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Hi,
I read about the Google Nexus One having a bug with multitouch. It tracks the finger position wrong.
It seems to be a hardware error.
Does this affect the Desire too? (N1 and Desire are close in hardware)
Source:
http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/is-multitouch-broken-on-the-nexus-one/
Because Desire in not in sale, nobody knows.
N1 and Desire have the same screen.
For me : Both of them have this bug.
Doesnt the N1 and the desire use same capasitive screen to the hd2 as well?
The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.
I'm not too worried after reading this post by Cyanogen:
Cyanogen's Solution
If this will get it to work pretty much like the droid, I'm fine with it.
Polarfuchs said:
The screen of the HD2 is bigger (4.3"). The Desire has 3.7"
But those 3 devices could have the same model and manufacturer.
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Sorry yes.. Aware of that... (hd2 owner) Mean produced in the same way.. I see the nexus one has the same cross hatches as the hd2.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/bad-news-htc-says-nexus-ones-dont-go-in-pockets/
i hope it is not the same with the desire....
Desire has the identical "Pinch to Zoom" touchscreen... :-(
youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE
This doesnt look good.. (i cant post links)
It is hard to see because of the blurry and spotlight reflections, but yeah the line jumps from one finger to the other. damn.
Here the link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOgFX1-EwE
Why is there always something wrong when a phone seems to be nice
I guess we are just going to see when we get our hands on the device.. No point picking holes in it before we even have it. Im sure i can live with this if the n1 owners can.
PLenty of vids out now that show multitouch in-use, such as the pinching on homescreen and using web browser etc. with no problems. I don't think this will actually effect usability. Also, Engadget ran an article using a different multitouch "measuring" software and it had no problems...wouldn't get all upset about this
Agree,I currently own a N1 and this doesn't affect the pinch to zoom at all. It works flawlessly.
its not a big deal!
The issue appears to be a hardware issue, .. but i think there is away to solve it using a software fix, ... for example instead of the OS takes the data as it is from the touch screen that provides it (which appears to be flawed), another layer should exist, that can process the data from the touch screen and fix that issue and then pass it on.
I am not sure how this is can be done, or what is the effect of it on the over all performance, but I dont think it will be a problem with the Desire hardware specs.
Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.
irkan said:
Even with this issue, i dont believe it is a big deal, ... why do you need multi-touch? IMO to zoom in, zoom out (impress your friends and family), which works perfectly. other than that I hardly find any useful applications for it, ... ok maybe some games need this functionality to work properly, but i think i can live with not having games that require multi touch.
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Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.
redrazr7791 said:
Typing is one thing that comes to mind
I am not trying to sound like a fanboy, but the multi-touch keyboard on the *cough*iphone*cough* is awesome. I have owned numerous HTC phones and the difference between say the MyTouch 3G and the iphone keyboard is like night and day.
Now, if there is a keyboard in the android market that is comparable then I will take back my previous statement. I haven't tried Swype, but have heard it is really good.
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This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP
irkan said:
This feature is not effected by the hardware "bug" of the touch screen, .. if you used both ur hands (2 fingers) at the same time to type and clicked "pressed the screen" on two different letters without moving them than you're completely safe
My point was that the type of multi-touch (mutli touch gestures or call it whatever ...) that is effected by the bug (IMHO) is negligible to most users
and that is exactly why am getting the Desire XP
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Thanks for clearing that up
http://www.youtube.com/user/androidpit#p/u/1/5_rT9YzE-xg
Watch from 5:40 till the end. Pinch-to-zoom is definitely there and is HELLA smooth too
Hello,
I dont now which phone to choose. I like both of them. I like Htc sense and touchwiz too. What i need from the phone ?
1. Good media player
2. Good internet browsing
3. good gps
Im thinking to buy a galaxy S, but i heard about cool thing for htc desire called OpenDesire. This thing makes desire really super phone. How do you think will something similar will be gor galaxy S ?
OpenDesire is a stock Android ROM, removing all the HTC Sense gubbins, and isn't something 'available' for the Galaxy S as it's written specifically for the Desire...
im really confused because i dont which phone to choose :/.
Definitely go Desire all the way.
I have heard people complaining the Sammy is slow in menus and GPS is super crap. Takes long to get a lock etc.
MisterMonitor said:
Hello,
I dont now which phone to choose. I like both of them. I like Htc sense and touchwiz too. What i need from the phone ?
1. Good media player
2. Good internet browsing
3. good gps
Im thinking to buy a galaxy S, but i heard about cool thing for htc desire called OpenDesire. This thing makes desire really super phone. How do you think will something similar will be gor galaxy S ?
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hello, I had both Galaxy S as well as the Desire I returned the Galaxy S after just 3 days of use as the battery life was just appalling! It was laggy, hated the UI (very slow compared to previous versions of TouchWiz) and also hated the "iPhone style" in the menu.. I hate iOS which is why I got Android! Also, the screen is very nice, but I really could not put it into my own pocket! Anyways whats the differance 0.3 inches eh?
Now that I('ve got the Desire, I just love it! Sense UI, fast, snappy, and NO lag! NEVER! Notofications bar, better than any notificatio0ns you get on any other phone, pull it down and sellect what you want! Love it! Camera is, well, equal, I dont use it that much to notice!
Music player, very good however in the Desire you dont get an equalizer! Once again, I love the phone!
It may seem that I am being biased, but thats the way I feel Just one more thing, when you type, you make mistakes, just like everyone, on the Galaxy S you have to use you fingers to get that little line to move where you want to correct, whereas on the Desired, you can use the Track Pad! Love this feature!
ohh and about the GPS.. well Galaxy S has accuracy of 5-30 meters (didn't get to test myself, thats what I've read), and on mine Dersire, 1-3 Meters! now you know which to pick!
hope this helps! good Luck!
Thanks for your post. Really helpfull.
But samsung galaxy S is getting 2.2froyo with a lot of fixes and also GPS fix. So i think they will fix lag . Also there's a lagfix for samsung.
Hi, why don't you go to a store, check them both, and buy the one which steals your heart
that's what I do if I need to chose between several phones
You now you can try each of them. But you cant try GPs and other stuff. Its better to ask in forum, because people owns that phones and can say much more prons/cons than you find by trying them
I own both phones. In fact I had a Desire and got rid of it for an iPhone but recently upgraded my contract and got a Galaxy S.
It's a great phone with some nice features such as 720p mkv video playback, streaming is nice too and the Super AMOLED screen is MUCH nicer than the SLCD in the Desire now. Movies look gorgeous on this thing.
However I chose to use the Desire again because it's got a few extras which I missed such as flash, LED notifications, the amount of custom roms available currently including Cyanogenmod 6 (currently use) and also the lag on the Galaxy S was driving me nuts in the end! Even with custom roms and lag fixes applied it would still lag sometimes, especially when trying to answer phone calls. The battery in the Galaxy did seem to a last a bit longer than the desire but I'm sure that can be sorted by watching what apps I use / finding the perfect rom.
At the end of the day they are both great phones and I'm sure you would love whichever one you had. My Dad borrowed my phone today and was watching mks in his dinner hour at work and was so impressed!
Its so hard to make a decision. Desire with OPenDesire ROM is super phone. So fast and battery lives longer and much more. I very like Galaxy S, but he have a buggy OS
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Its so hard to make a decision. Desire with OPenDesire ROM is super phone. So fast and battery lives longer and much more. I very like Galaxy S, but he have a buggy OS
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I had the problem after returning the Galaxy S, I had 2 choices, SE X10 or the Desire, was not disapointed
so the best choice now from androids is HTC Desire ?
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so the best choice now from androids is HTC Desire ?
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If you are asking it on Desire forum, what else would you expect? I personally have desire and I'm very satisfied with it. Earlier I had Galaxy Spica which was ok also over the earlier non-android phone.
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so the best choice now from androids is HTC Desire ?
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Given the Desire is nearly 6 months old now, I'd be inclined to wait a month or two if I were you as new models should launch shortly.
Regards,
Dave
But i heard that samsung have a buggy OS. And have no costum ROMs and etc. There's a lot of good roms for Desire, including the OpenDesire which makes your phone super
Personally I would prefer the Desire over Galaxy S.
I've had a little look at the Galaxy S and I think the camera app is a bit superior over the HTCs built in stuff - and when it gets the FroYo update it will probably be even more so.
But everything else seems nicer, smoother in the Desire.
Also I don't like the iPhone-esque of the Galaxy S - didn't like the iPhone - felt it was restrictive and thus went to Android in the first place... it was either that or the win Phone 7 - and that seems more orientated towards Xbox...
i were almost buying Galaxy S, but then i heard about super thing called OpenDesire. And heard that samsung OS is buggy, laggy. And no costum ROMs
HTC Desire HD/Ace is out soon apparently and looks nice, as is the Desire Z (but that might be US only)
EddyOS said:
HTC Desire HD/Ace is out soon apparently and looks nice, as is the Desire Z (but that might be US only)
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As I understand it, it will be released as the Desire Z in Europe, and the G2 in the US.
However, reports today suggest that the processor is underclocked to 800Mhz, which may mean it is being pitched as a lower end phone than the current Desire. Time will tell, as clock speed isn't everything!
Regards,
Dave
Not very smart to ask this in this section
Hello there dear Desire Z community!
I am thinking of upgrading my htc desire for a deisre z but i am torn between the DZ and galaxy S..So i went ahead and decided to ask a list of factors before i make my purchase (because i am obviously leaning towards the Z)..
1) and most probably most important.How is the battery life (e.g compared to a desire-n1) ?
2)is the screen viewable under direct sunlight? (desire sucked at this)
3)how is it in terms of GPU graphics compared to these devices? : iphone4 ,galaxy s,desire hd?
4)Does it suffer from the same multitouch bug the deisre/n1 do?And if not it can use true multitouch or dual touch?
5)How is the dev support around here? i know CM is also supporting a rom for DZ/G2 ,but are there are others devs doing nice work on the device?
6)Is there anything u miss from this device ?
36 views and no reply?i only asked because these questions can be answered by only someone that has lived with the phone for a while..
It does have proper multi-touch, but I can't answer your other questions, since this is my first Android phone. And I love it
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It does have proper multi-touch, but I can't answer your other questions, since this is my first Android phone. And I love it
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appreciate your feedback sir..enjoy your new handheld!
1) Battery life is amazing, much better than the N1. I can stretch around 18 hours with HEAVY use (mostly texting non-stop )
2) Under direct sunlight the phone does pretty well, just have to crank up the brightness. Remember, this is no S-AMOLED, but still does pretty well.
3) Best GPU I've had so far, Comes pretty close to the Galaxy S.
4) No multi touch problems Tracks 4 fingers independently
5) We have awesome dev support Most notably Enom and Cyanogen himself and the dev support will only increase over time...
6) Coming from a N1, I can say I don't miss anything. The G2 is a proper successor to the N1, better then that crap Samsung Nexus S garbage.
Note: GALAXY S IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. Feels like a cheap plastic toy
I forgot who it was, and what thread. But there is somebody on here that switched from a Galaxy S to the Vision, and he said the Vision was a much better phone. Do some reading on the CPU lag and GPS issues on the Galaxy S to help you decide. Also, being an HTC device, and also since it has the hardware keyboard, the Vision will likely remain a favorite of developers for some time.
In my opinion, the Vision is only the SECOND android phone worth owning. The first being the Dream. N1 wasn't good -- touch screen keyboards are ok for punching in something very SHORT, like a market search term, but anything longer and you're bashing your head against a wall. Faster or not, a lack of a keyboard is DEBILITATING. What can you do with fast if you can't get your data into it. All other keyboard androids suffered from retard issues, like incorrect button alignment and/or being motorola.
Also note that the Vision is the direct successor of the Dream (not the N1). I.e., a vision is kind of like a dream, but more powerful. It has basically the same characteristics of the Dream, but more and faster. The naming is also designed to imply a succession.... Its "vision" as in having a vision of the future, rather than "vision" as in seeing something with your eyes.
Thats great!thanks for the feedback and extra info all of u guys...i guess it turns out the only thing i miss is the better screen part..I think i will enjoy the hw kb!
Anyone keen to play with the Kernel driver for the touchscreen on the desire, to come up with a patch that keeps axis inversion/sticking to a bare minimum? This is the only think keeping me from getting a desire, as I don't want to be held back by hardware. Playing multi-touch Pong and Air Hockey with my friends at school is something I want to be able to do, not to mention the almost console quality games like NOVA. A fix (kind-of) was made for the Acer Liquid By a guy playing with the kernal drivers. All of my developing focus is going into learning Java right now (Gotta start somewhere, right? ) and I do not have a device to test on, so if someone could have a go with the source from the Acer thread or create something themselves from/for the kernel at developer.htc.com would be more than greatful, because I'm not exactly keen on the Desire hd's form facter and buttons, despite the performance. Sucks that all the Desire phones have a big flaw. (Desire - Multitouch. Z - hinge. HD - Size could be a problem, buttons too flush and delicate battery, sim, and SD covers.)
Thanks in advance for your time, and, hopefully, hard work.
Would be very cool, It's practically impossible to play games like modern combat, or any other games where your fingers cross, because of the axis swapping. A fix that, almost, prevents that would be awesome.
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Yeh, that very a big problem...
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I know it's impossible to truly fix it, but you can get close. personally, I don't care for having more than two finger gestures, I just want perfectly stable multitouch. If someone could create a driver that assigns an id to the first and second touch, and tries to, as accurately as possible, track which registered touch is which, even when the movement exceeds the refresh rate of the screen/sensor, and reads 2 individual touches when they are close/the axises are close. I've been reading up on how the synaptics ClearPad 2000 works, and it reports 2 coordinates for each touch, an x and a y. Shouldn't be too hard for it to not get very confused, right? I'd say, this is a year overdue. But the Desire is still one of the greatest phones ever made (if not THE). This issue still stands between me and it, even though it can barely be noticed in everyday use.
Korntoff, trust me when I say I'm not trying to be rude, although it may come across that way (the internet isn't good at the subtle and nuanced art of conversation) but don't you think it's the height of arrogance to believe you're the first person to have even considered this? It's the 14th of February. The HTC Desire will have been available for a whole year in just two days and you're asking this as if it hadn't dawned on all of these people for almost a year.
If someone could create a driver that assigns an id to the first and second touch, and tries to, as accurately as possible, track which registered touch is which, even when the movement exceeds the refresh rate of the screen/sensor, and reads 2 individual touches when they are close/the axises are close.
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Wow...such a simple solution...why have none of us thought of it!!? C'mon man.
so this will never be fixed?
IIRC, this is a hardware issue rather than a software issue. So I don't think it's possible.
i am already regretting buying the htc desire... i am getting it tomorrow.... i didn't know there was that multitouch issue until yesterday... i always thought the htc devices wre top notch as it got such great reviews... none mentioned the multitouch bug... i was planning to play a lot of games... i am so disappointed..
edit: i think the issues of htc desire should be stickied.. i can't believe i missed that issue before i was deciding to buy the desire... it's too late now... i was planning to buy the acer liquid but saw it had multitouch issue... through the forums... i missed it for desire... darn
are there some tips to avois this multitouch bug while playing games or typing on the virtual keyboard?
I tried NOVA and it seemed fairly responsive to be honest - there was a recommended control setup for the desire to help prevent the multi-touch issue - and i am sure i read somewhere a tip was to try and make sure the touches don't line up with each other?
yup i saw it... but are all games configurable like nova?
yeahman45 said:
i am already regretting buying the htc desire... i am getting it tomorrow.... i didn't know there was that multitouch issue until yesterday... i always thought the htc devices wre top notch as it got such great reviews... none mentioned the multitouch bug... i was planning to play a lot of games... i am so disappointed..
edit: i think the issues of htc desire should be stickied.. i can't believe i missed that issue before i was deciding to buy the desire... it's too late now... i was planning to buy the acer liquid but saw it had multitouch issue... through the forums... i missed it for desire... darn
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In The Netherlands we have a 7 day cooling down period after buying something or signing a contract (with most expensive purchases). In those days you can cancel your purchase for free. You should see if something like that applies where you live as well.
thx for the advice but no such thing here... anyway thx for helping.. i got the phone and yes got some issues with the multitouch... guess i will live with it.. apart from that the phone is very good!
i just played crash bandicoot warped on fpse and i mapped the x and o keys on the "search" and "back" physical keys and use the touch dpad... and works pretty good!!! i have reached the first boss level quite easily... if only all android games were that customizable!! would be able to play all the multitouch games properly
My Dad gave me his hd2, and it has the axis sticking issue, but not axis swapping. Less of an issue, but still annoying at times. (Such as playing N.O.V.A (btw, I can't find it on the market, using an apk I downloaded from some site (I hope it was a free app and that this is perfectly legal, but I'm probably wrong.) Is it still on the market? How did you guys find it?) But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?) So it's not that much of a big deal.)
Btw, nexus gingerbread ROM, hence signature.
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My Dad gave me his hd2, and it has the axis sticking issue, but not axis swapping. Less of an issue, but still annoying at times. (Such as playing N.O.V.A (btw, I can't find it on the market, using an apk I downloaded from some site (I hope it was a free app and that this is perfectly legal, but I'm probably wrong.) Is it still on the market? How did you guys find it?) But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?) So it's not that much of a big deal.)
Btw, nexus gingerbread ROM, hence signature.
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i thought hd2 had clearpad 2000 like nexus one and desire???
"But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?)"
but still some casual gaming with no bugs wud have been cool..for the price u pay for this kind of phone
yeahman45 said:
i thought hd2 had clearpad 2000 like nexus one and desire???
"But this phone was definately not built for gaming (adreno 200, anybody?)"
but still some casual gaming with no bugs wud have been cool..for the price u pay for this kind of phone
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Casual gaming is still very possible, just don't expect halo 3 graphics. Does the hd2 have clearpad 2000? Maybe the Desire multitouch isn't such a lost cause.
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i am already regretting buying the htc desire... i am getting it tomorrow.... i didn't know there was that multitouch issue until yesterday... i always thought the htc devices wre top notch as it got such great reviews... none mentioned the multitouch bug... i was planning to play a lot of games... i am so disappointed..
edit: i think the issues of htc desire should be stickied.. i can't believe i missed that issue before i was deciding to buy the desire... it's too late now... i was planning to buy the acer liquid but saw it had multitouch issue... through the forums... i missed it for desire... darn
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Without sounding rude, it's not an issue or a bug, the bottom line is the desire dosent have multi touch, it has dual touch, the axis flipping is just a downside to that type of touch panel, it's nothing to do with the quality of htc products, as the screen is behaving as it should. so you really should of researched your purchase before you bought it.
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Even though the hd2 has the same touch panel and no axis swapping issue.
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how come hd2 does not have the axis swapping issue although it has the same screen as htc desire and nexus one??
Sad times...sad times...
I see this place is also RIP.
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Sad times...sad times...
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How do you define "decent replacement"? I definitely missed having a QWERTY keyboard when I used a full touch device after my Desire Z died, but I've been using the BlackBerry Priv for the past 7 months and it's great. Didn't think I'd like a portrait slider, but at 5.4" screen size I'd say it's the better solution, the keyboard is maybe even better than DZ's plus it's capacitive and allows scrolling, various gestures while typing etc. Can't be rooted, but thankfully BB runs nearly stock Android so I'm also very happy software-wise.
There's also the newly announced candybar BlackBerry KEYone.
RIP G2 forums
HTC needs to step it up with a reboot of the Desire Z/G2
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RIP G2 forums
HTC needs to step it up with a reboot of the Desire Z/G2
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I was hoping that HTC would do that for quite some time, but they don't exactly seem interested. If you need or want a physical keyboard and Android, BlackBerry is your best bet.
There's also this, but a 5.5" landscape slider seems like a silly idea IMO.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/keyboard-mod-a-physical-keyboard-for-the-moto-z#/