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Why can't we have Froyo yet already???? What's the hold up? By the time, we get it... 3.0 will be around the corner...
Yours doesn't have it?
Yep. I have it
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
oh and duck Apple
I'm not talking about hacked custom roms.. I'm talking about offical release from HTC. I want Froyo that is fully function including 4g
you are lucky you didnt own a Hero then. It was outdated they day i got it(two days before launch). it came with 1.5 i believe, 1.6 was already out and 2.0 was announced a few weeks later w/ the DROID. THEN 2.1 one came out and Hero owners were STILL waiting. finally 2.2 was announced and a week or so later they pushed 2.1 to Sprint Heros.
long story short, dont expect it to come out anytime soon with HTC's track record. i would recommend rooting and installing cm6, it runs great sans 4G
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you are lucky you didnt own a Hero then. It was outdated they day i got it(two days before launch). it came with 1.5 i believe, 1.6 was already out and 2.0 was announced a few weeks later w/ the DROID. THEN 2.1 one came out and Hero owners were STILL waiting. finally 2.2 was announced and a week or so later they pushed 2.1 to Sprint Heros.
long story short, dont expect it to come out anytime soon with HTC's track record. i would recommend rooting and installing cm6, it runs great sans 4G
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I'm confused. I thought cm6 has the known issues for 4g.
jefftse said:
I'm confused. I thought cm6 has the known issues for 4g.
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long story short, dont expect it to come out anytime soon with HTC's track record. i would recommend rooting and installing cm6, it runs great sans 4G
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"without 4G"
HTC has announced 2.2 will roll out by December. If you want it that bad, i suggest trying out CyanogenMod. I never had 4G coverage around me, but after playing around with it, i would never go back to a Sense-based 2.1 ROM.
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"without 4G"
HTC has announced 2.2 will roll out by December. If you want it that bad, i suggest trying out CyanogenMod. I never had 4G coverage around me, but after playing around with it, i would never go back to a Sense-based 2.1 ROM.
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Cyanogen's mod, while amazingly awesome, has problems. There are missing features, inconsistencies between what works and what doesnt from user to user, and it's AOSP.
HTC has to make EVERYTHING work for EVERYONE all the while porting over their sense UI. All of their apps and widgets need to work on Froyo. It needs to be stable. This sort of thing realistically can take months to perfect. So don't be butthurt when you don't get it til Christmas.
I personally can't stand Sense... or any other UI put on top of android. But as long as I can root and boot up custom roms, I'm a happy camper.
uhh isn't google suppose to be the one releasing froyo since they are the makers of android os not htc? i thought htc was just the hardware
google only releases it for nexus one
they then release froyo source then hardware makers like htc and motorola use the source along to build their versions with either sense or blur
Now I can see how so many people are confused.
This isn't a simple phone, it is complex and there are many hands in the cookie jar. Please do some research about your phone, and who makes what, and you will realize it is far more complicated than "Froyo is out, how come my phone doesn't have it."
I'm very happy with the Froyo I already have. I see 4G as a totally useless feature due to its extreme battery drainage.
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Now I can see how so many people are confused.
This isn't a simple phone, it is complex and there are many hands in the cookie jar. Please do some research about your phone, and who makes what, and you will realize it is far more complicated than "Froyo is out, how come my phone doesn't have it."
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Uhh mayb not everyone has the time to research the whole history/background of their phone as you do...like me i switch phones every 2 months that means i'd be doing more research on my phones history then using the damn thing.
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Uhh mayb not everyone has the time to research the whole history/background of their phone as you do...like me i switch phones every 2 months that means i'd be doing more research on my phones history then using the damn thing.
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Then thinking you can come into a development forum and post a question that should be common knowledge to anyone tinkering at all in Android is just lazy.
If you switch phones every two months, then what do you care about Froyo, or even learning what your phone can do anyway...
When I make a purchase, I find out what I am buying, if it suits my needs, what limitations it has, what support it has etc. I call that making an "informed" decision.
I don't just walk into the story and buy the pretty one without knowing the above. Or else I would have an iPhone and wouldn't care about what I can do with it.
This was a lazy question posted by someone that hasn't done any reading about their phone or they would see what has to be done to get an Official Froyo build.
basically,
Froyo (aka: Android 2.2) has been released by it's maker. it's maker is Google. HTC gets licensing to install the OS on it's phones. now, when HTC first started working with Android...android was..well...it was lacking...it was lacking a fair bit. so the HTC devs put some 'Sense' onto android to make it something that the nerds can bring to their corporate executives. (cause if we nerds can't sell the boss on how cool this is...then i don't get to play it.) meanwhile, Google is trying to turn Android into a serious market contender. and its going up against some very mature code. this has a side effect of causing Google to release v1.5, v1.6, v2.1 and v2.2 rather close to each other. this is not a sustainable pace of release...it will piss everyone off. thankfully Froyo supposedly will be able to bridge us over until v3.0. at which point google has said they will proceed with a much slower version relase of Android.
Sense is not needed like it used to be. however, it'll prolly be around for a while. htc has said they will release froyo onto the evo but that is not a priority for them...the evo is yesterdays product so its more important getting the upcoming devices ready for market. perhaps the HTC/Sprint sanctioned Android 2.2 will be released by the end of the 4th quarter (or so they say).
on the good note...CM6 is rather nice. even without having 4G running yet. but really, how often do need to turn on the 4G radio? and they will get it working before long.
i must also agree w/ Bielinsk on this one....
Bielinsk Originally Posted by youngdhillon
This was a lazy question posted by someone that hasn't done any reading about their phone or they would see what has to be done to get an Official Froyo build.
Today 03:54 PM
This may be a little off topic, but if I root my EVO what ROM should I use if I want Froyo and Sense?
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This may be a little off topic, but if I root my EVO what ROM should I use if I want Froyo and Sense?
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Check out Avalaunchmods Froyo ROM with Sense. He released an RC for it today and hopes to have a couple of little issues fixed tonight. He has a Sense and no-Sense ROM available. He's put a lot of work into them and i'll be checking out the Sense ROM for sure tonight. Probably bounce back and forth between the CM6 that i'm using now and Ava's Sense ROM.
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This may be a little off topic, but if I root my EVO what ROM should I use if I want Froyo and Sense?
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I respect your desire for Sense, however, I see no Sense in it.
Bielinsk said:
Then thinking you can come into a development forum and post a question that should be common knowledge to anyone tinkering at all in Android is just lazy.
If you switch phones every two months, then what do you care about Froyo, or even learning what your phone can do anyway...
When I make a purchase, I find out what I am buying, if it suits my needs, what limitations it has, what support it has etc. I call that making an "informed" decision.
I don't just walk into the story and buy the pretty one without knowing the above. Or else I would have an iPhone and wouldn't care about what I can do with it.
This was a lazy question posted by someone that hasn't done any reading about their phone or they would see what has to be done to get an Official Froyo build.
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maybe because all the phones i buy are android os...and you really have way too much time on you're hand to flame someone over such a little thing...all i asked was "isn't froyo suppose to be released by google and not htc" if you don't wana answer it then leave it alone...noone wants to hear your history crap...Noone wants to know how you read every nutrient fact before buying milk or read every little thing that's on the charging adapter...maybe you have time all the time in the world to do that and all the power to you but not everyone is like...we actually have a life and don't learn the history of every little thing we purchase...and fyi forums are made to ask questions and to inform each other...so if you don't like someones question instead of flaming simply don't read it and move on.
hey guys seems like HTC is keeping the spirit up and giving the Desire a gingerbread OTA update by the end of june
not that our devs haven't already got gingerbread on it but like this we will have HTC sense the right way it's supposed to
check one of engadget's latest posts ull see
Ding ding ding.
Number 6, enjoy your short moment of fame.
Remember you have to share it with a increasing group of people who post stuff that has been posed before.
Search for a post next time instead of creating a post that has already been created about 10 times already. Seriously, no wonder why coutts left this forum. Full of idiots.
Yeah, but you could have said this in a much friendly way...
That was nice. No but seriously, I was in a **** mood and seriously, people should read more. Personally, I go through the forums and search to find stuff and I read an awful lot of posts (quite sad to be honest). It just gets on my nerves sometimes.
Been on Oxygen for a few weeks and frankly exchanging Sense for 300MB of onboard (not SD) app space is worth the loss of Sense. Using dialer1 and handcent and a bundle of other neat apps is great. Also have double the battery life that I had either 2.2 Stock Sense
oursoul, why do you insist on posting that very same line/paragraph/sales pitch on every single new thread that is popping up regarding the *ahem* "latest" news of Gingerbread OTA.
Bumping up your post count?
Did you find a replacement to take the "Notes" info from gmail contacts and link them all together which sense does? Thats the only reason in holding on TBH
It`s been official now, I`am reading on some site.
I prefer the Sense Dialer so dont like any of the current stock ROMs, so will wait patiently for the OTA.
Any better similar ones, that has contacts pics and facebook integration?
did anyone hear the leaked android 2.3.2 Galaxy S release?
I'll be disappointed if the Galaxy S gets a gingerbread update before the Desire... HTC will be slipping if that happens!
You know the drill mate.. the update will roll out.. it will be filled with bugs.. rants all over the place about how Sammy manages to make ****ty firmwares and then out of nowhere HTC will pop the update for us making the Desire again the first non developer device that gets the newest Android itteration
Or something along those lines.. I hope..
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what will be funny is that by time June/July has come and we our 2.3 update, there is no doubt 2.5 (2.6) will have been announced and we'll all want that version instead.
Hopefully we'll atleast get the updated Sense with the update.
if Samsung roll out 2.3.2 then I hope HTC roll out 2.3.3 at least
also I would like them to fix the htc mail client too so it works with hotmail eas...
It's going to be annoying in 2.3 that you can't link Google contacts with Facebook ones, that was one of the things I missed when using Gingerbread ROMS. Looking forward to going back to an official ROM though whenever it's released.
I've been using the DevNull Rom, which is supposed to be a stock Android Rom, since yesterday.
HTC Sense is definitely more user friendly and intuitive....... has a lot more features too.
However, I find it to be quite unstable and kills the battery pretty quickly, and let's not forget the stupid apps like stock and peep.
Coming from HTC Sense, stock Android takes a while to get used to but I'm glad I made the switch 'cause my phone is a lot more stable now and the battery life has improved considerably.
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Nah I was just having a giggle, making a point.
No harm done eh.
I dont need to bump my post count, that's just ridiculous.
Sorry to offend
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a)partition tables are not related to this thread
b)what you are pointing out is just plain ridiculous. There is definitely no point in getting 300mb of internal space when a decent SD card outperforms nand. You can't fit use other roms either which are meant to be used with large caches, and you could brick your device.
Oh, and c) you don't get any of the aosp bugs either
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How many of you think the 2.3 update may bring the latest Sense Along with it.
it is quite possible I think !! but then .. we could get the same one too :\
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How many of you think the 2.3 update may bring the latest Sense Along with it.
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I expect same Sense version, but hope for the newer one
@Erklat: what aosp bugs are you talking about? I'm thinking about flashing oxygen because it is said to be bugfree.
I am almost certain that HTC's Desire gingerbread Rom will use the old sense version. Nandspace is simply too small. HD -ROMs only work because of high use of A2SD and HTC can't use that on official ROMs.
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I was wondering if anyone knew when the EVO will be getting the new HTC Sense. I know that the EVO can get the new Sense via Root, but I'm not interested in rooting. I'm looking forward to the new Sense for the fast boot and themes... lol. I'm guessing that it will be included with the Gingerbread update, but does anyone have any idea when this will be coming. I know carriers are notoriously slow to bring OS updates, and I'm not sure why, but I appreciate any information. Google and tech websites have proved useless.
Thanks.
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I was wondering if anyone knew when the EVO will be getting the new HTC Sense. I know that the EVO can get the new Sense via Root, but I'm not interested in rooting. I'm looking forward to the new Sense for the fast boot and themes... lol. I'm guessing that it will be included with the Gingerbread update, but does anyone have any idea when this will be coming. I know carriers are notoriously slow to bring OS updates, and I'm not sure why, but I appreciate any information. Google and tech websites have proved useless.
Thanks.
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did you ever start to think you can't find a release date because there isn't one?
yankeeboy254 said:
I was wondering if anyone knew when the EVO will be getting the new HTC Sense. I know that the EVO can get the new Sense via Root, but I'm not interested in rooting. I'm looking forward to the new Sense for the fast boot and themes... lol. I'm guessing that it will be included with the Gingerbread update, but does anyone have any idea when this will be coming. I know carriers are notoriously slow to bring OS updates, and I'm not sure why, but I appreciate any information. Google and tech websites have proved useless.
Thanks.
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There are actually quite a few threads around the General section here discussing and debating that very topic. The consensus is that it unknown when or if we will get the new Sense at all. Some people believe that the Evo is done getting official updates, others think we will get a Gingerbread update, but that it won't include the new sense. Others believe we will get a full Gingerbread + Sense 2.0 update. So basically, it's anyone's guess as of now. If we were indeed to actually get an official update, I myself would guess that it'll be sometime between april and july. Hopefully something gets leaked before then. As you said though, you could always Root up, and flash a sense 2.0 rom such as Myn's Warm Z ( a port from the Desire Z), MikZ, or any of Virus's Z ports. Lots of options if you're rooted.
The evo may or not get it, no one actually knows. Your best options would be to flash a ported rom, such a myn's warm z, virus z, as they're ports with the sense 2.0.
Hey!
Today, I was doing some surfing, and came across the Sense SDK/HTCdev page on the web. It's already been covered on the forums, however I think that there may be a slight hint there as to what the new Gingerbread ROM on the Desire will include:
http://www.htcdev.com/about/
If you look at the Desire in the greyish box down the page, you will clearly see the Sense UI running in the image is the new version that is found on the Gingerbread Sense devices.
This could be one of two things:
1. A little hint as to the features of the Gingerbread ROM
2. A mistake in the Photoshop department
I'm hoping it's number one, but IMHO I think it will turn out to be number two, what with the leaked HTC Asia ROM having the FroYo Sense UI... but anyhow, let's wait and see!
What do you think?
Thanks!
-Cameron
This seems like a photoshop mistake. They just fit in a screenshot of the Sense UI they got laying around and fit it in a press shot of the HTC Desire.
But.. (there's always a but)
It somehow would make sense that they upgraded the Sense version of the Desire to 2.1 (or something similar). In the leaked Asia builds, you could find some features that were only found on Sense 2.1 + every single phone in the Desire "family" is running 2.1.
Also, remember HTC saying that there wasn't enough internal space on the Desire for Gingerbread + Sense? Yeah well, those leaked Asia updates, they had Sense + GB, didn't they? And as far as I know, that ROM was about the same size as a FroYo stock ROM.
My guess is that they were slowly porting Sense 2.1 to the Desire, feature by feature and at some point, someone said "this is going to slow, we're having more issues than planned, this is going to cost us more money and time than we planned", so naturally, HTC pulled the plug, until the community went nuts and screamed rape and fire. Sooo, they're now settling for a dirty solution: ditch some apps from the system partition, which can be found on the market.
What I can't seem to think of is why they wouldn't stick with the regular Sense that we have right now, mixed with GB. It would've been easier and less time consuming.
This is just a sequence of thoughts that I have concerning this update, don't go believing me or telling me that I'm wrong, I'm just thinking out loud, sharing my perspective
Thanks for that. I'm hoping that you're wrong though, because I'd like to get Sense 2.1 without ports but that's me, greedy as always
HTC doesn't do "porting" as many of the dev's here on XDA do, they got the source code so they only need to compile a Sense 2.1 version for the HTC Desire Which was what I meant with porting.
I'm hoping for a Sense 2.1 update as well, since I like Sense 2.1 far more than Sense 3 (based on what I've seen, tried and read) but I'm not getting my hopes up.. Time will tell ^^
No, by ports I meant that the new Desire update wouldn't be ported, so there would be no incompatibilities. Hope thats what you meant just
Hi, i'm also hope that Desire will get sense 2.1, in Poland we sometimes say that "the hope is the mother of the stupid people" after translation of course but maybe this time it will be different ;p
BTW. Official ROM's are theoretically 100% bugfree, but practically may be different or devs are making better functionality ROM
Regards
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This was discussed weeks ago when the HTC Dev site first came online - I reckon it's a Photoshop personally
pavel54 said:
Hi, i'm also hope that Desire will get sense 2.1, in Poland we sometimes say that "the hope is the mother of the stupid people" after translation of course but maybe this time it will be different ;p
BTW. Official ROM's are theoretically 100% bugfree, but practically may be different or devs are making better functionality ROM
Regards
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But, as all mothers, she loves her children
Doubt it...
Probably justa an original sense with gingerbread... they seem to have problems with speed using sense 3
Bartyzel said:
But, as all mothers, she loves her children
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right /// hehe dokładnie
@flavio.moringa - it's clear that we will not see sense 3.0 because it's reserved for Sensation / more expensive HTC models or newer models as it provides a logical marketing policy
but 2.1 would be a very positive surprise...
Desire development is seem to be going dead..
Doesn't feel good but.. really the development section is slowly going dead...
Captain Obvious to the rescue?
If you decided to have a rant, at least write a few sentences so that we have something to read?
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Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.
every phone has a shelf life . just wait for ur upgrade and hope that the dev community is as good/helpful as this one
Gotta expect it on a 2 yo device. when you see Runnymede AIO and RSK 6 it's hard to see how much further this thing can be pushed. It's already amazing what's possible compared with what HTC intended for it, but there comes a time...
Its normaly said the device is as good as its developers, but after being part of xda for such a long time i really belive the device is as good as its supporters..! and the more the supporters move towards new devices (Especially alot these days due to the end of 2 year contracts) the lesser is the need for any one to bring something new to the device because not many are interested in using it.
And as far as the developers are concerned alot of the dev's were first supporters who really learned to develop as a process to get something new to their own and everyones devices. Many of them dont take official classes to become dev's it just takes a willing supporter of the device n community to actually give in imp time and learn and try developing.
Buh anyways The HTC DESIRE was a great 2 year run, for its money, hardware and this community..! Thankx to All The Dev's for giving us way more than HTC could ever deliver. The Desire was truely a developer phone.. just hope we see the same support in a future device !
I will probably keep my desire for another 2 years. Here in the UK you get massive reductions in line rental if you do not upgrade with a new handset. Besides that I see nothing on the market that's worth upgrading for.
It's all just gimmicks with software bugs, at least my desire is finally at a stage where everything works as planned. I'm still a stock Rom user and by browsing this forum I can see lots of upgrade potential if I venture into the dark side (go rooted).
I don't know how it works elsewhere but here in the UK the average consumer is pretty clued up on phones and most will search the net for bugs before choosing a phone.
I know quite a few iPhone users who have not upgraded to 4s and have instead opted to stay with their current iPhones and benefit from cheaper line rental.
There is also a recession so that means people are looking to save money. Old desires from the UK get sent to new owners in 3rd world countries. Basically the desire is here for another 2 years easily so it makes sense for developers to stick with it.
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Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.
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Alex v already move to sensation xl..
Maybe you can continue desire development..
Because you help so many people.
And me also learn a lot from you..
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Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire. Any one here from Desires introduction and still has it will know of all the Dev. work done over two tears. I will always hang onto mine too much of a classic to let go.
I also have an Evo 3d (not mine but owner hates it) SGS2 and Nexus One. My Desire is still my daily driver. Some of the best Devs have worked on the Desire and I still check here regularly. So to the Rom Devs, Themers, Modders and Contributors no matter how small the contribution it has been a terrific two years.
If I can single out Madmaxx for the Touch Recovery as the greatest piece of Tech to grace the Desire and Alpharev for S-Off. Just my opinion.
Of course everybody is moving. The HTC Desire is now > two years old. Thats the smartphone lifecycle I think. Dont unterstand me wrong, I absolutely love my desire because its such a reliable phone.
It's long dead. There is very little to no development on it right now. The things you see most on the development section nowadays are merely applied knowledge learned from 'true' development that happened a year or so ago. I see this section going to the legacy devices list pretty soon.
I can't see any problems here. There are loads of stable roms - cyanogen mod, oxygen, even moded or rooted senses, there is no need to spend time on an old device, when it already has reached it's maximum
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Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire.
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The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.
There are plenty of nice Roms in the Desire Section but as with my old phones, HTC Touch HD, HTC HD2 and now HTC Desire they all become old and newer phones come out. That is life. I am getting a new phone myself and looking into what is hot and got the most potential but I will still keep my Desire and hopefully look for new Roms like Sense 3.6 and Sense 4 and 100% working ICS Roms. The new phone will probably have ICS installed or upgraded but I still love Flashing new Roms just for sake of it, isnt that what we all love doing.
One thing for certain, the Desire will go down as one of the most remembered phones.
Desire and g1 best phones ever
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CM 7.2 is coming.
ICS drivers from Qualcomm is also released, let's see if something catches fire soon enough
Also, the desire hardware is kinda limited after 2 years of development.
I've only had my Desire for a year now, and moved to a custom ROM about half a year ago (InsertCoin 2.3.3) once my hunger for apps started giving me storage issues.
Am now on Sandvold ICS and LOVE the UI and HWA speed. Unfortunately, the daily random crashes I'm experiencing mean that a bit more development is needed.
As long as ICS gets stable I'm happy.
The phone is two HTC generations old now, and over 2 years since it was released. I think ICS will be the last Android version to see the Desire.
Still, there is plenty of development going on for ICS in my opinion. A new version of CM9 was just released, Sandvold has his stock version, and a development thread for Sense 4.0 has just opened. There is probably a good 6 months worth of work left.
This was my first android and parting ways with it is going to be hard but yeah we have to move on some time. No new developments rom wise besides the ics and potential ics sense stuff...
I'd say the desire still got some steam left in him
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Kalavere said:
The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.
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Hahaha that's true!!
Never dies
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