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I'm about to give up on this phone. It constantly lags/glitches/resets in messaging, has all kinds of issues with multitasking, and is extremely slow and unreliable.
ANYONE out there that has a fully functioning messaging/internet/calling machine out there - please post what you did from start to finish to create a great phone.
Thank you.
This is my last attempt - been terrible since "upgrading" from AT&T Tilt
I see from your sig that you're using a ROM with Sense 2.5 which may be the source of your problems.
If you want to read my story, keep going. Otherwise, my tip is to "downgrade" to official WinMo 6.1 ROM.
Here's my story:
When I bought the device, I was pleasantly happy with the stock ROM which has WinMo 6.1 and the version of TouchFlo3D that doesn't have the weather in the Home tab.
The 1st ROM I flashed was the official HTC released WinMo 6.5 ROM. Huge mistake. Everything worked but just seemed slower. I've since tried multiple cooked ROMs over the months. They were all faster than the official WinMo 6.5 ROM but there was always a glitch here and there. Often, it was minor enough to be suitable for daily use.
But then I decided recently to switch back to my stock WinMo 6.1 ROM just for the heck of it. It's so much faster and smoother. And everything just works.
Positives of the original WinMo 6.1 ROM over others:
1. Multitasking - Under normal usage, I've never had an application autokill because RAM was running out. This is the case even with Push-Internet enabled. With other ROMs, I can almost never run Opera, Streaming Media, and MSN Messenger at the same time. One of them will certainly autokill.
2. TouchFlo3D smoothness - There's no stuttering and drops in framerates when moving the slider. With other ROMs, (especially Sense2.5) it's never as smooth.
Drawbacks of the original WinMo6.1 ROM over others:
1. Lockscreen - The stock lockscreen of WinMo 6.5 is much more elegant and useful than that of WinMo 6.1
2. TouchFlo3D - It has since been replaced by newer versions with more functionality and eyecandy. But to be honest, the only thing I miss is the weather forecast on the Home tab.
3. Overall finger friendliness in the OS - Dropdown menus and checkboxes are all better in WinMo 6.5.
Its up to you if you want to move back to 6.1....but i hated 6.1... i had more problems with it
With windows 6.1... i had problems with my bluetooth... when i have the bluetooth on my ear for 10 minutes without a call... i lose connection,, i get "lost connection"
With windows 6.5.... the problem was solved... didnt have no bluetooth problems anymore
I want to love my TP2 but ever since I upgraded my OS to 6.5 and other cooked ROM's, I've had issues. WM 6.5 seems to cause my TP 2 either go into standby of death (cant come out of standby) or if and when it eventually decides to come out of it, the screen is frozen.
With cooked ROMS, I have to constantly flash different ROM's in hopes of finding one that is stable and runs smoothly. I have until the 5th of March to either get a replacement TP2 with 6.1 WM running on it or find a cooked ROM that features stability and smoothness.
I found the EnergyROM series to be quite stable and fast for me. Only drawback is you should get the Titanium version instead of the Sense/Manila version. Much much faster.
I have a Tilt2, and the stock 6.5 ROM was slower than molasses. Dunno if you can downgrade the Tilt2 to 6.1.
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
Slow down, notice the subtle nuances then decide
I went from my Wizard to first a Cliq then a Behold 2 before realizing that I am a WinMo girl and going with my first instinct and getting my TP2 (all within my buyers remorse time). I had a stock 6.1 and then "upgraded" to first a stock 6.5, then to cooked variations.
I went back to my stock 6.1
I removed most bloat, added a few updated programs, used Advanced Config to tweak things. My rom doesn't have the pretty Home page with the weather (which frankly is the ONLY thing I miss), but I can go roughly 36 hours with very heavy usage and up to almost 3 days with normal to light usage. It is stable and fast. I have no internet issues, no BT issues, no wifi issues. I do not use email on my phone so I don't know if there is any issue or not, but I do rely heavily on GPS and have had no problems.
I did add some cab files that made little tweaks, like the one that gives me a snooze option on my stock alarm. I did upgrade my Opera to 10 from the stock 9. I use TCPMP as my media player, and removed most of the tab options--keeping only Home, Calendar, Weather, Programs, Settings. I changed my splash screen to a custom one I made, and switched my wallpaper...but other than those minor things, it is a stock rom and I am happy with it.
There will always be a debate over 6.1 vs 6.5 versions...I prefer stability and speed to eye candy, so for me 6.1 wins. I felt 6.5 was like going to Vista. Sure it was prettier, but the "improvements" just didn't feel like an improvement to me.
The best thing to do while you are still in the buyers remorse period is to go stock, add some tweaks and feel it out. From that you can decide if you are a 6.1 person or a 6.5 person. You will also get a basic feel for the device and what it is capable of. Many cooked roms here are great, but as with anything cooked, it is a matter of taste. Perhaps you haven't found your right flavor yet. But if you keep blowing through roms, you aren't getting the full TP2 experience.
Here's an analogy--I was just in Vegas, but this was the first time I really SAW Vegas. There is an old Vegas (6.1 rom) and a new Vegas (6.5 variations). I enjoyed the buffets and shows at old Vegas, but loved the lights and sparkle of new Vegas. You won't know what works for you if you don't check it out individually and linger for a bit. Much like my stay in Vegas, if I blew through it (as you seem to be going through roms), all the subtle nuances would be missed.
THERE ARE WAYS TO TWEAK THE DEVICE. Maybe you just aren't feeling WinMo and need to move to a Droid...some people are like that (I'm not one of those people). As far as a WinMo device goes though, this one is rock solid.
akashastrega said it best
I agree with akashastrega above. Each user has his/her own needs.
I am a power business user of my phone. I use it all day every day for email, calendar, etc. I do not use it as a music player.
I am on Ark's 6.5 ROM (a couple builds ago). It is stable and I have it tweaked to my liking.
I would definitely suggest looking around at the ROMs to find one you like. Some are more sparkly than others and some are more stable than others. Once you find a ROM, decide what tweaks you want/need. And if you are having any issues, serach for solutions.
Just got my Tilt2 and so far have disabled TF3D and added some cabs. Seems to work great. Havent had problems with freezes or anything. Disabling TF3D really made a huge difference and I reallllly like this phone compared to the Fuze I used to have.
Disable TF3D.
Add PocketBreeze, PhoneAlarm and PocketWeather.
Happy camper.
Flash DeepShining Rom and enjoy. Fast, stable and AWESOME.
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
Zylograth said:
After noticing that HTC had posted the Tilt2 shipped ROM here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
http://member.america.htc.com/download/RomCode/HTC_Tilt2_ATT/HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe
I decided to check if they had done the same for the T-Mobile TP2, and of course it was not there. Checked on their forums and posted on this thread to try and request it so that it would be available to anyone who preferred the 6.1 ROM over the 6.5 upgrade.
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/34/t/215.aspx
Maybe they would be more willing to post this as well if there was enough demand for it.
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cdguider managed to extract the stock 6.1 TMO US ROM, minus the radio anyway (which is still available separately), you can find it and the info in THIS thread
ChasDun said:
Your issue is exactly why I do not switch to the cooked ROMs until they are very mature for my particular device. The unintended consequences and insurmountable little glitches drive you crazy. There are great ROMs out there, but look at each ROMs thread and you will see that they all have their issues.
I have the Tilt 2 with stock 6.5. I feel pretty certain my setup and speed can smoke any other U.S smartphone that you would trade in for. First I removed all of the bloat with CrudScraper and manual methods. Next I turned off all TouchFlo. This is the single biggest improvement to my device's performance. TF takes up big time resources and in my opinion is one of the worst interfaces available for WM. I also turn off all Today screen plugins. I use Mobile Shell which is the one big trade off...it is awesome, but it too is a huge resource hog. Install Manila NoPushInternet, get rid of Opera 9. Install SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy. Then become very adept at using the Rhodium Keyboard controller. Install something like Memmaid and schedule daily cleans of the cache files and temp folders. Install something like SKSchema that allows you to schedule soft resets overnight while you sleep. I recommend loading Pnonex 2.2 or Inesoft Phone to add incredible functionality to your phone with contacts/favorites/profiles. Stay in Edge as much as possible. Only switch to 3G when you need to surf or download. Except for the extremely long reset time, my device smokes my brother's Moto Android and my other bros iPhone. I have no issues with freezes, connecting to internet, not getting notifications and many of the other issues I hear about. These issues are almost always related to a cooked ROM or an unstable 3rd party app. Don't get me wrong, the stock ROM could have been soooo much better. But I will match my functionality and stability against any cooked ROM here. Bottom line is, to each his own.
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In short, you must walk on egg shells or winmo will crash and burn. As far as "smoking" the motodroid, that statement i believe is exaggerated. Yes it may (even then it's a maybe) run a little faster but i wouldn't use the word "smokes". Even if it does run faster, i'm willing to bet your brother hasn't had to do anything anywhere close to what you stated in the book you just wrote about what you did to your phone to make it stable. I don't care what ROM or what apps you install on your winmo phone, the core code is still crap and completely unstable and slow. You can't fix that with a cooked ROM or a 3rd party app.
To answer the original question: My suggestion is to wait for the android port to be completed and install android on your tp2. I've owned several winmo phones dating back to winmo 5 and I am now on the tilt2 with winmo 6.5 and i gotta say 6.5 is the worst of them all. The sms freezing/lagging and the sluggishness will never go away. The current android build isn't fully functional yet but you can make and receive calls, text, and get data on it so I use it about 50% of the time on my tilt2. Blows winmo out of the water as far as stability goes and the port isn't even complete. Looks to me like that's what you're looking for, stability. The only reason I don't use it exclusively is because power management isn't working properly yet so it drains the battery pretty quickly. But progess is being made as we speak.
Good luck.
This device has no bugs at all.
Use stock rom, or NRG rom, with sense 2.1, and WM build 21XXX, and u will see.
Its by far the stablest and smoothest WM device i had, even with the 528 qualcomm proccessor.
The only annoying thing on this device, is the modified bluetooth stack that sometimes causes the device to freeze on activesync via bluetooth.
To add something to this thread.
For the fun of it i tested my Tp2.
Normaly i dont lets apps stay open.
But just to let you all know i openend up
9 applications i started with round 70% free memory.
With all apps open it whent down to 35 % free memory.
Now this is nice to know.......no freeze no glitch and my tf3d slider works perfect.
After closing the apps i have 69% free memory back.
I use this phone alot for the hardware keyboard.( i have Hd2 to)
And i run official rom 2.1 sense.
Hope it helps a litlle.
Greetz.
I have the tilt 2 & I'm running JoshKoss 1.8 sence2.5 full build. It's running fast & stable no freezes or resets. I primary use this phone for e-mails, internet, & phone calls. I'm not into watching movies or listening to music on it.
I play with alot of cooked ROMs and I never really had any problems. I would say that you have to know the device and what you want. Typically after flashing, I will go deep in and turn off whatever that I don't need. So gone with all the auto-updates, gsensor, push internets etc. I even use MemMaid and disable all the startup items, services and notifications that I do not need.
My device runs alot faster and stable as a result.
actually MIGHTY ROM seems to be the bet rom around.. its stable and FAST!!
I'm using my TP2 with the Stock 6.5 & have never faced any problems whatsoever
Ok, I don't want to start a flame war or anything, but all I simply need is a ROM that does a few things for me (mind you, I'm not newb or noob to XDA, I've been here since around the release of the Tilt for AT&T, had a Tilt, and used Shifu's ROM, which was by far one of the smoothest, simplest ROMS, leading me to what I want):
*To run smooth and fast on a Tilt 2
*To use the Google Tracker thing, thereby keeping my weather and clock up to date
*To have Opera 10 (I really enjoy the start screen and speed)
*To have a version of Office that won't disappear after the beta goes away
*To have CleanRAM
*And Finally, to be simple and pretty bug-free (because with EVERY single other ROM I've tried, they've had bugs, or annoying context menus so I wind up saving loads of texts to my d*** SIM card; it'd be nice if there was a ROM that was the newest version of WinMo and Manila 2.5, without all the extra crap, like a skinned AT&T, gutted of all the bloatware, add Opera 10).
Is there anything like this? Please hook a brotha up, because if not, I might as well learn to cook and make my own ROM. I just need a simple ROM. That's it.
Oh, and inb4 someone says "look around, try different ROMs," I have. Athine, Energy, Valkyrie, and a bunch of the other "good" ROMs. Each have their strong point, but they all fail me in some place. Either too complex or too buggy. Like Energy right now has been the best, but it's extremely buggy on my Tilt 2. Google Locator isn't picking me up, phone calls get muted when I get a second call, etc...
Look around, try different ROMs!
Haha, seriously though, the perfect ROM for one may not be the perfect one for all.
Smooth and fast; Simple and bugfree - Of course, I've yet to see someone requesting for a ROM that's slow, laggy, complex, and buggy
Google Tracker thing - What's this? Is this just the location services thing? I thought this was available on all ROMs?
Opera Mobile 10 and CleanRAM can be installed independent of the ROM.
So, basically, you want WinMo 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 with non-beta version of Office Mobile.
You should know that I've not yet found a Sense 2.5 ROM that's fast enough for daily use. But I am a demanding person...
May I suggest you try Cell Pro ROM? Link in my signature. Also, give the stock UK WinMo 6.1 ROM a try.
I am a newbie to WinMo and Android devices.
I know it is possible to run Android on HTC window mobile pre-installed device, with the matter of the non-working camera.
I wanna know actually what is process/method which can makes Android possibly runs on HTC diamond, and does it mean once we have this boot system, we can boot any Android even the latest 2.2 Froyo?
All I want is to get some knowledge which can help me to step into this area, I love software engineering and find that this forum is the one which most positive users come, so hopefully I can start building sth from sketch in here.
Many thanks in advance, and thanks for the patiences and the kindness of knowledge sharing.
Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
damien2702 said:
Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
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instead i think that froyo will run well...because yesterday i saw some benchmark over the nexus one and the preformance were multiplyied by 2...and i saw the internet browsing benchmark and was the fastest browser i saw
So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
damien2702 said:
So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
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i hope it too..i love android...i'm waiting for froyo and for a flashable android...i don't like a lot wm
And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
damien2702 said:
And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
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i was trying but i was having porblem using ubuntu(no ethernet,no wireless and some other things) so when i will resolve those problem i will start
so haret in fact is a simulator?? just to provide a simulated environment to run Android?
If I'm right, Haret isn't a simulator. It is a program which, launched under WinMo, will kill all WinMo processes and boot on internal storage with Android files. Have you ever tried it?
if you want to try it the easy way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5420781#post5420781
there is an cab to download, just install it
than you can run android
bewhare, android uses a huge amount of internetactivity ( maybe it costs money with your telephon provider )
or just for testing remove the sim card...
its the easy way to run android, for multiboot
you need to install a multibootmanager on your phone
for me there are some problems with android on the diamond,
i get sometimes time outs of some programs, but its possible to use it... and test it...
maybe some thing in settings but i tryed it only for some hours ( telephonprovier... i got only 300 minutes of mobile internet connection for free )
but remember, back up your data...
I just got on old, broken Xda Orbit. It suffered from the not so uncommon CPU soldering issue ... but I managed to fix it by disassembling it and adding some cardboard. The added pressure to the CPU appears to have fixed the loose connection and it has been running stable for three days now.
With the hardware issues resolved it's time to get a well rounded ROM running on the device.
Sadly there doesn't appear to be a single one that is both up to date, stable and with reasonably free RAM in order to properly run applications with high memory usage like Opera 10 and navigation software - both of which will be the main focus of the device.
I have no real issues with any WWE ROMs, but since I currently reside in Germany I prefer a localized build.
I'd also prefer a WM 6.5 ROM for its enhanced "touch" controls, but I wouldn't mind a properly configured WM 6.1 build either.
Shady's ROMs are fast and stable with sufficient free RAM but suffer from the unforgivable and seemingly unfixable SMS bug.
MossisROM 3.0 is stable and mostly bug-free, but has some outdated components and is using way too much RAM - 16mb or less during normal usage.
Other ROMs I have tested are having WiFi or GPRS connectivity issues, others come with a lot of unwanted and outdated software etc.
I would actually be willing to go through the effort of cooking a ROM by myself, but finding a good enough documentation or a toolkit to do so is much harder than expected. I also have very limited experience with older WM devices.
I know that most of the developers here have moved on to other devices but maybe some of the remaining ones can give me some tips or tricks and set me up with a kitchen. (Iggord, maybe? You have build some interesting, albeit a bit overloaded ROMs lately)
Maybe I don't even have to cook anything - I'd also be perfectly fine with a clean ROM that I can simply customize after installation - and there is the perfect ROM for me and maybe I just haven't found it yet.
So - any help is appreciated and should I end up cooking something myself, I'll gladly give back to the remaining community.
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i always recomend Andrew82s clean rom, its the best one ive used with 30% memory usage. if you havnt tried it id put it on your todo list.
Rn
Thanks, that's the one I already ended up with. I guess WM 6.5 simply isn't a good idea on this device.
I just whish there were a kitchen for Andrew82's ROM or a way to localize it from WWE.
Rom request thread in development forum. Did you guys read the sticky?
Closed.
I an considering the Android OS for my TYTN II, but cant seem to find any info of the Android OS vs. the WM 6.5 ROMS.
I now run Josh's MEGARAM ROM...and it is ok. But I really like Android.
Is it worth it?
do all functions work?
It's been over a year since I last used it, but back then it was good enough that I used it exclusively.
I seem to remember their was a problem with the autofocus on the camera, and the occasional bug to do with the speaker phone.
Performance was fine - it felt faster than windows mobile.
I'd give it a go - you can install it onto your SD card and boot it from WM without effecting your WM install.
Instructions are on this forum somewhere.
I run Android exclusively and, up until recently, android on our phones was plagued with different problems, especialy data loss/corruption.
That has been fixed with a new kernel, RIL update (fixes radio issues) and other tweaks. The kernel fixes don't apply to haret users AFAIK, but android has progressed quite a bit on our Kaisers in one year.
I had been running Scoots CM 7.1.0 for almost a month before going back to Froyo. I couldn't be without a camera for those "suprise" events...lol.
Smooth, fast, stable, fun... thats my observations.
Is Gingerbread very slow? Donut or Froyo? I don't use my camera so much, but I want/need a (decent)snappy device.