Hey guys, just wondering what the most stable (fewest bugs) ROM available right now is. I am also wanting to extentd my battery life. I have a rooted stock 2.2 SLCD Dinc. I know that some things work differently on the SLCD versions than on the AMOLED versions.
I have recently come from an eris and had a great support group on the eris xda section. Since the eris has been around a lot longer than the Dinc it was easy to tell what ROM's were widley used due the activity on that thread. It is not as easy in the Dinc threads because they are so even in numbers.
Thanks for any advice!
You will get a better response in the Q&A forum.
prob skyraider
i love the true vanilla roms like ruby and CM but im not sure if you would consider them 100% stable and i know theres been problems with the SLCD screens
as far as stability.. the Virtuous rom is basically the stock rom with a few user friendly options to tweak things.
I have had the best experience with skyraider's roms, I like the CM6.1 RC's but always get better battery life with skyraider.
JaydenR said:
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Sorry about that, how do I move this to that forum?
By posting it in the q&a section
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Try IncRom. Battery life is outstanding
Myn's Warm RLS 3 is the best I've ever used. It is pristine. 2 days of battery life, no FC's, awesome speed.
Thank you for all of the suggestions. I am reading about all of them and realy wrestling with which one to try...
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Myn's Warm RLS 3 is the best I've ever used. It is pristine. 2 days of battery life, no FC's, awesome speed.
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what kernel are you using? im on ziggys but theres no way i could ever get 2 days out of my battery with low to moderate use
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what kernel are you using? im on ziggys but theres no way i could ever get 2 days out of my battery with low to moderate use
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2.32.17 stock kernel. Seems to be really nice.
Special note though, the use of games will drain that sucker like a vampire victim.
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2.32.17 stock kernel. Seems to be really nice.
Special note though, the use of games will drain that sucker like a vampire victim.
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Yeah I agree with you on that. I'm using Virtuous 3.1 which comes with the new htc kernel and it's blown my mind on battery life and charging times.
The cool thing about roms is the ability to backup and install brand new ones with no risk of really messing anything up. Try them all and find out which you like best. I try a new rom everyday practically... I'm on Myn's right now but I'm probably about to go back to rEVOlution... or Incdoes' Desire Z.... The choices...
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Thank you for all of the suggestions. I am reading about all of them and realy wrestling with which one to try...
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Don't sweat over which one to go with, try them all and then decide for yourself. Once you try one or two you will become hooked and you'll be changing rom's on a daily basis and your girlfriend will be yelling at you because you're always messing with your phone....
...everyone has that problem, right?
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Don't sweat over which one to go with, try them all and then decide for yourself. Once you try one or two you will become hooked and you'll be changing rom's on a daily basis and your girlfriend will be yelling at you because you're always messing with your phone....
...everyone has that problem, right?
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+1 I CONSTANTLY get yelled at. ;-)
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Don't sweat over which one to go with, try them all and then decide for yourself. Once you try one or two you will become hooked and you'll be changing rom's on a daily basis and your girlfriend will be yelling at you because you're always messing with your phone....
...everyone has that problem, right?
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HAHA, yes! I thought I was really the only one. I was like, baby, you're being stupid, no one else cares.... guess I was wrong. It used to be changing phones all the time, but once I got an incredible, I haven't had the desire to change hardware, just software...
Glad I'm not the only one, kinda makes me feel more like a man now.
gfs and rom flashing
man, same here....i think at 11pm no one is going to call me and i can finally flash the rom i've been waiting all day to flash, but boom! gf calls and im like damn. lol. then i spend another hour trying to make it look like how it was before i flashed, ex: download the apps (i still have learned how to use titanium backup to restore the apps), put icons in their places, login all the apps, setup emails, etc....and by the end of the week, new version of a different rom is out and i wanna flash that now.
My wife WANTS an incredible, but she HATES my phone. Shes always saying "Why cant you just PICK ONE and GO WITH IT. Im SO TIRED of your LOVE AFFAIR with your PHONE!"
Shes grown to tolerate it over the year. Kinda.
But back on topic, the ones i tried and liked so far have been
Sense: Uncommon Sense, Myn's Warm, and anything with hey its lou
AOSP: Cyanogen is great on battery, Ruby is nice and smooth, and I've liked the stuff from IncDoes.
To be honest, I don't think that the ROM affects your battery life that greatly. The kernel and what applications your running has a much greater effect. For example, I found that I got the best battery life with either an AOSP ROM, or a Sense ROM with Rosie removed (keeping all the other parts of Sense intact, just replacing Rosie with ADW.Launcher or LauncherPro). Also, LiveWallpapers destroyed my battery.
That said, stability is definitely affected by your ROM. SkyRaider seemed okay, but I had my phone wipe itself one morning, which someone else confirmed as being an issue. My personal best experience has been with Redemptive rEVOlution. Great theme, not much bloat, and nearly bugfree.
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I've been running cyanogen and then MIUI ever since I got my EVO (on my second, first was stolen. ) but I only had my first EVO on sense roms for as long as it took for cyanogen's to first came out. I used to run damage control on my old one, but it seems like there's WAAAAAY more options now. What do you guys think is the best sense rom and why?
I'm been running Myn's WarmTwoPointTwo. I like it because it's well supported, broad user base, it's beautiful (I didn't like all the "shiny" Sense graphics, W2.2 cleaned it up--just looks sharp and sophisticated), it's fast and everything seems to work. I was using the nightlies when they came out and found that I really missed the features of the Evo's camera--I take a lot of pictures and video. Until the camera features improve, I'm sticking with 2.2
Yeah, as bloated as sense was, the things they added were never detrimental to android, I wish we could just pick and choose sometimes. :<
I have been running sac's roms for the past month and they are definitely sweet. He gives you like 5 different launchers that you can use so if you get bored. The battery life on my Evo has been the best it has ever been on any Rom.
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Myn RLS4 is my favorite.
Myn's warm RL4 is amazing..
smooth transition, preety look, good battery live, nice speed too..
what more could I ask? I loooooove it..
best is a matter of opinion
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This is very true...and that being said I've always been a big fan of Fresh Rom's and at the moment was talked in to trying out Myn's warm rom...
Ultimately pick one and flash it, give it a little time and then try another. Give them a chance and then pick the one you like the best and go from there.
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Ultimately pick one and flash it, give it a little time and then try another.
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This is a vicious cycle. Beware of the flashaholics anonymous club.
I love Ava Froyo V10. I've been following Ava since the beginning, and it has only gotten better by leaps and bounds.
I've tried Stock, Cyanogen, Fresh, and Warm, but never really took a good liking to any of them. Ava Froyo has been my go-to-ROM. On previous versions of Ava Froyo, I've coupled it with the Netarchy Toastmod Kernel, however V10 doesn't need it (you won't have an unlocked CPU Voltage, just fyi). I've found it has way better battery life than Myn's.
I prefer Myn's at the moment due to the fact there is such a large modding community, it makes making your perfect rom alot easier. Calkulin also has a script out there to remove Sense, it is probably only supported on his roms though.
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This is a vicious cycle. Beware of the flashaholics anonymous club.
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I toasted my recovery with my flashaholism (EVO-nonsense). I'm using the stock recovery now until I learn a little more about how recoveries work.
Myn's Warm and Calkulin's EViO.
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I've been there before. When I had my Hero I couldn't stick with a rom for longer than 2 days lol.
hey guys i just rooted my GF phone and wanted to see what good rom you guys recommend for my GF use all she cares about having working 4G and good battery cause stock battery sucks...and simple no bells and wishtles maybe like wifi tethering and thats about it...PLEASE HELP there are so many ROM to chose from!!
Try ricsim's turbo stock great battery life fast and bugless and looks completely stock
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I am going to have to take a different opinion on this. I would recommend Myn's TwoPointTwo. Myn has done some extensive work throughout the rom to help with battery life. For the excellent battery life that everyone speaks of, flashing a kernel may be necessary, but that is up to you. The biggest selling point for Myn's rom is the support in the thread for his rom. You can almost always ask something and your guaranteed an answer 5 minutes later.
Now do they both come with 4g enabeld ad wifi tethering app and maybe flashing a kernel is risky I want a rom that's all in one...radios....kernels yo know the whole plate...and thank for he relplies keep it comming
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Myn has all features working 4g,3g, tethering, you name it. And the stock htc kernel is what he packages in his roms, but the latest haven't been bad at all. But I just prefer to get 26 hours of use on one charge. So it depends on how much she wants out of her battery.
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Myn has all features working 4g,3g, tethering, you name it. And the stock htc kernel is what he packages in his roms, but the latest haven't been bad at all. But I just prefer to get 26 hours of use on one charge. So it depends on how much she wants out of her battery.
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She honestly wants the most se can get....I was going to go wit calk evilo 2 cause I am familiar wit him from SDX the moment forums but I haven't been in the evo game to know to much as you can see I have an EPIC lol but thanks man what your set up and how do I get it...
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She honestly wants the most se can get....I was going to go wit calk evilo 2 cause I am familiar wit him from SDX the moment forums but I haven't been in the evo game to know to much as you can see I have an EPIC lol but thanks man what your set up and how do I get it...
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Well, currently I am running:
-Myn's warm TwoPointTwo RLS 4 which is the newest release.
-On top of that I flashed the Ziggy Beta 12/14 CFS Kernel.
Personally, I would just get her onto the rom,and have her try out the rom just as is and see how she comes out with batter life. From experience I can tell you the battery you get will reflect on the way your settings are on the phone itself. Like i said earlier, have her test out this kernel thats already in the rom and see how she comes out. Kernels are like women, you have to try out a few before you can find the one that works the best for you.
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Well, currently I am running:
-Myn's warm TwoPointTwo RLS 4 which is the newest release.
-On top of that I flashed the Ziggy Beta 12/14 CFS Kernel.
Personally, I would just get her onto the rom,and have her try out the rom just as is and see how she comes out with batter life. From experience I can tell you the battery you get will reflect on the way your settings are on the phone itself. Like i said earlier, have her test out this kernel thats already in the rom and see how she comes out. Kernels are like women, you have to try out a few before you can find the one that works the best for you.
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Well alrighty then I am heading over to his site right now any fixes I have to implement or bugs I sould be aware of...
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KaL-EL3038 said:
Well alrighty then I am heading over to his site right now any fixes I have to implement or bugs I sould be aware of...
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Nope, pretty solid rom.
Myn's hands down right now, for the best looking (Damn it's pretty), best FULLY functioning, best battery rom, IMO anyway.
HTC should have hired MYN for the overall appearance and UI experience, instead of the crap they tossed together with Sprint.
Another vote for Myn 2.2!!! Best ROM I have ever used.
I gotta agree, I'm using twopointtwo RLS4 and I get 20hours out of my phone with average usage and 10hours with heavy usage.
Without a doubt, Myns is the way to go. I don't think ill ever use anything other than myns( for my daily driver, still like to check others out). Every release is rock solid. Delay no further. And btw, the kernel it comes with, HTC 17, gives my phone the best battery life. I've tried all if ziggys and most of nets. They all ran great, fast, and smooth for me, but the stock did the best overall.
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I recently ventured into flashing my evo and it was quite easy to root, and return to stock. thank you guys for all of the information posted or else i wouldnt have been able to do it..
My questions are about roms.. Which Rom is the best to use for performance and battery conservation..
So far I love HTC sense, but i'd like more battery and less lag out of it.
Rom's I have tried are:
Cynagen 6
Fresh 3.5
and another i can't remember the name but it was based off of android 2.1
All of these roms ATE my battery.. within an hour-hour and a half I was down to nothing, and It sat in my pocket the whole time, after running quadrant.
I did however notice, my phone would never go to sleep on either rom, not sure if i messed up with rooting it or not.
Any suggestions on what rom to use? I don't want to wait two years for the new sense ui and am curious about gingerbread.
The rom im looking into as of now is CM7-EX.v9, Mixed replies for problems/no problems in that thread though.
As i have said I am new to this, new to linux, etc.. any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. thank you and thanks or all of the great things on this forum.
Personally I'm using a customized version of MikFroyo 4.4. I'd have to say what he's done to speed up the system is amazing. A lot of tedious work. I turn it into a "senseless" version and remove an ishload of other apps and use ADW Launcher EX. All in all, it's the best ROM I've used. Battery life is pretty decent as well.
If you like sense then try myn's rls 5
As for roms, what do you need to have and what can you do without? AOSP roms still don't have full functionality but do have really sweet custom things added in that could make up for it.
As for speed, I have compared CM6.1 to the Sense rom I am using now and the Sense one is faster/smoother. It has Mikfroyo 4.4 as the base but is even faster than that one. Battery life is OK.
However, if you are not even getting 2hrs out of your battery then something is wrong. You need to investigate or change some settings because no matter what combo you are using should get at least half a day out of it.
1) Make sure you wipe everything before you flash (I'd recommend Calkulin's format all zip)
2) Let ROMs and their respective kernels "settle into your phone." This usually takes 2-3 days.
3) Pick ROMs that don't emphasize speed/power (CM) as much and more on user experience (Myn's)
4) Check my sig if none of these help (however they should )
You may also want to check and see if you are on the newest pri 1.90 if so you can try flashing back to pri1.77 this has helped some people with the 100% wake issue. Then I would suggest another kernel possibly. Good luck.
Oh and +1 for mikfroyo!
mikfroyo seems to be the way to go... someone told me that the battery life would be junk for a few days but i wasn't sure.. i was more worried about the awake time and the up time being the same, meaning something was keeping my battery on.
I like the sense, in fact i'd love to try the new sense for the htc desire on it to see how it is.. looks amazing.
bloatware and what not i can do without
i dont have 4g in my area
i'd like to have both cameras working(i use them alot with my daughter)
mostly its a weather/texting machine.. sound like i got the wrong phone lol.. but i love the advantages of it.
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I recently ventured into flashing my evo and it was quite easy to root, and return to stock. thank you guys for all of the information posted or else i wouldnt have been able to do it..
My questions are about roms.. Which Rom is the best to use for performance and battery conservation..
So far I love HTC sense, but i'd like more battery and less lag out of it.
Rom's I have tried are:
Cynagen 6
Fresh 3.5
and another i can't remember the name but it was based off of android 2.1
All of these roms ATE my battery.. within an hour-hour and a half I was down to nothing, and It sat in my pocket the whole time, after running quadrant.
I did however notice, my phone would never go to sleep on either rom, not sure if i messed up with rooting it or not.
Any suggestions on what rom to use? I don't want to wait two years for the new sense ui and am curious about gingerbread.
The rom im looking into as of now is CM7-EX.v9, Mixed replies for problems/no problems in that thread though.
As i have said I am new to this, new to linux, etc.. any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.. thank you and thanks or all of the great things on this forum.
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i really like KINGSrom Ultra v5.0 also get the 4.3.2 the nosbc,nohavs,nouv version
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=719763
Not a diss to the developers, but with my last phones all the roms felt like they were put together by a teenager. Always got force closes, freezing, and caused other problems like bad reception, wifi wouldn't connect, etc.
I love the way some of these roms on the incredible look, but my main concern is reliability. I haven't had one single force close on my stock phone.
So, is it worth it? If so, which rom seems to be the most reliable?
There's lots of stable ROMs out there. If you like the stock look and feel then try out virtuous. It's basically stock without the bloat and from what I hear its very stable.
What about this one? I love the way it looks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=815103
That one's good lllboredlll updates all the time and is very helpful. He likes stability over performance.Great mods too!
Try 1.2 been using for a while
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Just check for a buglist which is usually either in the first or second post. That'll tell you what's wrong with the ROM. But as long as its not an alpha or beta build it would be alright
Sent from my Droid Incredible running Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS5.3.
Definitely worth it
Just be sure to make a full backup before you flash any new ROM's as I'm sure you know.
The incredible has a lot of talented developers here, so if you take the time to look through the ROM's you'll find more than a few excellent choices.
IncROM is a nice ROM for speed and it's quite stable.
Another highly recommended ROM is Sky Raider 3.5, I've been running it for a couple of months with no force closes or issues of any kind.
I enjoy it because of the stability, speed and battery life I get out of it.
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Something you should also think about flashing is a custom kernel. They can greatly impact your speed and battery life in a good way, many times they have a bigger impact than a custom ROM in those categories.
Just stuff to think about, be sure to do your research before flashing. Read through the thread thoroughly so you won't run into any problem.
If you want something different than stock, check out CM7 RC1, it's really nice. I did skyraider, virtuous...etc. While they are nice, I discovered it's more fun to try different AOSP roms.
I'm a huge fan of Incredibly Re-engineered. It's like stock Incredible on a steroid-PCP cocktail. Super fast, very slick looking and very stable. The only issue I have with it is an MMS issue, and as far as I understand it's uncommon. If you want to keep HTC Sense on your phone, this ROM has my vote.
like has been mentioned previously, Skyraider's ROMS are great as well as Re-Engineered.
just make sure you have the latest HBOOT and CWM. i always wipe the phone and cache just to be sure there are no conflicts. lots of force closes if that doesnt happen.
have fun
I was asking myself the same thing a couple days ago. I had been running incredibly reengineered for a few weeks and decided to go back to stock. That only lasted about half a day as I had forgotten about all the bloat in the stock build. So now I'm back on inc re eng and very happy with it.
I want to try out the AOSP roms sometime but I really like HTC sense!
Totally worth it. Many of the ROMs for the dinc are very polished and stable.
I'll add my vote for IncRom - can't stay away from it. Zero bugs, beautiful interface and a very responsive and generous developer.
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I was asking myself the same thing a couple days ago. I had been running incredibly reengineered for a few weeks and decided to go back to stock. That only lasted about half a day as I had forgotten about all the bloat in the stock build. So now I'm back on inc re eng and very happy with it.
I want to try out the AOSP roms sometime but I really like HTC sense!
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I use CM7 with ADW EX and I don't miss Sense at all. I personally think it's much better than sense. I know a lot also use Launcher Pro with CM7.
SR 3.5 is the best thing to ever happen to my Inc. Fully customizable, power toggles in drop down drawer, completely stable, everything works. If ur looking for a sense based rom look no further.
MIUI... all the way... stable and Great themes!!!
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I'm new and I use cyan the stable but as I've done more reading and gotten better I load the nightly's now and wow its like a new phone
Flashed the incROM and SR 3.5 over the past few days.
incROM was more laggy than stock and kept getting force closes.
SR 3.5 messed with my reception (bars would just between 0 and 2-3 constantly, even sitting in one spot).
Yep, I'm staying stock. Now I know why I stopped flashing roms on my previous phones. Sure, the cool extras are neat, but not worth it because of the problems IMO
And yes, I did wipe of data/cache/dalvik/etc
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I'm a huge fan of Incredibly Re-engineered. It's like stock Incredible on a steroid-PCP cocktail. Super fast, very slick looking and very stable. The only issue I have with it is an MMS issue, and as far as I understand it's uncommon. If you want to keep HTC Sense on your phone, this ROM has my vote.
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Same here with re-engineered!
DINC
Re-Engineered 2.3.2(desensed)
Heyitslou #8
I started using custom roms the day I rooted my Dinc (sometime last August). Best. Decision. Ever.
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Flashed the incROM and SR 3.5 over the past few days.
incROM was more laggy than stock and kept getting force closes.
SR 3.5 messed with my reception (bars would just between 0 and 2-3 constantly, even sitting in one spot).
Yep, I'm staying stock. Now I know why I stopped flashing roms on my previous phones. Sure, the cool extras are neat, but not worth it because of the problems IMO
And yes, I did wipe of data/cache/dalvik/etc
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Wow...what are u talking about either your phone is messed up or youre not giving the roms enough time to load. Theres no way the stock htc rom is faster. The "bars" you see for reception dont exactly mean that your reception is changing...mine did it on the stock rom too mind you
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Are you wiping properly incrom is way betr than stock! Fix permissions fixes almost all fc's
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Hello peoples, Im looking for new ROM. One that has great batt life, one that will always get sms and mms. Any suggestions? I like sense ROM's and all the goodies that come with them. Also one that I can add my own touch to.
Stickies exist for a reason
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701245
Yea I know stickes are there, but I want some first hand advice. Not something that was put together over time.
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Yea I know stickes are there, but I want some first hand advice. Not something that was put together over time.
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In that case, the search feature exists for a reason.
**LINK**
Edit: By the way, nobody can tell you what ROM is the best. There are a plethora of ROMs out there. Half the fun of having a rooted phone is to get flash happy with various ROMs. You need to try out different ROM/kernel combinations and find which one has the features you want with the performance and battery sustainability you need. My setup works amazingly well for me. But I've seen people who have the exact same setup and have crap battery life, bugs in their system, or just don't like the UI. It's all user preference. Get flash happy until you find one that works best for you and your style.
for sure mikg 2.58 seneless. i use the no lock version. its legit. beast battery better than aosp and fast. using agressive freedom kernel. everything works.
The new FreshEvo 4.3.1 with the standard Freedom kernel has been giving my two Evo's over 12 hours with heavy usage. It runs smooth as "buddah"...
But it is a personal choice. Fresh is a Sense ROM, which may or may not be to your taste.
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for sure mikg 2.58 seneless. i use the no lock version. its legit. beast battery better than aosp and fast. using agressive freedom kernel. everything works.
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Really? I love my miui setup. It gets a full day from wake up to time I go to bed. I always thought aosp had better battery than sense. I might give Mikg a shot.
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Hello peoples, Im looking for new ROM. One that has great batt life, one that will always get sms and mms. Any suggestions? I like sense ROM's and all the goodies that come with them. Also one that I can add my own touch to.
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I run synergy with the carousel mod. has great battery life on my hardware and is the best when it comes to getting text/mms on time. I have tried almost every sense rom that has come out in the past 4 months and keep going back to synergy.
The Blazing Roms team working on FEARDEme and Hybrid really have something sweet going. Granted, they're still in late beta, but if you follow their thread and their site, they really have some great stuff.
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The Blazing Roms team working on FEARDEme and Hybrid really have something sweet going. Granted, they're still in late beta, but if you follow their thread and their site, they really have some great stuff.
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I agree that they are great stuff, I used FEARmede for a while and would still be on it, i just couldnt go without my 4g. If 4g is not a big deal for you then by all means take some of team blazes roms for a ride. Make sure to read the features on all of them, they differ a little from each other.
link to their forum
http://blazing-roms.com/forumdisplay.php/4-EVO-4G
Thank you all for the input and not telling me to search a sticky or that there is this or that for a "reason". You think I havent tried all sorts of ROMs/kernals? I cant tell you how many times I flashed a new ROM/kernal. I was hooked on flashing for a while, damn near had to go to rehab for that shyt. Yes, I know, every phone is different, but I just wanted some first hand advice from my fellow XDA'ers. I really apprecaite the feed back with the replies I got. So thank you all again. Time to get flash happy, woohooo!!!!
try the evo classic v0.0.3 by tommytomatoe one sweet Rom fast as a jackrabbit with a firecracker up his ass and I stay with about 225 RAM with my 7 homesreens full of widgets. and my battery lasts all day I can get 13 or so hrs of screen on time on my 3500 and about 6 or 7 on the stock battery and that's straight screen on almost the entire time cuz I never put my phone down. when I'm not on it all day my 3500 will go 12 plus hrs and be around 75% or so with moderate use but usually I overheat and bootloop b4 my battery dies from playing modern warfare 2 all damn day.