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Will it work on the xda IIs?
It may. A user on another forum just reported succesfully using a Tanscend 4gb card in his XV6600 even though he was told it would only support 2gb...http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61612
Have tested with 2GB SData SD card myself, works fine. Didn't have 4gb but it should work as well.
The SX66 supported SD list was created back when the highest SD card was like 512meg or 1gig, that's why the supported lists are different
hi, thanks for the replies. i see it everything should be fine using a 4gb sd card.
due to the nature of the BA, and as far as i kno all other fairly recent PDAs they will support all current and future SD cards as they don't suffer the limited memory addressing of smaller less complex devices such as normal mobile phones like nokias and digital cameras
i've read somewhere the SD card standard will theoretically go up to 16gb, lets hope they arn't too far away, and that the BA will support it.
Still hoping some random company will develop and release an SDIO USB host though. Damn the BA not having Compact Flash.
http://www.everythingusb.com/news/index/5929.htm
http://sandisk.com/Products/Item(1239)-SDSDPH-1024-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SD_Plus_USB_1GB.aspx
Much cheaper, and from SanDisk...
1 GB SD which doubles as a USB thimbdrive w/o need for adapter. MSRP $134.99
From PRETEC, here:-
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=6609
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I found one on eBay for £96.00 + £4.00 p&p.
150X 8GB OEM SAMSUNG SECURE DIGITAL SD CARD 8 GB G NEW
Looks good.
Gonna test that on Universalinux too?
wonder if it will work in a prophet (JAMin)
RE
If your PDA do not have a SDHC slot then PRETEC card is not backward compatible
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"SDHC cards are recognized by new SDHC host devices differently than standard SD cards and are not backward compatible with legacy SD format host devices. "
Bad luck!!
What IS SDHC compatible?
I was gonna ask that one, so i will ask it anyway!
What is SDHC?
Never mind, i found this information:
http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/pdf/retail/SDHC1.pdf#search="sdhc compatible"
But now we need to know whether our Universal is SDHC compatible or not. Has anyone managed to find out if these new cards work with our PDA's?
Maximum capacity for this device: May support up to 2GB
But we know that's already true. So...
This quote is right from the article linked to by the first post here...
The maximum capacity of SD card is 2GB under SD 1.1 of Secure Digital Alliance (SDA) specification; however, by using file format of FAT32, many SD 1.1 host devices can use a 4GB SD card. SD 1.0/1.1 uses traditional "Byte Addressing" scheme which limits the maximum capacity to 4GB while SD 2.0 adopts "Sector Addressing" scheme which can reach the maximum capacity of 2TB (2048GB).
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In other words, they 'cheat' to get the Universal and other SD 1.1 devices to see 4G, but that won't work with the 8G cards.
Brett
Would the Universal still not work with an 8GB SD card if that card was partitioned into 2x 4GB's? It certainly would be helpful if someone could try this? You just never know!
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I guess no one will know for sure until someone tries it. BTW how do you partition a SD card anyways? Do you really think that could work?
hello
if SD 2.0 is the later version then would not all new 4 GB SD cards support "sector addressing" which would limit the ma. capacity to 2 GB
I have a 4gb that works in uni
I keep reading that people aren't able to use anything above a 2gb SD but I have been using a 4gb that I purchased on eBay for pver 6 months now. I used in with the original Jasjar ROM and also with JWrite's, Indra, and currently Helmi's. (not with the WM6's yet though)
It is interesting to note however that it won't work in any of my desktop or laptop systems without the included dongle. Not even the built in SD slot in my TC1100 tablet.
It says it's made by a company called "TopRam" if that helps anyone.
I also purchased an 8gb that SUPPOSEDLY supports SD 1.1 and 2.0 according to the documentation. It took a great deal of hunting to find one that didn't say it was HC and I'm still skeptical as to whether or not it will actually work, but as soon as it comes in and I have a chance to try it I will post the results here if anyone is interested.
I know there are one or two people here who make claims of such things, but if there are any doubters I will take some screenshots of the storage card memory screen if I need to.
SDHC uses a different software for the controller. The hardware is exactly the same. The point I'm trying to make, is that the SD people went to very radical lengths to ensure that there is no compatibility betweens SD and SDHC. They also have two different kinds of memory addressing. Bottom line, you can't use SDHC. Your device must say SDHC, and AFAIK, no PDA is SDHC compatible. With all of that said, I'm a Scoter owner, and we have valid reports of being able to access SDHC cards from a PC, through my device. It may be possible to create drivers for the SD controller, or create some kind of emulator, but that is a long way off. I've seen similar threads about those asking about 4 GB and 8 GB. Unfortunetly most don't understand the difference between SD and SDHC. SD is capable of 4 GB. SDHC starts at 2 GB and has potential in the terrabyte range. In addition, many of the real cheap 4 GB SD cards don't strictly adhere to SD standards, and may work on some reader designs, and not on others. A perfect example is that I bought a 4 GB SD card, that only works on one card reader, but not my PC reader or PDA.
Regards,
Jason
SDHC Patch
I just read on a forum for Palm Treo that they have a working patch for the Treo which forms compatibility of SDHC on the Treo.
Now perhaps we can take a lesson from them and see what changes where needed to make it work. Besides, you can't tell me that there are more people working of patches for the PalmOS than WM.
well , the sdhc 8gb does not work on my xda exec-universal. so I just bought a 4gbcard "MyMemory 4GB 133X SD" from ebay that is stated as being compatible 21.94 pounds.
I'll just use my sdhc 8gb as an expensive mem stick in my sweex sdhc reader .
got it
So I received my 8gb (supposedly NON SDHC) and as expected, it won't read in my Jasjar. I am going to try and reformat it into 2 or 4gb partitions to see if that will work but I am going guess and say no. It is already in fat32 but it doesn't recognize the card at all in the PDA. Just to make sure it was in fact a full 8gb (7.6gb actually) I copied a handfull of movies (7gb) to it and then ran them on another laptop and it is in fact a good card.
I can't repartition it in XP since it sees it as a removable disk, so as soon as I get my Linux laptop back up and running, I will repartition it there and see what happens. I don't expect much though.
TBOMB said:
So I received my 8gb (supposedly NON SDHC) and as expected, it won't read in my Jasjar.
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Could you, please, try AKU 3.5 ROM (Helmi 1.3.1 or Ivan B2)?
Because this ROM comes from device which support SDHC.
There were reports also, that Triniti with last Dopod ROM (AKU 3.5)
support Mini SDHC 4GB (maximum for mini SD now).
BTW tell us which ROM you are tryinng.
why not
If someone will send me the link to the rom files, I'll be glad to. I just don't have a lot of time right now to search the ftp site.
Two questions about Helmi's 1.3.1, first, will it support my bluetooth stereo headset like the pdaviet 207 I'm using now does? and second, I don't suppose any of these new roms has the new timechange fix already applied do they? I just don't want to keep reflashing my Jasjar and still having to apply all the reg fixes etc to correct for the new timezone/dst changes.
Guess nobody was in a hurry for me to test using the other ROMs as I have had no PM's with info as to where I can find the ROMS now that they are no longer on the ftp server here.
I find my copy of Helmi's aku3.5 1.3 and tried it with the 8gb (non-sdhc) card with no luck. I assumed as much. Not quite sure where you heard that it had SDHC support but I guess it doesn't.
I had the PDAVIET 2.0.0.0.7 or whatever the latest incarnation was and that didn't work either. I now have Helmi's WM6 1.1 that I put on last night and that one also doesn't work.
I'm sure we have some developers out there who know palm and ppc hardware who can take a look at the "fix" that was created for the Treo which allows SDHC use. I can "open" the prc file but I don't know enough about what I'm looking at to be helpful.
Not sure why this fix is so slow coming. Perhaps not enough people see the need for 8gb cards. I have a 4gb but I have to continue taking off stuff in order to put anything else on because it's always full.
Some info:
SD vs. SDHC
The original SD card format is limited to 2 GB of storage. That's why the SD Card Association developed the SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity) format, which has the potential for much higher capacities.
Although standard SD and SDHC cards look identical in size and shape, only SDHC-compatible products will be able to accept cards using the new format. This is because the original SD format uses a "Byte Addressing" scheme, while the new format adopts a "Sector Addressing" scheme.
my question:
Is universal compatible withc sdhc ?
What size supports, witch cards are working ?
more info
The fates of Secure Digital (SD) memory cards and handhelds have been linked for years.
Obviously, there is no way to put a floppy drive or CD drive in a handheld, so companies were forced to turn to smaller formats.
SD cards were an obvious solution. They are about the size of a postage stamp, while still capable of storing megabytes of data.
Over the years, these cards have steadily increased in capacity while at the same time dropping in price.
With a bit of research, it's now possible to pick up a 2 GB card for less than a 16 MB one used to sell for.
But recently the SD format has run into a bit of a snag. This has forced a change that might -- or might not -- be significant. It all depends on the device you are using.
FAT16 vs. FAT32
The original SD cards use a format called FAT16. This is a system that is only capable of dealing with 2 GB of data.
Clearly, this was workable several years ago, when an SD card physically capable of storing that much data was barely on the horizon. But it is now outdated.
That's why the SD Card Association (SDA) has put together the specifications for a new, high-capacity SD memory card.
This is called the SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity) format, and uses the FAT32 format. In its present incarnation, SDHC has a maximum capacity of 32 GB.
Aside from formatting, there are no hardware differences between SD and SDHC cards.
Past vs. Future
As many people are aware, there are already SD cards on the market that exceed the 2 GB limit, and these people are almost certainly wondering about the need for the new SDHC format.
These people should know that these cards are formatted with FAT32, not FAT16, which means that they aren't true SD cards.
In many cases, this doesn't matter, as some companies have started adding FAT32 support to their products with SD slots. But not all of them.
This is why the SDA felt the need to come up with a new name for this new format. It is supposed to ensure than anyone who buys an SD card can be confident it will work in their SD-enabled device.
Other New SDHC Features
SDHC cards are also broken up into classes based on their minimum sustained data transfer speed.
A Class 2 card can handle 2 MB/sec., a Class 4 card can handle 4 MB/sec., a Class 6 card can handle 6 MB/sec, and so on.
This allows consumers to be sure they are buying cards that meet their needs.
Other Sub-Specifications
The new SDHC specification also offers three other SD sub-specifications: SD-Audio, SD-Video, and SD-Binding.
All of these include Digital Rights Management (DRM) functions, allowing them to carry various types of files with DRM protection.
For example, SD-Binding allows wireless carriers to bind files that have been downloaded to a specific phone, and prevent unauthorized copying to other devices or computers.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=8870
well if the only difference is fat16/fat32 they should work as Universals support fat32 (my 2gb card is formatted fat32)
Midget_1990 said:
well if the only difference is fat16/fat32 they should work as Universals support fat32 (my 2gb card is formatted fat32)
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So does the htc universal support 8 GB SD card? Or will it be possible through firmware upgrade? What is the largest sd card I can plug into my htc universal (helmi aku 3.5)? And wich brand should i buy?
4GB SD Cards
Hi,
just for information, I'm running a 4GB SD 150x card which my Universal recognises, shows correctly in the 'storage card' tab of the memory app. I use it for music and mapping and have no issues, yet!
Rom 1.30.77 WWE
Radio 1.09.00
Ext Rom 1.30.176 WWE
(Must get around to an upgrade)
8 Gb
paulorosa said:
Some info:
SD vs. SDHC
The original SD card format is limited to 2 GB of storage. That's why the SD Card Association developed the SDHC (Secure Digital High Capacity) format, which has the potential for much higher capacities.
Although standard SD and SDHC cards look identical in size and shape, only SDHC-compatible products will be able to accept cards using the new format. This is because the original SD format uses a "Byte Addressing" scheme, while the new format adopts a "Sector Addressing" scheme.
my question:
Is universal compatible withc sdhc ?
What size supports, witch cards are working ?
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!!!sorry for my english!!!
i have 8 Gb sd card. it's work correct and compatibel with my device.
it's brand is "Transcend" 150X.
i formatted in fat 32.
XDA Exec
OS 5.1.342 (Build 15698.3.5.0)
Rom 2.50.00 WWE
Radio 1.09.00
SPB pocket plus 3.12
wisbar advance 2.0
Format with FAT16
If FAT is the only problem here, still there's a solution
1- Plug your SD into a card reader (or you can use wm_Storage or USB-HDD applications)
2- Go to PC --> Device Manager --> Disk Management, select your SD and try to re-partition it to 2GB based partitions with FAT16 as file system.
3- return it back to your device and report the result.
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I didn't try it, but I think it will work.
djmfxp said:
!!!sorry for my english!!!
i have 8 Gb sd card. it's work correct and compatibel with my device.
it's brand is "Transcend" 150X.
i formatted in fat 32.
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It's good to ear this!
Just to clarify: You are using it in a Universal with witch ROM? Helmi aku 3.5?
Good to see Portuguese around here!
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=dis...ne-7-memory-management-and-microsd-cards&5674
Seems the HD7 uses a Class 2 SDHC card for its internal memory, which is replaceable. I'm surprised it uses such a slow card.
I suspect replacing the card invalidates the warranty though as you need to unscrew the phone and break a seal to get at the slot. Nevertheless you'd end up with a lot more storage, and even 32GB cards are available at class 4 so would be a fair bit faster too.
I remain hopeful that the Venue Pro has gone for the more expensive route of having its 8GB on internal flash chips, leaving the SD card socket free for that nice beefy 32GB card I'm going to put there.
It is odd how MS's own site said they used advanced microSD cards and thus they would be difficult to replace or something. Then we see it's just a class 2. SanDisks are typically a little faster at lower classes than the rest, though.
Two days ago, it happens here
Come one guys, read more please...
You should check the real source here: how dereckcranson was the first to prove us that we can switch any microSD card in our HD7
Okay, I wonder if there are 2 sd card slots in the Focus. Could we switch the 8GB out for 32 and then put a 32 in the 2nd slot?
That would be awesome but I'd be spending just as much on sd cards as I would the phone on an ATT-2year.
If someone get ahold of one, please check!!!
lavike said:
Okay, I wonder if there are 2 sd card slots in the Focus. Could we switch the 8GB out for 32 and then put a 32 in the 2nd slot?
That would be awesome but I'd be spending just as much on sd cards as I would the phone on an ATT-2year.
If someone get ahold of one, please check!!!
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I was wondering the same about the Focus.
ryotgz said:
I was wondering the same about the Focus.
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yes it would work if samsung went the route of adding a sd card instead of flash memory as the internal memory. someone would have to open it and see.
I guess the only folks who could figure this out unti after Nov. 8 are the folks with an Omnia 7. Seems to be pretty similar phone.
Hi!
Today my SD card died and took some pictures with it to the grave, fortunately nothing very important. It may not have been the most expensive card, but it was a fast one and I used it as internal storage. It didn't show any signs of deterioration before it died. I tried to read the card with my PC and two tablets but none of my devices is able to even see the card.
Before buying a new SD card I want to ask a few things:
Does the HTC 10 have more problems with SD cards than other phones in your opinion?
Should I use my new card as internal storage again or do you recommend to use it as external storage?
Is it worthwhile to buy an expensive card? I laid my eyes on this one: SDSQXCG-064G-GN6MA (SanDisk Extreme PRO microSDXC Memory Card Plus SD Adapter up to 100 MB/s, Class 10, U3, V30, A1 - 64 GB). It costs about 50€.
I hope that you want to share your thoughts with me.
Regards,
Benjamin
If the card was inexpensive and fast, I would think that the compromise made was on build quality/reliability. Using the card as internal storage will wear on the sdcard more than using it as external storage (more reads/writes, more heat) because it will store apps and app data on the sd card.
I don't think the HTC 10 has a problem with sd cards, I haven't heard this issue come up before.
If you have enough space for apps on the internal storage, I would recommend keeping the sd card as external storage.
However, if you still need to use a card as internal storage, you definitely want to get a more expensive card.
Sandisk extreme pro is a good choice because it's made for use with devices like GoPros that do constant writing for extended periods of time, meaning that they can handle the heat that builds up when constantly writing to the sd card.
Sometimes it could really just be pure chance, maybe you got a bad card that died early, but I definitely think it would have lasted longer as external storage.
I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had a similar problem with any phone with an sd card as internal storage.
The thing is - current sd card technology is not suitable for adoptable storage. Multiple read write proceses are killing memory cards. So, until someone makes a card that can take the beating of multiple read write proceses, just use your card as it's ment to be used - as a removable storage and you'll be just fine [emoji6]
Thank you both for your well formulated and competent response.
I've taken all these points into consideration when I chose to use my first SD card as internal storage. I really would like to know if a high quality card could last the expected lifetime of my HTC 10 when using it as internal storage. I wanted to avoid the limitations Google imposed on write access to the external card but when I saw the limitations of the internal storage solution I was unsure if it was a good decision.
It's good to hear that you do not have the experience that the HTC 10 has a problem with SD cards. With that information in mind I can buy an expensive SD card with good conscience.
voxibanez said:
I'd be interested to know if anyone else has had a similar problem with any phone with an sd card as internal storage.
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Let's hope that more users are going to share their opinion with us.
I've just sent back my second SanDisk Extreme PRO card in 18 months. The first one stopped working after just 4 months in the HTC 10, the second one a few weeks ago. The circumstances were identical, I wrote larger amounts of data in a short time and the phone started saying that the card has to be formatted. I could use a reader connected to my laptop to get most of my data back, but the phone insisted on a format. I'm not sure if it was the SanDisk cards or the phone, either way, I ordered a Samsung card this time. Luckily amazon.de is extremely customer friendly and just gave me my money back in both cases.
I always use transcend, I've had a 128gb external SD card in since may 2016, all camera shots goto external card, all flashing and backups goto external card. Never had a problem, touch wood ?
Guys, are any of you using Spotify? I have consistently had microSD cards die after downloading songs for offline use i.e. two phones and three different microSD cards.
I use a Samsung evo card as removable storage since January, never had any problems with it. They are a bit more expensive, but it is worth it in my opinion. I use it mainly for Spotify and Netflix downloads as well as pictures (wallpapers) and ringtones... Don't use a rather inexpensive card as adoptable storage, since they are too slow. Or even expensive cards for that matter In a few years, sd cards will be fast enough, but not today. Also, I fail to see a practical use for using the card as adoptable storage as of right now since 32 gb are plenty of space for apps
bopsch said:
I use it mainly for Spotify and Netflix downloads as well as pictures (wallpapers) and ringtones...
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I did not know that it is possible to tell the Spotify app to use external storage. Will try when I get my new card.
bopsch said:
Don't use a rather inexpensive card as adoptable storage, since they are too slow. Or even expensive cards for that matter In a few years, sd cards will be fast enough, but not today. Also, I fail to see a practical use for using the card as adoptable storage as of right now since 32 gb are plenty of space for apps
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I'm going to buy a card produced by a reputable company this time, for sure. But I thought that cards with the A1 specification (Application performance class] would be fast enough for use as adopted storage. But you are right, 32 Gb is a lot of space for apps.
eTaurus said:
I did not know that it is possible to tell the Spotify app to use external storage. Will try when I get my new card.
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Actually, if Spotify recognises your sd card as removable storage, it even is the default setting
bopsch said:
I use a Samsung evo card as removable storage since January, never had any problems with it. They are a bit more expensive, but it is worth it in my opinion. I use it mainly for Spotify and Netflix downloads as well as pictures (wallpapers) and ringtones... Don't use a rather inexpensive card as adoptable storage, since they are too slow. Or even expensive cards for that matter In a few years, sd cards will be fast enough, but not today. Also, I fail to see a practical use for using the card as adoptable storage as of right now since 32 gb are plenty of space for apps
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I've used Samsung evo and Sandisk Ultra Extreme and the both failed a short time after downloading Spotify songs!
I've had a Transcend 64GB card fail after a few months. It was inserted as external storage and I was able to recover its contents on a PC. I was able to put it back in the phone without formatting it, just tried a few times until eventually it worked.
It happened when it was very hot outside, not sure if this is related or not. I wonder how many failed cards are failing during hot weather, during heavy phone use, or in hot climate areas.
I've switched to a Samsung 128GB evo plus now, u3 speed, so far so good. Fingers crossed. Judging by this thread though, it does seem that this phone kind of eats through SD cards.
adibadi said:
Judging by this thread though, it does seem that this phone kind of eats through SD cards.
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This is precisely what I wanted to know in this thread. Before buying my first card for the HTC 10 I read a number of threads that suggested this phone specifically has problems with cards bigger than 64 GB. But the reaction to my thread doesn't seem to be so hysterical to me.
I been using a Toshiba Exceria M302 128GB as external storage since the phone first launched and it hasn't failed on me yet, touchwood. Although I only been using up to around 50GB usage, I have re-download my Spotify collection a couple times.
The SD card in my HTC 10 is going on 15 months old, and it's still ticking. I have never used it as adaptive storage. It just stores photos taken on the camera (which are backed up to Google Photos). Some games offer to save data onto the SD card, so I do that as well. It's a Samsung 64GB PRO (class 10).
Not sure if the UHS-1/3 cards will fare better.