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[Q] Several Noobish questions

i have a couple of questions that are burning a hole in my head so i need to let loose with them.
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how can i tell what rom i flashed? i know dumb a$$ question but i forgot which rom i flashed since it was one that came out the night 2.2 official was dumped and it was the first stock 2.2 deodexed released.
i have several (ok a crap load) downloaded and a few on my sdcard. how can i tell which stock deodexed 2.2 rom i flashed? is there an app that will tell me. Phone's software info doesnt have the authors name in the version name, so i cant tell which.
2)
i want to try a few other rom's but dont want to lose the rom i have because everyting works 100% and i like that, regardless of who makes the rom.
what can i use to backup my current phone memory so that if i dont like the other roms i can just revert back.
nand backup doesnt do this right? (even though the size of the backup to me denotes it just might be the ticket)
3)
is there an app, via market, here, or sdk tools/emulator where i can take and tweak the speed at which things open.
its my thought that many roms are faster because the opening speed is altered so things open faster. just like you can do in LauncherPro.
is there a way that i can do this within the phone or externally to a file or two and then adb it back to the phone?
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i will add more, i am forgetting some i know.

1) well i can tell you what kernel, by going to about phone> software info
2)use rom manager when installing new rom, and itll ask u to make a backup, so when ever u want to go back to the old rom, restoe u last backup
3)i dont know about open close speed, but for phone speed itself, use setCPU and that controls how much of the CPU is being used when its (charging, screen off, etc.)

thanks Rocklee,
1)
kernel is easy, but i guess that doesnt really tell me which rom right? well not directly.
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i thought rom manager wasnt recommended much anymore? this is just things i read, probably just certain roms i suppose. i really dont see amny people talking about it. and it does only support a few roms in terms of downloading.
3)
setcpu wont effect the opening/closing speed in the manor that i spoke of but good call. i guess because launcherpro can adjust the opening speed of certain things i assumed Sense had that ability hidden somewhere too.

v_lestat said:
thanks Rocklee,
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kernel is easy, but i guess that doesnt really tell me which rom right? well not directly.
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i thought rom manager wasnt recommended much anymore? this is just things i read, probably just certain roms i suppose. i really dont see amny people talking about it. and it does only support a few roms in terms of downloading.
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setcpu wont effect the opening/closing speed in the manor that i spoke of but good call. i guess because launcherpro can adjust the opening speed of certain things i assumed Sense had that ability hidden somewhere too.
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2) ROM Manager is just fine. If you buy into the rumors about ClockworkMod not wiping correctly, just flash Amon RA instead, you can use either one with RM. You can download ROMs over the normal Internet, too, you know. Just copy them to the root of your SD card.

v_lestat said:
thanks Rocklee,
1)
kernel is easy, but i guess that doesnt really tell me which rom right? well not directly.
2.6.32.15-g746f4f0
[email protected] #58
2)
i thought rom manager wasnt recommended much anymore? this is just things i read, probably just certain roms i suppose. i really dont see amny people talking about it. and it does only support a few roms in terms of downloading.
3)
setcpu wont effect the opening/closing speed in the manor that i spoke of but good call. i guess because launcherpro can adjust the opening speed of certain things i assumed Sense had that ability hidden somewhere too.
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1 - check the software information screen under software number - some devs put their infor there - mine says "Baked Snack 1.2.5" telling me exactly what ROM I'm using.
2 - I don't use ROM Manager anymore because frankly, I just don't trust it. I don't know what it's wiping when it says clear cache, and there have been too many questions with how efective it wipes, even through recovery. Having said that, if you do want to back up, I would recommend not doing it through rom manager, but directly through recovery instead (hold volume down and power with the phone off). From here, you can nand a full backup, and also restore that backup to get your phone to the exact same state it was in if you screw up somewhere.
3 - nothing on this - pretty sure that's specific to launcherpro.

Thanks for the reply
Yup I am aware of everything you just mentioned.
I just didn't think a nand backup would restore if you flashed a new rom.
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v_lestat said:
Thanks for the reply
Yup I am aware of everything you just mentioned.
I just didn't think a nand backup would restore if you flashed a new rom.
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Just a quick tip using Nand....once you create a backup, plug your phone in to your computer, go on to your SD card in the folder named "nanadroid" open it and then open the folder with your device name on it and "rename" your backup to whatever you want. I created about 5 backups and then I wanted to flash a previous one and couldnt figure out which file was which lol. Oh and remember not to use spaces when renaming....use_underscores.

Launcherpro has setting that controls open and close speed. Stock is set at 4, but I set mine at 10, and everything is instant.
Edit: disregard, I didn't read your questions fully, sorry. Didn't see you mentioned Launcherpro.
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[Ask Your Questions Here] Questions & Answers for Epic 4G Users

CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE WIKI
I have decided to open a Questions and Answers thread on this section of the forum. This is a good way to keep the number of new threads with questions down to a minimum, which will make new threads essentially for people that are contributing to the Samsung Epic 4G. This includes, but is not limited to, people that are providing the following:
- Roms & Kitchens
- Programs & Apps
- Fixes & Tweaks
- Skins & Themes
- Tips & Tricks
I would like to request the help from other members to keep the thread in order and in check. This will have the added side effect of creating an ever self updating knowledge base that will far extend the content of the Wiki. This will in turn save us from having to answer the same question a billion times...
Please refer to the Wiki first before asking any questions though! It can be located here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SPH-D700
CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE WIKI

Any idea when the OTA push for2.2 will start?

jg187211 said:
Any idea when the OTA push for2.2 will start?
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Unfortunately, we don't have anyone in the community who has inside access to that information. Some of our members are affiliated with Sprint, and so have slightly more reliable rumors, but even their sources have thus far been wrong if they quoted a specific date...
So I hope you understand that I'm not being a jerk when I say, we won't know until it actually happens (and this will probably always be the case)
That being said, this most recent leak (DK28) seems stable so far IMO, so it could potentially become our official update

ok im a total noob to all this stuff. i followed the guide to update my epic to 2.2. the problem is, that the camera, gallery, and a couple other apps dont work. Can someone help me? Should i go back to 2.1, if so, how do i do that?

EDIT: Angry rant removed, thanks to the mods for a quick response (and to the member who's post was removed: no hard feelings, I hope you understand)
Just remember to read before posting, to make sure your post will be relevant and not redundant
jayzn210 said:
ok im a total noob to all this stuff. i followed the guide to update my epic to 2.2. the problem is, that the camera, gallery, and a couple other apps dont work. Can someone help me? Should i go back to 2.1, if so, how do i do that?
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Whenever flashing a ROM using either recovery, it's always a good idea to wipe the phone (as in factory reset - I'm not referring to wiping the cache or the dalvik cache, although both steps are also usually recommended)
If you used the odin method described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=861213
then you might have flashed the wrong tar - DK05 and DK17 both had the camera problem, make sure you have the DK28 file.
If you have the right tar, then you could have an incomplete download... I doubt that though, when that happened to me, my phone wouldn't boot at all. But you might want to redownload the tar just to be sure (double check the filesize after it finishes and before you flash, if it seems too small then it messed up again)
That's the best general advice I can offer, but if you'd like to provide more details about the method you used (especially a link to the guide you used, if it isn't the one I provided), someone here might be able to identify where you're going wrong

i followed the instructions from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=861213. i didnt use odin, i just used the .zip method. it took me a lot of tries cause i kept getting errors. the second mirror link worked for me, but like i said, my camera, gps, gallery and some other apps dont work.
oh and everytime i try to flash again, i get the error.

It sounds like you're either starting from the wrong rom or not wiping the phone before flashing the zip. All of the zip updates I have seen require you to start from DI18 stock (root an clockwork seem to be okay in my experience, all other mods must be removed) - if you have installed any custom roms, your best bet is to follow the odin method using the stock DI18 tar - so you may as well just skip the zip methodand odin to the stock DK28 tar
And you absolutely must wipe the phone (again, factory reset - I suspect many people are just wiping the cache and/or the dalvik cache).
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Odin flashing
I've got a quick question. I'm looking to move to a build using the DK28 information release and it requires that I update the pit and modem files on my phone using Odin. Do I need to flash a 2.2 rom right away or am I safe to boot into my current rom first?

KaiXXV said:
I've got a quick question. I'm looking to move to a build using the DK28 information release and it requires that I update the pit and modem files on my phone using Odin. Do I need to flash a 2.2 rom right away or am I safe to boot into my current rom first?
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Are you doing the strictly odin method (full froyo in a tar file)? Or an update.zip?
The odin method *should* include the modem and everything (and you use the updated pit in the same process) - you'll have to read the particular thread that you got the download link from, but I haven't noticed any odin tar files that required the modem separately
For the update.zip method, I don't know if it matters whether you flash the modem before or after applying the zip through recovery - I don't think either one overwrites the other, but that's a part of the process I can only guess about. But regardless of when you odin flash the modem, that's when you'll use the new pit file (the same as the odin-only method above).
As far as I know, the primary difference is that the update.zip doesn't inherently overwrite user data (but you'll probably have broken programs that FC all the time, which means a wipe is necessary, making this somewhat null). I prefer the odin method because it is a fresh flash of the entire system (I usually let it repartition as well - no one else has posted about that feature so I have no idea if it's a fluke that it hasn't given me problems)
Hope that helps

which is the best
so i have updated to dk28 froyo 2.2 i like battery life and performance can anyone offer info on which is the best rom for me or just some insight on which rom is the best overall

How do I stop running applications from starting every time I restart my phone?? I have the start up auditor but for some reason everytime I restart my phone the apps I have disabled keep restarting themselves and I have to go into the running programs and disable them manually. WTH?? Doesnt programs constantly running in the background kill the battery life?? How do I disable apps from starting?

youngpro83 said:
How do I stop running applications from starting every time I restart my phone?? I have the start up auditor but for some reason everytime I restart my phone the apps I have disabled keep restarting themselves and I have to go into the running programs and disable them manually. WTH?? Doesnt programs constantly running in the background kill the battery life?? How do I disable apps from starting?
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How I understand it, especially with Froyo, you shouldn't have to kill programs in the background, if said 'background' process or service is working normal or efficiently. I still kill the DRM process when I reboot my phone, and not sure if it's still causing drain issues.
Also (someone else confirm this), I believe that constantly 'killing' certain background processes actually uses MORE battery, since it has to constantly restart itself. I've had a much more stable device *not* using auto killers, and just sniping one here and there that I know to cause drain.
Some reading material on GC, tho, in regards to memory management

Ignore me!

devo52 said:
so i have updated to dk28 froyo 2.2 i like battery life and performance can anyone offer info on which is the best rom for me or just some insight on which rom is the best overall
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A lot of it is personal preference - this early in the game, the primary differences between the roms are going to be mostly cosmetic. So for now, the best advice I can offer is to try each of them and decide which theme you like. Regardless of how you upgraded, you had to use odin, so you have succeeded at the most difficult step of the process - and odin can bring your phone back to life if something goes wrong, so it's an invaluable skill to have.
In the meantime, keep watching the threads (quietly, unless you have a question that hasn't been asked already - we're working on cleaning up the forum to make it easier for everyone to find answers... but I digress...)
It's too early to be sure of any of the fixes out there - we have at least three separate fixes for the GPS issues; some people find success with one, others with another, and a lucky few don't need the fixes at all... so in summary, we can't say which is better or worse just yet, stay tuned and decide whether you want to experiment on the bleeding edge, or wait for these things to be stable and thoroughly tested.
And if you have any doubts, just stick with the stock DK28 for now

tl;dr, questions in BOLD.
Okay, after spending the entire night scouring the internet/this forum and starting from absolutely zero-knowledge about the Android OS, I managed to update my Epic to 2.2, and root the phone. Now, I'm kinda stuck as far as customization goes. I see all these cool skins and battery life mods and stuff, but they don't exactly offer any steps as to how to install them. Since I don't exactly know what file-types do what, I'm kinda shooting blindly at trying to update/install something "custom" onto the phone. So, my question(s) is/are:
What does the ROM do?
What does the ROOT do?
I know the root basically "unlocks" your phone, but that's all I know. The process of customizing the phone still remains a mystery. (that's the problem with following step-by-step instructions, rather than actually knowing what you're doing.)
I also don't understand the purpose of flashing a phone. Flashing, in my experience is to update something, like say a BIOS. But that sets the system back to square 1 as far as all settings go, in this particular example.
If I flash, with say Odin, after having updated to DK28 and "rooting," won't this make all the "customization" that I've done prior basically 'null' because I've just flashed the phone into a blank-state?
Sorry if these are questions easily answered by searching, but I just spent my entire sleep-cycle trying to find the answers to these questions, and managed to only get so far. I look forward to the answers On another note, I am now EXTREEEEMELY pleased with my phone. Before this evening, I was just the regular, old run-of-the-mill enduser. I liked the cool built-in customizations and all the apps and what not, but never dreamed of being able to customize my phone to THIS EXTENT. So, now it's something I'm very interested in doing..it makes my phone truly mine.

zdavidi said:
What does the ROM do?
What does the ROOT do?
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Did you see the link to the Wiki in the original post of this thread? That's where I started when I first got here, it helped me understand the basics.
zdavidi said:
If I flash, with say Odin, after having updated to DK28 and "rooting," won't this make all the "customization" that I've done prior basically 'null' because I've just flashed the phone into a blank-state?.
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It depends on what you flashed with Odin. If you only flash a modem file, then your customizations and apps are untouched. If you flash an entire ROM in "tarball" form then not only does it re-write the modem but it also overwrites all user data. Think of the latter as resetting the phone to stock and works even if you cannot boot up.

When can we expect a custom Kernel with netfilters for wifi tethering?

n00b question.
If an SDK version is released (say, like, Gingerbread today), does that mean chefs could take it and cook up a ROM for ANY phone (say, like, the Epic)? Or do they need something else to do that?

Remove Touchwiz Launcher (consequences?)
Hey-- I'm using Quantum 2.0.0 ROM, and I never use the touchwiz launcher. Does anyone know if it's safe to just remove the apk? (TouchWiz30Launcher.apk) or is there other functionality tied to it?
I use LauncherPro, fyi.

Please forgive my ignorance... I've searched the forums, looked at the wiki...
I use titanium backup and am now running the DK27 froyo build by noobnl. My question... How do I restore my e-mail accounts to the phone everytime without having to re-type them in? I've been flashing a rom every other day on average since I got the phone and it's getting REALLY old.

[Q] Help me pick a ROM PLEASE...

Ok, more than fairly new to android. Ive ran on windows, windows mobile and blackberry for a very long time. Finally decided Android seemed like the hot ticket (cus f*** apple) and im trying to get into this stuff.
Im a geek whose been de-geeked (haven't spent much time on the computer in the last 8-12 months, comps currently unplugged and still packed after a move, currently at a library to post this.... you get my point), and so im limping into the android world. I bought and love my epic, but I didnt buy it to run it stock so im looking to upgrade. Things I really want in a rom/want my epic to do (i understand if not ALL are possible):
-Full Flash (10.1?)
-Preferred Froyo base
-I dont mind the look/feel of the stock Shell, but Ive never experienced any others so I guess Im open to suggestions and testing them out.
-For some reason, my images don't load in full quality, Ive been told some ROMs fix this. id like it fixed.
... My list is surprisingly shorter than I initially thought it would be when I started this post... so I may edit it soon as I remember other important things.
P.S. Ive done some searching around, don't flame me. It seems hard (extremely hard) to look at each one ROM individually, see its features and what is has to offer, compare and contrast and then pick one. Ive seen a few lists with random ones compared, but no list of all of them (I imagine that would be very hard to keep up to date). It seems more like, when someone makes a ROM they say what it is, what it does, what is has and if you miss the bandwagon then you miss it completely.
Thank you for all recommendations

I like bonsai rom on froyo. Its fast and very stable. It also has swap enabled. If you wanted to go to this froyo rom for flash support then you have to upgrade cause your on eclair now. The easiest way to get to this rom is to go into the dev. Section and find the one click root plus clockwork version 3. Not 2.5.5 but version 3. But before you do that you need use a program called Odin to flash your modem from di18 eclair to dk28 froyo. Then once you boot into cwm it will change your filesystem over from rfs to ext4 and then you flash the bonsai rom and your done. Sorry I don't have links for you I'm using tapatalk and its a pain in the ass to post links but go to the dev section and look its all in there. Good luck
Sent from my Evo Killer!!!

I've tried a few different roms but so far I like ViperRom's frozen 4.0.3 the best. It has flash and is very very stable. Its based on dk28 and the step by step instructions are a breeze on their thread. It uses cwm 2.5 and everything is available on their thread.
Sent from my [frozen] epic.

Thank you guys for the responces, ill check them both out when I get to a real computer. Odin sounds like fun ;D sorry it took me so long just to check up on my own thread, life is... life.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

musclehead84 said:
I like bonsai rom on froyo. Its fast and very stable. It also has swap enabled. If you wanted to go to this froyo rom for flash support then you have to upgrade cause your on eclair now. The easiest way to get to this rom is to go into the dev. Section and find the one click root plus clockwork version 3. Not 2.5.5 but version 3. But before you do that you need use a program called Odin to flash your modem from di18 eclair to dk28 froyo. Then once you boot into cwm it will change your filesystem over from rfs to ext4 and then you flash the bonsai rom and your done. Sorry I don't have links for you I'm using tapatalk and its a pain in the ass to post links but go to the dev section and look its all in there. Good luck
Sent from my Evo Killer!!!
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One thing I've had aa question on for a while...do you HAVE to do the odin method? It ddoesn't really affect me anymore, but I installed 2.2 through an update.zip
I was wondering if there are any differences.
Sent from my Epic 4G

acer1096xxx said:
One thing I've had aa question on for a while...do you HAVE to do the odin method? It ddoesn't really affect me anymore, but I installed 2.2 through an update.zip
I was wondering if there are any differences.
Sent from my Epic 4G
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No there isnt, i updated via updatezip both 2.2 and the modem, i first flashed the modem, then tried to flash 2.2 but i had to flash the d118 stock rom unrooted then it updated and then i was able to ext my system then get on bonsai.
Since ive had my epic, ive avoided odin all together..

A new guy's stupid questions:

Please be patient with me, I'm new to the entire smartphone era.
I've spent the last week or so scouring these forums deciding what I can and cannot do with my brand new Epic. What I unfortunately was unable to find were directions put into laymans terms as exactly how to properly flash your phone (I am still even unsure as to the correct terminology for many things). When I read the wiki and the forums I'm lost about a paragraph in.
It would be incredibly appreciated if any of you had tips for a new person to these forums and to this lifestyle itself. I'd love to know how to properly modify my phone without breaking it (and not feel like I'm reading a medical dictionary). When/if I do mod my phone, I'd like to know how to go about restoring it should I for whatever reason need to take it in to the extremely... helpful.. Sprint store here in my area. I'm pretty quick to learn and as I said, I'd really love if someone willing to be patient with me would explain to me the ins and outs I would need to know to take advantage of my phones capabilities.

Well most roms now use ext4 filesystem instead of RFS (default) so you have to install Clockwork Mod 3 which will auto convert it
CWM3 directions:
Download Here
On phone go to applications -> development -> usb debugging (turn on)
plug phone into usb port, run the run.bat from the CWM folder (it might say something like restart server and wait for phone to reconnect i generally just close the window and run the run.bat again then it'll mount as r/w and install)
Then after your phone reboots transfer any ec05 ext4 rom to your sdcard, i suggest This one.
After that turn off your phone completely.
Hold volume down, camera button, power. This will boot into clockworkmod.
CWM will backup all data, format, then restore the data... it'll take a few minutes.
Now if you want to start fresh click wipe data / wipe cache and also go to advanced/wipe dalvic cache. If you want to keep all your apps just proceed to the next step
go to Install from sdcard, browse sdcard for the rom.zip, select it, let it do its magic, after its done go back to the main menu, reboot system, and you're done
EDIT: Cwm controls -> volume up/down to naviage, Power = back, Camera = select. I think you can also use the keyboard arrows and stuff but i find it easier using the buttons

I think you should start him with cw2.5 instead of 3.0. 3.0 will brick his phone unless he is ready to flash a rom right alway!!

Those directions are much easier to follow.
What are the negatives to doing this to your phone (besides the ultimate brick)? Would doing this allow me to give my phone the ability to hotspot it?
How would I go about restoring it should I not like Syndicate and wish to return to stock?

OmegaMateria said:
Those directions are much easier to follow.
What are the negatives to doing this to your phone (besides the ultimate brick)? Would doing this allow me to give my phone the ability to hotspot it?
How would I go about restoring it should I not like Syndicate and wish to return to stock?
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If I was you I wouldn't be in such a rush to flash a rom. Root first and take from there. It took me a whole month to flash a rom before I felt comfortable with the terminology. Catch up on some reading first

hi I also am still new to this even though i flashed my phone at least a 100 times and got my buddys epic rooted i followed this forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=798067. they did a great job with links to get cwm2.5 and also the adb files. so when you root your phone the computer will find your phone. One thing that did keep me held up for a while was when you have your phone in debug mode. connect the phone to the usb. but do not press connect on your phone. hope this helps some. I spent about 3 long days reading and gathering everything before trying and like a day and a half trying.

shook187 said:
If I was you I wouldn't be in such a rush to flash a rom. Root first and take from there. It took me a whole month to flash a rom before I felt comfortable with the terminology. Catch up on some reading first
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You're probably very right.
What permissions does rooting get me? To root my phone I should use clockwork or something different? If so, you suggested 3.0 and someone else 2.5. Opinions on both for a newbie?

shook187 said:
I think you should start him with cw2.5 instead of 3.0. 3.0 will brick his phone unless he is ready to flash a rom right alway!!
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No such thing will occur. He might get it into a position of where he can only use odin but certainly not a brick. I have heard of only 1 person bricking their phone in 6 mths and that was a dev cuz he was messing with the bootloader. Jump in at your own pace.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

OmegaMateria said:
You're probably very right.
What permissions does rooting get me? To root my phone I should use clockwork or something different? If so, you suggested 3.0 and someone else 2.5. Opinions on both for a newbie?
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I never suggested 3.0, I would do 2.5. 3.0 Requires you to flash a rom cause it won't boot without a rom. If you use 3.0 without flushing a rom, you'll get stuck at the samsung screen.

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I never suggested 3.0, I would do 2.5. 3.0 Requires you to flash a rom cause it won't boot without a rom. If you use 3.0 without flushing a rom, you'll get stuck at the samsung screen.
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Sorry, my mistake!!
I'll check out 2.5. Anything I should know about rooting in general?

OmegaMateria said:
Sorry, my mistake!!
I'll check out 2.5. Anything I should know about rooting in general?
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The main thing which you already mention is the free wireless tether.

CWM 2.5.5 = the RFS root method. You can use it to install EC05 roms that have RFS support
It allows you to run programs with superuser... such as wifi tether, wireless tether, titanium backup, root explorer... thats about it for the basic user
If you want tweaks/fixes what you want is a custom rom... most all will have
Call log fix (remove the sms notifications from in your call log), Kernel fixes/updates/added features, deodexed, zipaligned, custom boot animations, voodoo audio/color, custom touchwiz, etc..
You wont brick your phone regardless, but if you do it exactly as i typed you wont have any problems either . The reason you want to put a rom on your sdcard before you boot into CWM3 is so you can flash a compatible rom that has a ext4 kernel...
EDIT: and regarding the negatives, well you wont brick your phone unless say your battery dies as you flash it... The ext4 non-journaled will actually make your phone last longer over the RFS system. The only thing I can think of is the root method removes the Free HD games and Asphalt 5 Demo which the official OTA updates check for when u get them. Doesn't matter though because you can update your rom through CWM anyways lol.
About positives, atleast for me: Longer battery life, faster phone, less annoying bugs, sexy look, custom boot/shutdown, free wifi tether/wired tether, automatic backups set every night at 5am.

I went straight to cwm 3.0.0.6 as a noob but I must have read 1000 posts in various forums regarding root, the file system(s), custom software/ROMs/kernels. The key is read post after post about where others have had issues until you no longer come accross any new issues. Then you know what you are getting into. Just remeber, glitches can occur and during flashing, there are writes that have no error checking and sometimes require a reflash at best and a system restore at worst. It comes with the territory. It is unlikely you will brick your device as long as you are careful to follow insructions, although the reality is (no matter how many times you hear how safe it is) that there is a very very slight chance that a glitch while using software such as odin could send you back to the Sprint store for a new one. Its exceedingly rare, though.
The small risk was worth getting the phone that I wanted originally - instant responsivness, access to every customization and dev. level control of the hardware (free tethering!) - everything runs better - games,browsers,vids (look better and sound better), music sounds better, etc. Etc. There are some seriously talented devs. here. If you decide to take the plunge, check out k0's ACS Frozen ROM and mysteryEmotionz (sp?) Theme(s). When you go from stock to those, you can't help but wonder WTF sprint and samsung are thinking. Yeah, its that good.
Good luck!
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blu9987 said:
CWM 2.5.5 = the RFS root method. You can use it to install EC05 roms that have RFS support
It allows you to run programs with superuser... such as wifi tether, wireless tether, titanium backup, root explorer... thats about it for the basic user
If you want tweaks/fixes what you want is a custom rom... most all will have
Call log fix (remove the sms notifications from in your call log), Kernel fixes/updates/added features, deodexed, zipaligned, custom boot animations, voodoo audio/color, custom touchwiz, etc..
You wont brick your phone regardless, but if you do it exactly as i typed you wont have any problems either . The reason you want to put a rom on your sdcard before you boot into CWM3 is so you can flash a compatible rom that has a ext4 kernel...
EDIT: and regarding the negatives, well you wont brick your phone unless say your battery dies as you flash it... The ext4 non-journaled will actually make your phone last longer over the RFS system. The only thing I can think of is the root method removes the Free HD games and Asphalt 5 Demo which the official OTA updates check for when u get them. Doesn't matter though because you can update your rom through CWM anyways lol.
About positives, atleast for me: Longer battery life, faster phone, less annoying bugs, sexy look, custom boot/shutdown, free wifi tether/wired tether, automatic backups set every night at 5am.
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I went into the run.bat file in the one click root and removed the 2 lines that give the command to delete the free hd games demo and asphalt 5 demo. Ran the one click root, and I still have those 2 installed on my phone. Beats having to reinstall them again in the future and preventing an update because of the missing apps.

Tirregius said:
I went straight to cwm 3.0.0.6 as a noob but I must have read 1000 posts in various forums regarding root, the file system(s), custom software/ROMs/kernels. The key is read post after post about where others have had issues until you no longer come accross any new issues. Then you know what you are getting into. Just remeber, glitches can occur and during flashing, there are writes that have no error checking and sometimes require a reflash at best and a system restore at worst. It comes with the territory. It is unlikely you will brick your device as long as you are careful to follow insructions, although the reality is (no matter how many times you hear how safe it is) that there is a very very slight chance that a glitch while using software such as odin could send you back to the Sprint store for a new one. Its exceedingly rare, though
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Yeah I've spent the entire week when not at work reading about it to see if it's worth it. I have a hard time following the directions I find though because they're normally written for experienced folks and not beginners.
Apart from Rooting it (as explained very well earlier) I still have no clue about flashing, how it works, or how to do it. Nor do I want to just fiddle around with it and break it. I can't find a good guide on ODIN or backing up that I can understand comfortably enough to risk flashing my phone so I'm kindof at a loss.

Go on YouTube and search "randyshear". He has step by step videos for pretty much everything. Makes it easy
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OmegaMateria said:
Yeah I've spent the entire week when not at work reading about it to see if it's worth it. I have a hard time following the directions I find though because they're normally written for experienced folks and not beginners.
Apart from Rooting it (as explained very well earlier) I still have no clue about flashing, how it works, or how to do it. Nor do I want to just fiddle around with it and break it. I can't find a good guide on ODIN or backing up that I can understand comfortably enough to risk flashing my phone so I'm kindof at a loss.
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I was the same way and to some degree still am. What I did was read and read. I read the WIKI several times realizing that a lot of it was written for someone more experienced than I. I also read how to restore a bricked device and return to stock a few times. I installed everything to return to stock on my PC so if I had a failure I already had my path back to working stock. I went to CM 2 just to get some experience. Then I went for it to CM 3 and Syndicate 1.0 and have been incredibly happy that I did.
Also know that terms like brick are used a lot but is then followed up with my phone will do this or that. In the definitions a brick is literally as good as a brick for a phone. The term is used way too much incorrectly so don't let that scare you. You will see when reading that there are only a few things to do if there is a problem. Frequently you will read to re download the files or use a different cable or USB port. If you keep reading you will become more comfortable with your ability to find the answers if there is a problem because there are people on here that seem to take great joy in helping people like you and I out and they have the experience and knowledge to help.

Trust me ... keep reading and searching and you will start to put the pieces together. Don't be discouraged. If you are really interested in this stuff, you WILL get there.
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Definitely agree with JohnCorleone, Randyshear has a ton of very good youtube vids. Helpful with rooting also with picking a ROM. Just to add my two-cents. The "epic cookbook" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=967014...Helped me over and over again. alot of info, without alot of scavenging throughout threads. Good luck

There is no need to flash a rom right off the bat. Rooting with one click will give you a good jumping point. I would one click root to cw3 let it convert to ext4 then do a backup. Use titanium backup to remove all the junk bloatware.
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[Q] Still unrooted 2.2-want to upgrade to 2.3-any reason to wait?

Recently reset EVO fixing issues but it's still unrooted 2.2 with Go Launcher EX, any reason not to allow HTC software system update 4.24.651.1 (109.22 MB) -FOTA update to 2.3 as some apps are requiring it (previously people were saying it would be harder to root in the future if needed)?
BTW, just checked internal phone storage & I'm down to 55 MB so I would have to try to make space-how much available space would you recommend for this & free in general (& if you recommend this update)?
-Thanks

You can root with unrevoked then upgrade to Gingerbread using any custom ROM, like CM7. Or, if you're interested in ICS, you can try the ROM in my signature, which has a functioning 3MP camera.

Lacedaemon said:
You can root with unrevoked then upgrade to Gingerbread using any custom ROM, like CM7. Or, if you're interested in ICS, you can try the ROM in my signature, which has a functioning 3MP camera.
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Thanks but what about if I want to wait to root & how much available space do you recommend for all this (damn EVO should have had more internal storage)?
-Thanks

SMARTPHONEPC said:
Thanks but what about if I want to wait to root & how much available space do you recommend for all this (damn EVO should have had more internal storage)?
-Thanks
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Honestly, I've never run out of internal space on my EVO, and I'm always switching ROMs & recoveries on the go; Therefore I don't exactly have any recommendations for you. However, if some of the apps you need or really want require Gingerbread, then there's really no reason to wait to upgrade, as there's always Revolutionary to root.

Lacedaemon said:
Honestly, I've never run out of internal space on my EVO, and I'm always switching ROMs & recoveries on the go; Therefore I don't exactly have any recommendations for you. However, if some of the apps you need or really want require Gingerbread, then there's really no reason to wait to upgrade, as there's always Revolutionary to root.
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Good to hear that from you but before the reset I could not install anything & was getting insufficient storage errors, how much more expensive would it have been for HTC to have put in 4-16GB internal..
If I root with unrevoked instead of rev preview as I'm still 2.2, would I be able to apply to this HTC update or would that unroot me or cause conflict (or would I then be limited to compatible unofficial custom ROMs post any root)?
I moved most apps to sd & now have 145 MB available internal storage, but if I apply this 110 MB update, will that only leave me with 35 MB or would I be able to get rid of temp files etc?
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartandroidapps.equalizer for example requires 2.3+ & says it's currently "incompatible" (but was surprised Skype front cam works on 2.2 eventhough I had read that it required "Android OS 2.3 or higher allow apps to access the front facing camera" which had sounded odd)
To root-custom ROMs, how much space would you all want to see before proceeding as running out of space could be disastrous, no?
BTW, is anything not working in your ROM (what do you mean "has a functioning 3MP camera" as the EVO rear camera is 8MB)?
-Thanks

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Good to hear that from you but before the reset I could not install anything & was getting insufficient storage errors, how much more expensive would it have been for HTC to have put in 4-16GB internal..
If I root with unrevoked instead of rev preview as I'm still 2.2, would I be able to apply to this HTC update or would that unroot me or cause conflict (or would I then be limited to compatible unofficial custom ROMs post any root)?
I moved most apps to sd & now have 145 MB available internal storage, but if I apply this 110 MB update, will that only leave me with 35 MB or would I be able to get rid of temp files etc?
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartandroidapps.equalizer for example requires 2.3+ & says it's currently "incompatible" (but was surprised Skype front cam works on 2.2 eventhough I had read that it required "Android OS 2.3 or higher allow apps to access the front facing camera" which had sounded odd)
To root-custom ROMs, how much space would you all want to see before proceeding as running out of space could be disastrous, no?
BTW, is anything not working in your ROM (what do you mean "has a functioning 3MP camera" as the EVO rear camera is 8MB)?
-Thanks
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The rom is still being worked on so the developers haven't got the camera to perform at the 8mp level yet like it's capable of. Future updates should of that rom should bring more functionality.
If your thinking about rooting, I would go for it. Even if you update to 2.3 and use revolutionary, it is very easy and only takes 5 minutes to root. Plus that will help get more internal storage. Using apps2sd and partitioning your sdcard will help a lot as well. Just a suggestion if you were to root, I would get the MikG 3.0 rom as it's one of the most stable,and everything working properly, gingerbread roms out there.
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scottypeterson said:
The rom is still being worked on so the developers haven't got the camera to perform at the 8mp level yet like it's capable of. Future updates should of that rom should bring more functionality.
If your thinking about rooting, I would go for it. Even if you update to 2.3 and use revolutionary, it is very easy and only takes 5 minutes to root. Plus that will help get more internal storage. Using apps2sd and partitioning your sdcard will help a lot as well. Just a suggestion if you were to root, I would get the MikG 3.0 rom as it's one of the most stable,and everything working properly, gingerbread roms out there.
Sent from my Supercharged MikG'd up EVO 4g while eatin some Chop Suey.
Hit that thanks button if I managed to help.
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Before Go Launcher EX I was more eager to root but I'm quite satisfied with the customization GoLEX offers. Part of me wants to root to delete the bloatware & for the free Wi-Fi tether (probably barely use it as it's a battery hog but the option would be nice for emergencies). Good to hear about fast root & fully enabled stable ROMs though..
This MikG 3.0? I like 3D interfaces but I think I'm done with Sense as I never want to see "Loading..." ever!
Still curious how much space would you all want to see before proceeding with a root-ROMs?
-Thanks

Still curious how much space would you all want to see before proceeding with a root-ROMs?
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Doesn't matter. When you root it doesn't take any space. When you flash a custom ROM you would take the apps you want and back them up to your SD card using an app called "Titanium Backup". Then you would go into what's called "recovery" and you would wipe everything off of your phone and install new software. I would recommend Decks 1.3 if you don't want sense or MikG 3.0 if you still want sense. Then you would go back to the app titanium backup and restore the apps that you backed up.
So when you are done it will give you TONS of storage space available. Like all but about 120 on MikG and all but about 50 on Decks 1.3.
Does that explain it well enough?

rocket999 said:
Doesn't matter. When you root it doesn't take any space. When you flash a custom ROM you would take the apps you want and back them up to your SD card using an app called "Titanium Backup". Then you would go into what's called "recovery" and you would wipe everything off of your phone and install new software. I would recommend Decks 1.3 if you don't want sense or MikG 3.0 if you still want sense. Then you would go back to the app titanium backup and restore the apps that you backed up.
So when you are done it will give you TONS of storage space available. Like all but about 120 on MikG and all but about 50 on Decks 1.3.
Does that explain it well enough?
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Yup thanks, just making sure as insufficient storage errors used to torture me before I reset it.
What do you all think of Zedomax vids - guides- sites ?
Is unrooting ever an issue, any reason I should avoid rooting (i.e. security concerns etc)?
-Thanks

SMARTPHONEPC said:
Yup thanks, just making sure as insufficient storage errors used to torture me before I reset it.
What do you all think of Zedomax vids - guides- sites ?
Is unrooting ever an issue, any reason I should avoid rooting (i.e. security concerns etc)?
-Thanks
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Unrooting shouldn't be an issue. I've done it a coupe times to take my phone into sprint (rooting voids your warranty) and all you have to do is download the correct file or an RUU, rename it to PC36IMG and place it on your sdcard. After that, boot your phone into the bootloader (take out battery, put back it, hold don volume down + power button) it will then ask you to update, select yes. Let your phone do its thing and bam your uprooted with stock rom and s-on.
I have never came across any reason not to root. It's Imo the best thing you can do for your phone. For instance, with dtapps2sd I have around 110 apps installed and have 232 MB of internal memory left. After you root, your phone will run better and you can dramatically increase battery life.
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Since you are still on stock 2.2 just root using unrevoked. Then flash whatever custom rom you want. Since you actually still have the choice to use unrevoked over revolutionary, I would suggest unrevoked. It's also slightly easier to unroot unrevoked, although they are both simple to do. Also unrevoked forever!
Sent from my DECK'ed out EVO

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The rom is still being worked on so the developers haven't got the camera to perform at the 8mp level yet like it's capable of. Future updates should of that rom should bring more functionality.
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Actually, scottypeterson, the devs at Evervolv have gotten the camera working at full 8MP. I think the dev (MongooseHelix) wanted to release it publicly himself, so I'm not gonna post the .zip...
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BTW, is anything not working in your ROM (what do you mean "has a functioning 3MP camera" as the EVO rear camera is 8MB)?
-Thanks
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Evervolv 2.1.0p4 is the only ICS ROM I've heard of that has a functioning camera. Right now, without the .zip that MongooseHelix is developing, the back camera (the big one) functions only at 3MP.
The only other thing not working that I care about is 4G. I used to use MIUI, so for me, that's not necessarily a problem.

EDIT TO MY LAST POST: MongooseHelix has released the .zip on Twitter, here's the link to it: https://twitter.com/#!/MongooseHelix/status/156264001242796032

Upgrading to 2.3? Holy crap you're way behind the times. Most people, including myself, are running 2.3.7....or at the very least 2.3.5. Some have even made the switch to ICS already.
Not sure what has been posted in this thread already but there is no logical reason to wait to root your phone. And there is no logical reason to still be using Froyo when GB is significantly better....not to mention its the stock system the phone ships with. That's like being stuck on XP while the rest of the world has moved on to Windows 7.

Concordium said:
That's like being stuck on XP while the rest of the world has moved on to Windows 7.
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Sounds like my dad, Concordium.
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Sounds like my dad, Concordium.
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Nah for my dad I've set him up with iPhones. I'm the only one in my family who appreciates the superior freedom+value of Android, most of them have iPhones, one still on BlackBerry for work. I just upgraded my dad to iPhone 4S last month but if the Samsung Galaxy Note was available then on AT&T I probably could have sold him on its unique features..
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Upgrading to 2.3? Holy crap you're way behind the times. Most people, including myself, are running 2.3.7....or at the very least 2.3.5. Some have even made the switch to ICS already.
Not sure what has been posted in this thread already but there is no logical reason to wait to root your phone. And there is no logical reason to still be using Froyo when GB is significantly better....not to mention its the stock system the phone ships with. That's like being stuck on XP while the rest of the world has moved on to Windows 7.
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You guys are aware that Win XP is still the dominant OS right? This remains mostly because of business markets.
I would have updated to 2.3 but was getting insufficient storage errors even from small apps until I reset it (& previously some here encouraged me not to update to 2.3 if I planned to root most easily-safely). My EVO is also a business device so there are more security concerns (rooting is not sanctioned) but was planning on rooting it after I get its work replacement (interested in the Samsung Galaxy Note but I was not a fan of the SGNexus).
Rooting really isn't a security concerns for your work phones?
-Thanks

Well we're not concerned with Windows' distribution within the corporate world. We're talking about the typical end user.
Now, if you're running out of storage then you're not moving your apps to your SD card. Moving them to your SD card frees up internal storage and helps keep your phone running smooth. Also, allowing thousands of SMS/MMS messages to accumulate on your phone takes up space and slows your phone down.
As far as rooting goes, its not a security issue unless you are careless with the apps you put on it. Sort of like a computer. Antivirus is a good thing to have. But your antivirus doesn't really need to do much if you use some common sense while surfing the net. With rooting you can improve battery life, tether, customize your system however you want it, and much much more. There really are no downsides to rooting.
Edit: both unrEVOked and Revolutionary are easy as hell to use. Both do an awesome job of painlessly rooting the Evo. Which one you use is just dependent on your system and radio version.
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Concordium said:
Well we're not concerned with Windows' distribution within the corporate world. We're talking about the typical end user.
Now, if you're running out of storage then you're not moving your apps to your SD card. Moving them to your SD card frees up internal storage and helps keep your phone running smooth. Also, allowing thousands of SMS/MMS messages to accumulate on your phone takes up space and slows your phone down.
As far as rooting goes, its not a security issue unless you are careless with the apps you put on it. Sort of like a computer. Antivirus is a good thing to have. But your antivirus doesn't really need to do much if you use some common sense while surfing the net. With rooting you can improve battery life, tether, customize your system however you want it, and much much more. There really are no downsides to rooting.
Edit: both unrEVOked and Revolutionary are easy as hell to use. Both do an awesome job of painlessly rooting the Evo. Which one you use is just dependent on your system and radio version.
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What I'm expressing is a concern about using it in a workplace environment as well..I've read in theory rooting makes your device more vulnerable but glad to hear in practice it should not be much of a concern.
I do move as much as possible to the SD card, previously I just had too many apps, some of which could not be moved at all or entirely to sdcard. How much space can I expect to gain by rooting & deleting the stock's bloatware?
Could you elaborate on "dependent on your system and radio version", or i.e. since I'm still on 2.2 unrEVOked is an option vs Rev for 2.3?
-Thanks

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What I'm expressing is a concern about using it in a workplace environment as well..I've read in theory rooting makes your device more vulnerable but glad to hear in practice it should not be much of a concern.
I do move as much as possible to the SD card, previously I just had too many apps, some of which could not be moved at all or entirely to sdcard. How much space can I expect to gain by rooting & deleting the stock's bloatware?
Could you elaborate on "dependent on your system and radio version", or i.e. since I'm still on 2.2 unrEVOked is an option vs Rev for 2.3?
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There are security apps for the Evo. Things like Wavesecure and the like. They search apk's for malicious code. That would be a good thing to invest in if you're concerned about possible security issues.
Also, here is the page for unrEVOked. Scroll down on the page and check the listed versions. If your Evo is running one of the baseband versions listed then you can run unrEVOked Forever. If it is running a different baseband version then you need to use Revolutionary. You can check your baseband version by holding the volume up button and the power button at the same time until the white screen appears. Your baseband version will be listed at the top of the screen.

check out deck's ICS ROM, amazing! not a daily driver though.