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On The Same Day That We Hear Of DeepFish, The Minimo Project Which Is Hosted By Mozilla Releases An Update. It Can Handle Modern Web Standards Such As Javascript And Ajax Check It Out Here.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
Cheers
Thanks for the headsup. Looks nice. A bit slower to fire up, but the features look pretty good.
the o2 wap site works incorrectly, acts like a download rather than a page.
I may need to configure this a bit more.
Thanks for the tip. Loading from the SD card takes quite a while... I'll try main memory to see what happens.
You serious? I am going to check this out now...
I am surprised, I had been reading the developer's blog and he had pretty much given up on the project saying that he didn't have time to write\update the app and that they were thinking of following another route to keep Firefox\Mozilla presence in the mobile market, but oh well, I am not complaining.
Okay, downloaded and installed -- yes, I am multi-tasking-- nice... nice... much better than the previous version. Still... uh... slow though.
Let me play with it a little more.
Thanks for the tip.
I installed it and it much better than previous verson. I might actually keep it on my 8525.
I would suggest anyone trying it first go to option and disable soft keyboard and also enable cache to storage card.
I have done several javascript testing on some sites which I know almost all mobile browser chokes on it and minimo actually breeze thur it.
It still a tad bit slow but I am impressed how it handled some of the websites now.
After playing with it last night.
I can honestly say that I am disappointed. After hitting a page earlier I decided to try again. I am a huge Firefox fan however this update left a lot to be desired. Yes, it is only Ver. 0.2 so it is far, far away from being finished.
I installed it on the memory card. Not that it should really make a difference since I have Webby and Opera installed there and they run without quibble.
I must have really bad luck since when I enter an address, all I get is another tab of empty white space.
Tried www.google.ca ... nothing.
Tried www.fido.ca ... just another empty tab.
Heck, tried clicking on preferences.... and... nothing. Just another empty tab.
Aside the Homebase tab I was not able to see anything. What happened with this thing???
Opera Mini
Does it also compress the pages like OPERA MINI?
I find that OPERA MINI is a fantastic webbrowser for PDA, due to its very good compression of the actual site..and the build in RSS reader.
And its fast...
Martinhdk said:
Does it also compress the pages like OPERA MINI?
I find that OPERA MINI is a fantastic webbrowser for PDA, due to its very good compression of the actual site..and the build in RSS reader.
And its fast...
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Uh? What are you asking exactly?
Opera Mini does not compress pages at all.
Opera gets its data from a cache servers at Opera's headquarters. Opera Mini by itself compresses nothing.
To answer your question, Minimo is a full fledge browser like Opera or PIE.
I know - but for me that does not matter anything.. I only look at how it works, and how much trafic I have to pay for.
And if Minimo or other Mob Browsers does not use any compression tools - I believe they will generate far to much trafic, to become any serious alternative...
I pay around 1½ Euro for a MB and when roaming - I do not even dare to investigate prices... hehe
But I find it cool to get new browsers and I might use another when on WIFI - perhaps Minimo
I found that Opera Mini, is not the best compared to the full fledge browsers.
However interesting how things change to different people around the world. Over here in Canada, I am one of the few people --as the plan no longer exists-- to pay $50 for unlimited data through HSDPA. So to me the data aspect means nothing and since I tether through my laptop, well, lets just say that just yesterday alone because of my laptop, I used about 250 megs.
I am more about the usability and end user experience.
Too bad Minimo didn't seem to work with WM6.
Perhaps other people on WM6 encounter the same experience?
Seemes to still be almost unusably slow to me. Just pressing the buttons on the bottom seems to take too long. What's worse, copy/pasting URLs from my IM client into the Minimo address bar alone made it crash out at times.
agovinoveritas said:
I found that Opera Mini, is not the best compared to the full fledge browsers.
However interesting how things change to different people around the world. Over here in Canada, I am one of the few people --as the plan no longer exists-- to pay $50 for unlimited data through HSDPA. So to me the data aspect means nothing and since I tether through my laptop, well, lets just say that just yesterday alone because of my laptop, I used about 250 megs.
I am more about the usability and end user experience.
Too bad Minimo didn't seem to work with WM6.
Perhaps other people on WM6 encounter the same experience?
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In Denmark you can have unlimited for $85 with "3", but then you have TV-channels along with the offer - X-series. But still its quite expensive cause one still have to pay for calls... I have an old plan with 750 minuttes a month for $85 - so to put an unlimited data plan on top would give me an incredible phone bill every month... $85+$85... And by the way. At home I have a 4mb/768kb ADSL that costs another $85...
So... KEEP EXPENSIVES LOW --- hehehe..
By the way. I find that Opera Mini is very fast, and a lot faster than the build in browser - even when its on WIFI.
i tried to sign up deepfish but it has expired i have the cab someone posted but no reg key so.
is there any other browser that is similar to deepfish available for wm6
Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it
The beta version of Mini Opera has a very good page overview feature, which is a good step forward.
Browse to mini.opera.com on your phone or go to http://www.operamini.com/beta/
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
The new Opera Mini beta does an ok job, but still being a beta, it is rather buggy.
I think the key issue here is WTF happened to deep fish? Microsoft pushed it aside and to the bottom of it's list like it does with ALL Windows Mobile stuff. Such a shame MS doesn't care more about the mobile market.
Deepfish wasn't anywhere close to release, it was a development "sneak-peak". I'm sure they're still working on it. As for Picsel, it was a great browser for it's time. Don't know why you think it was poorly implemented. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of what we require in a browser nowadays, but neither did any of the others when it came out. And as for Opera Mini, it only has overview and zoomed in modes, nothing in between, which makes it just as useless as all the current ones in my opinion. Still waiting for Opera Mobile 9 to come out.
I assure you, they have had how many months to make it work? And they haven't done anything with it...
Face it, MS doesn't care a bit about the mobile market, we will never see any real effort from MS. I'm pretty convinced they have 2 guys there that are their mobile development team, lol
I tried DeepFish months ago and it had some promise. But, MS would drag their feet on fixing the reported bugs. Also, the beta would not allow cookies even though this had been a priority request of the community. I dropped it due to lack of MS support.
GldRush98 said:
Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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I totally disagree. Picsel browser is a fantastic piece of software and one of the first things I install after a ROM update. Not only does it to a bang-up job for daily browsing, but it is my default viewer for all documents, especially PDF and graphic files.
OP, seriously, give it a try and see for yourself... ESPECIALLY for docs.
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Picsel browser is really really bad. It was a good concept, but it really poor implementation.
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The problem is it is a poor implementation , the software itself is amazing !
I've used this softawre in my E680i , no doubt , it is excellent when view M$ office document and PDF file .
So the problem should be Picsel never intend to release a general version of it's software , only for specific device ...
Ummm ... I wonder what it will looks like if a Hermes version is available .
Hmm... I don't get what the problem with Picsel is?! I never experienced any problems... No crashes, no memory errors. And I use it regularly especially for web-browsing...
i googled for Picsel browser but couldnt find any download links!?
mkmonkey: we hacked out the Picsel browser from a Samsung rom some time back, and there were any device compatible versions released. However, due to copyright reasons we were asked not to distribute it. I'm sure you'll be able to track it down though.
If you do find a copy on the board, please notify me so I or the other mods can delete it.
However, IMHO, I like it very much. There are other browsers, probably Opera or NetFront, that work more "robustly", but Picsel works nicely, and makes a good light doc viewer and pdf viewer as well, so all in, it's a good compromise. I used it for several months and it made my mobile browsing experience (on the Universal, VGA, with some hacks to make it a good deal sexier) significantly more enjoyable then Pocket Internet Explorer.
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hmm ask not to distribute huh?
well, mabye u could send me a PM with a "hidden" link, when picsel isnt watching .
edit: nvm, found it.
Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection. On a XV6700, you have to open a connection first (by send/receive email or opening PIE) before launching Picsel. This is a pain to do every time. For this reason, I use it only when I need to view documents close up. Also does not seem to work with flash. Why WM devices still ship with such a crappy browser is beyond me when there are so many better alternatives, but with spotty flash support.
My biggest problem with Picsel was that when you scrolled, it did not render on the fly. You had to stop for it to display the new section of the page. Anyone have a version that did it properlY?
@obentou:
Problem with Picsel is that it does not always create its own internet connection.
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I posted a workaround for that problem, maybe you're interested:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=277812&page=7
In that thread you find a small helper-program which you can bind to a key on your device to manually establish an internet-connection without having to start PIE.
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Yea it's called Picsel Browser. you can find it somewhere on here or google it
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I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
Regards,
Taguapire.
taguapire said:
I don't think so, you remove the very good interface and you get a mediocre browser.
Regards,
Taguapire.
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Uhm, what did that have to do with the sentence you quoted?
How do i use a proxy connection with the Picsel browser?
As far as I know Picsel does not support a proxy... Which is bad because most WAP flatrates depend on proxies... :-/
hello,
i was wondering what's the best internet application apart from internet explorer, i know there's opera - is there anything else that is easy on the eyes and makes the internet experience like the desktop - in other words zooms to the size of the screen? please help, thanks.
any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
can someone just suggest an app, please?
Opera Mobile works well.
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/
thanks for the prompt reply.
I would have answered but internet App is a loose term. Any application that connects to the internet would be an internet app. If you would have said browser I would have told you Opera, DeepFish, or JB5.
oops, you're right - sorry i meant internet browser, lol. what was i thinking?
BTW, this is another kind of thread that should be posted to the Smartphone General forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=323651
deepfish?? jb5? are they good??
can someone post some links.. plz..
Deepfish is a microsoft browser that certain users who signed up for the beta have. It's currently still being developed and registration numbers aren't being handed out at this time. If you google JB5, it's the first link.
Deep fish is comparable to Opera Mini, & iPhones Safari. Same concept. True webpage that you can access and zoom in on.
i like using opera mini 4 beta the best. the full page browsing is really cool. the two downsides though is that it zaps your battery and it doesnt keep you logged into web pages
hey thanks for the reply, but when you mean it doesn't keep you logged in?
MiniMo
There's a new browser on the block that I'm surprised no one has mentioned: MiniMo. The MiniMo project is an attempt to make a Windows Mobile version of Mozilla (as in the underlying technologies used in FireFox, such as the Gecko rendering engine). So far, it's at version 0.2, but has major flaws. It grinds my Dash to a halt very often, it has too many on screen buttons, navigation is a pain in the neck without a touch screen, and it has major stability issues (ranging from the program just not starting to locking up the entire device).
While this won't help you now, it's something to look forward to, and at least its current progress is accessible, unlike JB5 and DeepFish, and at least it's free, unlike Opera Mobile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Om...2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
looking really good
http://my.opera.com/operamobile/blog/2009/03/26/opera-mobile-9-7-beta-for-windows-mobile
no cabs floating around?
"OpenGL ES
Hardware acceleration with OpenGL ES support, ensuring smoother scrolling, panning and a more fluid user interface."
THANK YOU OPERA! ! ! !
No really, this is great. I can't wait. All browsers on WM have their vice's (including Opera), but still, every time I keep coming back for Opera Mobile goodness.
I checked out the Turbo function on the Opera 10 Alpha, and its pretty good. I hope the rendering is faster and more effective, since that (processing power) is still a weak point on WM devices.
Can't wait
Opera 9.7 sounds really good, almost too good to be true.
Can't wait to give it a try.
Hope the startup is as quick as Opera Mini - cause that's a dream to use!!
now they are also doing geolocation
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3887
Opera and Skyhook Wireless Bring Geolocation to the Web
from wmpoweruser by admin
Opera Software and Skyhook Wireless today announced their partnership to bring geolocation to the Web. Users can now simply choose to share their location with any Web site and get a range of information about related products and services around them. Whether it is local searching, social networking, geotagging photos, local advertising or discovering nearby content, geolocation is a key factor in creating a relevant and meaningful experience on the Web.
Traditionally, geolocation was considered as being only a part of a downloadable mobile application, but, with Skyhook’s Wi-Fi Positioning System (WPS), any computer or mobile phone with a wireless adapter can take advantage of its advanced positioning technology and locate a user, making this service available to any Web site.
“Location is always relevant when someone is browsing the Web,” said Tatsuki Tomita, SVP of consumer products at Opera Software. “By embedding Skyhook’s technology into Opera and making it available through the W3C Geolocation API, we ensure that every Opera user gets the same, high-quality, location-based experience out of the gate.”
With the new W3C Geolocation Application Programming Interface (API), Opera will make Skyhook Wireless’ groundbreaking location platform available to any Web developer with just a few lines of JavaScript. For example, a popular coffee chain will write the necessary JavaScript code on their Web site, Opera will ask the user for approval, then the location will be submitted to the Web site servers and their service will display the coffee shop locations nearest to the user on a map.
“Making accurate and reliable geolocation available over JavaScript to any Web developer means Skyhook’s market leading platform will be in the hands of a whole new world of developers and we expect to see the explosion of location-based services on the Web,” said Ryan Sarver, director of consumer products at Skyhook Wireless.
A technology preview for their desktop browser is available for download at http://labs.opera.com/.
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Anyone can tell everybody the day out?
when will it be out please let me know
Maybe it will be included in R3A?
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Maybe it will be included in R3A?
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I don't think so
This really looks amazing, i cannot wait to try it out when it's available!
All I ask for is Opera Bookmark sync. Hopefully this will be included.
I've also been searching for a possibility to edit the Opera-Mobile-bookmarks on the PC to get kind of sync. And I found a - I have to give in not very comfortable - solution.
All you have to do is to edit your 'opera6.adr'-file. You can either replace the one on your X1 with one made by Opera on the PC or you can also open the file with the Editor on your PC and edit it how you want it.
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I've also been searching for a possibility to edit the Opera-Mobile-bookmarks on the PC to get kind of sync. And I found a - I have to give in not very comfortable - solution.
All you have to do is to edit your 'opera6.adr'-file. You can either replace the one on your X1 with one made by Opera on the PC or you can also open the file with the Editor on your PC and edit it how you want it.
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>>> I already tried this and I noticed that the bookmarks are not in the same order as they are in pc browser. I also noticed that when typing in web addresses in Opera, that there is a lag because I think it searches through all my bookmarks.
Not new News of opera 9.7?
gretZ,
gongoscho
really excited to the opera 9.7.
Hope the flash problem really solved in the new version
my biggest problem with current version of opera in that you have to "zoom in" to click on links, as aposed to selecting them in the "zoomed out" mode. You get what I mean?
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my biggest problem with current version of opera in that you have to "zoom in" to click on links, as aposed to selecting them in the "zoomed out" mode. You get what I mean?
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yeah, know what u mean
i really really want adobe to release a decent flash plugin (or opera should come up with another solution)
Hope the new one can play youtube movies directly from the website they are buildin. Watching www.pocketnow.com I can only see black boxes with "play" sign on it. When there's no link to www.youtube.com its hard to find the one.
this is a bit of speculation.. but i thought id share:
http://www.fuzemobility.com/opera-97-turbo-to-be-released-tomorrow/
http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/...or-windows-mobile--available-this-Monday.html
to articles claiming a release of tommrow
It's probably not going to happen. Turns out, Opera are quite prone to simply giving up on software and never getting round to releasing new versions. It's as if they have some attention deficit disorder, except on a company scale.
Iris is probably better, anyhow.
Opera 9.7 beta ftp link
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/winmobile/970b1/
Looks like Opera will be giving WP7 some sweet love .
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/opera-to-launch-opera-mini-6-and-opera-mobile-11-at-ctia
Looks like it wont be (at least for now).
http://wmpoweruser.com/opera-web-browser-coming-to-windows-phone-7-at-ctia/
Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
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Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
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Wish I could say the same........ Im finding it slow as hell
Waiting for a good quality 3rd party browser.
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Wish I could say the same........ Im finding it slow as hell
Waiting for a good quality 3rd party browser.
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Which phone do you have? I guess that really shouldn't make any difference, but some ppl report the Dells are faster at app loading. Don't know why since all the hardware is essentially the same. But I compared IE on my HD7 to Safari on my iPhone and Chrome on my Android phone and IE is slightly slower but it is smoother and cleaner. But the speed difference with Safari is negligible.
I'm not a fan of the standard WP7 browser, the Google "adapted for mobile" on it annoys the living daylights out of me! I've set it to show me the desktop pages, but i still get it all the time!
Im on an HD2 so that's probably the reason its slow.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using Board Express
IE is great but in some areas is pure SHAME.
Doesn't support banking in my bank.
What's more it doesn't OPEN some pages!
I want a second browser.
This story has been updated. It is for Windows 7 (tablets), not Windows Phone 7.
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This story has been updated. It is for Windows 7 (tablets), not Windows Phone 7.
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That's right
I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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Yeah, I like IE too and am surprised how well it works coming from IE on the HD2 in WinMo. But I have had issues with IE in WP7 in the past. It crashed once where I had to reboot to get it working again. But that didn't dull my enjoyment of it. It's a sweetly smooth and responsive browser that likely will be improved with...erm...refinement....hehe. I won't say updates, because those are something MS doesn't understand or use.
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I'm not sure I care either way if Opera makes its way onto WP7... though that looks dire at this point. I have never experienced any problems on my WP7 IE. I'm betting IE9 is going to be even better too. Supposedly it's coming before Mango.
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Well if IE9 will polish some issues and add Flash & HTML5 it's ok.
However I would still like the choice. Opera has some amazing features.
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Yeah, I like IE too and am surprised how well it works coming from IE on the HD2 in WinMo. But I have had issues with IE in WP7 in the past. It crashed once where I had to reboot to get it working again. But that didn't dull my enjoyment of it. It's a sweetly smooth and responsive browser that likely will be improved with...erm...refinement....hehe. I won't say updates, because those are something MS doesn't understand or use.
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Crashed as in totally locked up the whole phone??
Just experienced this about 3 mins ago...
I'm slowly getting used to this version of ie but it doesn't even compare to opera 9.7 on wm6.5
Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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Ah well...IE is good enough. I like Opera because of the "Link". Can get all of my bookmarks and settings easily. But IE impresses me as a super smooth browser as is and is very fast.
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Well, there is an app in the marketplace, called "Opera Link" which features access to your speed-dial, bookmarks and notes. When you press one of those, the link will be opened in IE.
Sincerly,
DeathLamp
PS: I think I read somewhere, that Opera had Closed Betas for Opera Mobile for WP7 when there were no WP7-Phones and just the emulator but as mentioned, I have no source for that.
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Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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that's becouse the HD2 drivers aren't good. (known problem)
got my Omnia 7 yesterday and its a lot smoother then my HD2 WP7.
only downside is there is no file browser (touchXplorer doesn't work on non-htc)
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Crashed as in totally locked up the whole phone??
Just experienced this about 3 mins ago...
I'm slowly getting used to this version of ie but it doesn't even compare to opera 9.7 on wm6.5
Does anyone else find the pinch to zoom awkward and buggy or is it just because I'm not on a native device?
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It kind of did screw up the whole system. From what I can remember I could only get out of IE by using the Windows button and could barely do much else except be on the main screen. I haven't experience it since. And, by the way, this freeze-up occurred while browsing XDA...lol
WP7 pinch to zoom is second to none. It is the actual absolute best thing about WP7. It is so perfectly precise and immediately responsive. If you aren't getting that on your HD2 WP7 experience, I encourage you to go check out an HD7 and see. The PtZ is one thing that floored me when I first got my HD7.
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It kind of did screw up the whole system. From what I can remember I could only get out of IE by using the Windows button and could barely do much else except be on the main screen. I haven't experience it since. And, by the way, this freeze-up occurred while browsing XDA...lol
WP7 pinch to zoom is second to none. It is the actual absolute best thing about WP7. It is so perfectly precise and immediately responsive. If you aren't getting that on your HD2 WP7 experience, I encourage you to go check out an HD7 and see. The PtZ is one thing that floored me when I first got my HD7.
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haha yeah it was xda that screwed me too...
As for the multitouch, looks like I'm gonna have to stop by the t mobile store for some native pinch to zoom action...
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haha yeah it was xda that screwed me too...
As for the multitouch, looks like I'm gonna have to stop by the t mobile store for some native pinch to zoom action...
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Pinch to zoom is actually almost perfect on WP7, no complaints on this field.
Agreed. PtZ is great on WP7. You can even PtZ and move around the webpage/photo/document at the same time which gives you superb precision.