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This just in.
I don't see a major problem but here's the news for you!
Sad. If I'm reading that right, C&P won't function in the phone app...for...like...copying a phone number from one area (maybe from a browser) to the new contact input fields.
Thank you, MS, for such a ...erm...experience...with WP7
Well, you are reading it wrong. The stuff is about third party applications. It doesn't say anything about native apps, so we don't know how it will function and where.
As regards third party apps, there's nothing wrong with using a control designed for text, for, er, displaying text. That's the way it should be. Not everything should be selectable, and it isn't selectable in all OSes including "big" Windows.
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Sad. If I'm reading that right, C&P won't function in the phone app...for...like...copying a phone number from one area (maybe from a browser) to the new contact input fields.
Thank you, MS, for such a ...erm...experience...with WP7
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Well, depending on how the text is set up, you should be able to just tap a phone number in any built-in app and it will bring up the create contact section.
I read from the article that in 3rd party apps you'll be able to c&p only text from text boxes. So you can't copy twitter tweet right from the timeline.
So apparently you'll be able to c&p whatever you want from text boxes,
Plus probably other displayed content from native apps.
So I think not a huge problem here.
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Well, depending on how the text is set up, you should be able to just tap a phone number in any built-in app and it will bring up the create contact section.
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Was just, for the sake of minimizing comment, using that as an example, not as limited to. I'm more concerned with being about take information from emails or text messages or other content in a browser and being able to put it elsewhere when I need to.
I hope nobody is going to try to tell me I never have need for it...sheesh.
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Was just, for the sake of minimizing comment, using that as an example, not as limited to. I'm more concerned with being about take information from emails or text messages or other content in a browser and being able to put it elsewhere when I need to.
I hope nobody is going to try to tell me I never have need for it...sheesh.
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I'm fairly sure copy & paste has been shown in places like the web browser, email, and office during the demos. Don't worry so much, this article clearly states 3rd party apps.
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I'm fairly sure copy & paste has been shown in places like the web browser, email, and office during the demos. Don't worry so much, this article clearly states 3rd party apps.
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Cool. Appreciate the update.
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I'm more concerned with being about take information from emails or text messages or other content in a browser and being able to put it elsewhere when I need to.
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Anywhere you can select text, like you can in the browser, should work. Text messages (unless they change it) you would have to go through the motions of choosing Forward from the longpress menu then select the text from the text box; a bit long-winded but doable.
If Microsoft can add the function I would imagine DEVs could also make use of it in their apps. I could be wrong.
Yeah, they're talking about how devs can modify their text fields to utilize the C&P feature when they update their apps.
Hope they actually do this...
Thanks for the post. Been waiting for this.
This, while exactly what I expected after hearing what Mr. Kindel had to say, is a downer. Now, I don't use cut'n'paste that often on phones, but when I do it's almost exclusively from non-edit controls.
I would also have expected a way to copy'n'paste images considering they see Office as such a big thing, and TBH I quite often paste product images into OneNote on the computer - which syncs perfectly to the phone. Of course you're unable to edit the photo note on the phone, but just being able to cut'n'paste them would be great still.
TBQH this looks more like a half-assed implementation done quickly to get an update out the door.
If copy-n-paste is available at API level, there is nothing to stop app developers to implement whatever they like to support the feature directly.
The limitation of text box is only a limitation when the devs are too lazy to re-complile their code.
Of course, if such feature is not available at API level, that will be a true limitation. Personally, without multi-tasking support for 3rd party apps, copy-n-paste usage will still be quite limited.
Without the tradditional stylus and resistive touch screen, try to accurately select the text you want to copy on a capacitive screen using your fingers is nothing but frustration. I tried a few times on my Android phone and never worked for me. A pen and paper is much easier to do than copy-n-paste.
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...Without the tradditional stylus and resistive touch screen, try to accurately select the text you want to copy on a capacitive screen using your fingers is nothing but frustration. I tried a few times on my Android phone and never worked for me. A pen and paper is much easier to do than copy-n-paste.
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Have you tried a WP7 device? I know we can't currently select, but the "cursor" that is implemented at the moment (useful for adding/deleting stuff in texts) is pretty good.
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Have you tried a WP7 device? I know we can't currently select, but the "cursor" that is implemented at the moment (useful for adding/deleting stuff in texts) is pretty good.
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I must say the virtual cursor on WP7 is pretty nicely implemented.
Android sucks compared to this and is a pain sometimes.
I guess you guys haven't tried 2.3 or any new samsung devices. Copy and paste, and the cursor is very finger friendly.
I have used cursor on Android 2.2. It is much better than 2.1 but still copy-n-paste largely dependent on app's implementation.
Capacity touch screens are inheritally inaccurate. Cursors make it less painful to use but can't eliminate that inaccuracy. You just got a tool to let you fine tune your selection. It still takes multiple tries to accomplish the job. And god forbid, if you want to select a paragrah out (multiple lines) of an email, that cursor won't be much help to you.
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If copy-n-paste is available at API level, there is nothing to stop app developers to implement whatever they like to support the feature directly.
The limitation of text box is only a limitation when the devs are too lazy to re-complile their code.
Of course, if such feature is not available at API level, that will be a true limitation. Personally, without multi-tasking support for 3rd party apps, copy-n-paste usage will still be quite limited.
Without the tradditional stylus and resistive touch screen, try to accurately select the text you want to copy on a capacitive screen using your fingers is nothing but frustration. I tried a few times on my Android phone and never worked for me. A pen and paper is much easier to do than copy-n-paste.
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You already could select and hold and image to save it, then go to One Note and insert it.
I remember holding the.control button on WM devices and selecting/copying multiple items. Those were the days.
One thing I really liked about my Nexus One was when I was on a web page and I zoomed text, it would autofit it (left to right) on the screen.
That way if I needed to make the text a little bigger I could in order to easily read it.
This didn't work 100%, it was more like when the text was in it's own table cell. But that's still 90% of the text out there.
With WP7, I notice this feature does not exist. Some pages are quite hard to read (even landscaped) when they fit.. and shifting left to right for each line is a bugger.
Anyone heard if this is going to be added to the browser functionality?
android is the unique os that does this. even on iOS, it performs the same as WP. if you want this feature, i'd suggest recommending it to windowsphone via twitter, or on social.microsoft.com, but i doubt you'll get much response about it apart from "we will pass it on".
Text reflow, nope haven't heard a word about it.
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What? WM6.5 did this just fine on my HD2 also.
I'm not entirely sure if it's something we want brought over though. Sure, it is a great feature for some webpages, but IMO the majority displays fine (and readable) as is. I feel text reflow may cause more problems than it's worth in terms of browser performance. WP7 may not seem to load as fast as e.g. Android but if you are looking for information buried half way down the page I often find you get to it faster on WP7 anyhow - it doesn't seem to suffer from the same rendering lag as the droids. If this is directly connected to reflow or not I don't know, but I have a feeling it may be.
you would of had it on your wm6.5 through opera? i was more referring to natively.
but yea i agree with you, most of the time reflow isn't needed.
Dear developers,
As we develop more and more apps, and as the Windows Phone marketplace hit 10,000 apps, I noticed an increasingly annoying trend: Abuse of panoramic hubs.
Yes, I understand that our latest greatest app may be our first important app, but as a user, the app is only one of my many tools in my toolbox, not the center of the universe.
And I understand that a lot of us want our app to be the hub above all other apps, however, let's face it - it's unlikely any third party hubs will be as important as Microsoft's hubs.
While the 6 major hubs in Windows Phone 7 presents some sort of extensibility, a lot of 3rd party hubs don't really do much except the function it is confined to.
A panoramic hub lets developers put different types of list controls in the same page, often for the purpose of showcasing the many depths of the app. However, some apps don't really have much depth, and the usage of panorama in this case feels like 40 pages for table of contents for a 20 page book.
If the app only displays one type of data, a pivot suits a lot better.
And panorama views usually come with a gigantic title, which takes up lots of precious screen space.
Sometimes I noticed that some developers will try to use a background in an app. However, if the app does not have a strong reason to have a background, e.g. dynamic content, I think it's a lot better to let users decide their background colors in their own theme settings. This can save us a lot of Photoshop time, and save users from a lot of text legibility problems.
Just something I'd like to share as both an app developer/designer and a user. Thanks for reading. Peace.
I agree with the fact that the panorama is overused where the pivot is in 99% of cases more appropriate.
I definitely don't agree with the background image thing. Two simple points: Brand Image and Individuality. From a developer standpoint you need something that sticks in users' brains - nothing does so more than product branding. And images are an integral part of that. Since a mobile device doesn't have room for giant logos, the best thing to do is move it to the background and let the text sit on top of it.
I agree that the developer should always offer a choice of background and ensure the text is fully legible in all - but Marketplace rules forbid text not to be legible anyway.
Second, for every application in the Marketplace there are 10 more identical in functionality. So why get the user to use your app over the other 10? Make it look better. And you can't make it look better when it's using the same colour scheme and layout.
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And panorama views usually come with a gigantic title, which takes up lots of precious screen space.
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Modifying panorama's header template u can do whatever you want with the title (even delete!). Also, most important feature of panorama control is a nice looking slightly scrolling background image (that, I believe so, MS borrowed from Android's home screen).
Panorama != Hub
There is currently no way for a third-party developer to create a hub. Just because an app has a panorama view does not make it a hub.
I do agree though, the panorama view is overused.
I'd be interested if you could give an example of an app over using it as I really enjoy it when used well.
Purely from a developers perspective, I'm slightly worried that I may fall in the category of overuse.
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I do agree though, the panorama view is overused.
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I disagree.
I think panorama apps are great. Instead of clicking and then having to go back you just swipe.
Best example for me was 1800pocketpc app which was a panorama/hub.
And then apps like facebook that are purely panorama are much easier to navigate cause you never need to reach for the back key
I love the panorama apps i have , its unique to our phones and what makes it great!
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I disagree.
I think panorama apps are great. Instead of clicking and then having to go back you just swipe.
Best example for me was 1800pocketpc app which was a panorama/hub.
And then apps like facebook that are purely panorama are much easier to navigate cause you never need to reach for the back key
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I mean that the Panorama is overused because the Pivot is a much neater way of displaying data imo. I think it separates it out nicely.(Pivot being the Outlook-style swiping to sections)
However, some apps do the panorama justice. Faebook, IMDb, etc. However 3rd party developers rarely use it right.
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Don't get me wrong - I love the Panorama view, but some [a lot] apps do misuse it.
I have seen plenty of apps which rather than having a "settings" button to open a new view will create their settings page (and about page) as part of the panorama. That is, IMO, not how you should utilize Panorama.
The same goes for apps where you may search for something to add to your "library", placing the search page on your panorama is wrong. It doesn't belong there.
A panorama should, again IMO, be used to display information that belongs together.
Example. You have a DVD collection app; The app is more than welcome to use a panorama as the main page, perhaps it can display "all", "new" and "favorites" on different pages of the panorama. That's all fine. However, adding more pages to display settings, about, search, changelogs etc just gives an awful UX. Add settings/about/changelog as a pivot on it's own page, accessible by a settings button. Add search as a button, either opening a completely new page or an popping up an overlay on the panorama.
Interesting point, and am inclined to agree Panarama views shouldn't be padded with search and settings screens. After all, doesn't the phone sport a physical search button that would be more consistent and allow you to combine your app settings within the phones' main settings for added convenience?
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A panorama should, again IMO, be used to display information that belongs together.
Example. You have a DVD collection app; The app is more than welcome to use a panorama as the main page, perhaps it can display "all", "new" and "favorites" on different pages of the panorama. That's all fine. However, adding more pages to display settings, about, search, changelogs etc just gives an awful UX. Add settings/about/changelog as a pivot on it's own page, accessible by a settings button. Add search as a button, either opening a completely new page or an popping up an overlay on the panorama.
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The above is actually incorrect. A pivot should be used when the data of all screens are based on the same underlying data source. Outlook is the perfecet example, as you have all, new, unread which is just filters or views based on the same source: your inbox. The above where you have DVDs should be a pivot as well, since all, new and favorite are based on the single source of your DVD collection.
This is actually where people are making common mistakes with the use of a Panorama control, when it should really be a pivot control. Most users really won't know the difference between the two controls, but developers should to keep the user experience consistent across applications.
The use of a Panorama for a main screen to offer different sections of you applications is a good idea. Be careful to not have too many though. Once you have more than 4-5 sections in a Panorama, the user has the ability to get lost. And remember unlike pivots, the header of each Panorama is seperate from the others (a pivot combines them giving a better hint of the other pages).
Some things to ponder would be in a multi-page settings setup should you use a pivot or a panorama? Since its really not based on data, it should be a Panorama, but a pivot might give a better user experience.
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The above is actually incorrect. A pivot should be used when the data of all screens are based on the same underlying data source. Outlook is the perfecet example, as you have all, new, unread which is just filters or views based on the same source: your inbox. The above where you have DVDs should be a pivot as well, since all, new and favorite are based on the single source of your DVD collection.
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I wouldn't say it's incorrect. A pivot may have been a better choice, but it was based on an existing app I have installed where the panorama view isn't completely wrong.
I also believe your argument falls when we step into movie details - this should clearly be displayed as a panorama even though it's based on the same data.
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Some things to ponder would be in a multi-page settings setup should you use a pivot or a panorama? Since its really not based on data, it should be a Panorama, but a pivot might give a better user experience.
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A settings page should, IMO, always be a pivot (if more than one screen is really necessary - often it is better to have a scrollable listview instead). That said, if you manage to keep your settings on a single page, using a panorama view would still work to display the about/support/etc screens.
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I wouldn't say it's incorrect. A pivot may have been a better choice, but it was based on an existing app I have installed where the panorama view isn't completely wrong.
I also believe your argument falls when we step into movie details - this should clearly be displayed as a panorama even though it's based on the same data.
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Here is a video from MS that clarifies this. Pivots should be used when displaying different views or filters or data. For the Movie details if you look at the "bad pano" example, around 11:00 it explains why you woulnd't want to do that. Just because another app is using it, doesn't mean you should.
http://channel9.msdn.com/blogs/jaime+rodriguez/windows-phone-design-days-pivot-and-pano
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Here is a video from MS that clarifies this. Pivots should be used when displaying different views or filters or data. For the Movie details if you look at the "bad pano" example, around 11:00 it explains why you woulnd't want to do that. Just because another app is using it, doesn't mean you should.
http://channel9.msdn.com/blogs/jaime+rodriguez/windows-phone-design-days-pivot-and-pano
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I pretty much agreed with you that it I presented a bad example. That said, it still works and was nowhere near as bad as many of the apps in the marketplace today.
As for movie details, let's just agree to disagree. Displaying movie details (as opposed to movie listings as discussed above) in a pivot is somewhat counter intuitive and gives a far worse UX than a panorama - I know, I've tried (and had it useability tested by the actual target audience).
as the title says, anyone who has upgraded Mango beta 2 to RTM 7720. Have you noticed anything different? Speed, features, stability etc.? lets use this thread to post our experiences (still havent done it yet, but will report once i do)
cheers
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thanks for putting up this thread, im looking for some differences as well.
I haven't upgraded yet to the leaked mango, it is tempting, but I`d rather wait for the official rom for my trophy.
from what I heard the 16bit color banding is still present, and no hidden wifi connectivity, and IE9 HTML5 performance is not yet optimized to 50fps due to the generic drivers used by the rom, instead of using the drivers specifically designed to the particular device, and this [maybe] why the 7720 is still in carrier/OEM testing.
The only so far is the maps, that were not working in brazil.
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The only so far is the maps, that were not working in brazil.
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By maps do you mean turn by turn navigation? I haven't really tried this in 7712 (btw im back to nodo 7392) all i know is that it can route locations and stuff, but not voice navigation.
Some says TBT is region dependent like Bing LS and Audio.
I dont know im not really seeing what the differnce is either they could have at least let you change alert tones you can set parameters for wifi connections other than that unless im missing it not even seeing what the update was for.
i haven't really seen anything different from beta 2
- not for retail gone.
- transitions when switching pages seems smoother
- linkedin contacts now showing on people hub live tile
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- not for retail gone.
- transitions when switching pages seems smoother
- linkedin contacts now showing on people hub live tile
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thanks for the feedback! lets keep them coming once we see something new
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IE9 now earns 141 points (7712 - 140) in HTML5 Test
By maps i mean i couldnt even find a place here. Now I can
But no turn by turn..
I found the HTC Apps in Marketplace is now working.
only found "not for resale" disapears
Exiting Bing Vision with the back button no longer freezes for a second as it did in 7712. Now there is an animation of the Bing page sliding down.
People Hub is changed. Twitter integration is now completely functional, so is LinkedIn as mentioned. Contacts show up and auto link where able to. Instead of having to go to individual posts on different services, you can now click the post and pivot to see the replies on different services. Phone is faster. Keyboard bug is fixed where it wouldn't automatically capitalize the first word of texts in messaging hub. Lock screen delay is gone on my HD7. Battery calibration seems a little more accurate, at least for me. Before, if you hit the search button in the Phone to search contacts, but backed out, the bottom buttons wouldn't reappear, this is fixed. Bluetooth is more consistent for me, it doesn't drop, it did on the previous build, often. Tiles no longer "bleed" and flicked through lockscreen for me. I know I found more fixes and features, but this is all I remember off the top right now.
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People Hub is changed. Twitter integration is now completely functional, so is LinkedIn as mentioned. Contacts show up and auto link where able to. Instead of having to go to individual posts on different services, you can now click the post and pivot to see the replies on different services. Phone is faster. Keyboard bug is fixed where it wouldn't automatically capitalize the first word of texts in messaging hub. Lock screen delay is gone on my HD7. Battery calibration seems a little more accurate, at least for me. Before, if you hit the search button in the Phone to search contacts, but backed out, the bottom buttons wouldn't reappear, this is fixed. Bluetooth is more consistent for me, it doesn't drop, it did on the previous build, often. Tiles no longer "bleed" and flicked through lockscreen for me. I know I found more fixes and features, but this is all I remember off the top right now.
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also switching orientation has a different effect especially the people tab
i updated to 7720 yesterday and i think the lock screen is a bit different, the time and data shows up like an smooth animation (fade in) effect. i dont know if this was in 7712???
The time and date fade out has been in place since NoDo
I've just noticed it being a little smoother and boot up showing "not for Resale" is gone. It broke my sideloading tho, so I guess that's something
better battery life and increase in overall performace
Did anyone with mango update can confirm if Arabic is now read correctly on IE9? RTL issue
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Dislike:
1. People Hub
1. Pinning recent contacts
In the nodo build, it used to show individual contacts being animated then goes to homescreen but now only the whole screen is being animated then goes to homescreen.
2. Going back to start screen from People Hub
In the nodo build, it used to show individual texts or contents being animated from the bottom to top as it goes to homescreen. Not the case in the new updated version.
2. IE browser
1. More finger tappings
Can't directly access add favorites, favorites, and tabs in the new update. Sometimes i hit other functions and it frustrates me. I wish they could somehow still let us to have address bar and shortcuts to favs and tabs on the bottom by... maybe swipping the address bar sideways to access to the tabs and favs shortcut?
2. Going to the fullscreen
In nodo build, you could go to fullscreen in landscape mode with no address bar. In the new update, the address bar is now on the bottom, wish there was an option to hide it automatically
3. Animation when going to landscape mode
Not as slick as nodo build
4. Pinch and Zooming
It is nanoseconds unresponsive when compared the Nodo build
3. Zune
1. Accidental taps
Sometimes i accidently tap play smart dj mix when i was going for add to now playing
4. Xbox Live
1. Although this is con and pros at the same time, when i scroll through, it lags when my avatar shows up. Could this be the sign of having an outdated cpu/gpu snapdragon 1st gen or Microsoft were too lazy to optimize the hub?
Like:
1: Camera
No more laggyness when going from camera mode to the picture i just took!
2. People/Picture hub
1. More individual layers are being animated when opening these hubs! It looks sick!
2. Picture hub from the start screen now shows your pictures and they are alive! Though it just shows static picture from the start screen if you manually set the picture as a background in the Picture hub =[
3. Live Tiles
1. Live tiles for contacts and me hub flip instantly when there there are new updates! No more waitings for them to flip!
2. Lives tiles no longer disappear when i try to unpin my fav apps in start screen. This is great if you want to unpin multiples apps!
So what do i think of the new update? I love it! I still don't get why the animation lags when i go into the landscape mode in Bing? If Microsoft could fix those laggs from Bing and Xbox Live, and let us have the address bar and favs & tabs shortcuts on the bottom in the browser, i would be happier!
Feel free to leave comments if i am misinformed or whatever!
I'm actually ok with the Mango update. I never experienced Nodo, I had a HD7 when WP7 first came out, and I just picked up one off of CL for $80usd. It was a virgin HD7, no updates or anything. So I see why the guy hated it.
One thing I just hate, damn near everything is locked into Portrait mode!
On the HD7, with its LED, why must I constantly check the phone to see if I have a notification.
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I'm actually ok with the Mango update. I never experienced Nodo, I had a HD7 when WP7 first came out, and I just picked up one off of CL for $80usd. It was a virgin HD7, no updates or anything. So I see why the guy hated it.
One thing I just hate, damn near everything is locked into Portrait mode!
On the HD7, with its LED, why must I constantly check the phone to see if I have a notification.
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Where would you want to go into landscape mode? From what i know, only Me hub and camera app has been updated to support landscape. I think the Settings might have been updated for landscape but haven't used nodo forever so i forget!
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I'm actually ok with the Mango update. I never experienced Nodo, I had a HD7 when WP7 first came out, and I just picked up one off of CL for $80usd. It was a virgin HD7, no updates or anything. So I see why the guy hated it.
One thing I just hate, damn near everything is locked into Portrait mode!
On the HD7, with its LED, why must I constantly check the phone to see if I have a notification.
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This is the one thing that bothers me about the OS, and I think you'll agree I'm a dedicated supporter in Microsoft, Metro, Windows Phone, and W8... But I think they need to include an LED notification system. Does every phone have an LED? Because I'm starting to wonder if the OEMs are the ones responsible for including this and just haven't.
WP needs to have a one button tap to reach the keypad phone dialer instead of two taps. When you hit the phone tile it should bring up the dialer instead of the recent call history
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Where would you want to go into landscape mode? From what i know, only Me hub and camera app has been updated to support landscape. I think the Settings might have been updated for landscape but haven't used nodo forever so i forget!
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I would like landscape mode in apps. None of the apps i have go into landscape mode.
Oh, the Avatar lag, its updating when you first swipe over, that's why it lags.
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WP needs to have a one button tap to reach the keypad phone dialer instead of two taps. When you hit the phone tile it should bring up the dialer instead of the recent call history
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I would absolutely HATE that.
I almost never physically punch in a number to call someone. Making the phone tile point at the dial-pad would mean that, almost every time I open that tile, I would have to use an additional tap to get out of the dial-pad and go somewhere that's actually useful.
Maybe have the option to pin the dialer to the homescreen, but don't make it the default behavior.
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I would absolutely HATE that.
I almost never physically punch in a number to call someone. Making the phone tile point at the dial-pad would mean that, almost every time I open that tile, I would have to use an additional tap to get out of the dial-pad and go somewhere that's actually useful.
Maybe have the option to pin the dialer to the homescreen, but don't make it the default behavior.
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The call history is useless unless the person there actually took or received a call from you. The only other tab is... Voicemail.
People requires another tap. Dialer requires another tap. These are smartphones. It shouldn't be a ***** to get to the dialer. The dialer should be the default view. I'm surprised people think its cool to hide the dialer on a smartphone, and not give an option to set the default view. Going straight to history is retarded.
This is the first phone I've owned that actually made it harder to place calls.
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The call history is useless unless the person there actually took or received a call from you. The only other tab is... Voicemail.
People requires another tap. Dialer requires another tap. These are smartphones. It shouldn't be a ***** to get to the dialer. The dialer should be the default view. I'm surprised people think its cool to hide the dialer on a smartphone, and not give an option to set the default view. Going straight to history is retarded.
This is the first phone I've owned that actually made it harder to place calls.
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that one extra keypress is really going to wear away at the tip of your finger.
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that one extra keypress is really going to wear away at the tip of your finger.
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And giving people the option to have the keypad come up by default would just totally destroy the "beauty" of Metro for you, wouldn't it?
RoboDad said:
And giving people the option to have the keypad come up by default would just totally destroy the "beauty" of Metro for you, wouldn't it?
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Yes.
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RoboDad said:
And giving people the option to have the keypad come up by default would just totally destroy the "beauty" of Metro for you, wouldn't it?
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want some cheese with your whine?
scoobysnacks said:
want some cheese with your whine?
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Hyperbole begets hyperbole. If you want to dish it out, you'd better be prepared to take it in return.
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FiyaFleye said:
Yes.
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Pathetic.
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scoobysnacks said:
that one extra keypress is really going to wear away at the tip of your finger.
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But you have to remeber the main purpose of the device
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Along with one touch to dialer keypad, I would like a better browser, multi select text messages, Video calling intergrated into OS instead of a Third party app, new hardware to the table such as solar power to help charge the battery on the go, LED notification a standard on all devices, ability to turn on/off new text message prompt onscreen, ability to access a mini menu to toggle airplane mode, vibrate, wifi when u touch them at the top of your screen. file explorer at least for the memory card, would be nice for the device also, Would like to see lanscape capabilities for the homescreen and throughout the OS. Innovative exclusive apps for WP7.
WP7 needs to bring something very unique to the table, something that sets it apart from its competition. I like how Apple used Siri to drive the sales of its phones, people saw that and went crazy. WP needs to take t aht same approach to drive sales.
937dytboi said:
But you have to remeber the main purpose of the device
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Along with one touch to dialer keypad, I would like a better browser, multi select text messages, Video calling intergrated into OS instead of a Third party app, new hardware to the table such as solar power to help charge the battery on the go, LED notification a standard on all devices, ability to turn on/off new text message prompt onscreen, ability to access a mini menu to toggle airplane mode, vibrate, wifi when u touch them at the top of your screen. file explorer at least for the memory card, would be nice for the device also, Would like to see lanscape capabilities for the homescreen and throughout the OS. Innovative exclusive apps for WP7.
WP7 needs to bring something very unique to the table, something that sets it apart from its competition. I like how Apple used Siri to drive the sales of its phones, people saw that and went crazy. WP needs to take t aht same approach to drive sales.
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did you try surfcube 3d browser?
it's actually quite good.
As far as the whole "main purpose of the device" thing, the main purpose is not to cater to how you individually think the Os should work...
Many people probably like how it is set up
i tried using surfcube when it first came out, didnt really like it. I just need something simple.
I really enjoyed when my coworker that was debating against iOS and WP7 stated that WP will surpass both iOS and Android in the near future in front of all of these iphone users. I wasnt expecting him to say that, but his opinion was unbiased and legit. He actually took the time to play with both of the devices and seeing how they work. I don blame him for liking Siri so much that it swayed him to buy the 4S, that was Apples whole intent and thats what WP has to do. He also mentioned the marketplace not having tons of apps, I couldnt contest him there. Then another Coworker chimed in and said you wont use half that **** so what does it matter. Valid Point.
But
I like the way Windows is headed, they want WP to succeed along with its valued customers, its up to us to help them and watch the OS succeed. Im not going anywhere, because I like WP and it suits me best. I cant tell you the last time I had to do a battery pull or reset the phone. thats priceless. Just a few things Windows need to work on to get things just right. Then innovate after that is the key.
To the OP some of those animations u were seeing were because things were still loading. The reason those animations are gone is because everything loads faster. I also actually like being able to access my tabs in landscape without having to turn the screen back over. To vetvito the apps do support landscape if the developer adds it. Most of my apps have this.
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FiyaFleye said:
This is the one thing that bothers me about the OS, and I think you'll agree I'm a dedicated supporter in Microsoft, Metro, Windows Phone, and W8... But I think they need to include an LED notification system. Does every phone have an LED? Because I'm starting to wonder if the OEMs are the ones responsible for including this and just haven't.
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Wow, ok you know what, if you don't like it, there's the door.
Android has multiple mutilple fragmented devices for you to try out. Anything, just so long as you stop whining and accept the fact that this is a new OS. There's going to be growth before it gets to the point of the other two platforms. It's people like you who make these boards unbearable. This used to be a place where likeminded individuals could discuss an OS they love. You and your negativity is all but ruining it.
/there, think I covered everything
//seriously, this is the response people get for discussing shortcomings
/from people like you
Wow, you mad bro?
Actually, having no LED notification is quite fine with me. Imagine having an ugly orange blinking LED destroying the sexy and refined lines of my DVP!! Although, one of the things I loved about my HTC Fuze (Touch Pro) was the notification LED hidden behind the capacitive button that glowed... that was sexy. WP7 is missing a notification bar somewhere accessible from the start and lock screens so I know what I missed. Toast notifications are cool and all, but I don't always catch them on time.
While 9/10 calls are made to people in my contact list, I do miss the smart dialer we had in WM6.5. At least make the bottom half of the screen the dialer and the top half the history. If you dial a number, the history disappears and if you tap the history, the dialer disappears. I also wish we could individually pin numbers or sms from a person's contact instead of the entire contact. I call people way more than I text them so I don't need their entire contact information displayed when I pin a contact to the start screen.
Oh well, let's hope Microsoft hears our cries!!