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I know xda developers is mostly a windows mobile and android sit but I would like a n900 section on xda developers it would really boost the hacking scene because we all know this is the best place for smartphone hacking and the n900 is the best device to hack it would almost be like love. What do you guys think.
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This has been discussed many times and answer remains no. (as far as I know)
I love the idea!
I am thinking in moving on to this weird and wonderful device/os.
Even though it seems to have only a few applications available directly I've read that the Linux on it is based on Debian and if you know your way around linux you can download almost any Debian app. and what I often see here is people wanting to get their hands on some phone with linux in it or some version of linux for their phones. In a way this one offers all this but, yes, it is a Nokia device, so what?
I will still keep one of my HTC/Wimo devices but will scrap the rest!
I want always on full internet and other geeky stuff.
So there Orb! Put it in your pipe and smoke it!
Hey all,
I am a happy owner of a n900 and it is the first time I am so excited with a mobile device since my first symbian phone. What amazes me with the device is its 'open' character, meaning that you buy the hardware, with maemo ofcourse, but the device is meant to be exploited. you can dual (triple) boot running android, meego and maemo, you can port many applications (Qt 4.6.2 Gui required), you can compile yourself stuff, run a debian VM with easy-debian.
Since most of applications are linux ported, there is loads of stuff you can do. Am example I enjoy is you can run an x11vnc server on your n900 and remote access it from anywhere with a vnc client. Other fancy stuff such to connect the n900 to your tv, run an Amiga emulator, bind your ps3 controller over BT, and start playing.
It's (very easy) overclockable, GPU runs great, VoIP services as a charm (Skype Video is now added), and most important in a really good multitasking environement. And ofcourse the moment you want to call your phone will response very very fast.
While it does all of the above, it does give you an iPhone feeling in terms of ease of use and device polishing.
On the downside, until today the software was limited except if you were a linux pro as very well mentioned above. The new 1.2 upgrade with Qt support broadens the range and posibiliteis quite a lot. For me, only support for Flash 10 is also a big issue for now, and i really hope it gets addressed soon.
It is bulky (related to iPhone likes) - nothing new here.
Bottom end, I tend to agree it doesn't fit to this forum. this forum was always about smartphones. This is one a tiny marvelous computer that can make GSM calls too. I think its a bit advanced for this site ;-)
rGrds
George
phones with resistive and cheap plastic like feeling screens always put me down.....
go to MAEMO.Org its all for n900 and whatever u want to do with it..
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go to MAEMO.Org its all for n900 and whatever u want to do with it..
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there you go then if you have a n900 and want to tweak it!
better talent here than maemo.org. still have my htc hd and the n900, just can't part with my htc yet.
Please make it, its a way to promote a lot of staff and give one opportunity for this system, *if nokia* gives the same "status" as Google with Android probably it will be the best system for mobile ever. A simple example, Maemo as conceited to support Open GL 2.0, Android not. Maemo was made for gives a new way to do the things, Android is only a WinMO more social and user-friendly. Now with MeeGo, the system haves a new chance, but XDA could help because Nokia still sucks with support.
So, please make it, i will appreciate it as well.
WoW!
I am now running nearly ALL my dearest Palm OS apps of yore (from my Treo650) in a VM inside N900.
Gotta looove open platforms!
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how comes there`s a new Kin forums and nothing for the N900 thats just BS
i suppose the n900 is linux and we've tweaked with linux here at xda before so.... if you contact the administrator he might say yes!
Both Communities have amazing minds, and i'm sure that there could be some overlap of usefulness stuff if there was an included section.
At the very least it would generate new interest for the site as a whole.
I also think that an N900 section would compliment the already excellent forums of XDA. As you are probably aware there is a lot of development currently underway of porting Froyo to this device.
We are all like minded and are trying to get the most out of our mobile devices. The nokia N900 is linux based as with the andriod system.
Thanks
I stupidly started a thread on this subject without searching earlier, apologies for that, should know better.
I see that there's a few of us wanting to see the N900 represented here.
I'd be happy to do some articles on the power mangement system and other bits I've learned since getting my N900, if only there was an appropriate place to put them.
Please don't say the obvious "put them on <insert-name-of-maemo-forum>". I trust this community to dissect and disseminate information in a constructive way. Other forums just don't give me the same confidence.
I think it'd be a smart move to add it for a few reasons:
1. It is a great way to combine the minds from here to another powerful device
2. With major companies now backing the Meego OS for there vehicle systems, this would be a great way to get the foot in the door as this OS gains some ground in the coming year or so.
3. The community here is exceptionally constructive...it's not about what can't be done, it's about discovering what can. What better tool to use than an fairly open sourced/linux based device.
4. My biased reason: Now that it's my only device, I miss xda :-(
I'm sure there are also some seasoned programmers familiar with the OS differences that would be able to bring up some more in depth reasons on why programming for this device wouldn't be a huge stepping stone from Android/Win Mo.
I would believe that breaking down all of the positives on the programming side of things might be a way for the admin's to make a thoughtful/final decision on whether or not it's worth XDA's resources to add the phone.
i had a n900 and i loved and even overclocked it, my youtube video was on engadget and got 50000 hits
anyways great device and hardware but letdown by nokia, i then bought the desire as i got bored of n900. so happy i got rid of it it had a major price drop in the second hand market.
I would really like to see one as well since I just got the N900. I really like the community here and doesn't want to leave this forum because I bought a n900.
hi together i also own a N900 since Nokia decided to choose Meego and Maemo5 is dying i play around with Nitdroid for the N900 its an Android Port for the N900 and works very well the only Problem is that the Phone radio dont works. The Nitdroid Port for the N900 is done by 3 People so far maybe some good Devs from here could help to get the Phone or GPS working for this, that would be amazing.
I guess nobody cares about the N900 anymore .. since Nokia goes to Meego i just hope about the Nitdroid Port.
Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
Considering that WM7 is about 4-6 months out from even being released, it is probably a little silly to be talking about this right now.
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Before I get boo'd off the stage, just hear me out.
I'm new to the whole cell phone modding scene as the EVO is the first nice phone I've ever had. When I get a new product, I'm the type of person that's going to customize it any way possible, even at the risk of breaking it (gotta love those high risk behaviors).
So my question is, what is the likelihood of seeing an unofficial WinMo7 flash for the EVO? Is this just way beyond the technical capabilities of anyone on the modding scene without access to internal specs? Are there any other phones that this type of thing has been done on to provide a frame of reference?
Don't get me wrong, I love Android and I've been very supportive of the products and developers on the marketplace. I'd just really like the option to flash WinMo7 if I wanted to.
And hey, at least I didn't say iOS4 right?
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chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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You have a better chance of being struck by lightening twice in the same spot.
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Or seeing WinMo 6.x on the EVO
timothydonohue said:
chances are damn near nil. winmo7 is not open source, so there will be no code available to get the kernel up and running. no kernel --> no talky talky between software and hardware.
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
Thank you for the valid responses I'm just trying to wrap my head around the cell phone scene so the input was much appreciated.
To the others, well, thank you for trolling. Who woulda thought that a legitimate question located in the legitimate forum would be so ridiculously stupid, amirite?
ok i will be the first
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
there is the OS Licensing cost.
as i understand it, Android is free (more free beer than free speech but that's a different thread). Microsoft is not ever free.
hence, if you hack android you're a potential nerd...if you hack windows you're a potential criminal.
kinda the same reason we don't put the apple os on devices...it's closed source.
oh yeah...and then there is the most important question... why would you want to defile your EVO like that?
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This confuses me... windows mobile 6.x isn't open source either, but people found all sorts of ways to mix and match hardware and software installs. Devices that stopped getting updated at WM5 ended up with user based ROMs for 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 years later.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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Interfacing an OS to hardware is all about drivers. On top of that, the software must be compiled with the correct instruction set for the CPU. This is why upgrading to a newer Win Mobile can be possible, but not Android to Win.
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not correct. WinMo7 is using ARM instructions just the same as WinMo6, WinMo5, 2003, Android, and everyone else unless you know something I don't.
Even further WinMo7 will most likely run on Snapdragon chips... so we can pull the necessary drivers from other systems.
The only thing that would be needed is either a haRET style bootloader but for WinMo or a dual bootloader that can load either WinMo7 or Android.
I think that we really need to build some interest in hacking this kin phone. It appears that there are very few who post but there are a lot more viewing. I decided to create this poll so that maybe we can show it to some skilled mobile hackers letting them know that this phone is not dead and has amazing potential. I encourage everyone who reads this to vote in the poll. without every single person showing interest we may never get anywhere. So don't just read this but sign up and vote. Show your support!!! Lets generate some interest. Vote now and then go spread the word.
I'm interested in seeing the phone get hacked so that all its minor annoyances can be fixed but:
1. do not have the kin twom phone (eyeing to get one)
2. suck at programming
I tend not to post because I am letting the experts (who have the phone and skills to hack the phone) post their progress and such.
I been preying/stalking former Kin phone developers out on LinkedIn as johnkussack suggested but no one has replied back to add me as a contact so that I could send them private msgs asking for their help.
Maybe if we could also start calling Microsoft/Sharp/Verizon. If we have enough interest maybe we could persuade them. Maybe one of us could just get lucky with talking to a "certain" individual who is willing to give some information out. Someone mentioned on another post that Verizon was willing to give out the rom with permission from Sharp. It might also help to remember the person you talk to so that you can call them often and develop somewhat of a "friendship". Any convincing people here?
theres actually some good progress in ideas, but no progress in actually succsesfully hacking it. We just need time.
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theres actually some good progress in ideas, but no progress in actually succsesfully hacking it. We just need time.
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Time and Information to be exact.
I would love to see this thing hacked
It has such great hardware for (now a feature phone). 8mp camera, 720p video recording, 600mhz Tegra processor, 256mb of RAM, and 8 gb of storage. Those are low-end (atleast on the processor and ram side of things) smartphone specs. If someone got android or hacked the actual Kin OS, it would be amazing. Honestly, I have to wonder if Microsoft (since they gave up on the phone) would hand over any info on it. I highly doubt it but eh you never know.
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I think this is why we dont have any serious phone hackers helping out.
http: // w w w.crunchgear. com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Zune-HD.png
Has anyone tried this?
Hook up your kin and see if it is recognized by windows phone connector?
it can recognize zune HD so why not kin?
and if it doesnt recognize kin we could make a driver...
any thought?
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I think this is why we dont have any serious phone hackers helping out.
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If no one makes if for "fun", no one makes it for recognition, and if no one does for money, you are allowed to begin to suspect what the Kin status is.
Why would you want to hack the Kin2. this guy i work with has one. He absolutly hates it. I would have to agree with him. I tried to use it for a couple mins and gave up.
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Why would you want to hack the Kin2. this guy i work with has one. He absolutly hates it. I would have to agree with him. I tried to use it for a couple mins and gave up.
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The reason we want to hack it is because the only that sucks about it is the OS. It has great hardware and could be an excellent feature phone if it were programmed better. Just one thought, look at the how smooth the interface and touch movement is in the zune portion of the phone. It is much smoother than the actual OS. Basically, Microsoft did a poor job with the OS and so the hardware is not being utilized to its full potential. That is why we are trying to optimize it.
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The reason we want to hack it is because the only that sucks about it is the OS. It has great hardware and could be an excellent feature phone if it were programmed better. Just one thought, look at the how smooth the interface and touch movement is in the zune portion of the phone. It is much smoother than the actual OS. Basically, Microsoft did a poor job with the OS and so the hardware is not being utilized to its full potential. That is why we are trying to optimize it.
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exactly, the poor OS development ended up it not using its full processor potential, its like they had a deadline to make it, and they werent finished....
I really want a Windows 7 phone but I don't want to abandon Android altogether. I was wondering if I could flash WP7 on my Evo and tinker around with it?
There is a Windows Phone 7 project somewhere within EVO general
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There is a Windows Phone 7 project somewhere within EVO general
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Any link??
Search
Deck's + SZ + SuperCharger script + ViperMod script.
There's always the "Windows phone Android" launcher on the market if you just wanna dabble without doing too much modding to your phone.
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jayare313 said:
There's always the "Windows phone Android" launcher on the market if you just wanna dabble without doing too much modding to your phone.
Sent from hell.
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No thanks, I want to use an actual, fully functional version of Windows Phone on my Evo.
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No thanks, I want to use an actual, fully functional version of Windows Phone on my Evo.
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I'm pretty sure it was abandoned awhile ago. Sorry
free the dirk
Just keep android... WP7 isn't that great anyway. Android is way more powerful and easy to use and a WP7 port wouldn't be fully functional anyway.
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Just keep android... WP7 isn't that great anyway. Android is way more powerful and easy to use and a WP7 port wouldn't be fully functional anyway.
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Why would you come in here and tell him, "Just keep Android. Don't worry about WP7." If he's like any tech enthusiast, he probably likes to tinker and just experience other operating systems and setup just for the sake of experiencing them. Hell, I do this all the time with computer operating systems.
If he wants to try out WP7, let him try out WP7. Don't tell him, "Just keep Android."
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Why would you come in here and tell him, "Just keep Android. Don't worry about WP7." If he's like any tech enthusiast, he probably likes to tinker and just experience other operating systems and setup just for the sake of experiencing them. Hell, I do this all the time with computer operating systems.
If he wants to try out WP7, let him try out WP7. Don't tell him, "Just keep Android."
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Well Put, #CoSign
Just like you stated your opinion, I am free to state mine. Personally, I like android. I like the custom ROMs available and I use them. As someone who came from WindowsPhone to Android I would not want to go back. I didn't mean to sound like I was against tinkering, it was simply my opinion on that specific subject. If they want to port it then fine lol. I won't try and stop them.
Here is the link to one of the themes available anyway:
https://market.android.com/details?id=info.tikuwarez.launcher3&feature
Here are a couple of threads that were for a WP7 Port:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1214061
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813184
And that is probably as far as it will go.
I do love to tinker and I really think I'd like a windows phone, I just don't want to buy one without playing with it for a week or so to make sure it's a worthy purchase. Perhaps I'll just wait til my contract is up and try a windows phone for 30 days...
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I do love to tinker and I really think I'd like a windows phone, I just don't want to buy one without playing with it for a week or so to make sure it's a worthy purchase. Perhaps I'll just wait til my contract is up and try a windows phone for 30 days...
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I know a few people that have WP7 Devices and they seem pretty satisfied with them as far as functionality. The OS is closed source though so there isn't much in the way of tinkering. At least not legally. I like the open source code of Android although that is getting too controlled now also by companies like HTC that don't want to allow redistribution of their software. Anyway check out the links I posted in my last comment. The theme from the market is kind of dumb but the other threads I've linked to may be of some help because even though they're old threads some posts in them point to other places where development may be going on currently. I hope I have been more helpful with this post and the one before this than with my first one lol.
I wanna learn how to make programs I have no experience but a basic know how of how stuff works. I have no clue what all that writing is that goes into making apps can somebody point me in the right direction of an explanation for each function? I wanna try to make apps!
Check out AIDE - Android Java IDE on the Google market....
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I wanna learn how to make programs I have no experience but a basic know how of how stuff works. I have no clue what all that writing is that goes into making apps can somebody point me in the right direction of an explanation for each function? I wanna try to make apps!
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Yea if you don't know anything about it, you are going to need to take classes at a college or read a lot of books. It's not something we can just give you a few tips and you will be making apps in a few minutes. There's a lot involved in programming and coding for someone who knows nothing about it.
Programming code is hard work and very time consuming and its not something you can really do from your phone, you need a proper computer with window's or more preferably Linux to write code and to do it proficiently your going to need atleast 2gb ram and a 2+ ghz dual core processor, but 4+gb ram and a 3+ ghz processor would be ideal even having multiple PC's networked into each other would be the best route as compiling code takes a lot of ram and processing power and will slow your computer to almost useless while it is compiling especially larger chunks of code that need to be debugged and compressed during the compile phase
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Wait....you're telling me that I can't make an app in 15 minutes from inside my phone while waiting on my tacos to be made??? WTF guys...you guys are useless..hahahahaha
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you need a proper computer with window's or more preferably Linux to write code and to do it proficiently your going to need atleast 2gb ram and a 2+ ghz dual core processor, but 4+gb ram and a 3+ ghz processor would be ideal even having multiple PC's networked into each other would be the best route as compiling code takes a lot of ram and processing power and will slow your computer to almost useless while it is compiling especially larger chunks of code that need to be debugged and compressed during the compile phase
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It is insane that people think like this. Especially in general terms like, "Multiple PC's networked into each other".
Just about any modern pc bought in the last 4 or 5 years would be great for native or web application development. Sure more is always better. But you shouldn't discourage people by giving them ridiculous figures about ghz and ****. A decent refurb x64 laptop would work great.
You definitely do not need (even in an advanced development workflow) multiple computers networked to compile ****ty java applications. Sheesh. The biggest performance hit is going to be the android emulator (and iOS simulator if you're on a mac). If you have a cheap android, you may not really need them anyway. Even then, they will work on low memory systems. Just be prepared to hear your hard drive go to town.
Anyway, here is some real advice on getting into mobile application development...
[Let me start out by saying that your tool set becomes more important as your progress. Text editors, IDE's etc. That being said, you can get away with a lot at first, but in the end, you really need to be on linux or a mac. Now, if you've never used linux before, I don't think its a great idea to try and become familiar with a new operating system AND a new skill like programming at the same time. However, they really do go hand-in-hand. My daily routine would take me 2-3 times as long if I didn't run linux and occasionally osx. Anyway, you can do android development on windows. But if you are really committed to doing this, you will thank me later for recommending ubuntu and fedora.]
Second, if you are stuck on android, don't start with java. Therefor, don't start with android/mobile. Its always good to start off learning proper programming on a more simple scale. At least for the first few weeks if you are really committed. Python is bad ass. So is web development. Hell, if you really wanted to make mobile apps, start with mobile web apps in html5. If you learn JS and understand OOP principals, its not a huge step to start working on an html5 app. With modern frameworks, its actually quite simple. Sencha Touch, ExtJS, and Titanium are fantastic for crossing that bridge. Obviously you can't make killer 3D games that rival gameloft, but you can make some kick-ass stuff in there.
Finally, pick a simple starter project and make it. You know? Pick a simple tool that you care about or really need, and just make it yourself. Examples: A graphing tool that keeps track of something in your schedule. A little tool to log your billable hours. Etc. My first python app was a plugin for XBMC that let me burn my xbox360 games using my remote control on my tv. Simple simple simple.
I guarantee after you build something simple for youself like that, you will get hooked and be on your way.
If you can postpone being a mobile app millionaire for a little while, I really recommend (again) python. Its great for learning object oriented stuff, and with django, cherrypy, and other frameworks/tools, you would really start to understand that thinking that goes into being a programmer... MVC, etc.
This will help you no matter where you go. I hope the swearing filters don't strip this out.
http://programming-************.com/
One final AND THE MOST IMPORTANT note... When, not if but WHEN you get stuck, just go read more tutorials and documentation. Hell, read a book or a magazine. Just read ANYTHING. Reading is the most valuable tool a programmer has. Don't immediately run to forums and beg for help. That won't get you anywhere. Read read read then search search search. I cannot stress that enough. Can't find a solution to your problem? Try going back a few chapters and reading some more. That doesn't work? Search for similar problems. If that doesn't work either, try to redesign or rebuild your app in a way that just removes the source of the problem. If that fails, THEN you probably have a tough problem that people will actually want to help you fix. I promise.
College DOESN'T effing stress reading enough. That's why you see a bunch of idiot java developers coming from universities and don't know ****. I went to college for BS-ACS Chemistry. Now I do mobile application/web development. The only reason I found it so easy was because I was not scared of reading. Try it, you might like it
I'm not talking about building a simple app I'm talking about real development, real programming not making a simple 2d twitter knock off but building ROMs from source or apps compatible with multiple devices especially apps utilizing 3d graphics. It takes alot of RAM and processing power to compile that kind of data, sure ur average best buy laptop can build u a Facebook, notepad, twitter, forum Crawler app but if u build a ROM from source on it don't even think of using it for anything else during the compile. I have a box with dual quadcores clocked at 3.2ghz each and 16gb of ram and it can't keep up with all the code I run while I try to work as well hence why I have 6 PC's networked together for compiling code and 2 laptops for work
Not to mention he asked if he could do it from his phone maybe you should learn to read the OP before providing your lack of development knowledge when it comes to building anything at all from.scratch
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Exactly, he asked about making apps. Not roms.
Even if he did, you dont need to suggest such massive scale hardware to a beginner.
Further, you personally aren't networking 6 nodes to compile ****. I'm 100% on that fact. Even if you were that misguided, that's kinda lame. You can build specs using multiple threads on an i3 laptop and it builds just fine. Hell, I've played angry birds while compiling a new fedora kernel. Why would you think to suggest such crazy stuff?
You don't need to lie and/or talk up your mad development skills and 6 node development tool chain to impress me, friend. I already had a good indication of your mad skills when you suggested all of this nonsense in the first place. You obviously know what you are talking about... Anyone that has capitalized every other letter in their username, and spells concept with a K is obviously a serious dev.
Send me a request on gh and we'll compare private repos. You are such a mad skills dev that I wouldn't have anything to worry about -- you wouldn't want to steal code from a guy like me that doesn't know what I'm doing.
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You obviously don't know much about programming software from scratch using anything requiring 3d graphics why do you think cyanogen mod uses 12 core xeon 32gb ram servers to compile, I build stuff for 5 devices, epic touch, evo 4g, galaxy note, moto photon and the kindle fire and I also have to be able to do my job which requires CAD so you don't need to try and tell me what I use to write and compile code since you quite obviously have never seen my home office go troll somewhere else, and like I said the minimum he would need is a 64-bit quad core at 3+ghz and a minimum 4gb RAM to efficiently compile code and still use the computer and for it to not take 24+ hours for it to complete
I've been using this same user name across many chats and forums since 1997 u obviously have epeen issues dude
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3 or 4gb of RAM and anything that says core on it would be fine for what the dude is asking for. Get real.
As far as cyanogen goes, I would imagine he does have a boss ass rig because of how many devices they distribute.
But since you don't do any of that, its unlikely you have anything of the sort, and more likely you say outlandish **** on forums to make people think you do more than you say. You clearly don't.
... Still waiting to compare repos. I didn't get a request from you yet. It could be that you capitalize every other letter in your username and are too cool so the system didn't send it. Or you simply forgot that when you make a retarded username you need to escape those characters. You are so eViL. Or is it EvIl? I'm not good at remembering homo-erotic usernames.
I'll never understand lying in forums to impress dudes you are never going to meet in real life. I guess your mad skills need emotional support. Sorry if I set you back a few issues of vanity fair.
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First of all you don't know what I do or don't do, simply because I don't release my stuff publicly. You clearly have serious issues and I'm done with you, I have nothing to prove to you so there's no point in wasting my time, there are plenty of people on here who know what I can do and have done so your epinion means abosolutely not a damn thing to me, have a nice day and I hope you seek help for your issues you have I'm actually working so I don't have time to compare repos with people who have less posts than I have thanks, the only person here who needs to make themselves feel better about their life on the internet is yourself, I'm quite happy with my life, I have a great family a good job and a nice home to live in, I don't have to troll forums looking for ppl to compare my epeen too, you act like you're 12, "my repository is bigger than yours" seriously grow up little man
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First of all you don't know what I do or don't do, simply because I don't release my stuff publicly. You clearly have serious issues and I'm done with you, I have nothing to prove to you so there's no point in wasting my time, there are plenty of people on here who know what I can do and have done so your epinion means abosolutely not a damn thing to me, have a nice day and I hope you seek help for your issues you have I'm actually working so I don't have time to compare repos with people who have less posts than I have thanks, the only person here who needs to make themselves feel better about their life on the internet is yourself, I'm quite happy with my life, I have a great family a good job and a nice home to live in, I don't have to troll forums looking for ppl to compare my epeen too, you act like you're 12, "my repository is bigger than yours" seriously grow up little man
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Dude just do you! This dude is obviously a troll and has nothing better to do then to clown on other people to make his sorry ass life seem decent. I know what you can do and there's plenty of people that know of your skills so don't bother with this Jackass anymore! Just let him talk to himself on here and whenever he gets his refill on his lortabs, he'll calm down a bit..hahahaha
Yeah you obviously aren't letting this bother you. Being incorrect in your reasoning will do that to you.
... STILL waiting on that github request. Almost all of my repos are private too. You can still hide your directory tree from me as a collaborator. I won't hold you to the same thing. This will give you a chance to go make a bunch of fake projects to live the lie just a little bit longer... haha.
Wish I had some lortabs actually. Good call.
Like I said I'm done with you I have no need to compare anything with you, I have no one I need to impress especially not you, you're a quite disturbed individual. Why don't you flex your grip on reality and get a life, instead of internet stalking me like the loser you are. now have fun trolling the web looking for someone to try and compare yourself to to make yourself feel better about your pathetic little life, now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to work I have money to make and kids to feed, have fun with your adolescent lifestyle and pumping up your epeen
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-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Like I said I'm done with you I have no need to compare anything with you, I have no one I need to impress especially not you, you're a quite disturbed individual. Why don't you flex your grip on reality and get a life, instead of internet stalking me like the loser you are. now have fun trolling the web looking for someone to try and compare yourself to to make yourself feel better about your pathetic little life, now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to work I have money to make and kids to feed, have fun with your adolescent lifestyle and pumping up your epeen
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Yeah because correcting a lying know it all and keeping him from giving bad advice to a beginner seeking real information somehow equates to stalking. Even though I haven't private messages you or talked to you in any other thread.
Especially since you are the one that got your civil union pal to help defend you.
Also you keep saying you are leaving and then YOU keep coming back. That's what happens when you lie. You have to keep pretending to keep the lie going.
I still haven't received a notification on github. The difference between you and me? I back up the **** I say. You revert to having your non-hetero friends come in here to back you up when someone calls you on your embellishment.
Let me know when you want to stop running scared. Oops. That statement alone could constitute Internet stalking to little girls that keep coming back for more... Live the lie.
Edit: hahaha I keep thinking about how stupid you sound talking about "networking" 6 computers together to compile roms that don't exist. My intern just said to me on gtalk, "I've been doing this for 6 months and even I know this guy is a nobody. Hes never messed with node arrangements because he called it 'networking'"... Hilarious.
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Yeah because correcting a lying know it all and keeping him from giving bad advice to a beginner seeking real information somehow equates to stalking. Even though I haven't private messages you or talked to you in any other thread.
Especially since you are the one that got your civil union pal to help defend you.
Also you keep saying you are leaving and then YOU keep coming back. That's what happens when you lie. You have to keep pretending to keep the lie going.
I still haven't received a notification on github. The difference between you and me? I back up the **** I say. You revert to having your non-hetero friends come in here to back you up when someone calls you on your embellishment.
Let me know when you want to stop running scared. Oops. That statement alone could constitute Internet stalking to little girls that keep coming back for more... Live the lie.
Edit: hahaha I keep thinking about how stupid you sound talking about "networking" 6 computers together to compile roms that don't exist. My intern just said to me on gtalk, "I've been doing this for 6 months and even I know this guy is a nobody. Hes never messed with node arrangements because he called it 'networking'"... Hilarious.
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Bro really...while I can see that you have some basic knowledge and prob decent programming skill...you coming in here being a little douche proves nothing. You personally attacking someone else for a user name really really are you that pathetic and have to sink that low cause you have nothing else better to do.
Yeah I personally know evil and know his set up and exactly what he can do. He has helped me with app development and my script work here as well. I've worked with him doing rom development. I also have compiled aosp from source and anyone who has knows its a long ass process and can take up to 24 hours to compile and will fail if your system specs are to low which a basic refurbished older computer could not handle. I know that ics took my 6 core forever and even then I ended up dumping it.
Here's a thought if you want to attack someone then try me. You won't hurt my feeling but you will make yourself look like a bigger ass.
I could care less what you know and what you've done. You don't show up on this forum being a douche and not get called out for it.
Oh and before you ask I have no desire to compare my gh to yours so don't bother asking.
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Bro really...while I can see that you have some basic knowledge and prob decent programming skill...you coming in here being a little douche proves nothing. You personally attacking someone else for a user name really really are you that pathetic and have to sink that low cause you have nothing else better to do.
Yeah I personally know evil and know his set up and exactly what he can do. He has helped me with app development and my script work here as well. I've worked with him doing rom development. I also have compiled aosp from source and anyone who has knows its a long ass process and can take up to 24 hours to compile and will fail if your system specs are to low which a basic refurbished older computer could not handle. I know that ics took my 6 core forever and even then I ended up dumping it.
Here's a thought if you want to attack someone then try me. You won't hurt my feeling but you will make yourself look like a bigger ass.
I could care less what you know and what you've done. You don't show up on this forum being a douche and not get called out for it.
Oh and before you ask I have no desire to compare my gh to yours so don't bother asking.
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Why would I want to do any of that to you? You didn't give out elitist/false information to a guy who is just at the beginning of, maybe, learning to code. Nor did you claim some incorrect minimum system specs that google doesn't even back up (http://developer.android.com/sdk/requirements.html).
You can easily tell the people who know enough to be dangerous, and know enough to try and mislead others. And I'm sorry, but people who do the EvErY oThEr CaP lEtTeR in a misspelled username obviously picked up their technical knowledge from this movie:
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So no, I wouldn't start something with you for no reason. And I especially didn't "show up" in this forum trying to be a dbag to anyone that would listen. Just the ones that spew bull****.
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Why would I want to do any of that to you? You didn't give out elitist/false information to a guy who is just at the beginning of, maybe, learning to code. Nor did you claim some incorrect minimum system specs that google doesn't even back up (http://developer.android.com/sdk/requirements.html).
You can easily tell the people who know enough to be dangerous, and know enough to try and mislead others. And I'm sorry, but people who do the EvErY oThEr CaP lEtTeR in a misspelled username obviously picked up their technical knowledge from this movie:
So no, I wouldn't start something with you for no reason. And I especially didn't "show up" in this forum trying to be a dbag to anyone that would listen. Just the ones that spew bull****.
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Lol I actually really like that movie. And as far as user names go I could care less. I mean look at name. Its a cartoon character for the 80's. I don't see u talking **** bout that. Also android sdk isn't what takes forever to use or compile. Its actually pulling the aosp code from google which for ics is huge and then compiling it and debugging it and pulling the correct drivers for your device. Believe me it takes forever. Most guys when ics first hit had a really hard time with their beasts of a system. Some said u needed more that 8 cores and 16 gb of ram to even start and even then it was slow. I happen to agree with that after trying myself.
Now when it comes to mobile app development that can be done on a laptop. I'm used a dual core 4 gb 3 yr old gateway laptop for my stuff and eclipse and other programs work OK but for serious work u need heavy duty hardware. Also there is a difference between a node and networking. You can hook up a chain of computers within the same room to use as a build bot and that's exactly what cynagen does with his stuff except they arnt using little beast computers they r using massive server towers.
Anyways all I'm saying is that with the small amount of time you've posted on this forum its not a good idea to start issues and fight with a senior member. Not only does it not get you anywhere but it gives u a bad name and makes other member see u as a negative influence around here
BenRivera said:
Check out AIDE - Android Java IDE on the Google market....
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This is exactly what I was talking about! Thanks man, all I have to do now is figure out how to build apps. Thanks man +rep
flexgrip said:
It is insane that people think like this. Especially in general terms like, "Multiple PC's networked into each other".
Just about any modern pc bought in the last 4 or 5 years would be great for native or web application development. Sure more is always better. But you shouldn't discourage people by giving them ridiculous figures about ghz and ****. A decent refurb x64 laptop would work great.
You definitely do not need (even in an advanced development workflow) multiple computers networked to compile ****ty java applications. Sheesh. The biggest performance hit is going to be the android emulator (and iOS simulator if you're on a mac). If you have a cheap android, you may not really need them anyway. Even then, they will work on low memory systems. Just be prepared to hear your hard drive go to town.
Anyway, here is some real advice on getting into mobile application development...
[Let me start out by saying that your tool set becomes more important as your progress. Text editors, IDE's etc. That being said, you can get away with a lot at first, but in the end, you really need to be on linux or a mac. Now, if you've never used linux before, I don't think its a great idea to try and become familiar with a new operating system AND a new skill like programming at the same time. However, they really do go hand-in-hand. My daily routine would take me 2-3 times as long if I didn't run linux and occasionally osx. Anyway, you can do android development on windows. But if you are really committed to doing this, you will thank me later for recommending ubuntu and fedora.]
Second, if you are stuck on android, don't start with java. Therefor, don't start with android/mobile. Its always good to start off learning proper programming on a more simple scale. At least for the first few weeks if you are really committed. Python is bad ass. So is web development. Hell, if you really wanted to make mobile apps, start with mobile web apps in html5. If you learn JS and understand OOP principals, its not a huge step to start working on an html5 app. With modern frameworks, its actually quite simple. Sencha Touch, ExtJS, and Titanium are fantastic for crossing that bridge. Obviously you can't make killer 3D games that rival gameloft, but you can make some kick-ass stuff in there.
Finally, pick a simple starter project and make it. You know? Pick a simple tool that you care about or really need, and just make it yourself. Examples: A graphing tool that keeps track of something in your schedule. A little tool to log your billable hours. Etc. My first python app was a plugin for XBMC that let me burn my xbox360 games using my remote control on my tv. Simple simple simple.
I guarantee after you build something simple for youself like that, you will get hooked and be on your way.
If you can postpone being a mobile app millionaire for a little while, I really recommend (again) python. Its great for learning object oriented stuff, and with django, cherrypy, and other frameworks/tools, you would really start to understand that thinking that goes into being a programmer... MVC, etc.
This will help you no matter where you go. I hope the swearing filters don't strip this out.
http://programming-************.com/
One final AND THE MOST IMPORTANT note... When, not if but WHEN you get stuck, just go read more tutorials and documentation. Hell, read a book or a magazine. Just read ANYTHING. Reading is the most valuable tool a programmer has. Don't immediately run to forums and beg for help. That won't get you anywhere. Read read read then search search search. I cannot stress that enough. Can't find a solution to your problem? Try going back a few chapters and reading some more. That doesn't work? Search for similar problems. If that doesn't work either, try to redesign or rebuild your app in a way that just removes the source of the problem. If that fails, THEN you probably have a tough problem that people will actually want to help you fix. I promise.
College DOESN'T effing stress reading enough. That's why you see a bunch of idiot java developers coming from universities and don't know ****. I went to college for BS-ACS Chemistry. Now I do mobile application/web development. The only reason I found it so easy was because I was not scared of reading. Try it, you might like it
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This was a well thought out post, and a great read. Thank you for putting an effort towards helping me. Lol its gonna take me about a week to pick through all this knowledge, but I will put it to good use. Thank you.