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[Q] Fresh vs. CM6 vs. Two Point Two

Hey guys, I am not a noob to flashing roms or anything but I have been on the new Fresh for awhile and I really want to try out a new rom. I have been eyeing CM6 and Myn's Two Point Two. I was just looking for some input of those that are currently running these roms as to why I should switch from fresh?
Thanks

Fresh is a great ROM. There's no real need to switch unless you just want to try something new (which seems to be the case here). CM6 is a fantastic ROM and it's even better when you run it with a >>Snap kernel in Turbo mode. CM6 offers a very slim and stock Android feel. The only bad thing is no 4G (unless you don't care about that). Other things to note about CM6 is that HDMI is not available either. I don't know if they got the FM radio working yet either but, really, who the hell uses FM radio on their EVO? I mean I could see the uses but still.....
Anyway, myn's Warm ROM is *really* nice if you like Sense ROMs. The screen transition animations are kinda trippy at first but you get used to them. I also like how dark the theme is. We're talking pitch black notification bar, black/gray notifications - pair that with a black wallpaper and your phone is super-dark. The font that comes with it is real nice to me but I can see why others wouldn't like it. Thankfully, myn includes the stock fonts in the OP on his thread. I like Warm. It's different (to me anyway). Worth giving a shot.
I'm a flashoholic though. I'll probably switch to something new or old within a matter of hours That's just how it goes. You'll be happy with either Warm or CM6 but if you like Sense-based ROMs give Warm a shot. I think you'll be enlightened.

beatblaster said:
Fresh is a great ROM. There's no real need to switch unless you just want to try something new (which seems to be the case here). CM6 is a fantastic ROM and it's even better when you run it with a >>Snap kernel in Turbo mode. CM6 offers a very slim and stock Android feel. The only bad thing is no 4G (unless you don't care about that). Other things to note about CM6 is that HDMI is not available either. I don't know if they got the FM radio working yet either but, really, who the hell uses FM radio on their EVO? I mean I could see the uses but still.....
Anyway, myn's Warm ROM is *really* nice if you like Sense ROMs. The screen transition animations are kinda trippy at first but you get used to them. I also like how dark the theme is. We're talking pitch black notification bar, black/gray notifications - pair that with a black wallpaper and your phone is super-dark. The font that comes with it is real nice to me but I can see why others wouldn't like it. Thankfully, myn includes the stock fonts in the OP on his thread. I like Warm. It's different (to me anyway). Worth giving a shot.
I'm a flashoholic though. I'll probably switch to something new or old within a matter of hours That's just how it goes. You'll be happy with either Warm or CM6 but if you like Sense-based ROMs give Warm a shot. I think you'll be enlightened.
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Wow, thanks man I wasn't expecting an in-depth explanation like you gave. I really appreciate it, and yeah I am pretty addicted to Sense unfortunately, everyone always bags on it though and says how its bogs down your phone etc. Thats why I was considering trying CM6. Does the Music Widget work for you on Warm? I had read that it wasn't working for some people and that was why I was apprehensive about switching. Also, what kernel would you advise to use with it. I have always been a netarchy guy never really tried out Kings too much.

The Music widget works for me. I've never had a problem with it. As for kernels, I'm with you man - Netarchy FTW! King's kernels are hit or miss for me. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I don't mean to sound like a **** but I don't have time for hit or miss So, netarchy 4.1.9.1 CFS is working just fine for me at the moment.
As for Sense, I like Sense too although sometimes I miss LauncherPro. Then I move to LauncherPro and then I miss Sense. Go figure. I'm never happy with these things for long. Just keep an eye out for my sig as you wander through the forums. It changes, like, every other freakin day.

haha will do man I appreciate all of your help, in that case im gonna head on my way to the Warm. Just curious though I tried to use the CFS on the Fresh Rom and I was getting boot loops like crazy. What is the difference in BFS and CFS that is the only thing I have never been able to understand with kernels.?

I am using myn's right now and is extremely quick for a sense rom. Battery life is great as well. I can go 16 hours on a charge with 4g always on. Best sense rom I have used to date. I am also a flash-a-holic, LOL.
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squiggie said:
I am using myn's right now and is extremely quick for a sense rom. Battery life is great as well. I can go 16 hours on a charge with 4g always on. Best sense rom I have used to date. I am also a flash-a-holic, LOL.
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What kernel are you running? I am getting ready to flash I just would like to have everything good to go with flash number 1 haha

Yellowcard8992 said:
haha will do man I appreciate all of your help, in that case im gonna head on my way to the Warm. Just curious though I tried to use the CFS on the Fresh Rom and I was getting boot loops like crazy. What is the difference in BFS and CFS that is the only thing I have never been able to understand with kernels.?
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CFS vs BFS..... they have to do with different CPU schedulers if I understand it correctly. Theoretically, you're supposed to get slightly better performance with BFS but it's been a little buggy on my phone (launch day, 002 hardware) and what's performance without stability? CFS works just as fine but, honestly, you're going to have to search for this answer on your own. King's kernel threads are where I found a really good explanation of the differences between the two and I remember it's how I decided CFS was probably best for me just for the life of me I can't remember what was said now that I think about it. Not all EVO's are created equal. For some, CFS rocks and for others it sucks. Same goes for BFS. Just try both and see how it goes. I'd start with CFS if I were you.
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer! That's not usually my style

Well I appreciate all your help man, its not every member that is willing to give an in-depth response. Very rarely do you see that. So thanks a million for that man.

No problem. Just doing my part to pay it forward.

i just flashed a few roms tonight i have been using fresh but wanted to try a new one ive tried calks 2 virus roms and now warm i personally like it like a previous post its real snappy and my set cpu isnt even installed on my phone kings bfs 9 seems to work the best for me ive tried other roms with other kernels mixed and matched but im stuck on kings

What do you like better about Warm over Fresh?
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You just happened to mention the only three roms that I have ran for long lengths of time.
CyanogenMod:
I ran CM6 the longest and it is a very lean and snappy rom - it also got me hooked on LauncherPro. I really loved the customization ability of CM6 and it was a pleasant change from SenseUI. Also one of the biggest factors was it was the first Rom that I used with FPS unlocked. This is the only rom I used SetCPU with and everything ran stable and quick.
Having said that...
I found myself missing some sense widgets (LauncherPro paid version really addresses this but there is a smoothness in the sense widgets that it is missing). Also there is the issue with 4G and some quirkiness I experienced with CM6.
Fresh 3.2 and 3.3:
I flashed Fresh 3.2 and fell back in love with Sense. The new HTC kernel 11 came out and the FPS cap was gone (Fresh 3.3 I think). There was much I had missed from Sense - it is refined and just feels complete with everything (4G, camera, etc...) working properly. I can't hit the quadrant scores that I could on CM6 but I realized that I no longer cared about that. The rom was smooth and snappy. It did everything that I wanted it to.
Myn's Warm Two.Two:
I am currently on Myn's Warm 2.2 with HTC #11 and I'm loving it. For me, it's just about the looks of this thing. It's sleek and snappy with sort of a minimalist look. It retains the functionality of sense with a completely custom look and feel. The black themed keyboard fits so well with it - I really think HTC would have been better off with this design.
Conclusion:
Your real decision is do you prefer AOSP or Sense. I personally find myself enjoying the functionality of Sense more - however, I can totally see where others love AOSP. I love them both - but prefer the refinement of Sense and it is plenty smooth and snappy for me.
AOSP - CyanogenMod
Sense (stock look) - Fresh
Sense (custom look) - Myn's Warm
My Perfect Rom - SenseUI (including widgets) with LauncherPro launcher. Unfortunately for me, this doesn't exist yet
Note:
I know battery life is a hot topic and influences the rom and kernel that people select. I often wonder if it is hardware or application related because I have seen 24+ hour battery life from each of these roms/kernels. Some may have been a little better but the difference was negligible.
I don't really consider myself a heavy user - but not a light one either. Maybe I have just been lucky so far. I generally put my phone on charge every night (I've missed a night here or there) and I have NEVER gotten below 15% battery life - even camping for two days in airplane mode)

Which 2.1 ROM with sense is best?

I have been using 2.2 for a while, and I want to back to a rooted Sense version of 2.1. Any ideas which is best and where to find it? (I tried the development section's list of roms, but could not sort out which are 2.1, which have Sense, etc. Thanks!

Look for Damage Control 3.2.3. Very fast and stable 2.1 rom.
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out of curiosity, what is it about 2.1 that you prefer?

deathsled said:
out of curiosity, what is it about 2.1 that you prefer?
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Seconded. I can't think of any advantage.

Thanks, I will try the Damage one.
I was getting 3x the battery life with 2.1 running the exact same apps I do now. Strange but true.
Anyway I see little real world advantage to 2.2. I know 2.2 is supposed to be faster, better video, yada yada yada, but it feels about the same to me. I am not talking about benchmark test scores, I am talking actual use ;-)

ronnienyc said:
Thanks, I will try the Damage one.
I was getting 3x the battery life with 2.1 running the exact same apps I do now. Strange but true.
Anyway I see little real world advantage to 2.2. I know 2.2 is supposed to be faster, better video, yada yada yada, but it feels about the same to me. I am not talking about benchmark test scores, I am talking actual use ;-)
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ummm WHAT lol good luck with 2.1 its going to get hard locating rom's i think flipz is still supporting 2.1
but i have to say im getting better batt life with 2.2 than i did with 2.1 ( not much but better )

have you tried the newer baked snack 2.2 roms? i get very similar battery life as i did back on 2.1. i know the developer kinda left xda but you can still download the latest public release.

hockey4life0099 said:
have you tried the newer baked snack 2.2 roms? i get very similar battery life as i did back on 2.1. i know the developer kinda left xda but you can still download the latest public release.
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I have to agree bakedsnacks 2.2 are great. Battery life's crazy
From the Fade

Virus Rom gives me great battery life, I know I couldn't go back the update all button for the market makes me smile every time I hit it
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what all have you tried on battery life? have you run thrugh all the battery threads are you using set cpu etc? have you tried a diffrent rom? if you are getting 3x less battery life something is very wrong.

I have actually gone back to my Hero! I much prefer the small size, and I like the trackball vs. the directional keys. Also battery life is way better, and.my Hero does not lag at all. Now, what to do with my Evo...

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i second this.

Permaban requested for ronnie...

That was actually short lived, as the Hero developed an issue with the charging port, so Evo it is.
The only thing I liked more about 2.1 is the battery life (much longer in my experience.) Otherwise on a day-to-day basis, there is not much difference for me. I do not tinker with it endlessly and do bench mark tests, etc. I use phone, email, a lot of web, a handful of apps, etc. and for these purposes 2.2 and 2.1 are very similar IMO.
I am trying Baked Snack and DC 3.2.3 on the Evo today...thanks all.

[Q] Best Dinc ROM for (stable and battery life)

Hey guys, just wondering what the most stable (fewest bugs) ROM available right now is. I am also wanting to extentd my battery life. I have a rooted stock 2.2 SLCD Dinc. I know that some things work differently on the SLCD versions than on the AMOLED versions.
I have recently come from an eris and had a great support group on the eris xda section. Since the eris has been around a lot longer than the Dinc it was easy to tell what ROM's were widley used due the activity on that thread. It is not as easy in the Dinc threads because they are so even in numbers.
Thanks for any advice!

You will get a better response in the Q&A forum.

prob skyraider
i love the true vanilla roms like ruby and CM but im not sure if you would consider them 100% stable and i know theres been problems with the SLCD screens

as far as stability.. the Virtuous rom is basically the stock rom with a few user friendly options to tweak things.

I have had the best experience with skyraider's roms, I like the CM6.1 RC's but always get better battery life with skyraider.

JaydenR said:
You will get a better response in the Q&A forum.
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Sorry about that, how do I move this to that forum?

By posting it in the q&a section
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Try IncRom. Battery life is outstanding

Myn's Warm RLS 3 is the best I've ever used. It is pristine. 2 days of battery life, no FC's, awesome speed.

Thank you for all of the suggestions. I am reading about all of them and realy wrestling with which one to try...

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Myn's Warm RLS 3 is the best I've ever used. It is pristine. 2 days of battery life, no FC's, awesome speed.
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what kernel are you using? im on ziggys but theres no way i could ever get 2 days out of my battery with low to moderate use

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what kernel are you using? im on ziggys but theres no way i could ever get 2 days out of my battery with low to moderate use
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2.32.17 stock kernel. Seems to be really nice.
Special note though, the use of games will drain that sucker like a vampire victim.

Fretless said:
2.32.17 stock kernel. Seems to be really nice.
Special note though, the use of games will drain that sucker like a vampire victim.
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Yeah I agree with you on that. I'm using Virtuous 3.1 which comes with the new htc kernel and it's blown my mind on battery life and charging times.

The cool thing about roms is the ability to backup and install brand new ones with no risk of really messing anything up. Try them all and find out which you like best. I try a new rom everyday practically... I'm on Myn's right now but I'm probably about to go back to rEVOlution... or Incdoes' Desire Z.... The choices...

truegrass said:
Thank you for all of the suggestions. I am reading about all of them and realy wrestling with which one to try...
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Don't sweat over which one to go with, try them all and then decide for yourself. Once you try one or two you will become hooked and you'll be changing rom's on a daily basis and your girlfriend will be yelling at you because you're always messing with your phone....
...everyone has that problem, right?

localceleb said:
Don't sweat over which one to go with, try them all and then decide for yourself. Once you try one or two you will become hooked and you'll be changing rom's on a daily basis and your girlfriend will be yelling at you because you're always messing with your phone....
...everyone has that problem, right?
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+1 I CONSTANTLY get yelled at. ;-)

localceleb said:
Don't sweat over which one to go with, try them all and then decide for yourself. Once you try one or two you will become hooked and you'll be changing rom's on a daily basis and your girlfriend will be yelling at you because you're always messing with your phone....
...everyone has that problem, right?
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HAHA, yes! I thought I was really the only one. I was like, baby, you're being stupid, no one else cares.... guess I was wrong. It used to be changing phones all the time, but once I got an incredible, I haven't had the desire to change hardware, just software...
Glad I'm not the only one, kinda makes me feel more like a man now.

gfs and rom flashing
man, same here....i think at 11pm no one is going to call me and i can finally flash the rom i've been waiting all day to flash, but boom! gf calls and im like damn. lol. then i spend another hour trying to make it look like how it was before i flashed, ex: download the apps (i still have learned how to use titanium backup to restore the apps), put icons in their places, login all the apps, setup emails, etc....and by the end of the week, new version of a different rom is out and i wanna flash that now.

My wife WANTS an incredible, but she HATES my phone. Shes always saying "Why cant you just PICK ONE and GO WITH IT. Im SO TIRED of your LOVE AFFAIR with your PHONE!"
Shes grown to tolerate it over the year. Kinda.
But back on topic, the ones i tried and liked so far have been
Sense: Uncommon Sense, Myn's Warm, and anything with hey its lou
AOSP: Cyanogen is great on battery, Ruby is nice and smooth, and I've liked the stuff from IncDoes.

To be honest, I don't think that the ROM affects your battery life that greatly. The kernel and what applications your running has a much greater effect. For example, I found that I got the best battery life with either an AOSP ROM, or a Sense ROM with Rosie removed (keeping all the other parts of Sense intact, just replacing Rosie with ADW.Launcher or LauncherPro). Also, LiveWallpapers destroyed my battery.
That said, stability is definitely affected by your ROM. SkyRaider seemed okay, but I had my phone wipe itself one morning, which someone else confirmed as being an issue. My personal best experience has been with Redemptive rEVOlution. Great theme, not much bloat, and nearly bugfree.

Lag Fix? Where & How?

Anybody know where our how I can do a lag fix on my Evo ?
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Anybody know where our how I can do a lag fix on my Evo ?
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I don't have any lag on my Evo at all, unless my phone doesn't like a particular kernel. When everything is dialed in, it runs smooth and quick, on sense or AOSP. I would tend to think that there is a reason you're getting lag. Can you be more specific? Does everything lag, or is it just certain apps? Have you tried wiping everything and reflashing whatever ROM you're using? Or at least just wiping cache and dalvik cache then trying out a different kernel?

Awhile ago I used to have a samsung galaxy s that I did a lag fix on and it really made fast faster. My phone its pretty fast I was just kinda wondering? I am using Koni Elite 2 and pretty impressed, but MikFroyo is my favorite rom so far. I'm pretty new to this..
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Awhile ago I used to have a samsung galaxy s that I did a lag fix on and it really made fast faster. My phone its pretty fast I was just kinda wondering? I am using Koni Elite 2 and pretty impressed, but MikFroyo is my favorite rom so far. I'm pretty new to this..
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Gotchya. I was just looking around a Samsung Fascinate forum the other day, prepping to root my buddies phone. I saw all sorts of strange talk of lag fix, voodoo kernels, Odin's, clockwork red, clockwork blue, clockwork green, D109's and DJ05's, haha. All sorts of stuff that I'm not used to seeing over here on the Evo forum. I felt like a total noob reading through it all at first. Anyways, there's no specific 'lag fix' that I'm aware of for the Evo. Like I said, differnt kernels can drastically affect the way the phone runs. another thing that can sometimes potentially make the phone laggy is the 1.90 pri. Some phones don't like that pri (mine included) and the 1.77 pri works much better. Others report the oppositte. But, basically, you're phone shouldn't really have any lag when everything is working properly, at least in my experience. So if you are getting any drastic lag, I'd try making some changes.

It's not my phone it's me..I'm running out of things to do, and always trying to make fast faster! I just want the page opened and ready before I even hit the button...
Lol...
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If you really wasn't to see your phone fly, install CM 6.1.2 along with the 7.6 Snap Turbo kernel. There is a whole thread here to help you out. I get quadrant scores near 2600 with that setup. Only downside, no 4g.
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I remember absolutely needing a lag fix on my vibrant, I hated it. I fell the evo is pretty damn fast. That and the gps problem is why I ditched samsung for htc. The samoled screen wasnt nice enough when functionality was ****. Im using azrael 4.0 rom with launcher pro and my evo is pretty zippy

what rom is best for me?

okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.

For a fast, gingerbread sense 2.1 ROM I would try either newts optimized shift or Wild Stangs pure speed.

Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.

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Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.

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okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
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To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
From personal experience if you're going gingerbread I say CM7 or OMFGB. Also MIUI is another popular choice (if you're into it- very different from any other ROM).
ADW launcher comes with CM7, and at first that was the whole reason I stopped using CM7, then I figured out you can change the launcher.. haha
Launcher Pro+ was a much better choice for me, so if you go that route and you don't like ADW- you know where to turn
Kernel's are another very major part of how well your phone performs and also your battery life. Chad's incredikernel are by far the top choice for both Sense and AOSP kernel's.
As always, if you have bad luck with one ROM or kernel, get suggestions and try another. There IS a perfect combination waiting for you

From experience, I would have to agree with loonatik78 about Sense 3.0's effects on phone performance. With that said, I absolutely love Sense and stayed on Sense 2.1/3.0 roms until 3.0 roms received proper treatment and I subsequently switched over to Pure 3.0 roms several weeks ago. I agree with loonatik78 in the sense that you should avoid a pure 3.0 rom IF you want generally less lag but as development continues they get better everyday.
I would suggest Synergy rom from Incubus26jc, Optimized Shift from Newtoroot, AND Nils Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0 +3d. I respect these dev's work and recommend them with ease. As far as the camera, I don't take pics often so I can't provide much insight there. I know Nils' rom is in the process of including hdr and panorama as a setting in the camera app courtesy of Newtoroot (who included it in his Hybrid Sense 3.0 rom I believe). Hopefully you peak in and see what each Sense 2.1/3.0 rom available has to offer and find your daily.

Wdforty's Inc2 Remix hands down. Its a Sense 2.1 ROM with the nice 3.0 bits added in and the battery life is pretty good. It's pretty stable as well.
For the full Sense 3.0 experience I would give Nils Gingersense 3.0 a try. He does great work as well and his ROM is quite snappy for 3.0.
To be honest, flashing on the Incredible is so easy you can try them all out for yourself to see which ROM satisfies YOUR needs. As long as you stick with ROMS towards the top of the Developement forum (shows many people are using them) you will be fine. Read the threads for serious bugs that are reported that may sway you from using a rom.
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k, i am close, i's just trhat i talked to a freind who put cm7 or a rom on his droid 1, and he said he had to reset it.
i guess i am just afraid of bricking the phone, booted cm7 the last time throuh rom manager, and it kept botting in bootloop, well, i got the rom back, but, i don't want to go through that again.

POQbum said:
To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
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okay, the thing is, is there really that much of a noticable difference bewteen 2.2 and 2.3? i already tested out flash and it works flawlessly o this default dinc (after i cleared the bloatware out, THANKS TITANIUM BACKUP!) i'm not going to use blockbuster, or netflix (as much as people like that, i don't watch movies on a 3 1/2 scren.

okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.

Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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I like Nils Business Gingersense 3d-2.3 for a Sense rom. It is stable, quick and battery life is good. I use Conaps DualRom x2 so I'm able to load CM7, OMFGB, Evervolv and Miui (all Aosp roms) also. They are all very stable, quick and very good battery life using Chad's incredikernel on all except OMFGB on which I use invisiblek kernel.
I think in the end, it is mostly a matter of personal preference.

Kiboe said:
why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
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Holy Sh#t! Are you for real??? All I was doing was giving you an honest impression of my personal experience with a gingerbread Sense ROM built by one of the most experienced devs on the dInc. I used a LOT of ROM's on that phone. The absolute fastest Sense experience you will find is Incredibly Re-Engineered 2.3.2 using Ziggy's BFS 4/10 overclocked to 1.153GHz, smartass gov. setCPU to sleep at 245. The better way to do it would be to use the sysfs interface with a script to undervolt it more, set the smartass to be more conservative, and overclock it. If the smartass is tweaked correctly, the thing will do most of it's work around 768MHz or less, but will still have the overhead to ramp up to 1.153GHz if the load demands. I've been looking at all the GB kernels available and the sysfs on them isn't set up to do all that I've described on any of them. That's not to say they're not very well appointed kernels. They are, to the point I'm jealous. The TB has 2 GB Sense kernels. And the second one is based off the tree of the first.
My Tbolt took a mean hit in performance moving from froyo to GB. It's muscular enough hardware that it makes little impact on user experience. I put the same ROM ported for the dInc on the dInc and it was simply painful to watch. Aside from full Sense with Sense 3.0 elements, that ROM was stripped to the bone. That's why I asked if you really need GB. If you don't, there's far faster stuff out there in the land of Froyo. I run GB on the dInc now, and it's just as stupid-fast as the Tbolt, but it's AOSP. In fact, it would probably out-score my Bolt on benchmarks.
I like my Sense too. My dInc runs AOSP because that's what the gf likes. It'll probably go back to Sense when I give it to my wife. It's nice being able to get some AOSP experience now, since I don't have to live with the thing. Sorry if my opinion of my experience with GB Sense made it look like I was hating on the dInc. I'm not. You should have seen a lot of the first GB builds for the Bolt. You'd be lucky if the thing even booted. And they crawled along like sloths on opium. Maybe when some more developed GB leaks come along, it will work like it should. It's not there yet. Go try some and let me know. I'd love to think I'm wrong.

Optimized shift is my favorite just wish it had 2.1 lockscreen.. pure speed is fast just the lockscreen call bug irritated me... I'm on omfgb and have had a fast and stable experience.. using incredikernel with fast charge.. sense is nice but way too laggy for me.. guess I'm just picky..
Once a fast stable 3.0 sense rom comes out I'll probably switch to it... I try every rom I think is good but usually sense lets me down..
Well that's my 2¢…
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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That's a good one to start out with.
CM7 is nice but some people just prefer Sense.
I'd suggest that you stay away from ROM manager just because it can be buggy often.
Really not too big of changes from 2.2 to 2.3
Most notable is the over-scroll effect and they put in some security patches.
Eventually I'm sure you'll want to try out Sense 3.0- but just giving out my opinion in that it doesn't run too great on the INC compared to other ROM's. Bunches of people use it all the time and love it, so who knows, it may be for you. It's what's so great about android.
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The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone.
DEV's are making this situation better with each new release but I think you get what I'm saying.
Also know that if you update to GB on AOSP you will lose your 720p video recording- not important to most people but if it is to you then you should clear away.
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Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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I think OP was still mad at him for his other 10 posts of pure bashing and douche-baggery that he made in a couple other threads.

yep, just flashed skyraider and...so far i love it, i just have the itch to flash over to gingersense due to gb, but like you said, i may hold off on that for a while.

"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.

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"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*

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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.

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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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Well there's still no 4G in VA at all so it's got a ways to go before it's considered coverageable.
The CPU speed was what I was trying to say to you before, it takes a lot of power to rev the CPU faster- and with dual cores they can both run slower yet outperform a beefier CPU clocked at faster rates. That's really the upgrade I'm waiting for, a good phone with dual core with root available.
this is going horribly offtopic.
I think it's pretty amazing how there really are no mods here.
It's like they all just abandoned.