When will Windows phone 7 hit it's million mile mark?Based on some of my guestumates I believe that Windows phone 7 will hit a million units in 4 months. Thats not to snazzy. It appears to me that growth is about 41,666 units per week. Don't go bashing me now this is just a guess.
In a week the facebook page grew by 25,000 and I would think 2/3 of people use this integrated app so
214,000 right now
356,000 right now is my estimate. ((214,000*2/3)+214,000)
41,666 growth potential per week
soooooo
1000000-356,000=644000 to go
644,000/41,666=15.45 or 15 and 1/2 weeks
15.5/4.33 3.57 months + 1 monthish = 4 1/2 months.
Now here is where my math gets hard.
1 provider will sell about 400000 units in about 2 months
so when it hits all 3 it should reach that mark by February.
I believe it will hit 1000000 units in month 4
Now It's your turn when will it hit the 1 million mark.
What I saw somewhere it took the driod about 2 months and the iphone about 6 weeks
the sooner the better
It took Apple 74 days just shy of 3 months.
My guess is 3 months (probably a little less).
i don't know where it is now, but I'd bet once Verizon picks it up, and TMo gets more than 1 phone they can sell in the stores...it will boom.
9 phones, worldwide. My guess it should have been happened.
Should have happened a month ago. Even the Palm Pre (in one country) sold faster than those 9 WP7 phones combined (in many countries).
3 Months...
having multiple handsets on market doesn't cause the market to scale more. Just more options for consumers in that market.
I think having Verizon and sprint next year will shoot the scales up a lot.. Att is freaking expensive no matter how you spin it.
Later is harder
Not many will be breaking contracts for these phones given the competition - something apple didn't face. It will take time.
Shouldn't take this long for 9 phones to total 1 million in sales, especially worldwide.
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Should have happened a month ago. Even the Palm Pre (in one country) sold faster than those 9 WP7 phones combined (in many countries).
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How many units did the pre sell in one country and how many units of the windows phone have sold, I assume you have these figures and aren't just trolling?
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How many units did the pre sell in one country and how many units of the windows phone have sold, I assume you have these figures and aren't just trolling?
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no, he's pretty much trolling. Even though he says he has a galaxy s device, 90% of his posts are in this forum.
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no, he's pretty much trolling. Even though he says he has a galaxy s device, 90% of his posts are in this forum.
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Great post! Personally I have him and quite a few other "interested" parties on my ignore list, makes for a much more enjoyable forum read (apart from when they get quoted). Quick tip, just click on the person's forum name, go to public profile, go to user lists and add to ignore list and add away!
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Great post! Personally I have him and quite a few other "interested" parties on my ignore list, makes for a much more enjoyable forum read (apart from when they get quoted). Quick tip, just click on the person's forum name, go to public profile, go to user lists and add to ignore list and add away!
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I have a few users on my ignore list, all added since I got my hd7 and the wp7 bashing began on this site.
My guess is it will hit it just before the second update (rumoured) February update.
a thread like this just got closed... how long will it take for this to as well i wonder...
It must have already sold a million I would guess as it was released in many countries...the Samsung and HD7 were sold out in many European countries for sometime...
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The Pre sold 300,000 in its first month, in the US.
WP7 sold less than a million so far (400-700,000), so we're looking at 200-500,000 in its first month. Measured against overall smartphone sales (2010 vs. 2009) that's a lot less than the Pre.
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The Pre sold 300,000 in its first month, in the US.
WP7 sold less than a million so far (400-700,000), so we're looking at 200-500,000 in its first month. Measured against overall smartphone sales (2010 vs. 2009) that's a lot less than the Pre.
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where are people getting their numbers ? (this isn't a flame) the difference between 200 and 500,000 or 400-700,000 is quite a hump !
if i see someone with a wp7 phone, i'll definitely remember it.
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The Pre sold 300,000 in its first month, in the US.
WP7 sold less than a million so far (400-700,000), so we're looking at 200-500,000 in its first month. Measured against overall smartphone sales (2010 vs. 2009) that's a lot less than the Pre.
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The pre only sold 486,000 units in the first quarter?
In less than 2 months WP has half that amount of people using facebook applications each day - never mind units sold.
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On September 17, 2009, Palm had a conference call with investors and disclosed that they had shipped 823,000 Palm devices last quarter. Out of those 823,000 units sold, roughly 486,000 were the new Palm Pre.
http://www.spyphoneguy.com/2009/09/19/palm-pre-spy-phone-software-where-to-buy
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The Pre sold 300,000 in its first month, in the US.
WP7 sold less than a million so far (400-700,000), so we're looking at 200-500,000 in its first month. Measured against overall smartphone sales (2010 vs. 2009) that's a lot less than the Pre.
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Did you ever read what you wrote?
If 200,000 to 500,000 sold in the first month then it either matched or far exceeded Pre's initial months sales. (hint 500,000 is more than 300,000)
Ignoring the fact that your numbers are ROMA data.
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the g1 showed up less than a month after launch, iphones the day after, palm pres in a week or so.... but where are the wp7 phones ?
I figured a cracked screen or otherwise damaged device would pop up for $50 and id get it to play with, but wp7 is a no show. are you seeing them in your local ?
I saw one in Hartford, CT $325. I bought my htc surround new for $0.01 (yes, with 2 yr. contract and data plan).
A lot less people bought them, so a lot less people are selling them.
Blackberries aren't that common here, either, for the same reason. Unless business mandates it, not too many people are buying them.
There are tons of iPhones and Androids listed, though.
Mine sold in about a week, I got multiple inquiries kicking myself for selling it too low. I didn't think there was going to be any demand for it.
they're not on craigslist because everyone likes it and wants to keep them!
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A lot less people bought them, so a lot less people are selling them.
Blackberries aren't that common here, either, for the same reason. Unless business mandates it, not too many people are buying them.
There are tons of iPhones and Androids listed, though.
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yeppers, i have iphones, 3, 3gs, 4, like mad... and android devices everywhere for cheap. i figured if i saw any wp7 devices they would be high, but heck there aren't any. blackberrys are still prevelant here too.
the one and only ad for a wp7 device was an african scam, so i guess -they- know about them ;-)
All the wp7 devices I Am seeing are 300+. Mostly resellers. Found one hd7 with cracked screen, guy wanted 150.00 for it. Offered 100, but he managed to get 150.
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a few in chicago not many focuses surprisingly
hd7s yes
no lgs
no dvps either32
In my area from the time of release.I have only one and that is the Samsung focus.
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Fed up with all the negative posts. I saw the ASUS Transformer forums do the same in the early days of release.
1) I think my Nexus is great - I used to have a Desire. Now I have a phone that I think is MUCH better.
2) Im very happy for anyone who feels their phone is better but will have much more respect for those who compare based on hands on experience. However why KEEP posting on a Nexus forum why you think your phone is better ? Post how great your phone is on its own forum.
3) Im fully aware that there are some bugs. Most of these will be fixed by software updates. Its part of the 'fun' of being an early adopter.
4) Threads about hardware problems are fine and very useful. I havent experienced any myself (yet) and hopefully Samsung will fix/recall/exchange.
5) I know the camera is limited and 'only' 5mp. thats fine. i use my phone for point and shoot. Im old enough to remember the first digital cameras. This camera does me fine.
Regards,
Happy Nexus Owner
(are there any others out there ?)
p.s. I love my Transformer too.
I don't have one yet, but I'm planning on picking one up soon. New devices always bring out the loud-mouth whiners who apparently spend 8+ hours on the board complaining every day. I've got a job...
Anyway, the device looks great. I'm really excited. It will be my first Nexus device (although my wife did have the Nexus S, and I run CM7 on my EVO 4G). It will also be my first GSM device - I'm in the US and switching from Sprint to AT&T. I plan on picking up a European unlocked unit. Sprint's network has gotten really terrible lately. Can't wait for the new toy!
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I don't have one yet, but I'm planning on picking one up soon. New devices always bring out the loud-mouth whiners who apparently spend 8+ hours on the board complaining every day. I've got a job...
Anyway, the device looks great. I'm really excited. It will be my first Nexus device (although my wife did have the Nexus S, and I run CM7 on my EVO 4G). It will also be my first GSM device - I'm in the US and switching from Sprint to AT&T. I plan on picking up a European unlocked unit. Sprint's network has gotten really terrible lately. Can't wait for the new toy!
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im sure you will love it
how about we start posting some good things about the nexus and ics.
Taking the basics for granted i found today all the app/data stats.
Data Usage - then click on an app.... lovely pie charts and fun stuff ! nice touch
Nice to see a positive post for a change, looking forward to getting my nexus.
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I don't have one yet, but I'm planning on picking one up soon. New devices always bring out the loud-mouth whiners who apparently spend 8+ hours on the board complaining every day. I've got a job...
Anyway, the device looks great. I'm really excited. It will be my first Nexus device (although my wife did have the Nexus S, and I run CM7 on my EVO 4G). It will also be my first GSM device - I'm in the US and switching from Sprint to AT&T. I plan on picking up a European unlocked unit. Sprint's network has gotten really terrible lately. Can't wait for the new toy!
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Where are you ordering yours from? I'm also on AT&T and looking to buy an unlocked gsm version from the UK. I've found: https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-i9250-google-galaxy-nexus-black-unlocked.html and http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...xus-16gb--sim-free-unlocked--titanium-silver-
Handtec appears to be cheaper (after converting), but they aren't including the VAT charge in the price... so it may end up being more expensive.
other than the volume / 900MHz interference issue, I am really happy with this phone. It's just a shame that this issue is tainting the experience for me.
I love the screen, it's easily the best screen I've had on a mobile phone, Android 4.0 is great, along with all the updated Google Apps.
Google+ still cannot do notifications properly though...Google need to sort that one out!
But I am happy with the phone (albeit for the 900MHz problem)
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Handtec appears to be cheaper (after converting), but they aren't including the VAT charge in the price... so it may end up being more expensive.
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VAT doesn't apply if you are shipping to the US. Ordered mine from there for AT&T and it was about $700 or so after shipping
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Where are you ordering yours from? I'm also on AT&T and looking to buy an unlocked gsm version from the UK. I've found: https://negrielectronics.com/samsung-i9250-google-galaxy-nexus-black-unlocked.html and http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...xus-16gb--sim-free-unlocked--titanium-silver-
Handtec appears to be cheaper (after converting), but they aren't including the VAT charge in the price... so it may end up being more expensive.
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You don't pay VAT when you import to the US. Negri is just seriously more expensive for some reason (most of their devices are more expensive).
Clove and Handtec both have phones (and all indications are they're reputable). I believe Handtec is holding shipments because they're aware of the volume bug. Check out the specific threads for the Clove and Handtec orders. Lots of info in there.
just posted a thread on the accessories about a great cheap case/cover ... order it in advance to keep your new purchase shiny
Next thing I like about my Nexus .... speed to pick up GPS !!! Ive even had some degree of luck sat in my office where it must be getting some info through a distant window
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You don't pay VAT when you import to the US. Negri is just seriously more expensive for some reason (most of their devices are more expensive).
Clove and Handtec both have phones (and all indications are they're reputable). I believe Handtec is holding shipments because they're aware of the volume bug. Check out the specific threads for the Clove and Handtec orders. Lots of info in there.
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Good to know on the VAT charge... I guess I'll be ordering from Handtec, or possibly Clove.
One thing I am loving is in the developers section you can change the animation speeds. Gives a great different feel to the phone.
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Fed up with all the negative posts...
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Believe it or not they're helpful. Yes, some lack detail and could be considered petty, repetitive or both, but I'm a big boy and can sift through banal chatter to glean some good comparitive information. And while everyone knows what the specs are in advance, actual comments on real-world performance are helpful. For example, I could give two craps about 5 vs. 8 megapixels in the camera but I do want to know how well it takes pictures and videos. And to say "you knew it was 5 megapixels before you bought it" every time someone posts their camera experience is a stupid and biased comment. If the forum were limited to nothing but happy posts it would simply be a club for fanboys.
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Believe it or not they're helpful. Yes, some lack detail and could be considered petty, repetitive or both, but I'm a big boy and can sift through banal chatter to glean some good comparitive information. And while everyone knows what the specs are in advance, actual comments on real-world performance are helpful. For example, I could give two craps about 5 vs. 8 megapixels in the camera but I do want to know how well it takes pictures and videos. And to say "you knew it was 5 megapixels before you bought it" every time someone posts their camera experience is a stupid and biased comment. If the forum were limited to nothing but happy posts it would simply be a club for fanboys.
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erm.... i think you missed my point.....
I have no problem with negative posts. But .... if you were coming onto this forum to investigate a phone you would read:
1) Posts about hardware problems (useful)
2) Problems about software faults (useful - but ICS not Nexus)
3) People stating why they think their phone is better (inevitable)
You dont tend to find many posts praising the phone which i dont think provides a fair comparison. You dont get many people starting threads saying 'i have no issues'.
Im quite able to sift through what i do and dont want to read.
This thread was just to state that there are a lot of people (hopefully) who are pleased with their purchase and to state some of the good things about the phone.
Maybe some people investigating the Nexus will be able to see that its not all doom and gloom .... its a great phone
We are living in exciting times, the things these handsets can do we could only dream about just a few years ago. Bug or no bug I just love this device. Great performance, great display, just Android on another level. I trust Samsung will sort these issues out overtime, be it with new software or replacement hardware. In the meantime I'll enjoy my Galaxy Nexus.
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We are living in exciting times, the things these handsets can do we could only dream about just a few years ago. Bug or no bug I just love this device. Great performance, great display, just Android on another level. I trust Samsung will sort these issues out overtime, be it with new software or replacement hardware. In the meantime I'll enjoy my Galaxy Nexus.
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Compared with the analogue Nokia i had 18 years ago things have moved on significantly
I have two bones to pick, one with MS, and one with Carriers:
First, MS promised small intermittent updates, and major updates at least once a year. For the most part they have delivered, in theory. We saw Mango around October of last year. Woohoo, it was great, started to fill the gap, but still left us wanting. We all eagerly anticipated what MS had up its sleeve next.
The same month they release a fitly update, 7.10.7740.16, that didn't really do much of anything, low and behold, ATT never rolled that one out....go figure....
There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79. Luckily this fixed my gmail sync issue, so that was nice. LTE support is a bonus, if you happen to be in one of the few areas ATT has such a service, no luck for me though. Again, ATT didn't bother with this one, so I had to manually push it.
We start finally hearing some details about Tango in March. Come to find out, its really just an MS push into emerging markets, and really won't add anything new except for some additional SMS capabilities. This update starts to roll out in June. If it were up to ATT, i would still be running 7720, a full three versions, and 9 months old. Not with the help of XDA though....
Its not that I really need the updates, again, they don't really do anything, the change log list is either incredibly omissive or simply childish in length. its the principle. You promised me updates, I want them dammit! And I want them now! Preferably with some actual updates....that is....How about MS and Nokia get together and work towards fixing this shoddy camera quality you shipped the Lumia with??? People might actually appreciate that work....
Now to WP8. MS totally screws us with this, as all we are ending up getting is an ugly home screen update....Thanks a lot, my 3 month old Lumia salutes you, as does its infantile ATT 2 year contract. But you stuck with your promise, a major update once a year. Looks like we will be seeing Apollo around when Mango was shipped last year. Guess we can't argue with that logic...
Could be worse I suppose. I could have an Android device with a 9 month and standing promise to update to ICS.....o that's right....that's exactly what I have with ATT.....bah humbug....except ATT hasn't actually promised any updates at all, and customers will probably never see Tango. At least we can look on the bright side, the updates don't actually do anything anyway, so no harm no foul, right?
Anyway, in a total of the 9 months since MS officially released Mango, we have gotten 3 quasi-widely pushed updates, so long as you are not an ATT customer that is (ok MS seems to be doing what they promised), however, in said time, the only real additions were two bug fixes and some SMS bull. 9 months in the making.....really??? Granted they must be spending a lot of resources on WP8, and its great that they are developing the platform and pushing it further, but how does that help me???? Absolutely in no way shape or form.
For comparison (and simply that) ICS was released right along with Mango, and they have rolled out three updates (unlike MS these actually did things and improved the OS substantially), and are now on a major refresh after 9 months, Jelly Bean. My comparison ends there.....
And what about the Carriers??? I took me a total of 10 minutes a piece to deliver myself each of the updates we have gotten our hands on here. WTF are the carriers doing with my money??? Surely not expanding its LTE network, and surely not building new towers so I can actually get a bar or two at work....god forbid...
Androids Carrier/OEM problem is probably even worse than what I have seen from ATT and MS, and Apples updates seems to break more than they fix, but I really feel like MS has kicked us to the curb not only with promised updates, but also with the WP8 announcement.
/end rant
I will stick with MS, and will probably use my wife's upgrade to deliver me a WP8 phone late this year, simply because there is no better options. What OEMs do to Android should be a crime, and I cant bring myself to support the tyrant that is Apple, nor jump on its fanboy bandwagon. WP is truly a superior product, even if it still lacks a few bells and whistles. Anyone who actually cares about their experience cannot deny that.
But seriously MS, you are letting us down. Its because of people like me that this thing is still afloat, and you are treating me like a red headed step child. Get with it already!
If you are still with me, thanks for reading, hope to see any thoughtful comments offered.
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There was a massive keyboard disappearing bug (which I never experienced thank god), that it took them 3 months to fix with 7.10.8107.79.
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Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.
karan1203 said:
Lucky you.
First gen here. I experience that bug every day and MSFT/AT&T still haven't pushed the update for it.
Still on 7720.
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More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.
At&t is supposedly starting to roll out Tango on some of their Windows Phones.
As far as you just getting your Lumia goes, I wish Nokia and/or Microsoft would implement some trade-up program. That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.
I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
Guess AT&T did not get or agree with that memo...
The way I see it blame falls on the AT&T death star.
More like AT&T rather than MS, I've had 8107 on my TMOUS HD7 since like February.
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yes ATT has been horrible, but what can one do that really matters? Verizon I have heard hasn't been much better - they are used to A. Apple pushing its own updates, and letting them have their way, and B. not giving a **** about Android updates, because it takes OEMS 9 months to "refresh" their skins.
That way everybody (users and developers) can get onto 8 almost right away while eliminating the complaining and uncertainty that now exists.
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Nokia lost and arm and a leg giving away the Lumia for $100, and then for free, not so sure they could survive another such Apocalypse only a few months later.
I thought M/$ said carriers could not skip more than 1 update....
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if that is the case, there was probably verbiage in there delineating the option to only major rehashes - but seriously, the Carriers have nothing to do, just push it?!?!?!
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Do you have to use the word "end" if you're already using a forward slash to close the "rant" tag? Just wondering
no clue, I am a biochemist, not a computer programmer
The AT&T death star has already gotten the $$ from the sale of the phones. Updates do not create income so it is low on the radar. Besides death stars only want to deal with planets.
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well they didn't make **** off my phone sale, now aside from that stupid contract price I pay every month....
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Done
Lol it's a waste of time...HTC rushed Android 8 just to get it out there and it sucks. They won't update any further sad to say.
It's pointless
We will never see something like this
I agree, it's totally pointless - they'll never do it, but I'll sign it anyway.
I did it too! I hope for the best, but even if we get to 100, isn't it not enough?
They have no reason to upgrade a 2-year-old flagship phone to Pie, no matter how many signatures you get. 2 years is all you get. Why would you invest all the dev resources into upgrading a phone that is no longer manufactured, and will provide absolutely zero return on investment? As a business owner, I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
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They have no reason to upgrade a 2-year-old flagship phone to Pie, no matter how many signatures you get. 2 years is all you get. Why would you invest all the dev resources into upgrading a phone that is no longer manufactured, and will provide absolutely zero return on investment? As a business owner, I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
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We have come to a point that a device which cost around 600 euros (!!!) has a lifespan of 2 years and this is considered OK... Think about that for a moment. It's not anyone's fault, but peoples' who always buy the newest no matter how much it costs.
But damn, even Apple launches a new iPhone every year and they support the devices with updates for 4+ years. So business-wise, there is no excuse why Android manufacturers shouldn't do it as well. The problem is that it costs way more to upgrade an Android device, plus there are many parties who need to upgrade the software for their parts.
@errikosd yeah it sucks but that's the way it goes, unfortunately ... Planned obsolescence is a horrible business practice that even Apple did, by dumbing down the processor speed and battery capacities. Until they were caught that is ...
Signed. But not sure if it will go anywhere. In my books, HTC 10 remains the best phone of its time.
No hope guys.
https://twitter.com/htc/status/1028000627794706432
After Samsung announced yesterday that the entire S21 (last year!) and S22 lineup will receive 4 (!) major OS updates, this article popped up on 9to5.
(just for recapitulation and to bring you up to speed in case you are not aware: The "new" Pixel 6 will only receive 3 major OS updates)
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have the same expectation. All these years we had these "Qualcomm only gives 3 years support" - excuses, why Google wasn't - supposedly - able to offer more than 3 years of OS updates with the Pixel phones. That is, as we now know - since Samsung does support a Qualcomm chip for more than 3 years - just a petty excuse.
And now? Now that Google has its own chipset?
Still not more. Now the reason is clear: Greed. Google doesn't want to spend more money than absolutely necessary. That is a shame. The Pixel community deserves better.
If Google wants to take this adventure serious, 5 years of OS updates should be the minimum.
Comment: Google has no excuses left for limiting the Pixel 6 to just three Android updates
The moment Samsung officially expanded its update policy to deliver four major Android updates, Google's Pixel 6 policy stopped being enough.
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Morgrain said:
After Samsung announced yesterday that the entire S21 (last year!) and S22 lineup will receive 4 (!) major OS updates, this article popped up on 9to5.
What do you guys think?
Personally, I have the same expectation. All these years we had these "Qualcomm only gives 3 years support" - excuses, why Google wasn't - supposedly - able to offer more than 3 years of OS updates with the Pixel phones. That is, as we now know - since Samsung does support a Qualcomm chip for more than 3 years - just a petty excuse.
And now? Now that Google has its own chipset?
Still not more. Now the reason is clear: Greed. Google doesn't want to spend more money than absolutely necessary. That is a shame. The Pixel community deserves better.
If Google wants to take this adventure serious, 5 years of OS updates should be the minimum.
Comment: Google has no excuses left for limiting the Pixel 6 to just three Android updates
The moment Samsung officially expanded its update policy to deliver four major Android updates, Google's Pixel 6 policy stopped being enough.
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I'm pretty sure Google is offering 5 years of upgrades on the Pixel 6 phones.
At least security patches anyway.
bouchigo said:
I'm pretty sure Google is offering 5 years of upgrades on the Pixel 6 phones.
At least security patches anyway.
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Yes, they promised 5 years of security patches, but we are talking about OS upgrades only. Thus getting Android 13, 14 and 15 is guaranteed, but we would like a version or two more.
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Yes, they promised 5 years of security patches, but we are talking about OS upgrades only. Thus getting Android 13, 14 and 15 is guaranteed, but we would like a version or two more.
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I should have read the article, but it's too long... Just skimmed through it just now.
I could see how it would be beneficial to those keeping their phones that long, but I keep my phone's max. 2 years.
bouchigo said:
I should have read the article, but it's too long... Just skimmed through it just now.
I could see how it would be beneficial to those keeping their phones that long, but I keep my phone's max. 2 years.
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It's also beneficial for YOU when you want to sell your phone, since it will still be a top up to date device, that's also a reason why used IPhones have high prices - even old models still get OS updates.
There is no reason whatsoever NOT to want long OS updates as a user, since that is beneficial in every way.
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It's also beneficial for YOU when you want to sell your phone, since it will still be a top up to date device, that's also the reason why used IPhones have high prices - even old models still get OS updates.
There is no reason whatsoever NOT to want long OS updates as a user, since that is beneficial in every way.
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This will likely be a hand-me-down phone. The 5 years of security patches should be good enough in my use case.
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This will likely be a hand-me-down phone. The 5 years of security patches should be good enough in my use case.
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Which means that the person that will get your phone for free will still have a top up to date device for years to come. The phones value will still remain high and ensures that the person that you will hand your phone down to will have more fun AND will be able to fetch a higher price later on, since that "downhanded" phone will at some point probably be sold by that next person. Having a phone with 5 years (or more) of OS updates is beneficial in every way, to every person along the line that should ever use a phone.
How can you not see the glory of several years of OS updates? It doesn't cost you anything, but it makes a product so much better. Security updates alone mean very little. Running years behind new features and capabilities is detrimental to a user experience. Especially since major OS updates offer massive updates in Kernels and drivers and often offer completely new tech (just think about codecs like LDAC which were introduced with an OS update), something that security updates do not deliver.
I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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It depends on the hardware power. My Pixel 2 XL with a Snapdragon 835 (4 1/2 years old) is still running smooth and without problem. Nowadays processors have become very strong. And in the rare case that a device should slow down a bit, in 90% of the cases that can be solved with a factory reset.
Just think about that example - my Pixel 2 XL is still running strong. The only things that made me update? Battery and OS updates.
Of course, Google wants that. That is why they don't want more OS updates. Having an EoL phone means users will probably update. What Google doesn't see is that this destroys the used market, just look at IPhones. Their value remains ridiculously high after several years, since people don't need to care about the hardware - they will all have the same, modern software experience. And Pixels?
Oh dear. A Pixel 3 can maybe fetch 80 bucks. A Pixel 2? Less. They have basically lost their entire worth.
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I'm sure Big G will cave to the pressure on the 7 and offer 5 years of OS updates. Or they could change their mind and offer it on the 6's. But just because Samsung is offering OS updates for 5 years, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea. How will the user experience be after 2-3 years? I have my old Nexus 6 laying around and Nexus 6p and I can tell you it's not really the greatest experience on their latest versions. Apps take quite some time to load, there's plenty of jank, and it's no longer a fluid experience. Granted, hardware has gotten a lot stronger, but eventually the newer OS versions will bog down the dated hardware and the user experience will decline. I would think those users would rather go for a budget line and upgrade every 2 years for a reasoanble experience and expense. Budget phones have gotten a lot better and it's insane what some of them offer you for $300-$400+~.
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I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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I doubt it a bit.
Google has gotten stingy in the most recent years.
They took away Google Photos unlimited storage.
They took away Pixels unlimited upload.
They now force people to swallow several ads before EVERY Youtube video, an obvious attempt to push Youtube Premium subscriptions (Vanced for life).
They took away several GCam features and locked it behind Google One.
Google One itself is a good example, since Google is pushing their "pay us if you want something" hard.
Once, Google offered most its services for free and kept itself floating through ads revenue.
Now? They want BOTH monthly subscriptions AND ads revenue. They went greedy. Maybe they will cave in under the pressure... but that would require GREAT pressure. That would require that even the self-centered ones that do not see the immediate benefit to themselves ("I only use my phone for 2 years, why should I care") begin to voice such a claim.
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It depends on the hardware power. My Pixel 2 XL with a Snapdragon 835 (4 1/2 years old) is still running smooth and without problem. Nowadays processors have become very strong. And in the rare case that a device should slow down a bit, in 90% of the cases that can be solved with a factory reset.
Just think about that example - my Pixel 2 XL is still running strong. The only things that made me update? Battery and OS updates.
Of course, Google wants that. That is why they don't want more OS updates. Having an EoL phone means users will probably update. What Google doesn't see is that this destroys the used market, just look at IPhones. Their value remains ridiculously high after several years, since people don't need to care about the hardware - they will all have the same, modern software experience. And Pixels?
Oh dear. A Pixel 3 can maybe fetch 80 bucks. A Pixel 2? Less. They have basically lost their entire worth.
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That's good to know that the older hardware is now holding it's own compared to the devices that I listed. I haven't kept any of my older pixels as I passed them on or traded them in. I'm all for devices having a longer shelf life to keep them out of landfills and reduce electronic waste. That definitely is one of the factors why iPhones retain more value. But the Pixels will need more than the 5 year OS update guarantee to retain value like iPhones do.
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I hope Google gonna fold and give the 6 users also 5 or at least 4 OS updates. I think in the next years this might change or they'll just do it without announcing. Who knows what Project Mainline will bring us.
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Indeed, would be great for those that plan on keeping the devices for longer than two years.
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That definitely is one of the factors why iPhones retain more value. But the Pixels will need more than the 5 year OS update guarantee to retain value like iPhones do.
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I appreciate iphone but I don't think longevity of updates is why they keep their value, at least not a big part of it. I think the building of the brand into something synonymous with luxury is what got it it's staying power when it comes to retaining cost.
Better customer support is also a huge factor.
But android as an ecosystem needs more than multiple years of updates to get to that point.
If anything the hugest element is the fact that there isn't a physical building I can go to with people trained to know my device in and out. Apple has that, the apple store itself is an experience. While we scrounge on message boards and get first lvl call center techs telling me to reboot my phone while they diddle on their iphone.
There is a store out there my grandma can just walk into and hand her phone off to someone that actually knows about that device.
I don't get why people still demand something more. You knew what you were buying before you bought it. Why to demand something more now?
I mean why
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I don't get why people still demand something more. You knew what you were buying before you bought it. Why to demand something more now?
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I mean why not. You want customers, you provide incentives for people to choose your product over another. It's not like it's hurting anyone to expect a company to stay competitive.
I see nothing wrong with consumers leveraging purchase power. And it's not like retroactively increasing the support lifetime is unheard of.
Who gives a squat about OS updates when they can't even get 12 right?
You almost need a minor in Entomology to keep track of the bugs. Their engineers might learn something if they followed critical path analysis of the possible effects undetected software errors may have and accept those with little impact and not let errors pass that could brick a phone. Similar to the best practices aviation engineers follow to certify aircraft software per DO-178C.
Offering as long term software support as possible is of course a good thing but think about the battery. As currently there are no phones from top class with easily changeable battery do you think that after 3 years or more this phone will be usable if you charge it every day (which most users do)? My previous experience shows that i never kept phone for more than 3 years and on average i buy new one after just 2 years.
There is also one more thing to consider and it is when you will receive the promised updates. Google always releases the new android early (around october) and for all devices simultaneously. Other manufacturers usually update their current flagship relatively fast before the end of year but the other models can get it even as late as spring or summer of next year.
Of course if google could provide 5 years of major android upgrades this would be great but the current policy of 3 major upgrades plus 2 more years of security updates is something with which i was aware when i bought the phone and is good enough for me personally.
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Which means that the person that will get your phone for free will still have a top up to date device for years to come. The phones value will still remain high and ensures that the person that you will hand your phone down to will have more fun AND will be able to fetch a higher price later on, since that "downhanded" phone will at some point probably be sold by that next person. Having a phone with 5 years (or more) of OS updates is beneficial in every way, to every person along the line that should ever use a phone.
How can you not see the glory of several years of OS updates? It doesn't cost you anything, but it makes a product so much better. Security updates alone mean very little. Running years behind new features and capabilities is detrimental to a user experience. Especially since major OS updates offer massive updates in Kernels and drivers and often offer completely new tech (just think about codecs like LDAC which were introduced with an OS update), something that security updates do not deliver.
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I'm only replying to the very first portion of your post, since that is all that really concerns me.
I'm sure the person getting the phone (who will be 7 years old at that point) won't mind. She will just use it to play games and watch YouTube. By the time she is done with it (it will be a 4-5 year old phone) the battery will be trash, and time for a new phone.
Just like I accepted that I see how it could be beneficial to some to have updates/OS upgrades for longer, you should accept that others don't require that, nor should they have to just because you believe it's "necessary".
If later I want updates for a longer period of time, maybe I will switch to Samsung...ah, no I won't And if the value of the phone is less when I go to sell it, or trade it in, then so be it.
I never got people arguing against folks requesting more support or more options.
Especially when the main point of contention is "well I don't need it". A mass produced consumer product fortunely needs to address the needs of a wide range of users. Not just one person that doesn't care because the added support won't benefit them.
It's not hard to not personally need something yet appreciate why someone else might benefit. I've literally never used phone insurance. Doesn't mean I don't understand why someone might want or need it.
As I've made known my opinion in the past, anytime there's a discussion about what Google doesn't do with their Pixels that they conceivably could, I always suspect Samsung strong-arming Google behind the scenes. "You want to use our chips? You want us to make your CPU? You want to buy the screen from us? Here's the list of things we require (besides money), and here is the list of components we're willing to sell you."
Complete speculation on my part, but I don't think it's an unreasonable suspicion. It would certainly answer a lot of questions of "why".