HD sequal is comign - I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
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Yeah you seem like you have the same thoughts as I do. I think you're right about getting tired with the android phone. I love messing with WM and modding it. I know you can with android, but it will have its limits. The thing about touch pro 2 not being a capacitive touch screen, it bums me out and makes me ask why they won't do this with WM yet. I can say they have been improving their resistive screens, big difference from the mogul to the touch pro, so I hope they can do that again. I am definitely leaning toward the touch pro 2. Does anyone know why they won't go with the capacitive screen on WM or touch pro 2?
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Yeah you seem like you have the same thoughts as I do. I think you're right about getting tired with the android phone. I love messing with WM and modding it. I know you can with android, but it will have its limits. The thing about touch pro 2 not being a capacitive touch screen, it bums me out and makes me ask why they won't do this with WM yet. I can say they have been improving their resistive screens, big difference from the mogul to the touch pro, so I hope they can do that again. I am definitely leaning toward the touch pro 2. Does anyone know why they won't go with the capacitive screen on WM or touch pro 2?
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.
White doesnt stay clean for long either.
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LOL! Yeah, I don't like the shape of it too..
I would go for TP2 as it's not going to disappoint you!
Hard descision
touch pro 2 is coming to tmobile august 8th and hero im not sure but the magic is coming july 8th..the resisitive touch screen on the pro is so smooth it feels like its capacitive..and its alot bigger screen and has multitouch..but the hero has android and its built very nicely with the teflon coat and finger print proof screen..i hate phones so many choices ((
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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The resistive screen is one of the selling points for me, especially one as finger-friendly as TP2s. Best of both worlds. I get easy navigation without having to constantly sheath and unsheath the stylus, but I can use a compact and conveniently tucked away stylus when needed. I very much doubt I'll ever need it for the basic interface, but with some apps I'll want it. My Palm TX has been my primary Chinese-English dictionary for some time (before it, my Palm T|T and m500 served the same purpose), and the same software is available for WinMo. I'd just as soon use a stylus for character recognition. For that matter, I'd just as soon use a stylus for handwritten memos. I imagine capacitative screen users get by on both fronts just fine, but for me, I'm glad there's a good resistive screen still available.
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This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
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So far with my TP2, I have not used the stylus at all and I am a pretty heavy business user, thats emails, facebook, youtube, general browsing and posting on forums, stock, sms.
Whats more I have yet to use the actual qwerty keyboard aswell, I find the touch one good enough everytime unless I'm typing a huge email or document.
My advice is go and actually look at the Diamond 2 and TP2 in the flesh, it is totally different to looking at it on the internet, it really is a quality product.
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touch pro 2 is coming to tmobile august 8th and hero im not sure but the magic is coming july 8th..the resisitive touch screen on the pro is so smooth it feels like its capacitive..and its alot bigger screen and has multitouch..but the hero has android and its built very nicely with the teflon coat and finger print proof screen..i hate phones so many choices ((
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sorry to burst your bubble, sir, but the TP2 doesn't support multi touch. that luxury is reserved for devices that have a capacitive display. and while the TP2 feels like it's capacitive, it isn't. the Hero, on the other hand, IS capacitive and therefore the screen supports multi touch
Hey guys.
Strange post perhaps, but Iv always loved my HTC Devices.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
I believe I have made an informed decision, mostly because I can choose what hardware I want, (in this case a proper keyboard and bigger screen). And also because I can use so many free apps for WM6.1 that the iphone users have to pay for.
So please can you give me some more ammunition so that I can stop losing the arguments about why the iphone fails. Cheers.
Find new friends with better taste in phones?
You cant really use the bigger screen size argument. Just a beautiful input device and ability to customize it to the hilt.
Well there's always the 1 step behind the times arguement...I mean Iphones aren't as hi-tech as many of HTC's phones...oh...and you can change your batteries or add memory with cards...
I mean Iphones aren't as hi-tech as many of HTC's phones.
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You are getting confused with almost any manufacturer apart from HTC.
Iphones can't multitask, not even the new ones.
The screen isn't as "responsive" as the iphone, but you can use a stylus for precision (like making a doodle with the stylus ) and if you live in a cold climate, you can wear gloves and still use your phone. With capacitive screens like the iphone you gave to take your gloves off. Really annoying if you use them.
You don't have to jailbreak it to get many of the things working. And supposedly flash is coming to Windows Mobile first if I remember correctly (by first I mean before the iphone).
You can use it with any network you want (if it's unlocked) and if it's a branded version, you can unlock it without fear of bricking it after an upgrade.
That's just what comes to mind.
Oh, the screen is .1 inches bigger. Not really enough to make an arguement. But it does have more than twice the resolution, which is a goodo point as images can be clearer and reading texts won't tire your eyes as much.
Why do you care what your friends think?
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Why do you care what your friends think?
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Because I constantly seek validation and enjoy being right? Im not an armchair psychologist.
I can't stand the smugness of the iphone user trying to shove the latest nose flute app in my face, "do you have Excel?" I ask.
"Yes" replies the iphone user as they connect to the apps store and pay £15 for the most essential of software on a business phone.
I think my biggest reason for liking the touch pro 2 is that it just looks stunning with the screen on. Everyone has seen the iphone now, and I like to be different.
Cheers for the replies guys.
Yes, there are just too many iPhones on the street - no "WOW" factor these days. I find the pro2 can turn quite a few heads, especially when I pull out the keyboard and start typing... mind you, someone asked me once where I bought my iPhone with a keyboard!!
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Hey guys.
Strange post perhaps, but Iv always loved my HTC Devices.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
I believe I have made an informed decision, mostly because I can choose what hardware I want, (in this case a proper keyboard and bigger screen). And also because I can use so many free apps for WM6.1 that the iphone users have to pay for.
So please can you give me some more ammunition so that I can stop losing the arguments about why the iphone fails. Cheers.
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To not mention again read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537219&highlight=iphone
The IPhone is too common. It also means you surrender too much rights to Apple. They control what you should use. They ignore you and work at their decided schedule. "Cut and paste" is a new feature -- only idiots will believe that.
"There is no vulnerability." -- between Iphone 3G and 3GS, Apple plugged 48 holes.
The battery overheats fast. The screen wears out fast. The material used to maufacture the IPhone is cheap stuff.
IPhone is totally hopeless without connectivity. At the least, TP2 can still be useful.
The famous Appstore! -- How many apps do you really use? Many of the apps are "fractured" because Apple does not allow the developers to add in some features for fear of opening up their closed ecology.
You need more?
Agree with above that the App Store is overrated. I have an iPod Touch, and I have about 2 or 3 useful 3rd party apps. Everything else are just time wasters.
I have a couple reasons why I wouldn't buy an fruitphone.
1. Useless homescreen. The lockscreen shows the date/time. Once unlocked, you just have grids of icons. You have counters that show number of new messages, but no previews. Notifications of new messages and appointments really suck.
2. Terrible multi tasking. Let's say I was wasting my time with a game on my fruitphone while listening to music. You can forward or rewind tracks by double pressing the one button to bring up the music controls. But you can't go into the music app to change your music and go back to the game! That's just dumb.
3. Internet browsing. You can't open links in new tabs! No text reflow. That means you have to use landscape mode if you want to zoom in to read the text and you don't want to scroll horizontally. Also, no full screen view in browser. You always have the top/bottom bars.
4. Low resolution display. Text can't easily be read in zoomed out web pages. Photos look terribly pixelated.
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Hey guys.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
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Why do you have sheeps as friends...
People have posted some really good points on this thread like TP2 can
- multitask apps
- a monster text machine
- a monster email machine
- a full keyboard
- two mics with noise cancelling abilities
- two speakers for better loudspeaker calls
- better wvga screen (better resolution screen)
- Touch flow 3d is so so smooth(people friendly)
- excellent notifications screen
- better calling options
- better word processor apps like power point, word, excel
- a crap crap crap load of more software for Wndows mobile than iphone will ever have
-the device looks better IMO
But you cant really fault the iphone that much. It is a very pretty with better processor, same ram, bigger onboard harddrive, 3.5mm jack. The OS for both devices are totally different. But in all honesty WM is better than iphone OS BUT Android is better than WM and IS the future of the mobile phone generation....FYI
I agree with the above post. Check out the N900 phone too, its OS is a pseudo linux desktop and its mobile front is very finger friendly looking at youtube.
I am looking at the TP2 myself despite having an iphone. The iphone isn't a very good organizer partly because of its notification/background app. problem, I still haven't got used to the soft keyboard on a 3.5'' device after a year of use - hinders alot of communication and productivity for me personally, the resolution of the screen affects my PDF reading and the lack of bluetooth signalling stops me adding mice/keyboards.
This forum also offers a lot of ROM's too. Although there is a lot to be said for the iphone (its best software comes supplied and the rest can easily be downloaded from the appstore/cydia mostly for free or next to nothing) and no doubt I will have to encounter the same annoyances i had with my touch diamond/kaiser back in Winmo land. I have no doubt for most leisure users who have mastered the soft iphone keyboard that its probably the most fun and beneficial phone for them though.
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yes, who could forget about a good ol' fashioned IPhone bashing thread.
you shouldn't let others opinions have an effect on what you want. different strokes for different folks. it's not like either the Tp2 or the IPhone are bad phones.
yes, you can make fun of them for not having the ability to multitask, not being able to sideload applications, interchangeable batteries etc.
just remember it's not wise to throw stones from a glass house.
just ask your friend to change something on your phone, then you do it...tell them to type something, then you type it, ask them what ap they have, then you go get it for free...I do it ALL DAY to my friends that have it, they hate pulling their iphones out now lol. The best is "can you tether? Yeah! For free? AH!!! YOUR PHONE IS CRAP! lol HTC wins. BUT............the iPhone does kill every other device in UI processing, hands down which IMO is a HUGE player in satisfaction. If you can do with 10-30fps UI, HTC with TF3D would be the better choice.
a huge issue for me was free internet tethering. I think with the new 3GS you can do this - but it costs an EXTRA £14.95 per month to O2 for the lowest deal! What a ripoff. That and the pull out keyboard are prob the main things for me.
There's an article at MSN that may be helpful....
Also, the Iphone loudspeaker is so-so despite calling itself a media machine.
The resolution is horrid.
The sound from the headphone is soft.
Voice command from BT definitely not working.
How do I know all these, I own a Iphone 3GS. Why don't I get rid of it? Too ashame to sell it to someone and have him curse me for selling him a lemon (despite it namesake).
Seeing an iPhone 4 of a friends the other day next to his 3g was quite funny. The so called amazing resolution screen just looked brighter, more colourful and a tiny bit sharper.
It's funny, before I got my Desire I had an iPhone 3g and I was amazed by it once it got updated to 3.0 firmware. Once jailbroke I could customize the way it looked immensely which is something that a lot of people who use these forums say you can't do. Anyway, my contract was up and being impatient I couldn't hold on for the iPhone 4.0. I'll be honest, I really wanted it but a release date wasn't announced. So I went for the Desire. First thoughts we're, great phone, brilliant screen, very fast, widgets are pretty cool, easy to use, coming from iPhone. Then after a few weeks of enjoying it, the iPhone 4 release date was announced. Then I wanted an iPhone again it looked amazing, all the hype was mental. But I just signed a new contract so there was no way of me getting one. My friend had ordered one and it arrived the other day at work. I didn't get to use it but from what I saw, its not much different visually (display) from the iPhone 3g and its practically the same as the 3g, apart from the cameras,speed,multitasking and obviously a few more things.
So basically what I'm trying to say is. It's no way near as good as the Desire, to use and to look at as far as I'm concerned. Seriously the Desire is a way better phone. The camera doesn't matter its good enough and multitasking on the iPhone is just the worst thing I've ever seen its really poor just the way it actually works. It's terrible.
Not much of a review but just something to stop the arguing and give advice when deciding what phone you want. That's if your choosing out of these two.
p.s
I typed this in landscape on my desire with no problems at all. :
Bloke at work brought his new iPhone in and how we laughed as I got him to 'hold' it and the signal strength went down and then dropped.
Android FTW
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Bloke at work brought his new iPhone in and how we laughed as I got him to 'hold' it and the signal strength went down and then dropped.
Android FTW
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Yeah, I heard about that as wyell. its something to do with the metal surrounding on the iPhone is the antenna. Haha. Unfortunately my Desire doesn't have a metal surrounding.
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Just been playing with my dads iphone 4 , and laughed at apples version of multitasking!
Played angry birds, then went into calender and back again, to see the game started all again!
So i just had to do it with another game on my phone, to show how proper multi tasking works! Straight back into the game where i left off !
Have a laugh.....a good one
Link: http://vimeo.com/12858526
Haha! brilliant!
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LOL
Fanboyism aside, the iPhone 4 does bring some awesome things to the table, like an amazing camera & camcorder and.. well, that's it. Still, it beats any Android smartphone in that department, hands down.
This chap claims not to have noticed the signal drop whilst he is making calls......
a phone primary function is to make calls ... got to hold your iphone4 in the right way so that you can make calls ... now that is another revolution to the mobile industry
Well, actually, for pictures, the Desire's camera is just as good. Yeah Apple wants to make you believe they have something special, but they really don't. It's just a 5 megapixel camera like everyone else uses (except for the 8 megapixel ones in some other Androids).
I've looked at lots and lots of pictures of both phones, including direct comparison shots, and the Desire's camera is actually the exact same (for pictures, not video).
The software handles some things differently, like the sharpening (I recommend everyone to set sharpness to +1 on the Desire), the pictures look a bit less washed but also lack more detail. But those are just small differences caused by different software and the iPhone certainly doesn't do it better (just a bit differently).
What I actually wanted to say, I HATE when Apple gets credit for doing what others have done for years, like 5 megapixel cameras and video calling. And most of the time, they're not even doing it better and often they're doing it worse (like multitasking or that antenna design, which has been invented by HTC and actually works with HTC phones, without dropping calls).
I got my first android phone yesterday, the Desire and damn it's smooth. I always heard that iPhone apparently has the better keyboard, but the Desire blows my iPod touch away.
I love it and have done nothing but geek my phone today, hail HTC!!
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I got my first android phone yesterday, the Desire and damn it's smooth. I always heard that iPhone apparently has the better keyboard, but the Desire blows my iPod touch away.
I love it and have done nothing but geek my phone today, hail HTC!!
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Welcome to the world of Android Elf... it's a great place to live
I don't want to be a jerk or attack anyone, but there is some stuff in this thread that I just need to comment on.
I am surrounded by relatively smart people. Many psychologists also. What the original poster is doing is the following: you don't want to feel bad about your purchase (the Desire) so you blindly attack the iPhone 4. I am NOT saying the HTC Desire is bad. But I am pretty sure that what you are doing here is trying to make fun of the iPhone 4 to make yourself feel better about the Desire.
I did this as well. I bought the HTC HD2 just before the Nexus One was announced and I was like: 'aaah... the HD2 is much better. That Android is almost the same as WM. Aaah.. I don't need amoled screens..' etc. All just to hide the fact that I maybe should have waited an bought the Nexus One.
Anyway, what you are saying is not true. The iPhone 4 is pretty good. In fact, if I could trade my HTC Desire for a iPhone 4 I would do it. And I absolutely love the Desire. But I don't fool myself, I know that the iPhone 4 is better. Let me just give you a few examples:
Appstore. Biggest and best on the iPhone. Facebook is the best on the iPhone. Shazam is the best on the iPhone. Every app is usually the best on the iPhone. Developers see the iPhone as their number one, which is very important.
Games. I choose to wright a separate part about this even though it could have fitted with Appstore. You want games on your phone? Then iPhone 4 is without doubt the BEST choice. Highest resolution display + A4 chip (1GHz) + Gyroscope (or whatever that is called. Check out what the Gyroscope does.. its very nice for games). And off course the best titles. The Android Market fails in the games category compared to the Apple Appstore.
Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It's only 5 megapixels, but it takes very good pictures. And the HD recording is again, the best out there. At a smooth 30fps with great adios quality its top notch. With iMovie you can even edit all that stuff on your iPhone..
Build quality. Even though I have not held the new iPhone myself, every review goes the same. The build quality is unbelievable. It will make almost any smartphone to date feel cheap. And I can understand that.. it just looks and feels amazing. At 9.3mm thin it's just a very good looking phone.
Facetime. Now I suddenly realised something a few days ago. This may sound dramatic but try to take it seriously. Apple is helping humankind to the next step. Why? Soon many, many people (normal people, kids, grandparents, mothers, everybody) will go from voice calling to video calling. And yes its because of the iPhone 4. They just make it easy to use and it works well. Try to be totally honest with yourself and think about this. It's true. Videocalling may have existed, but it was crap. That's why it never reached the mainstream.
Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks.
So.. I know it is hard but try to be honest regarding these things. Yes I have a Desire myself and no I won't be able to buy that new iPhone for at least a year (and by then, the next one should come out). But I am honest regarding those things.
Oh, and the dude trying to attack the iPhone on the 'bad multitasking'. Angry birds (one of my favorite games ever! ) has probably not been updated to multitasking yet. Remember, the developers must update their apps to work. So again, its a bad argument against the iPhone. Though I won't disagree with the fact that if you want the ultimate multitasking, you are better off with the Desire.
Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
Come on...
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I don't want to be a jerk or attack anyone, but there is some stuff in this thread that I just need to comment on.
I am surrounded by relatively smart people. Many psychologists also. What the original poster is doing is the following: you don't want to feel bad about your purchase (the Desire) so you blindly attack the iPhone 4. I am NOT saying the HTC Desire is bad. But I am pretty sure that what you are doing here is trying to make fun of the iPhone 4 to make yourself feel better about the Desire.
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Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
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Now I have not posted in this thread, but really.. Come on...
Why do you think that the people you surround yourself with, describes or adds something to you or your arguments? In this case, I could claim that you could be inside a mental asylum (for being surrounded with psychologists) .
But seriously, "blindly attack"? Where have you been? Its been proved on many iPhones that you can't even hold the iPhone 4 properly without losing your network-connection. The multi-tasking is horrible according to reviewers and other people that tested it. And Steve Jobs email is frakking horrific, but not unexpected.
Since when is this blind attacks? Sure the phone-build, camera, and some software is great, but still no other device would be spared ridicule if the errors is as great as the iPhone 4's. It will be scrutinized and by all means, it deserves the ridicule it to this point have (not)received, lol.
UPDATE: Just for the lolz http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4...-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band?skyline=true&s=i
Best camera on any phone???
U must be smoking something there ha ha ha
Have you even seen pix from some of the 8MP camera fones out there, not to mention 12MP fones around the corner.
Yes Apple have more apps then Android, that dont mean they all better.
Games are the ONLY advantage apple has.
The build quality may also be good BUT whats the point when the main function of a MOBILE PHONE which is to make phone calls goes away when you hold your phone a certain way.
I mean come on, your paying £500 for your IPhone 4, you should not be TOLD how to hold it in order to make phone calls. You should be able to hold it how u like and still not loose signal like all other phones out there.
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Anyway, what you are saying is not true. The iPhone 4 is pretty good.
Appstore. How long has iPhone appstore been.out compared to android market?
Games. Correct games are better on iphone 4 but a couple hours of gaming and bye bye battery. That's why they made the ps3. And there isn't a noticeable difference in display quality against the Desire I've looked at both together and there equally as good, what ever it says on paper.
Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It seriously isn't one of the best. Picture quality is same as Desire if not a tiny bit better. You win on video recording but I think in future the Desire will perform the same after an update. I'm sure with the hardware its got it can eventually record at 720p 30fps. You'll see.
Build quality. I agree apple always have an excellent build quality and that's where you're wallet gets emptied.
Facetime. Trust me your not gonna use this. U might at first but eventually you wont. I mean come on how gay is video calling. Hearing a voice is suffice.
Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks. Wrong my friend's last about the same as desire according to him. He has both phones.
So.. I know it is hard but try to be honest regarding these things. Yes I have a Desire myself and no I won't be able to buy that new iPhone for at least a year (and by then, the next one should come out). But I am honest regarding those things.
"I can't believe you're arguing when it sounds like u haven't even used the iphone 4."
Oh, and the dude trying to attack the iPhone on the 'bad multitasking'. I won't disagree with the fact that if you want the ultimate multitasking, you are better off with the Desire
"That makes more sense"
Conclusion: Stop sticking up for apple when you haven't even used an iphone 4. I have and it is certainly not overall better.
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"Be a grown up" gayest insult of the year award.
I wont quote you one the beginning, I would only say that is not true (that we say Desire is better because we bought it).
I didn't get Desire on contract, I paid it in cash. That means I had the money to buy any phone I like (overall anyone, when we take the fact that I paid for the Desire 500 euro). I knew exactly why I want the Desire. I knew it's features, it's positive and negative sides. I liked the look of Sense (instead of jailbreaking my phone just so I can change my wallpaper, this happen in previous models of iPhone), I liked the OS and it's openness, and I liked it's look. In fact, I liked everything about Desire, and I think that this will be the phone I will have for longest (in case it doesn't break). I know this because with my previous phones, I lost the will to play with them after 3-4 days after purchase. With the Desire is completely different: my work is suffering because I keep doing something on it all the time, and I have it for 3 weeks
I mean, there are so many thing to do with it, sky is the limit (and the knowledge of members here, which I believe is wide and big as the sky).
Anyway, lets go back to some points you made with which I completely disagree (okay, my whole post is disagreement with yours, but still )
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Appstore. Biggest and best on the iPhone. Facebook is the best on the iPhone. Shazam is the best on the iPhone. Every app is usually the best on the iPhone. Developers see the iPhone as their number one, which is very important.
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That CAN (and will, I guess) change. On the Google IO, google announced 50.000 apps on the market. When was that, a month ago? Today there are over 65.000. That is 15.000 apps in a month. At this rate, there will be 150.000 more apps in the Market in the next 10 months.
But, I hope and expect this rate to change when I'll take in mind how fast people (developers) are turning toward Android.
Don't make me start at the attitude of Apple toward developers.
By the way, developers develop for public. If there are users of Android more then of iOS, they will start developing for Android. Sc**w that fine program if nobody uses it. So their primary motive to do something is "how many people will use their app?".
Apple has more apps, but I bet that will change. In 2 years, there were 50.000 apps in the market. BUT, in just 1 month, there were 15.000 more. Just one month, read that carefully. That shows to me that something is drastically changing.
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Games. I choose to wright a separate part about this even though it could have fitted with Appstore. You want games on your phone? Then iPhone 4 is without doubt the BEST choice. Highest resolution display + A4 chip (1GHz) + Gyroscope (or whatever that is called. Check out what the Gyroscope does.. its very nice for games). And off course the best titles. The Android Market fails in the games category compared to the Apple Appstore.
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My same reply from above goes to the games. I will only add something here: At CPU side they may be the same (although there are comments that apple have underclocked the iPhone CPU at something like 700MHz... and we have OVERclocked ours at 1.2GHz ).
Concerning the resolution... it's not that of a big deal. The screen is smaller then of Desire, so that makes the resolution lose. Unless you watch your iPhone 4 display with microscope, then you would notice the more pixels on the iPhone. Otherwise, the naked eye doesn't need more pixels on such small space.
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Camera. The iPhone 4 has one of the best camera's on any mobile phone. It's only 5 megapixels, but it takes very good pictures. And the HD recording is again, the best out there. At a smooth 30fps with great adios quality its top notch. With iMovie you can even edit all that stuff on your iPhone..
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I have never (ever, trust me) chosen a phone because of it's camera, so I am lost here. I don't know who takes better pictures or videos.
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Build quality. Even though I have not held the new iPhone myself, every review goes the same. The build quality is unbelievable. It will make almost any smartphone to date feel cheap. And I can understand that.. it just looks and feels amazing. At 9.3mm thin it's just a very good looking phone.
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Probably, I can only guess. But what about that same build breaking easy and that same build causing such a big issue with network connectivity?
It's not just build something. Are you aware that in order for you to have decent connectivity, you will have to cover your nice looking iPhone? What's the point?
When we talk abous build quality, we have to take the strength (which sucks, on the second drop the screen dies, on the forth drop the glass is broken) and the looks (which again sucks, because the network sucks if you don't cover it with rubber, and if you do that, it's not good looking anymore).
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Facetime.
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I don't even want to start about this. I will only say: if those grandparents, parents, children... wanted to see eachother, why didn't they use video calls over 3G? That technology exists for over 5 years, and I have never used it (except for one time, to test with a friend what does it do in fact). Or Fring? Or whatever other app that exists there for video calls?
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Battery life. The new iPhone should have a very decent battery life. This happens to be one of the areas where the Desire .. sucks.
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If you look at both phones specs (I have), you will notice that on paper they have VERY similar battery specs. And still, your opinion about the Desire battery life comes from experience, but for the iPhone comes from reading? That is rather unfair :/
Just lets wait and see how iPhone will do in real life situations. My wife charge her iPhone 3GS twice in a day. She has to, her battery goes flat at noon. My battery lasts 2 days, with very big usage (I said above, I can't put my Desire of my hands). iWin
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Conclusion: Enjoy your Desire without attacking other phones please. Be a grown up.
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I agree, and I would add: and share your experiences and thoughts. That is why forums are made.
EDIT: Wow, this post is so long now ))
Surely face time isn't a winner with it only being on wifi I've had nokia n97 and samsung Omnia both had forward facing cameras i used then both zero times, ok grannies wanting to see grandchilden i get that but i sure as hell don't want to see your ugly mug or the wifes... or my mates.. ok if your away for a while it would be nice to see the face of a family but iphone4 only? and wifi only?...
More megapixels don't make a nice photo, the lense and sensor are probably more important, i would find it hard to believe that the iphone4 isn't better in this catagory, low light shots with the desire are super grainy and striped = bad sensor.
Iphone4 looks very nice right up until you touch it then it's lovely lux black look is greasy finger tastic!
edit: so you have to hold it around the edge... oh wait!
I just have to say a few things in reply to XDA Mark... Psychologists aside :]
Appstore: Really??? Have you taken a look at the quality of apps in there? 80% are duplicates of other apps, 10% are original in their design and 10% are games. Coming from an iPod Touch 2g, I have to say i found all the apps that I need to be productive on a phone in 1% of the time it took me to find them on the ipod just because i didn't have to sift through 1 gazillion useless knock-offs. And then i found some more!
Whoever said MORE apps means BETTER apps??? Yes, there are lots of awesome apps in Appstore but i have not found anything that apps in Android Market can't do and can't do better! And widgets - oh, "non-denominational super-being", I love widgets.
Build quality: Sorry, but after a certain point this is subjective! And you haven't even held it yourself! I find my Desire to have a superb build quality - try to disprove that.
Games: What are we - 12? Do we need silly little 3D games on a 3.4inch screen. That's just laughable. Whoever thought gaming without physical buttons is kewl?! With the current state of haptic feedback this is the most inorganic and crappy method of control. My thumbs take about 35% of the screen of a 3.4inch ipod touch - good luck trying to play like that. My point is - games matter for iPad/tablets. For a phone - i am content with tower defense and sudoku! For Mass Effect 2 I have my HD 5870 and an overclocked i7-920 at home thank you very much.
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Anyone know of an app or if there's a way to take actual panoramic pictures with the EVO 4G? My friend thinks he's tough **** with his iPhone 4 and when he asked if I can take pictures like that I was forced to reply "I'm not sure..." :/
lol....well, any iPhoner is going to try to hang their hat on the one or two silly thing that their phone can do and ours can't. While I agree it would be cool if someone developed and app that can do it, there is a list of things our phone can do that the iPhone 4 cannot, so I wouldn't stress it.
root it, start flashing new ROMs and overclocking, shoot incredible 720p video, and sit your phone up on the kickstand and watch them, or run them through the HDMI port to a HD TV. Then tell him to go shove his iPhone and tell him he needs to keep his personal preferences to hisself. As long as you are more happy with the EVO than an iPhone I don't think it's his business.
Have you tried PhotoStitch?
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Have you tried PhotoStitch?
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I have, but it's not the same
I realize my phone is better in every other way, but I just want to be able to take those kinds of shots.
Is it all software in the iPhone that allows him to do that? Or does that phone actually have a wide angle lens? Excuse me if that's a dumb question
i would like to know too...my boss just got the epic 4g and it does the same thing and a couple other tricks with the camera too...gotta be a way to port that over from epic to evo
Maybe can you try my app Andropan
let's me know how can I make it better
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Maybe can you try my app Andropan
let's me know how can I make it better
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If I can remember I'll check when my phone gets done juicing. But I have been looking for a decent panoramic shooter too - photostitch doesn't cut it. At all.
Ye I have been desperately looking for a good panoramic software for the EVO.
The PhotoStich app works....ok, but I want something like the Epic or Droid X as far as it helping me line the next shot up.
Andropan is pretty sweet but on my EVO at the moment, it seems to have a couple of issues with the lineup, in the end I get a picture that is not joined perfectly for many shots, this means I have items in the picture that are repeated again and again since they have not been over lapped.
As this software moves forwards though, I'm sure it could do the job nicely.
I wish andropan and photostitch would get together and have a kid or something
I'd gladly fork over 10 bucks for an app that can do what the Epic's Samsung software does, or even what the Droid X is capable of.
Love the new update Sprint just pushed out though, super smooth now
-Sheldon
Pretty impressive.
That is amazing, the quality of games/apps on the iPhone is still way ahead of android.
It looks as smooth as an xbox 360.
I know no one as said this now, but it pisses me off so much when people say if I want to play a game, I will use my Playstation, BS the iPhone games are kick ass.
Looks like a sweet game.
Sent from my Evo using Tapatalk.
I'd be willing to bet that the Hummingbird proc has this beat. It just doesn't have a fancy tech demo yet.
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That is amazing, the quality of games/apps on the iPhone is still way ahead of android.
It looks as smooth as an xbox 360.
I know no one as said this now, but it pisses me off so much when people say if I want to play a game, I will use my Playstation, BS the iPhone games are kick ass.
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I'll take turn by turn navigation over turning my phone into a toy any day of the week.
Its lovely but the reality distortion field of Apple is in full effect.
"Intel Sucks" until we need to use Intel.
"Its not the quantity of apps, its the quantity" until the iPhone has the most
"Apple makes machines for creating, not for playing games" until they want to compete with Nintendo and Sony
"Nobody reads books anymore"
"Nobody wants to use a device that can't fit in the pocket"
I believe this year we also heard "Nobody wants to use a phone with a giant 4.3" screen"
Drink the drink...
will this run on the Ipad? couse if it does the its a WIN
wifi-ipad + EVO = WIN
Meh, just get one of the new ipod touches and play the damn game on that.
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I'll take turn by turn navigation over turning my phone into a toy any day of the week.
Its lovely but the reality distortion field of Apple is in full effect.
"Intel Sucks" until we need to use Intel.
"Its not the quantity of apps, its the quantity" until the iPhone has the most
"Apple makes machines for creating, not for playing games" until they want to compete with Nintendo and Sony
"Nobody reads books anymore"
"Nobody wants to use a device that can't fit in the pocket"
I believe this year we also heard "Nobody wants to use a phone with a giant 4.3" screen"
Drink the drink...
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Hating on that video looks "sofa king" retarded that its not even funny.
All spelling errors thanks to xt9 on my Evo!
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That is amazing, the quality of games/apps on the iPhone is still way ahead of android.
It looks as smooth as an xbox 360.
I know no one as said this now, but it pisses me off so much when people say if I want to play a game, I will use my Playstation, BS the iPhone games are kick ass.
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I came from an iPhone 3GS, not much of a mobile gamer though, but your statement is very true - iPhone games are far more advanced than Android, but also different strokes for different folks. iPhone also head a head start.
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Looks like a sweet game.
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Just a tech demo right now. Should lay the groundwork for some sweet games though.
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I'd be willing to bet that the Hummingbird proc has this beat. It just doesn't have a fancy tech demo yet.
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I hope so. I really do...I don't want to be a fanboy to either side, but I really do hope Android overtakes Apple and iOS. I hate Job's snooty and controlling attitude/business' practices.
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I'll take turn by turn navigation over turning my phone into a toy any day of the week.
Its lovely but the reality distortion field of Apple is in full effect.
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All of what you said is true. I hate the company and how it's run, but the iPhone 4 is still a great competitor to the Evo and other similar Android phones.
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will this run on the Ipad? couse if it does the its a WIN
wifi-ipad + EVO = WIN
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Yes, runs on iPhone 3GS and above, iPad and iPod touch 3rd gen and above.
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Meh, just get one of the new ipod touches and play the damn game on that.
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True or an iPad (personally don't need two pocket mobile devices), and with free tethering using the Evo, could be win/win.
gotta admit the graphics are pretty impressive, you can tell they are keeping the framerate low though. The blur effect helps mask it some but there was once or twice where I could see it stutter.
I give it until the end of the year before the roles reverse and apple is playing catch up with android, it's only a matter of time
one of the reasons iphone games have suddenly jumped in quality is the fact that they pushed an update not too long ago that fully supports opengl 2.0 and if im not mistaken android also supports opengl 2.0 the second reason is that apple controls both the software developed by them and the hardware requirements are developed by them but manufactured by hardware parters its only one product gradually and carefully upgraded, its a very strict system that allows them to produce higher quality faster then android, developers have to write code that can be scaled and refined to support many handsets..it just means that for the time being android will be behind...its one of the reasons the new windows phone os are more strict on their new hardware guidelines...soon android will mature to the point that it will be easy for developers to write an app for many different hardware sets...its just going to take time
I've played the demo. It is very impressive. Why do people need to hate on it just because it isn't available on their device yet?