okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
For a fast, gingerbread sense 2.1 ROM I would try either newts optimized shift or Wild Stangs pure speed.
Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
Kiboe said:
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
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To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
From personal experience if you're going gingerbread I say CM7 or OMFGB. Also MIUI is another popular choice (if you're into it- very different from any other ROM).
ADW launcher comes with CM7, and at first that was the whole reason I stopped using CM7, then I figured out you can change the launcher.. haha
Launcher Pro+ was a much better choice for me, so if you go that route and you don't like ADW- you know where to turn
Kernel's are another very major part of how well your phone performs and also your battery life. Chad's incredikernel are by far the top choice for both Sense and AOSP kernel's.
As always, if you have bad luck with one ROM or kernel, get suggestions and try another. There IS a perfect combination waiting for you
From experience, I would have to agree with loonatik78 about Sense 3.0's effects on phone performance. With that said, I absolutely love Sense and stayed on Sense 2.1/3.0 roms until 3.0 roms received proper treatment and I subsequently switched over to Pure 3.0 roms several weeks ago. I agree with loonatik78 in the sense that you should avoid a pure 3.0 rom IF you want generally less lag but as development continues they get better everyday.
I would suggest Synergy rom from Incubus26jc, Optimized Shift from Newtoroot, AND Nils Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0 +3d. I respect these dev's work and recommend them with ease. As far as the camera, I don't take pics often so I can't provide much insight there. I know Nils' rom is in the process of including hdr and panorama as a setting in the camera app courtesy of Newtoroot (who included it in his Hybrid Sense 3.0 rom I believe). Hopefully you peak in and see what each Sense 2.1/3.0 rom available has to offer and find your daily.
Wdforty's Inc2 Remix hands down. Its a Sense 2.1 ROM with the nice 3.0 bits added in and the battery life is pretty good. It's pretty stable as well.
For the full Sense 3.0 experience I would give Nils Gingersense 3.0 a try. He does great work as well and his ROM is quite snappy for 3.0.
To be honest, flashing on the Incredible is so easy you can try them all out for yourself to see which ROM satisfies YOUR needs. As long as you stick with ROMS towards the top of the Developement forum (shows many people are using them) you will be fine. Read the threads for serious bugs that are reported that may sway you from using a rom.
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k, i am close, i's just trhat i talked to a freind who put cm7 or a rom on his droid 1, and he said he had to reset it.
i guess i am just afraid of bricking the phone, booted cm7 the last time throuh rom manager, and it kept botting in bootloop, well, i got the rom back, but, i don't want to go through that again.
POQbum said:
To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
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okay, the thing is, is there really that much of a noticable difference bewteen 2.2 and 2.3? i already tested out flash and it works flawlessly o this default dinc (after i cleared the bloatware out, THANKS TITANIUM BACKUP!) i'm not going to use blockbuster, or netflix (as much as people like that, i don't watch movies on a 3 1/2 scren.
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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I like Nils Business Gingersense 3d-2.3 for a Sense rom. It is stable, quick and battery life is good. I use Conaps DualRom x2 so I'm able to load CM7, OMFGB, Evervolv and Miui (all Aosp roms) also. They are all very stable, quick and very good battery life using Chad's incredikernel on all except OMFGB on which I use invisiblek kernel.
I think in the end, it is mostly a matter of personal preference.
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why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
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Holy Sh#t! Are you for real??? All I was doing was giving you an honest impression of my personal experience with a gingerbread Sense ROM built by one of the most experienced devs on the dInc. I used a LOT of ROM's on that phone. The absolute fastest Sense experience you will find is Incredibly Re-Engineered 2.3.2 using Ziggy's BFS 4/10 overclocked to 1.153GHz, smartass gov. setCPU to sleep at 245. The better way to do it would be to use the sysfs interface with a script to undervolt it more, set the smartass to be more conservative, and overclock it. If the smartass is tweaked correctly, the thing will do most of it's work around 768MHz or less, but will still have the overhead to ramp up to 1.153GHz if the load demands. I've been looking at all the GB kernels available and the sysfs on them isn't set up to do all that I've described on any of them. That's not to say they're not very well appointed kernels. They are, to the point I'm jealous. The TB has 2 GB Sense kernels. And the second one is based off the tree of the first.
My Tbolt took a mean hit in performance moving from froyo to GB. It's muscular enough hardware that it makes little impact on user experience. I put the same ROM ported for the dInc on the dInc and it was simply painful to watch. Aside from full Sense with Sense 3.0 elements, that ROM was stripped to the bone. That's why I asked if you really need GB. If you don't, there's far faster stuff out there in the land of Froyo. I run GB on the dInc now, and it's just as stupid-fast as the Tbolt, but it's AOSP. In fact, it would probably out-score my Bolt on benchmarks.
I like my Sense too. My dInc runs AOSP because that's what the gf likes. It'll probably go back to Sense when I give it to my wife. It's nice being able to get some AOSP experience now, since I don't have to live with the thing. Sorry if my opinion of my experience with GB Sense made it look like I was hating on the dInc. I'm not. You should have seen a lot of the first GB builds for the Bolt. You'd be lucky if the thing even booted. And they crawled along like sloths on opium. Maybe when some more developed GB leaks come along, it will work like it should. It's not there yet. Go try some and let me know. I'd love to think I'm wrong.
Optimized shift is my favorite just wish it had 2.1 lockscreen.. pure speed is fast just the lockscreen call bug irritated me... I'm on omfgb and have had a fast and stable experience.. using incredikernel with fast charge.. sense is nice but way too laggy for me.. guess I'm just picky..
Once a fast stable 3.0 sense rom comes out I'll probably switch to it... I try every rom I think is good but usually sense lets me down..
Well that's my 2¢…
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
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That's a good one to start out with.
CM7 is nice but some people just prefer Sense.
I'd suggest that you stay away from ROM manager just because it can be buggy often.
Really not too big of changes from 2.2 to 2.3
Most notable is the over-scroll effect and they put in some security patches.
Eventually I'm sure you'll want to try out Sense 3.0- but just giving out my opinion in that it doesn't run too great on the INC compared to other ROM's. Bunches of people use it all the time and love it, so who knows, it may be for you. It's what's so great about android.
@loonatik78 / Kiboe
The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone.
DEV's are making this situation better with each new release but I think you get what I'm saying.
Also know that if you update to GB on AOSP you will lose your 720p video recording- not important to most people but if it is to you then you should clear away.
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Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
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I think OP was still mad at him for his other 10 posts of pure bashing and douche-baggery that he made in a couple other threads.
yep, just flashed skyraider and...so far i love it, i just have the itch to flash over to gingersense due to gb, but like you said, i may hold off on that for a while.
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
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Well there's still no 4G in VA at all so it's got a ways to go before it's considered coverageable.
The CPU speed was what I was trying to say to you before, it takes a lot of power to rev the CPU faster- and with dual cores they can both run slower yet outperform a beefier CPU clocked at faster rates. That's really the upgrade I'm waiting for, a good phone with dual core with root available.
this is going horribly offtopic.
I think it's pretty amazing how there really are no mods here.
It's like they all just abandoned.
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Hey guys, I am not a noob to flashing roms or anything but I have been on the new Fresh for awhile and I really want to try out a new rom. I have been eyeing CM6 and Myn's Two Point Two. I was just looking for some input of those that are currently running these roms as to why I should switch from fresh?
Thanks
Fresh is a great ROM. There's no real need to switch unless you just want to try something new (which seems to be the case here). CM6 is a fantastic ROM and it's even better when you run it with a >>Snap kernel in Turbo mode. CM6 offers a very slim and stock Android feel. The only bad thing is no 4G (unless you don't care about that). Other things to note about CM6 is that HDMI is not available either. I don't know if they got the FM radio working yet either but, really, who the hell uses FM radio on their EVO? I mean I could see the uses but still.....
Anyway, myn's Warm ROM is *really* nice if you like Sense ROMs. The screen transition animations are kinda trippy at first but you get used to them. I also like how dark the theme is. We're talking pitch black notification bar, black/gray notifications - pair that with a black wallpaper and your phone is super-dark. The font that comes with it is real nice to me but I can see why others wouldn't like it. Thankfully, myn includes the stock fonts in the OP on his thread. I like Warm. It's different (to me anyway). Worth giving a shot.
I'm a flashoholic though. I'll probably switch to something new or old within a matter of hours That's just how it goes. You'll be happy with either Warm or CM6 but if you like Sense-based ROMs give Warm a shot. I think you'll be enlightened.
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Fresh is a great ROM. There's no real need to switch unless you just want to try something new (which seems to be the case here). CM6 is a fantastic ROM and it's even better when you run it with a >>Snap kernel in Turbo mode. CM6 offers a very slim and stock Android feel. The only bad thing is no 4G (unless you don't care about that). Other things to note about CM6 is that HDMI is not available either. I don't know if they got the FM radio working yet either but, really, who the hell uses FM radio on their EVO? I mean I could see the uses but still.....
Anyway, myn's Warm ROM is *really* nice if you like Sense ROMs. The screen transition animations are kinda trippy at first but you get used to them. I also like how dark the theme is. We're talking pitch black notification bar, black/gray notifications - pair that with a black wallpaper and your phone is super-dark. The font that comes with it is real nice to me but I can see why others wouldn't like it. Thankfully, myn includes the stock fonts in the OP on his thread. I like Warm. It's different (to me anyway). Worth giving a shot.
I'm a flashoholic though. I'll probably switch to something new or old within a matter of hours That's just how it goes. You'll be happy with either Warm or CM6 but if you like Sense-based ROMs give Warm a shot. I think you'll be enlightened.
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Wow, thanks man I wasn't expecting an in-depth explanation like you gave. I really appreciate it, and yeah I am pretty addicted to Sense unfortunately, everyone always bags on it though and says how its bogs down your phone etc. Thats why I was considering trying CM6. Does the Music Widget work for you on Warm? I had read that it wasn't working for some people and that was why I was apprehensive about switching. Also, what kernel would you advise to use with it. I have always been a netarchy guy never really tried out Kings too much.
The Music widget works for me. I've never had a problem with it. As for kernels, I'm with you man - Netarchy FTW! King's kernels are hit or miss for me. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I don't mean to sound like a **** but I don't have time for hit or miss So, netarchy 4.1.9.1 CFS is working just fine for me at the moment.
As for Sense, I like Sense too although sometimes I miss LauncherPro. Then I move to LauncherPro and then I miss Sense. Go figure. I'm never happy with these things for long. Just keep an eye out for my sig as you wander through the forums. It changes, like, every other freakin day.
haha will do man I appreciate all of your help, in that case im gonna head on my way to the Warm. Just curious though I tried to use the CFS on the Fresh Rom and I was getting boot loops like crazy. What is the difference in BFS and CFS that is the only thing I have never been able to understand with kernels.?
I am using myn's right now and is extremely quick for a sense rom. Battery life is great as well. I can go 16 hours on a charge with 4g always on. Best sense rom I have used to date. I am also a flash-a-holic, LOL.
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I am using myn's right now and is extremely quick for a sense rom. Battery life is great as well. I can go 16 hours on a charge with 4g always on. Best sense rom I have used to date. I am also a flash-a-holic, LOL.
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What kernel are you running? I am getting ready to flash I just would like to have everything good to go with flash number 1 haha
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haha will do man I appreciate all of your help, in that case im gonna head on my way to the Warm. Just curious though I tried to use the CFS on the Fresh Rom and I was getting boot loops like crazy. What is the difference in BFS and CFS that is the only thing I have never been able to understand with kernels.?
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CFS vs BFS..... they have to do with different CPU schedulers if I understand it correctly. Theoretically, you're supposed to get slightly better performance with BFS but it's been a little buggy on my phone (launch day, 002 hardware) and what's performance without stability? CFS works just as fine but, honestly, you're going to have to search for this answer on your own. King's kernel threads are where I found a really good explanation of the differences between the two and I remember it's how I decided CFS was probably best for me just for the life of me I can't remember what was said now that I think about it. Not all EVO's are created equal. For some, CFS rocks and for others it sucks. Same goes for BFS. Just try both and see how it goes. I'd start with CFS if I were you.
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer! That's not usually my style
Well I appreciate all your help man, its not every member that is willing to give an in-depth response. Very rarely do you see that. So thanks a million for that man.
No problem. Just doing my part to pay it forward.
i just flashed a few roms tonight i have been using fresh but wanted to try a new one ive tried calks 2 virus roms and now warm i personally like it like a previous post its real snappy and my set cpu isnt even installed on my phone kings bfs 9 seems to work the best for me ive tried other roms with other kernels mixed and matched but im stuck on kings
What do you like better about Warm over Fresh?
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You just happened to mention the only three roms that I have ran for long lengths of time.
CyanogenMod:
I ran CM6 the longest and it is a very lean and snappy rom - it also got me hooked on LauncherPro. I really loved the customization ability of CM6 and it was a pleasant change from SenseUI. Also one of the biggest factors was it was the first Rom that I used with FPS unlocked. This is the only rom I used SetCPU with and everything ran stable and quick.
Having said that...
I found myself missing some sense widgets (LauncherPro paid version really addresses this but there is a smoothness in the sense widgets that it is missing). Also there is the issue with 4G and some quirkiness I experienced with CM6.
Fresh 3.2 and 3.3:
I flashed Fresh 3.2 and fell back in love with Sense. The new HTC kernel 11 came out and the FPS cap was gone (Fresh 3.3 I think). There was much I had missed from Sense - it is refined and just feels complete with everything (4G, camera, etc...) working properly. I can't hit the quadrant scores that I could on CM6 but I realized that I no longer cared about that. The rom was smooth and snappy. It did everything that I wanted it to.
Myn's Warm Two.Two:
I am currently on Myn's Warm 2.2 with HTC #11 and I'm loving it. For me, it's just about the looks of this thing. It's sleek and snappy with sort of a minimalist look. It retains the functionality of sense with a completely custom look and feel. The black themed keyboard fits so well with it - I really think HTC would have been better off with this design.
Conclusion:
Your real decision is do you prefer AOSP or Sense. I personally find myself enjoying the functionality of Sense more - however, I can totally see where others love AOSP. I love them both - but prefer the refinement of Sense and it is plenty smooth and snappy for me.
AOSP - CyanogenMod
Sense (stock look) - Fresh
Sense (custom look) - Myn's Warm
My Perfect Rom - SenseUI (including widgets) with LauncherPro launcher. Unfortunately for me, this doesn't exist yet
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I know battery life is a hot topic and influences the rom and kernel that people select. I often wonder if it is hardware or application related because I have seen 24+ hour battery life from each of these roms/kernels. Some may have been a little better but the difference was negligible.
I don't really consider myself a heavy user - but not a light one either. Maybe I have just been lucky so far. I generally put my phone on charge every night (I've missed a night here or there) and I have NEVER gotten below 15% battery life - even camping for two days in airplane mode)
My benchmark scores are terrible, just short of 1100. According to the benchmark app, quadrant, I am very under average compared to most Evos. What are some mode, roms, hacks, etc that I can run to get back to at least average, if not higher? I'm currently trying out Mik Z and I typically run either MikFroyo or Konikub's Elite Series II.
I know that those numbers look great when they are high, but the real test is...does your phone feel fast? Dont put too much faith in those benchmarks, your eyes, and hands will tell you if your phone is fast or not. Cheers!
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I know that those numbers look great when they are high, but the real test is...does your phone feel fast? Dont put too much faith in those benchmarks, your eyes, and hands will tell you if your phone is fast or not. Cheers!
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The phone works perfectly on every rom I've used except CM7 (I used the wimax alpha, so it wasn't perfect for me). Very fast, iPhone fast even. However, I know that our UI is processor based and not graphics based (so our Adreno 200 doesn't have to process the home screens and such). This is strictly because I've seen Evos run 1700s and I'd like to try to get it.
Most of the roms that run 1300 and above are aosp roms. And it also depends on overclock speed and and kernel. it isn't just about choosing the right rom but the right combination of rom kernel and clock speed. it is basically trial and error. This website was started by skydeaner and it is a review of several different roms and kernels. It is a good website for the information that you want and can help minimize the amount of trial and error. hope this helped
http://home.comcast.net/~evoreviews/
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Most of the roms that run 1300 and above are aosp roms. And it also depends on overclock speed and and kernel. it isn't just about choosing the right rom but the right combination of rom kernel and clock speed. it is basically trial and error. This website was started by skydeaner and it is a review of several different roms and kernels. It is a good website for the information that you want and can help minimize the amount of trial and error. hope this helped
http://home.comcast.net/~evoreviews/
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well you also have to keep in mind every phone is going to act different. Some phones can over clock much higher than others. Some kernals play well with one phone, and terrible with another.
So you could exactly match my setup, overclocked exactly the same, everything, and yet one phone or the other is going to almost always be faster.
I know my phone doesn't seem to have issues one way or another betweem BFS and CFS kernals, but some people I know, and I've seen people say it on here, their phones really only handle one or the other very well.
but as the other guy said, if you want fast speeds, dump the sense roms, AOSP, specially GB is going to be much faster.
Gb is fast. Cm7 with savagedzen cfs at 1190mhz averages 1500-1700 I have gotten 1400 with mikfroyo 4.5 and netarchy 4.3.2 cfs more have.
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well you also have to keep in mind every phone is going to act different. Some phones can over clock much higher than others. Some kernals play well with one phone, and terrible with another.
So you could exactly match my setup, overclocked exactly the same, everything, and yet one phone or the other is going to almost always be faster.
I know my phone doesn't seem to have issues one way or another betweem BFS and CFS kernals, but some people I know, and I've seen people say it on here, their phones really only handle one or the other very well.
but as the other guy said, if you want fast speeds, dump the sense roms, AOSP, specially GB is going to be much faster.
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Yup that is very true. I agree with you in every word that you just said. Especially about dumping sense and picking up aosp
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Hi. I'm thinking about flashing my first ROM on the Droid Incredible for my wife. She is having terrible battery life with her phone, and I'd like to try and help her out. I really am not looking for much though. My order of prefs are:
Stability > Battery Life > Performance
Mods and tweaks and things of that nature are not really a huge concern for me. I just want everything to work well, and have great battery life. I'd love to hear some suggestions.
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I'm running OVORene Community ROM and my battery last all day with GPS on internet on and 5 apps syncing all day everything on. Super stable I have no problems so far no force closes. Give it a try
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But having sense 3.0 is a closer look too stock incredible and have great battery life
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Nobrainer, the newest leak 2.3.4. Its only sense 1.0, so it would be familiar to her, no lag, no issues at all, and the best battery life for me on any sense rom.
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Nobrainer, the newest leak 2.3.4. Its only sense 1.0, so it would be familiar to her, no lag, no issues at all, and the best battery life for me on any sense rom.
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I'd go this route or something VERY similar to it. Just don't flash the RUU. Try to find a rooted version of the ROM.
As for AOSP, I've flashed about 5 different AOSP ROMs on my dInc and none of them have been what I'd call stable and reliable. I'm NOT a fan of any of the launchers and I do NOT like having to spend days trying to dig through the Market and threads trying to find the stuff to make AOSP do most of what Sense does right out of the box. My girlfriend likes AOSP... and I just can't understand why, but I'm always messing with it trying to figure out why it's restarting, being all herky-jerky, not responding, doing weird things for no reason... And frankly, I don't think the battery life is all that much better on AOSP than Sense.
I don't know what about CM7 or MIUI isn't stable or reliable? What doesn't work on those roms that works on sense roms? IMO, sense is bloated, slow, and outside of social networking (which I couldn't care less about anyway), adds no real functionality when compared to AOSP. Also, AOSP roms are infinitely more customizable than sense. For people that like to mess with their phones and make them their own (which being XDA, I'd think a lot are in this category), there's just simply way more you can do with AOSP, and better kernels too!
Again, some of this is just my opinion, but I fail to see how our AOSP roms can be called unstable or unreliable. It all boils down to personal preference but to say that AOSP is not stable or reliable is simply not a true statement.
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I don't know what about CM7 or MIUI isn't stable or reliable? What doesn't work on those roms that works on sense roms? IMO, sense is bloated, slow, and outside of social networking (which I couldn't care less about anyway), adds no real functionality when compared to AOSP. Also, AOSP roms are infinitely more customizable than sense. For people that like to mess with their phones and make them their own (which being XDA, I'd think a lot are in this category), there's just simply way more you can do with AOSP, and better kernels too!
Again, some of this is just my opinion, but I fail to see how our AOSP roms can be called unstable or unreliable. It all boils down to personal preference but to say that AOSP is not stable or reliable is simply not a true statement.
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Going thru the miui or the cm7 nightly threads lately, it does appear that they also have their fair share of issues. The fact of the matter is, the leaked/rooted ota is very stable, very fast, and has great battery life. It also would have no learning curve for her and she could set up her screens to her liking with whats already familiar to her. Thats why i said no brainer. Aosp is nice, ive ran them all, but it really is just personal preference. Aosp battery can be just as bad if not worse than sense. I also found my self trying to make it look like sense, so now i use sense pretty much all the time. The diffrence between sense and aosp is preference and preference only.
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I definitely wouldn't hesitate to recommend the stock rom for someone that doesn't really mess with their phone that much and needs it to work without issue. I personally like to have a bit more control and feature additions. I mainly posted because it was being stated that AOSP roms were unstable and unreliable, and that's simply not the case. I have recently run CM7 nightlies and MIUI (current rom) without issue. I keep up on new features and bug fixes, and there isn't anything "buggy" about either of these roms. Pretty much the only things you're gonna be missing out on are 720p recording and tv-out functionality, but for me that tradeoff is well worth it considering the other benefits.
I can't really speak on battery life comparatively, because my phone hasn't seen a sense rom for more than a few hours since I got it, but I think the difference is mainly in the kernels. There are simply better options for AOSP (right now at least), the kernels have more battery saving features than what is available for GB sense. I see that they've gotten smartass working on the new GB sense kernel though, so I would think that would help. I imagine a lot of it also has to do with your accounts and sync settings as well, for example, I'd imagine if you had two phones (one on AOSP, one on stock sense) with the same governor settings and sync settings, battery life would be pretty similar.
I would think your probably right on that. I personally have had no issues with aosp roms or any of the new gb roms. I run basic configurations with minimal apps and minimal syncing. I only install 4 apps, so i can get a rom runnin pretty good for what i need.
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Im using the latest OMFGB nightly, no problems, no issues, everything works.
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OP you will be flooded with opinions going in all directions, it depends what you want. Pretty much any ROM here is noticeably faster than stock with better battery.
If you're looking something closer to stock, but faster and with better battery life than I would suggest Skyraider:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=1314
Agreeing with nivesout, Sense adds some bloat to your phone- but some people just like the UI and don't mind whatever minimal extra lag or battery loss they get from it.
CM7 is a great AOSP ROM and just in general one of the top choices here. If you get this then you should probably download Launcher Pro (from market) instead of using ADW, but it's up to you.
MIUI is more appearance based and offers lots of theming options, however the luancher that comes with it is not as smooth as other launchers (can always be changed like you can do with CM7)
All of these ROM's are stable and well polished.
I would also suggest that you use chad's incredikernel for a custom kernel (saves battery and increases performance) and also flash the latest radio because it's trending that most people get better battery and faster speeds with it.
It seems like people are just reading his op title. Paragraph 2 states mods and themes are not what he is looking for. Its for his wife. If you go thru the new ota threads you will find people stating excellent battery life. The ota's are debloated and can be even more reduced with ti backup. His wife will have no issues with this rom, nor will she have to search market for apps, theme section for themes, install new kernels, yada yada ya.... The leaked, debloated, pre-rooted ota is a perfect solution for what he is looking for. Op, you can pm me if you have questions about which one to install.
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Thanks to all of you who took the time to reply. I appreciate everyone's input.
@donnyp1 Thanks for your suggestion, and if you want to put your recommendation in this thread that would be great or PM works too. What you said is pretty head on, keeping it simple and similar to what she is already used to would be great. Just need to get that battery in check.
The new OTA has given me the best battery life of any ROM I've used. However, HTC's kernel dislikes my car's Bluetooth module, so I'm back on CM7 for maximum compatibility till they or a kernel dev releases one that works with my car.
My vote is on the OTA. Fast, long lasting and very stable. As a second choice I say CM7. Only thing about CM7 is that she would have to spend more time setting it up.
The sense 2.1/3.0 and 3.0 roms still have some bugs and general performance issues without no real boon to battery life. Lockscreen and quick settings sure do rock though.
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I have run all 3, and liberation beta 4 is really working well. I had no issues with any though. I used ti backup to remove the rest of the verizon stuff, it eorks fantastic. Display at 30%, i get great battery life on my phone. I also flashed the newest radio.
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Godsmacked's senseless 2.0 is a great blend of sense and aosp. Battery life is awesome, it flies, and I haven't had a single fc yet.
Maybe I'm wrong but I was always under the impression that Kernel effects battery life not ROM. I have been going between CM7 Nighties and MIUI.US, with their kernel only get 6 to 8 hours. But if I use incredikernel with incredicontrol I get between 18-27 hours depending on use. Incredicontrol enables fast charge and sound boost, also allows you to set min and max volts. I'm undervolted min 750 and stable with CM7 Nightly 173. I loved Nils' Business GingerSense 3.0 but I personally decided I can't live without incredikernel, so I will wait until he releases a gingersense kernel.
http://www.incredikernel.com/
I have not tried but there are mod's for Gingersense for better battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216306
For choices on ROM's best to go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371
I've been running MIUI for about a week now and I can't believe how great the battery life has been.
I personally have been using gingerbread-inc-deck with chads incredikernel as my daily for over a month now. It's stable and I've had great battery life. I've tested a few sense 3.0 roms, but the battery just doesnt seem to last as long for me.
Hi everyone, my Incredible 2 just arrived and I'm about ready to root it and flash a ROM. I first wanted to try the CM7 stable build because they're "official" developers in my opinion, but I read some posts and there seems to be some issues with various small things. I looked at the nightlies and those still seem to have issues as well. Then I looked over here at the CM7Kangs, but something seems to tell me that CM isn't completely stable in itself. Whether it does or doesn't have Sense, etc. I'm just interested in a new ROM that is stable and fully functional (cameras work, GPS works, etc). The main reason for flashing a new ROM is because I don't want all the bloatware that comes with this thing, and even if it isn't cutting edge, I'm sure it can be faster than stock. Any suggestions guys?
EDIT: I hear Skyraider Zeus/MIUI are good. I found Skyraider Zeus 1.3 on the internet, but what versions of MIUI are stable? I hear this ROM has good reviews too
http://roms.miui.us/ 1.12.9 is stable an totally functional works good with areoevans .7 bfs kernel
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http://www.teambamf.net/f37/[rom][gb]-skyraider-zeus-1-3-inc2-[update-11-22-2011]-2725/
This is skyraiders link which is a top notch sense rom.
Skyraider's roms are top notch. All the current cm7 kangs work without flaws. Miui12.9 is awesome. Also look into condemned sense rom, any of nits work, alot of people are running mikrunny 3.5
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Thanks! Just wondering, is Skyraider Zeus overclockable? I looked at the post and the only kernel it mentions is the "HTC OTA update". IIRC, you need a special kernel to OC, don't you?
Also, my question above is the same for the MIUI 1.12.9 ROM. Can it be OC'd? is it fully stable on the non-aeroevan kernel?
Yes you can us dres kernel found in development forum for skyraiders and miui I recommend using areovans kernel due to stock kernel can cause a few issues (low in call volume and for some data is not reliable)
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another vote for SkyRaider Zeus. if you want a ROM you can set and forget, this is it. everything works, except for Verizon's wifi tether in the "quick launch", but that's it. it's just as reliable as stock or better, has tons of features and extras built in. a lot of thought, and time went into this, it is truly a complete Sense ROM.
never tried AOSP ROMs so i can't comment.
good luck in your search. at least try Zeus, you won't be disappointed.
I personally haven't tried miui so I wont comment on that. There are plenty of great roms out there. I am currently using the latest cm7 nightly as my DD (#134 I think?) with excellent results! I cant remember seeing any issues since i flashed it. I am going on nearly a month with zero issues. Before this rom I tried out New To Root's Incredible 2 HD RLS v1.1 which was also a flawless rom from my experience. I had no luck with the RC releases of cm7 but I know of others who love them.
I like to run sense from time to time but I always go back to aosp for the customization possibilities it offers.
In the end, none of us can tell you what the best rom for you is. I can say that in general if you want a rom that you can flash and forget about it you will probably want to go with a rom that has been around for a while, preferably one that is in RC or Final status.
My advice is to try a few so you can see whether you like miui, aosp, or sence. Once you figure that out then just try a few of that type to find one that suits you.
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Well I've never even used a smartphone before other than when occasionally using my brother's iPhone 4, so the interface won't be a big deal. I'll adapt and enjoy whatever I end up using. I just want to use something that's stable (in the sense that it's fully featured and nothing randomly messes up) and fast. Skyraider Zeus and the various CM7 kangs seem to accomplish this. I'll have to think harder on which one i want to use. The CM7 kang i'm looked at is by Condemned Soul. I can't really post in that forum yet, so I'm using this thread as a way to get this type of information.
The CM7 kang that he made is already able to OC I believe because of the CM kernel...so that's a plus because I'd really just want to flash the phone and enjoy using it. I like tinkering with stuff, but I don't want to constantly worry about flashing/unflashing and causing instability. I need this phone to last until the next upgrade. The thing is, "Sense" seems really interesting. People say it looks nice and has lots of features, but I've never really experienced these features anyway, so maybe I should go with CM7.
I always hear people talking about how stable MIUI is, but that has not been my experience with MIUI at all. I have tried MIUI three or four times on a few different android devices each time following the install instructions exactly. Wiped factory reset, dalvik, permissions battery stats etc. all the default ROM install stuff.
Each time MIUI boots up fine and works well for about 3 hours and then randomly reboots and glitches forcing me come back to the stable CM7 version.
I really want to like MIUI, but my experiences seem to be very different than most people.
Interestingly enough, when I googled the word "issues" on Cyanogenmod's stable forum, they mentioned stuff about Skype having problems with audio that was fixed in the non-stable nightly #134. This is why I am wondering if CM7 is truly stable or not. I'm not sure how to track errors/issues, so I don't know what the nightlies have improved upon, and I definitely don't know what the kangs improve on/fix.
If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
jrizk07 said:
If you like tinkering with stuff I'd say you could go the CM or MIUI (AOSP) route. But this phone is not going to be as good as other phones that are running aosp. It was made to run sense.
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I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
Fully featured is also going to set you back, do you mean fully featured as in being able to use it as a world phone? GSM Capabilities?
If so you're going to have to run stock or close to stock.
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What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
Me personally, I like sense. MikRunny 1.01 here. Fast, stable and everything works. Except for GSM though.
cstone1991 had it right though, you have to run them to see which one you like best. Everyone is going to have their own opinions on which ROM runs best and again each phone is going to run ROMS differently as well.
For ROM's you're going to basically go through different bases like this.
AOSP ROM's like CM7, MIUI
Sense 2.1 ROM's like Andybones stock or skyraider zeus
Sense 3.0 ROM's like Virtuous
Sense 3.5 ROM's like MikRunny
Each base has different features, different feel. You'll also have the ability to theme them differently as well.
Try the ones that interest you the most, run them for a few days each and see which one fits you the best.
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Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
ma70ent said:
I like tinkering with stuff, but only to a point. I don't like to constantly have to "re-do" things that don't have to do with the tinkering process (IE: Flashing over and over). What makes the phone able to run "Sense" instead of AOSP? I'm not aware of the whole Sense vs AOSP bit. If I could get some solid info on why I should run Sense instead of AOSP, I'll run Skyraider Zeus most likely, etc.
The drivers are mostly what's different. Because HTC uses sense originally, Sense is going to be what works the best. It's not that it can't run AOSP but that sense is going to run without problems because that's what it was made to run.
What I mean is that I don't need "extra" features or anything like that. I just want the phone to work the way it's supposed to....such as GPS and the camera(s) working. I don't want to have to sacrifice something I use often in order to gain speed. World capabilities aren't a big deal to me for sure. I don't know what "tethering" is so that whole bit isn't too important either.
All the features work in most ROM's like that. Some ROM's (Mostly AOSP) have issues where the camera is stretched (front facing cam on miui). You're not really losing anything on other ROM's it's just that they work differently.
Thanks for this huge list. What's the difference between Sense 3.5 vs 3.0 vs 2.1? Yes, the obvious answer is that one is newer than the other. I heard Sense 3.5 has issues with the camera being upside down, etc. So I'd probably stick with the Sense that came with this phone (Sense 2.1 probably)
Sense 2.1 has the older stuff, it's probably going to be the fastest out of the rest of them because it has the least amount of stuff in it. This is what comes on the phone stock and what Skyraider runs.
Sense 3.0 incorporated new features like a new lock screen, new weather app, weather animations, sounds, display features, dial pad, messaging. It's running more stuff so in order to run correctly you would have to use a rom that's optimized.
Sense 3.5 is the newest and also has different features but it's very close to 3.0. Just about everything is the same that you can see but there are differences behind the scenes. Also there are no camera issues unless someone puts out a ROM that was quickly thrown together.
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I say you skip 3.0 altogether and run either 2.1 or 3.5. Anything is better than stock with all the bloat so try skyraider or andybonesstock.
If you wanna try 3.5 go with MikRunny 1.01 and in the display turn off the 3d widget features. See how that runs on your phone, It's flawless on mine, I get no lag but again different phones run differently.
Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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Alright I've decided to go with Skyraider Zeus thanks to reading all of this. Thanks for all of the help. I don't plan on flashing a new kernel onto Skyraider Zeus, so whether the stock SZ kernel can OC or not doesn't matter to me.
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I don't think you will need to over clock. I haven't needed to on this phone. I have tested it and all it did for me was reduce battery life and improve benchmark scores. I haven't been able to tell a difference in actual usage whether I run at 1ghz or 1.8ghz so I opt for better battery life. The only rom that I benefitted from overclocking on was one of the really early ICS builds.
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To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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Rickinsav said:
To all you who responded and to the OP - thanks!
This thread has been very helpful, I just got my Inc 2 last week and looking forward to trying out some new ROMS.
I've read that the stock kernel changed with the OTA updates (I'm on 2.3.4)
Does that limit which of the ROMs I can run?
Are there better ROM managers than others when it comes to this phone and the ROMs available for it?
Thanks.
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The fact that you're on 2.3.4 means you need to use a downgrade tool and go down to 2.3.3. Then you'll use software called "Revolutionary" to get root, etc. If you search for "nat3mills" on youtube, and look under his videos for incredible 2 stuff, he has step by step tutorials on how to do all of this. That's what I'm going to do. Hopefully XDA doesn't penalize me for referencing this youtube user. Good luck!
EDIT: Also I'd like to ask everyone, since you feel there is no point in overclocking, is there a way to undervolt with any of these ROMs? Specifically SkyRaider Zeus/CM7 (asking because these seem to be the two common choices for people, and I figured this thread could now be used as a good reference) My logic behind undervolting is that if you can overclock it drastically on stock voltage (which is what I assume SRZ and CM7 are on) then you can probably keep it at stock clocks and undervolt it for better battery life/temperatures.
EDIT #2: Ok I was just looking in CondemnedSoul's CM7Kang thread. Apparently there is an app called Incredicontrol that let's you mess with voltages. Just to make sure, CM7 in itself only has the ability to control clock speeds (under/overclock) and not voltages, right? This means that Incredicontrol is necessary to mess with voltages?
from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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from my understanding; if you OC and UV you gain nothing, if you UC and UV you conserve battery, if you OC and OV you make your device faster but perhaps introduce instability.
i've been reading tons of threads, clock speeds and volting included, and i have made the decision to not O/UC nor O/UV because my phone works great as it is and i do not care about benchmarks and my battery life is acceptable as it is.
if you really want to know more, set aside some time (hours) to search and read thread after thread on these topics and make your own educated decision based on the debates other members have participated in.
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Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
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Uhhh, you're looking at things the wrong way completely. Having less voltage whether something is overclocked or underclocked is ALWAYS better. If you increase the clock speed and have the voltage less than stock, it's a complete WIN WIN situation unless it introduces instability, but this is something you test for. Some people Overvolt to Overclock even further, but increasing voltage is not ALWAYS necessary. Keeping speeds at stock, but UNDERVOLTING helps battery life. Finally, overclocking but keeping stock voltage is the best combination for actual speed. Increasing voltage reduces battery life much more than simply increasing clockspeed.
This is how things work for desktops, and I'm sure it applies to everything else, including phones.
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Not necessarily...desktops and laptops and phones (hardware in particular) is built to run within certain voltage limits. Undervolting CAN help but not in all situations, and especially when running at max-min frequency can cause major instability in a speed-step cycle.
It is usually safe to undervolt a little bit with most hardware - but radios in general can be affected by voltage. Test all hardware with stress testing to ensure it is safe FOR YOUR PARTICULAR PHONE.
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To keep the thread on track - this phone was meant to run with Sense 2.1 - if you sync multiple email accounts or run many apps (buggy or not) you should probably stick with Sense 2.1. If you arent a demanding mobile phone user try anything else. I wish the AOSP builds were more compatible with HTC - and if AOSP isnt integrated into any HTC phones in the future I may switch to another manufacturer.
I read in Development forums that the new Nitrous rom is
an updated stock rom that is much faster. I have flashed
many roms and kernels in the past and never saw a speed
difference (unless overclocked). Well I tried Nitrous and again
noticed no difference in quadrant or nenamark2 scores (I game).
I flashed the hotspot hack and it did not work, so I flashed
a supposed faster anthrax kernel. Nothing got faster, but now
the hotspot wifi works. So Nitrous is a good looking rom, but
I don't get how everyone is saying it is faster. The only bugs
I found is that set cup or cpu master, as well as sd speed increase
tweeks do NOT stick after reboot. Anyone have any ideas on that?
And can people post their quadrant and nenamark2 scores to
show if it is really faster? Thanks
hotstocks said:
I read in Development forums that the new Nitrous rom is
an updated stock rom that is much faster. I have flashed
many roms and kernels in the past and never saw a speed
difference (unless overclocked). Well I tried Nitrous and again
noticed no difference in quadrant or nenamark2 scores (I game).
I flashed the hotspot hack and it did not work, so I flashed
a supposed faster anthrax kernel. Nothing got faster, but now
the hotspot wifi works. So Nitrous is a good looking rom, but
I don't get how everyone is saying it is faster. The only bugs
I found is that set cup or cpu master, as well as sd speed increase
tweeks do NOT stick after reboot. Anyone have any ideas on that?
And can people post their quadrant and nenamark2 scores to
show if it is really faster? Thanks
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Quadrant scores dont really tell you anything and can easily be manipulated, linpack scores are a slightly better judge for performance but still not truly accurate and easily manipulated, your best judge for true performance increase is to use it for several days preferably a week and see how it runs for you
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That's kind of my point. I have tried many roms/kernals and no matter
what speed claims they have, they are all the same (sense based).
I would think that 3d games like Shadowgun, Nova, or Dungeon Hunter
would seem faster/smoother with so called faster roms and kerrnels
like Nitrous/Anthrax, but they are exactly the same speed as Sprint
Stock HTC Evo 4g? All these roms floating around are visually different,
but the speed is exactly the same, so why do devs claim their rom
is faster?
I watched a guy on youtube flashed 119 roms/kernals and said
SavageZen/MUII or something is twice as fast (quadrant), but
the guy lost the ability to mount the phones SD card and 4g!!!
So, my question is:
For the Sprint HTC Evo 4g rooted,
what is THE fastest sense rom/kernel?
Or are they really all the same speed?
Mainly interested in faster gaming, and I do have chainfire installed.
Thanks
Damn Hotstocks at this point I don't think there is anything different anybody can tell you that would really meet your demand... Perhaps maybe you can seek the opinion of notorious XDA Guru "Captain Throwback" and see what he thinks on this matter, this dude forever has a good tip on just about any relevant issue.
Hmm, it would just seem that people around here would
know what is the fastest kernel/rom for full Sprint HTC evo 4g
sense compatibility. Unless I am mistaken, all the sense roms
are the same speed and people are lying when they say they
are faster (Nitrous). I can see how Cyanogen or a senseless rom
could be faster, but all the sense roms I have tried were no faster
than Sprint HTC stock. Maybe a Nitrous user can chime in here.
Hey,
I am not sure what he did to the software of the phone but it appears to me that he didn't tweak the system speed at all but if you noticed transitions are faster and he changed a lot of the animation settings to no dealy so they move faster and gives the Rom the appearance it is faster but the Rom itself has no physical speed changes. That's my two cents anyways
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You do realize the evo is almost 2 yrs old and is severely limited in capabilities by its hardware right? No one can answer your question because every evo is different and every user is different what makes my evo fast may make your evo crawl and vice versa, you also have to wait several days after flashing for the rom and kernel to settle in before your really see any performance difference, you cant flash a rom for an hour or 2 and then judge it they HAVE to settle
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You do realize the evo is almost 2 yrs old and is severely limited in capabilities by its hardware right? No one can answer your question because every evo is different and every user is different what makes my evo fast may make your evo crawl and vice versa, you also have to wait several days after flashing for the rom and kernel to settle in before your really see any performance difference, you cant flash a rom for an hour or 2 and then judge it they HAVE to settle
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This is pretty much what it is hotstocks, just keep in mind these are just a few factors that may vary results from user to user.
Thanks for the info. I know the hardware is not dual core or the newest.
And I do let the rom settle in for 10 minutes. I don't see any reason why
it would need to settle in for a week, but will use it for a week. And the
statement that my evo will be a different speed than yours makes no sense.
If we both have a Sprint HTC Evo 4g running the same rom and kernel at the
stock 1ghz, they will be both the exact same speed and should quadrant the same.
Obviously if I have a bunch of programs running in the background, that changes, but I am talking about after a fresh clean flash.
hotstocks said:
Thanks for the info. I know the hardware is not dual core or the newest.
And I do let the rom settle in for 10 minutes. I don't see any reason why
it would need to settle in for a week, but will use it for a week. And the
statement that my evo will be a different speed than yours makes no sense.
If we both have a Sprint HTC Evo 4g running the same rom and kernel at the
stock 1ghz, they will be both the exact same speed and should quadrant the same.
Obviously if I have a bunch of programs running in the background, that changes, but I am talking about after a fresh clean flash.
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U obviously need to read some more, there are 3 different hardware versions of the evo 002-004 and all have slightly differnt hardware thus they all act differentlu with different software, it takes much longer than 10 minutes for hardware to adjustbto new software which it why it needs to settle in for several days
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Thanks for the info. My hardware says 0004
Does that mean I have the newest/fastest hardware?
Newest doesnt mean fastest so no it all depends on what they had when it was made they have different logic boards different cameras different screens different brands of memory but all have the same processor just different combos all run differently
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Thanks. I know my phone isn't the latest and greatest.
But I am holding out for the LTE Sprint phones coming this
summer. It would be silly to waste my 2 year upgrade on
a Galaxy SII with wimax, when I will need an LTE phone this
summer. Plus it will probably be a quad core 1920x1080 monster
also. Right now I am just trying to make my phone as fast as
possible. It is overclocked to 1.13ghz, have sd speed increase at 2048.
I thought there would be a SIMPLE answer to which sense rom and
kernel were definately the fastest, but I guess no one can answer
that simple question. I have been working on computers for 30 years,
I can install windows XP, windows vista, and windows 7 on three identical computers, I can also flash old and new bioses to the motherboards,
and I can DEFINATELY then benchmark the same machines with different bios (rom) and kernel (windows version), and tell you what is the fastest. I fail to
see why this is so difficult to do with a smartphone like the evo 4g. I would think that the rom/kernel with the highest quadrant (graphics) score and highest Nenamark2 score would be the fastest rom/kernel. Games or 3d graphics is where the phone runs into a bottleneck.
not all evo's are created equal bud, that's just how it is
Every computer, phone, tablet, game console, router, etc. is going to have significant performance variances at an individual device level. Even ones that are identically configured, running the same OS, software, firmware, drivers, etc. A 20+ year career as a network engineer showed me that, and nothing has changed in that regard with more modern electronics.
I'm running the Nitrous ROM as my daily driver so I'm rather familiar with it, and I really don't see how you can claim that anyone lied to you. The ROM has simply been tweaked to speed up the UI, transitions, and a few other things. Read the first section of the OP for that thread -- it clearly states what has been improved. Nowhere in there does it claim overclocking or anything that would improve phone gaming. The improvements related to data/Wi-Fi have quite a few other factors at play, including the base level variances between devices that I mentioned in the first paragraph. I haven't really noticed an improvement in Wi-Fi, but have noticed an improvement in 3G.
All that said, the ROM is visibly faster and "prettier" (which usually don't come together in one package) on my EVO 4G than any other Sense ROM I've put on it. You need to read/understand what the dev did and not let your expectations get so out of whack. If you want better game performance, you're simply going to have to get a better phone. For its time, the EVO 4G was an absolute BEAST. Now? There are quite a few better phones.
Thanks, and I agree. The evo can still play almost any game on the market (not gta III) with acceptable performance. Nitrous is a nice looking rom, my 3g is same speed. I am using it as my daily, but it is misleading that it is claiming to be faster than stock, it is the same. I also seem to have a problem with sd speed not sticking between reboots, even though I have checked it. Same with CPU master free (set cpu) settings not sticking thru reboot. I also think the live wallpaper wasn't sticking thru reboot, but that was on 1.2.7, haven't tried it on 1.3.1., just wastes battery.
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Nitrous is a nice looking rom, my 3g is same speed. I am using it as my daily, but it is misleading that it is claiming to be faster than stock, it is the same.
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We'll just have to disagree on that one, because overall it's a much faster ROM for me. However, I use my phone as just a smartphone (multimedia, light browsing, email, texting, etc.) where the Nitrous tweaks would be more obvious and beneficial, and then use my Acer tablet far more for gaming.
I think you should just pick a Sense or AOSP ROM that you like and is well supported, and then focus your efforts on various kernels and trying out their options/settings to try to get the most out of your "old" hardware while you wait to get a new phone.
Thanks, I actually did that and it is how I found Nitrous.
I think it is the best sense rom right now, but it has a few
little bugs. I can't post yet in the dev forum for Nitrous,
but the live wallpapers definately do not stick with reboot,
goes back to Nitrous default wallpaper. Other than that
I am pretty happy with Nitrous and Anthrax kernel (for oc
and wireless tether). Real stable. I was just saying that
when the dev says it is much speedier, and his lock screen
says "Nitrous Oxide System", I expect to see a noticable
speed increase. If you put Nitrous Oxide into a Corvette or
Mustang, it doesn't just get get 1% faster, it gets 25% faster!
With Nitrous you REALLY should notice the speed difference.
Yo Hotstocks I'll give you credit for sticking to what you feel son LOL I'm shock you still debating in this thread however if it's ok with you let me give you a little tip since I noticed you might be a little excited to comment on the Dev once you get more than 10 post... Be very gentle with what you say over there because these people spend a lot of time and effort behind what they do for somebody to come and talk smack about their work... Chances are they'll rip you a new one if you cross the line... Just saying son don't take it to the heart either.