So, I have seen a lot of people have issues with HBOOT or suspected HBOOT conflicts in here. I have the ENG HBOOT .76 and have not had any reason to suspect it as a problem with any of the ROMS that I have tried. But I am wondering... is it not possible to go back to the .76 HBOOT once you have gone up to the 2.10? And if it IS possible to go back, why isn't everyone doing it?
.76 is an older one thus easier to work with. The newer ones 2.02 and 2.10 more partitions around, so it makes it a tad harder for recovery devs. Yeah you can downgrade your hboot but possibly too many possible things can go wrong. I mean maybe earlier as the newr hboots came out, a downgrade might be smart. But pretty much everything is worked out now.
Imo .76 hboot is the best..don't upgrade the hboot unless u have too.
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So it seems as there is still some uncertainty in terms of updating to new hboot. Read some people lost root by doing so and read some were successful possibly due to having unrevoked forever installed. I updated to latest radio, wimax and nv already. Has anybody been able to downgrade the radio? I ask as it seems if downgrading is possible than unrevoked could be installed and then the hboot could be updated without losing root s-off. I appreciate any information and all your help.
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So it seems as there is still some uncertainty in terms of updating to new hboot. Read some people lost root by doing so and read some were successful possibly due to having unrevoked forever installed. I updated to latest radio, wimax and nv already. Has anybody been able to downgrade the radio? I ask as it seems if downgrading is possible than unrevoked could be installed and then the hboot could be updated without losing root s-off. I appreciate any information and all your help.
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Why would you want to upgrade the hboot?
Was reading a few threads that suggest we should. I believe calkulin posted saying that he would update the hboot if it weren't for the fact that he uses fastboot commands during his development. Page 110 of his thread.
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Why would you want to upgrade the hboot?
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From what I've seen the new hBoots are all backward compatible, and as long as you have already ran Unrevoked Forever you *should* keep S-OFF, but the new hBoot has been particularly stubborn when it comes to abiding by the S-OFF. The extended commands on the eng-hBoot may not be very useful to most people but they can be very handy if something goes wrong and you manage to fubar your phone. So as long as you retain S-OFF or a custom recovery you should be ok using the 2.02 hBoot but I would wait awhile to find out more about ver 2.10. Especially if you plan on upgrading your radio.
I have already upgraded radio, wimax and nv and I don't have unrevoked forever installed . My hboot is the original with fastboot commands.
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From what I've seen the new hBoots are all backward compatible, and as long as you have already ran Unrevoked Forever you *should* keep S-OFF, but the new hBoot has been particularly stubborn when it comes to abiding by the S-OFF. The extended commands on the eng-hBoot may not be very useful to most people but they can be very handy if something goes wrong and you manage to fubar your phone. So as long as you retain S-OFF or a custom recovery you should be ok using the 2.02 hBoot but I would wait awhile to find out more about ver 2.10. Especially if you plan on upgrading your radio.
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I have 0.79, and as long as everything else is working, I don't see why it should be necessary to upgrade. And now that I've already updated all my radio's with the latest combo pack, I'm apprehensive about doing it anyway.
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I have 0.79, and as long as everything else is working, I don't see why it should be necessary to upgrade. And now that I've already updated all my radio's with the latest combo pack, I'm apprehensive about doing it anyway.
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Same here except I think I'm at even a lower version... 0.76
What would the point be to upgrading hboot to 2.02? It's one thing I don't really understand all that well.
Anyone care to explain?
I have a Hardware Version of 0002 and s-on
I have read some people say that you can obtain root with a lower Version. I am not sure if I am low enough or what and to be honest I've searched and only found the Caulkin one with hboots and everything else, but im kinda confused. could someone enlighten me on some more info?
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I have a Hardware Version of 0002 and s-on
I have read some people say that you can obtain root with a lower Version. I am not sure if I am low enough or what and to be honest I've searched and only found the Caulkin one with hboots and everything else, but im kinda confused. could someone enlighten me on some more info?
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Your hardware version (002 in your case) doesn't matter for rooting. Its your hboot version that matters. If you have s-on and have gingerbread then you wont be able to root as the 2.16 hboot hasn't been rooted. If you have froyo and hboot 2.10 or lower, then you can root. Hope that helps.
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Your hardware version (002 in your case) doesn't matter for rooting. Its your hboot version that matters. If you have s-on and have gingerbread then you wont be able to root as the 2.16 hboot hasn't been rooted. If you have froyo and hboot 2.10 or lower, then you can root. Hope that helps.
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that is what I thought aswell, but I have seen more and more posts saying so. I am somewhat familiar with rooting, but only have ever rooted LG Optimus S's
Is there any reason why somebody WOULD NOT want the latest hboot version?
For example, the latest version (according to forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485) is 2.16.0001. Yet I still see some members on here using 2.15.0001 and 2.10.0001. Is that because they just haven't gotten around to flashing the updated version? Are there are negative effects to having the latest hboot version? On that same website, it says some of the later versions are "not downgradeable". So why would you want to downgrade?
Also, in searching through threads, I think I've kinda picked up on a problem between certain hboot versions and certain Radio versions, that some versions are not compatible with each other. Is there any problem?
Thanks for the help!
Basic summary of questions:
1. Is it good to have the latest version of hboot?
2. Are there any negative effects to having X version of HBOOT versus Y version of HBOOT?
3. Would there ever be a point to downgrading your hboot, besides taking it back to the store?
4. Does X version of HBOOT conflict with Y version of RADIO?
jasongthang said:
Is there any reason why somebody WOULD NOT want the latest hboot version?
For example, the latest version (according to forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485) is 2.16.0001. Yet I still see some members on here using 2.15.0001 and 2.10.0001. Is that because they just haven't gotten around to flashing the updated version? Are there are negative effects to having the latest hboot version? On that same website, it says some of the later versions are "not downgradeable". So why would you want to downgrade?
Also, in searching through threads, I think I've kinda picked up on a problem between certain hboot versions and certain Radio versions, that some versions are not compatible with each other. Is there any problem?
Thanks for the help!
Basic summary of questions:
1. Is it good to have the latest version of hboot?
2. Are there any negative effects to having X version of HBOOT versus Y version of HBOOT?
3. Would there ever be a point to downgrading your hboot, besides taking it back to the store?
4. Does X version of HBOOT conflict with Y version of RADIO?
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1. It is what it is, is just tells you what stock firmware you had; no hboot is better; though you could argue the .76 cuz of fastboot, though you can use fastboot regardless
2. Yes and no, just before 2.10, they can no longer be downgraded; the .76 also allows fastboot commands
3. You would only 'downgrade' really if you had to use evolutionary to go from 6.16 > 2.16 , and that is done for you in the unrooting process
4. No, the hboot won't conflict with your radio
Thanks man, appreciate it.
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Thanks man, appreciate it.
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No problem man.
2. The only negative effect of having a hboot above 2.10 is you cannot run unrevoked forever which means that any future ota cannot s-on your phone if you have flashed unrevoked forever. Also dont go getting any ideas of downgrading your hboot unless it is for unrooting like roxxorz said cuz you will most likely brick your phone
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2. The only negative effect of having a hboot above 2.10 is you cannot run unrevoked forever which means that any future ota cannot s-on your phone if you have flashed unrevoked forever. Also dont go getting any ideas of downgrading your hboot unless it is for unrooting like roxxorz said cuz you will most likely brick your phone
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so if i dont plan on using any OTA's from sprint, i can just flash 2.16.0001 hboot and just run rooted roms correct? And then if I run the stock RUU to unroot back to complete stock, would that change the hboot?
I have Hboot 0.93 from all the way back in the day when we had a 30 step root process. I'm pretty sure the answer is "no," but I'll ask anyway. Is there any good reason to update my hboot or should I just leave well enough alone?
Just leave it alone. If you have to unroot for any reason then re-root, on the newer hboots, much more of a pain.
What he said.
I'm still on the .76.2 eng hboot from right after launch and have never considered updating.
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Thanks guys. That's what i thought all this time, but suddenly wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on something.
the only concern is that the .76 hboot can cause problems with certain kernels. i believe the anthrax kernel needs an hboot newer than .93... just read info for anything you are thinking about flashing. if it recommends a certain hboot i would upgrade.
First of all, please accept my apologies if this has been in some way answered before. I did a search as far back as early 2011 but could not find a satisfactory response hence my posting here.
I have a PVT1 Desire with HBOOT 0.80.0000, 5.14.05.17 Radio and S-ON. The phone is rooted with Amon-RA recovery and currently happily running JB. All is working well and I am conscious of the fact that should I decide to update the HBOOT and Radio to the latest version, I would have to start from scratch in terms of rooting etc. but as the phone is currently working just fine, I would appreciate people's opinion if there are any real benefits in upgrading.
Many thanks in advance.
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I really don't know or understand what you're waiting for. Why not s-off? It's so simple using revolutionary.
If you have a s-off, "rooting" is just flashing superuser from recovery. Not a complicated process at all.
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I really don't know or understand what you're waiting for. Why not s-off? It's so simple using revolutionary.
If you have a s-off, "rooting" is just flashing superuser from recovery. Not a complicated process at all.
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except his hboot is 0.80
revolutionary needs 0.93.001 or 1.02.0001 to work
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Then his only option is to use unrevoked?
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Just to clarify, I have no issues with upgrading and then rooting from scratch but, as my understanding is, that would involve going back to the official GB rom (to upgrade the HBOOT) and then doing all else, I was just wondering if it worth the hassle i.e. whether upgrading HBOOT and the Radio files brings any tangible benefits.
Many thanks for your responses.
fraxos said:
Just to clarify, I have no issues with upgrading and then rooting from scratch but, as my understanding is, that would involve going back to the official GB rom (to upgrade the HBOOT) and then doing all else, I was just wondering if it worth the hassle i.e. whether upgrading HBOOT and the Radio files brings any tangible benefits.
Many thanks for your responses.
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alot of roms these days do recommend the latest radio and the advantage of s-off is that u can change hboots for more space. if u click the all things root guide in my sig i think ul get pretty much all the info u need there.
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Many thanks for all the suggestions.
I have now updated to the latest Radio but still not sure about HBOOT and S-OFF. Since I am using JB which requires stock HBOOT, there is little advantage to S-OFF for me? Also, is there a quick way to upgrade just the HBOOT without having to install the offiicial HTC GB rom?
i wouldnt recommend upgrading RADIO ! had so many issues with different roms the last year after upgrading to the latest radio. Now I am back to the latest official radio that was delivered in Europe (5.11.05.27) and having no issues since then with ICS or any other roms.
I have the impression that some issues revolve from the newer 5.17.xx.xx radios being incompatible with some roms.
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I have a PVT1 Desire with HBOOT 0.80.0000, 5.14.05.17 Radio and S-ON. The phone is rooted with Amon-RA recovery and currently happily running JB. All is working well and I am conscious of the fact that should I decide to update the HBOOT and Radio to the latest version, I would have to start from scratch in terms of rooting etc. but as the phone is currently working just fine, I would appreciate people's opinion if there are any real benefits in upgrading..
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Why just not to install latest RUU - it automatically flashes new HBOOT and Radio.
About efforts - it's just allows to use modern ROMs.
May be a little improves quality, stability and battery time.
PS I haven't any issues with 5.17.05.27 radio
Dude... He got his answer. Stop reviving dead threads.
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