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donut for hero?

Hi all, are there any Android donut ROMs for the HTC hero? I know there are some for some other android phone but are there any ports for the hero ?

If there were, you think it wouldn't show up? Have some patience, the device hasn't even been out for a month yet.

Sykow said:
If there were, you think it wouldn't show up? Have some patience, the device hasn't even been out for a month yet.
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There was no need for that kind of reply...

Sorry for asking.

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Sorry for asking.
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lol! well i too am just wondering why there has not been a rom for the phone yet!
Yeah i hear the "its only been out for a month" but seriuosly??? the magic had roms before that but just by looking at the hero forums there doesnt seem anyone to be working on cooking roms..

exactly my point minogue, i know it might be tough to make the ROMs but its not like it can't be done

Well the phone has been rooted already.
However many people rooted their magic and g1 to install the htc Hero rom. And I guess since we have an HTC Hero, developers are not interested in making roms or optiming the current HTC Hero Rom.

yea well I still dont understand why they wouldnt want to optimize the hero its supposed to be the best android phone yet wouldn't they want to play around with it and see what they can make out of it?

Well hopefully HTC will release an update soon. It's said to be released within next months.

yea at least the update is out soon so I guess well all just have to wait

as i have said before
i too find it very strange that no chef is on board with us hero users
as we all know the chefs like to come/be first.....and we have nobody
unless the HTC update is all we need

Yeah, i was kinda hoping Cyanogen would get himself a Hero and start optimizing the ROM to improves speed, along with maybe some extra Donut features.
But i think the problem with the Hero's Sense UI is that it's not open source and so you're not allowed to tweak or mess with it. Only the underlying Android is open source and so may be meddled with and distributed.

Cobblers! Windows mobile is not open source and that's been getting cooked for years!
The main reason i reckon is because we already have what everyone wants....that's why the roms are all adding Hero stuff to the Magic.
They'll be here soon enough, in the meantime, be happy with the fact that you have what everyone else wants...!

I believe that Paul from Modaco is going to be cooking soon.
He's already posted stock unbranded and branded ROM's and mentioned cooking up a ROM with new Sense UI stuff soon.
I hope it's True. Paul's bits on using recovery image has already got me rooting and doing nandroid backups etc (I supplied the stock t_mobile rom to him as a result)

I guess that most people (like myself) just have no need for an other rom. I can already do everything I want and I have only minor speed problems from time to time. So I think motivation is very low right now on the rom front. This of course will change with a new Android version or updates Sense UI. Until then I'll code apps instead of messing around with the rom.

AndoMarc said:
I guess that most people (like myself) just have no need for an other rom. I can already do everything I want and I have only minor speed problems from time to time. So I think motivation is very low right now on the rom front. This of course will change with a new Android version or updates Sense UI. Until then I'll code apps instead of messing around with the rom.
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Yep, nothing much out there yet.
If we do get people working on speed improvements/optimisations then that will be great. Back on my touch HD some of the roms were very slick.
Sense UI upgrades are main thing, along with new versions of Android itself. We'll probaly get them faster as rom's here than official upgrades

AndoMarc said:
I guess that most people (like myself) just have no need for an other rom. I can already do everything I want and I have only minor speed problems from time to time. So I think motivation is very low right now on the rom front. This of course will change with a new Android version or updates Sense UI. Until then I'll code apps instead of messing around with the rom.
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You wouldnt want to customize something that is allready very good? If I could I would optimize it so its even greater than It Is. But that's just me I guess other people dobt wabt to make something that Is great greater

I believe the reason there is no cooking going on is the fact that there is nothing to upgrade yet. The Hero ROMs that are available right now are the latest thing, there is nothing newer so there is nothing to upgrade or borrow from better ROMs. Once there are newer phones and/or ROMs the cooking should start itself

Biffert said:
I believe the reason there is no cooking going on is the fact that there is nothing to upgrade yet. The Hero ROMs that are available right now are the latest thing, there is nothing newer so there is nothing to upgrade or borrow from better ROMs. Once there are newer phones and/or ROMs the cooking should start itself
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Errrr NO. I've seen roms for magic that include a lot of the new donut performance stuff. so there is newer stuff out there.

barryallott said:
Errrr NO. I've seen roms for magic that include a lot of the new donut performance stuff. so there is newer stuff out there.
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The donut stuff came from a developer release by Google. Its not from another phone.

Froyo + Sense ROM?

Is there a stable Froyo with Sense out there, one based on the Evo's ROM cause I did flash a rom by avalaunch. But it was based on the desire. I didn't like that and it didn't seem as fluid. So my question is... Is there a Froyo with Sense ROM out there thats stable and based on the Evo? and if there is what features are not working (if any) thank you

So far, all the FroYo roms are missing ( at the very least ) the back camera & 4G. However DamageControl & Cyanogen should have working ROM's within the next few days. Cyanogen will be AOSP, but i think DC might be Sense UI.

I initially thought I'd want an AOSP rom but after trying them I much prefer Sense, mainly for the widgets. Lets hope DC has sense! Wouldnt that be a slap in the face to HTC devs who need until December to complete it.. and DC does it with 2 devs in their spare time?

OneStepAhead said:
I initially thought I'd want an AOSP rom but after trying them I much prefer Sense, mainly for the widgets. Lets hope DC has sense! Wouldnt that be a slap in the face to HTC devs who need until December to complete it.. and DC does it with 2 devs in their spare time?
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Htc devs are in no rush and it's not due to be released in December but BY December meaning any time until then

Is there any time frame for when DC development will come out with froyo with sense ROM. I currently am running DC 3.2.3. If they release it will it be listed in DCupdater?

From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.

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From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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I don't think that's true... The source code is released so anyone can compile it whenever. That's the whole point of it being open.
Where did you hear that?

hved999 said:
Is there any time frame for when DC development will come out with froyo with sense ROM. I currently am running DC 3.2.3. If they release it will it be listed in DCupdater?
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I've been stalking the DC thread for the past few days & it looks like they're starting to wrap things up. They didn't give an exact ETA, but based off the few comments they have made, i'd guess within the next few days ( i would love it for this weekend ), but i guess we'll just have to wait & see .

eskomo said:
From what I understand Google will not let anyone release 2.2 until N1 has it for a while. HTC has no control over it. It is google's way of keeping the N1 atop of the phone ladder. The same will happen with the next version. Its google's game, we have to play by their rules.
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Well, not entirely. When Google is finished testing on their "standard" hardware (in this case, the Nexus One) they will designate a final version. Then, HTC needs to get hold of this final version and add support for any unique hardware or software that their devices have. Think of it like release candidates and RTM versions of Windows. PC manufacturers get hold of the release candidates and test versions so that they can develop drivers and make sure their devices all work with the new OS. Then they get the final version, tweak what needs to be tweaked, run it through bug testing, and then pass it along.
In this case, HTC has to get the final version, make sure all of their apps and drivers work, make sure it works on their phones, and then pass it to Sprint for *more* testing to make sure it plays nice with the network and performs well.

Veritas06 said:
I've been stalking the DC thread for the past few days & it looks like they're starting to wrap things up. They didn't give an exact ETA, but based off the few comments they have made, i'd guess within the next few days ( i would love it for this weekend ), but i guess we'll just have to wait & see .
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I am aware that for many ROMs the camera doesn't work. Will it be working DC's ROM? And will it have sense? Is there any speculations of certain features not working? sorry these questions but since you have been "stalking" their thread you would know this stuff more than other (atleast I guess).

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I am aware that for many ROMs the camera doesn't work. Will it be working DC's ROM? And will it have sense? Is there any speculations of certain features not working? sorry these questions but since you have been "stalking" their thread you would know this stuff more than other (atleast I guess).
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According to a Tweet from Damageless himself last night "finishing porting cameras to Android 2.2... getting close."
Also the ROM will include Sense w/ the option to disable if desired.
-kp

kperry1911 said:
According to a Tweet from Damageless himself last night "finishing porting cameras to Android 2.2... getting close."
Also the ROM will include Sense w/ the option to disable if desired.
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Thank you very much. Is there a approximate release date for the ROM?

[Q] [Help] Which is the best ROM?

Now, I'm an android noob. I have noticed that there are several different [ROMS] for the G2, but I am not sure which one works the best, or is the best. I have tried reading what they have, but I get lost in the technical mumbo jumbo like streamlined or deoxied or whatever, and kitchen and prebaked...
Can you guys give your opinions on which [ROM] you guys use / think is the best, and why?

You should stick with stock.

Try them all and see what fits you best, each rom has perks over other roms.

Really the first step is rooting then backing up your stock rom and finally flashing different roms to see what you like. Id start with a sense rom so you can see the differences in layout and features.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

Its all a matter of peronal preferance. I personally like the sense roms but I also like cyanogen's ROMs. Sense is a memory hog but its got cool features while stock and cyanogen roms are fast and stable. So there really isn't any "best" rom per say...but go root ur phone and try em all till you find one u like.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Next let's start a thread that says [Q][Help] What should my favorite food be?
Really, it's all a matter of preference. Is there any specific feature about having root that you want over stock? Perhaps you want to avoid the tethering charge or to theme it up some. If that's all you really want to do, stick with a stock,rooted, deodexed rom. If you love having lots of options and new settings and to have better performance, try cyanogenmod. Does stock android not satisfy you? Maybe you want a sense rom. Or maybe you want a sense-based expresso rom. The only person that can decide what is best is you, the user. What you need your phone to do is different than anyone else. Oh, and welcome to XDA, the place where dreams are possible, boundaries are broken, and questions end up in the development forum.

Yeah personally I'm a fan of Cyanogen but you can try any of them out. But just so you're aware, there will be many many more ROMs soon enough, we haven't even had perm root for a month yet
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

If you are new to the whole scene, you should just sit back and wait right now, and be paitient. Every non-stock ROM out there right now has lots of issues.
We will have more stable versions of the Desire Sense ROMs and of course the CM stable ROM soon.
It's fun to experiment, though. Just perm-root, do a NANDroid backup, and flash away. You can always revert back to stock.
The most functional and stable setup I've tried so far is Stock with OTA, perm-root, and bacon bits. I'm also overclocked at 1.497GHz with no issues. Everything just works, and is lightning fast.

I'm also new to the android world and am curious as well. I get lost when reading and trying to understand exactly what's being talked about. Me, I'm looking for having great battery life and remove some of these stock apps that I'll never use and I dont like looking at. Is a ROM basically a copy of another phones UI?

That's what i'm wondering about too.
I believe they should make a thread with all the roms.
I want a rom with HTC sense that is based on Android 2.2 (froyo?)

If you want a fast rom that's stock but doesn't have all the bs bloatware.. then root your g2, over clock to ~1ghz and get root explorer and you can go into system/apps (I think) and delete the apks you don't use.. which is what I do. Therefore your on stock froyo, quicker and less bloatware.. if you want a stock froyo sense rom then try our modacos rom.. it has a kitchen (basically you can use this to pick what apps you want installed in the rom and which you dont) I haven't tried the virtous rom yet.. but I don't doubt its great.. like someone already said.. if your new you should wait till more roms come out. Focus on learning about perm root(theres a video out there) and how to do the basics like overclocking(there's a video somewhere too)... then move from there when we have more developed roms. Even thou cyanogen is very stable and runs well.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Cyanogenmod-6.1.0-RC1 is the best

convolution said:
That's what i'm wondering about too.
I believe they should make a thread with all the roms.
I want a rom with HTC sense that is based on Android 2.2 (froyo?)
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Here's some advice dog, hopefully from reading my story you will have a better grasp of what's the best way to tackle your new android phone.
I started with the g1 sometime back in 08 which stayed stock until I decided to dunk it in the local river on a date (bad one at that), didn't even know you could modify those phones at that time. Picked up a cliq xt and discovered about what root meant (even thought I didn't REALLY understand). After rooting the phone via adb (very scary as I had no experience) and flashing a rom (lucky I didn't brick the ****) I decided I needed to read more..not just about the xt but about other phones and android period. At that point in time all I had was Modmymobile.com which was scarce as far as knowledge goes due to small developer base (can't blame them). After sucking up all I could I started cruising forums dealing with other phones and decided to get a captivate. The captivate was cool, but was still very new. After bricking two captivates (due to ****ty hardware lock) and tired of dealing with bad att coverage I came back to tmobile and picked up the vibrant. I'll tell you this I had FUN with the vibrant in spite of not having froyo, the vibrant guys have a strong deveolper base and Eugene is a very bright developer along with the guys at Team Whiskey. Sadly, TouchWhiz and no hardware keyboard pushed me to talk to tmobile about the g2 in which they offered me one via straight exchange. The root hassle ensued and I read more and more. Here I am today!
Basically, I read. Like..alot. And when I didn't feel like reading anymore, I would find a new android topic to read on. This didn't come without consequence though, as stated I bricked two captivates ( actually my fist vibrant along with a second g2). Don't be afraid to jump into adb, just be smart about it.
You'll also be surprised at what you learn from cruising the other phone forums too.
On that thought, a Bible thread like the SGS guys have would be sweet!
-Cody

shady503403 said:
If you want a fast rom that's stock but doesn't have all the bs bloatware.. then root your g2, over clock to ~1ghz and get root explorer and you can go into system/apps (I think) and delete the apks you don't use.. which is what I do. Therefore your on stock froyo, quicker and less bloatware.. if you want a stock froyo sense rom then try our modacos rom.. it has a kitchen (basically you can use this to pick what apps you want installed in the rom and which you dont) I haven't tried the virtous rom yet.. but I don't doubt its great.. like someone already said.. if your new you should wait till more roms come out. Focus on learning about perm root(theres a video out there) and how to do the basics like overclocking(there's a video somewhere too)... then move from there when we have more developed roms. Even thou cyanogen is very stable and runs well.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App
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I just installed the Virtuous ROM and it works great. As for Oc'ing, I don't think I'll need all the processing power. Not like I'm encoding videos or anything. I don't wanna waste the batteries. I COULD underclock it...
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What are the criteria for judging ROM? What make's one better than the other? If I have like 10 roms all featuring the HTC Sense... What makes 1 more superior than the other, other than subjective feel, ie: "It runs smoother", or, "It runs faster and is more stable."
Are there any definitive proof with numbers? Anything we can use to test ROM performance, akin to Quadrant testing phone performance?

you will get different quadrant scores on different ROMs, the only best ROM is the one you made, or whatever ROM you decide to use

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I just installed the Virtuous ROM and it works great. As for Oc'ing, I don't think I'll need all the processing power. Not like I'm encoding videos or anything. I don't wanna waste the batteries. I COULD underclock it...
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I actually get BETTER battery life since overclocking...go figure.

Awww. I want a definitive concrete, scientific method of measuring the performance of the ROMs. I'm pretty happy with the Virtuous FastBoot... From off to up and running was like 3 seconds...
@ post above
you be trolling.

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...welcome to XDA, the place where dreams are possible, boundaries are broken, and questions end up in the development forum.
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HAHAHAHA...dude, you just made my new sig...and I'm sorry I know my post has no meaning...
Ok here's some info: OP you need to read this. Even if some of it is "technical mumbo jumbo" I'm sure you'll get the point: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838484
Also do your flashing from recovery. Always backup before trying new things. And for best performance, wipe between roms...

all i could get form that is don't mess with hboot and install rom via recovery...
so does that mean as long as I use ROM manager I'm safe?
and I apologize
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mumbo jumbo-> Jargon

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[Q] Thoughts on ROMs other than Cyanogen...

Just curious what people like other than Cyanogen. If CM (which seems to be the favorite) didn't exist, which would you choose?

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Well, yeah man, but I was hoping we could do it constructively. There's no need to go off on him. Even if you're right, you'd get more sympathy from people by skipping the name-calling. Sorry if you think I'm out of bounds. Just trying to be fair.

well, i loved 3rd sense untill i decided to play with themes... great froyo/sense rom

Well I enjoy any AOSP Roms, trying to stay away from sense Roms. I seen so much of it on my touch pro 2.
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Ok, I'm sorta indifferent as to which roms are my favorite, etc.
When I got my original myTouch, I was a religious Jesterdroid/Pandoradroid user [stock Android, themed, with some ported Cyan goodies as well as some MotoBlur enhancements and animations]. I was sorta afraid, if anything, to use anything different, since every time I flashed a different ROM, one of the phone's capabilities would be wonky [ie camera would be weird, soft keyboard would randomly FC out of nowhere, various apps weren't compatible, etc].
When I got my slide, the first thing I flashed was Cyanogenmod, and it was a totally new experience, but I missed the Stock Sense that the Slide came with. When 3rd Sense came out, I hopped onto that bandwagon and used that religiously until CM 6.1.1 came out, and everything worked. Everything.
I like the organization and flow of Sense a lot, because I like seeing a contact being connected through Peep [Twitter], Dialer [Phone], and Friendstream [Facebook] in one place, as opposed to many different places that stock Android has. HTC has it right in terms of their UI. Although it can get really bogged down at times, since a lot of things are running at once, I prefer Sense over Stock Android.
But at the moment, the only decent Sense rom [for the Slide] needs the Froyo kernel from T-Mo, so it still isn't working 100%. I know that once it drops [IF it drops] 3rdSense will come up to par with Cyanogenmod. But until then, I'm sticking with CM.
[and I'm currently using CM with Cyanoginger flashed over it]

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Well, yeah man, but I was hoping we could do it constructively. There's no need to go off on him. Even if you're right, you'd get more sympathy from people by skipping the name-calling. Sorry if you think I'm out of bounds. Just trying to be fair.
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What you said wasn't out of bounds at all.
I'm also currently on 3rd sense and would love to see another update of it. It's pretty close to perfection. MusicMan and etu_aty have also posted respectable roms. You don't see much Espresso stock in all its glory or a decked out Froyo. Actually, you don't see those at all. This is exactly what we need. I'm a fan of Cyanogen roms, but we don't need copycat roms (even if the source code is different than Cyanogen's) trying to be better when they offer the same thing as the last rom.
I love CR_Mod. Chiefz seemed to let it go for now and MusicMan came and did something with it. Cyanoginger is also a fresh take on the CM source with further advances to working properly. And really, all roms seem to be pretty fast so they're just about equal in speed. The fact that there's less bloatware makes it even smoother. These are exactly what we need.

This thread is asking for comments on roms you LIKE, other than CM, it is not a place to flame other members. Any more of this flaming/disrespecting others will result in infractions.
I couldn't care less if people like or dislike a particular rom or dev, I do however care that recently people have been using this forum to vent their anger at others. I'm not prepared to let this continue. If you have a problem with someone take it to PM or report their post. Let this serve as the one and only warning that I will start issuing infractions if this behaviour continues.
I should point out that this is a general warning to everyone, not just the people who have recently had posts deleted in other threads.

To answer the op, cyanogenmod is the rom of choice because people love customization. Plus people like solid roms. From experience, cm has more features and is more stable. Plus, if google ever releases a new version of android, cyanogen is usually the first to give it to us. I think i just have cyanogenmod loyalty since our G1s stopped getting OTAs after 1.6 and cyanogen kept us up-to-date. I've tried sense roms on the G1 one. They ran so slowwwwwwwwwww!
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App

I'm also a big fan of CM but unfortunately, it gave me a huge problem for some reason where I couldn't call one of my contacts. I was helped through it by T-Mo tech support for about a month and eventually I just decided it must be the ROM so I unrooted and everything's been fine. Clearly some combination of the root and my network connection didn't gel. So, sadly, I had to give up CM 6.0. I was hoping to inspire some good dialogue about the functionality of other ROMs to see what people think about the other things going on in the Slide ROM world.

Those of you who have said "other", let us know which ones and why!

How customizable is this phone?

Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!

gibawatts said:
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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Assuming you have the Verizon model....Once you use Sunshine to S-Off this phone the world is your oyster. Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
The combination of the above and that HTC makes what I think are the most gorgeous looking and well built phones...it's been a win win for me since my Thunderbolt lol

gibawatts said:
Hello guys!
I had experiences with several brands. I gave up Samsung due to the Knox Counter and Sony due to the DRM keys. The best experience so far I had with my late Nexus 5! How easy is to customize the HTC 10? I never had HTC's before. Regarding ease of customization, bootloader unlock and warranty how does it go? I am about to return an Axon 7 and maybe exchange it with a 10.
Thanks in advance!
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I've had a huge amount of devices, ( look at my sig and you'll see) and I've always come back to HTC, reason being is that they offer something a little different, but what's more they always have the most talented developers and the oldest serving, on XDA, Villain rom, etc, they always come up with the goods.
Not to mention that the root, unlocking of the bootloader and s-off (if you s-off) is reversible. Samsung is not, as it has an efuse chip as does the nexus too AFAIK.
There literally isn't anything you can't change on this device and with pretty much any other htc device, if you've had a htc before and gone on to something else, Sony or Sammy are good examples, you'll always be looking back over the fence, and when a new HTC comes out you'll just hate your current device, eg: I got rid of a six month old nexus 6P for this 10
Just unlock the bootloader, s-off if you must or want to, I believe that you can flash firmwares easier with it switched off, it's £20 so not great but it always works, install a custom recovery and flash away.
In terms of roms, Venom probably offers the most comprehensive list of tweaks and mods but LeeDroid is equally as good and as customizable, perhaps not with the length of venom tweaks but still great. Other roms I can guess are similar and when CM is completely fixed, well start seeing CM, AOSP and similar roms heading for us too.
In short, the answer to your question is a huge yes, I don't think I'll ever get another Samsung or Sony again, nothing wrong with them, they're just not for me and I'll miss HTC if I do.

Stripped, themed, ghostpeppered, and running like a bat out of hell....
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bakemcbride21 said:
Great/robust dev community and help/support/guides to assist you through anything you want to do with your phone.
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I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.

SlowRain said:
I hope I can piggy-back off of this thread just a bit.
When you refer to the developer community for HTC, are you referring particularly to here on XDA-Developers, or in general everywhere? I'm thinking of getting an HTC 10, but I'm wondering the best/simplest way to keep it going with Android updates well past HTC's stated support period. I haven't done anything with my HTC Incredible S, but I'm looking to be a bit more proactive with my next phone. What are some of the more stable ROMs that you--or anyone else, for that matter--would recommend to keep this phone continually updated for years to come? Longevity is important to me.
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Long time Samsung user here. I got my US unlocked HTC 10 a few months ago. Best phone I ever had. Would not even consider an S7 in comparison.
The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid. I've tried both and prefer Viper. I think that would be your long-term solution. Get an unlocked 10 if you can afford to for maximum flexibility and choice of service providers. Unlock the bootloader, S-Off, and flash Viper. You can't go wrong in my opinion.
BTW, this is just a general discussion thread. Each Rom, Kernel, recovery, etc etc have their own dedicated threads where you'll find in-depth info.

Aurelius99 said:
The two primary Sense-based Roms for the 10 are Viper and LeeDroid.
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Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?

Thanks guys, still considering the 10. Now I am between the 10, 6P and Pixel XL. The painful fact is that I am currently with no phone. When I went to return the Axon, there were no 10s in stock at the store. The wait for the Pixel is just killing me! And to worsen things a bit, I just ran into a 128 GB Nexus 6P. I am a real sucker for OLED screens you, know? That is why I still didn't buy the 10.

SlowRain said:
Are there any inherent advantages of a Sense-based ROM in terms of stability or ease of installation? Sorry for such a pedestrian question, but is there anything as simple as good ol' Nexus-style vanilla Android, or is that something that's even too easy to be asking about?
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Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.

Aurelius99 said:
Gawd, I could never go back to stock. Most people want a custom Rom firstly to get rid of all the bloatware installed by their service providers. Apps you'll never use, sitting there taking up space and even running in the background. Then there is the customizing you can do to set up your phone just how you want it. However, HTC has promised us that they will be providing us with a Rom upgrade to Android 7 in a couple of months and that Rom may be nice as-is. Bottom line - if you want maximum control over your 10, go custom. If stock meets your needs stay with that.
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I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)

SlowRain said:
I'm sorry, I may not have been clear. I was asking about a Sense-based ROM vs. stock Android (not stock Sense). I'd like it as simple, stripped down, and Nexus-like as possible, but I don't know how much tinkering each modder does with their various ROMs. I also want a ROM from a modder who will support it down the road for several Android versions, but I seem to have an answer to that question already. What I don't understand yet is the likelihood of stock/vanilla Android running smoothly on the HTC 10. Is that what's being called AOSP, or is that something else entirely?
(For what it's worth, I'd be getting the international version, called the M10h, I believe.)
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AOSP is the Android Open Source Project. Yes, this is sometimes referred to as the "stock" Rom. Google provides the code base for the stock Rom. Various developers use this code base and then add their own code enhancements to produce an extended version of the stock Rom. Most custom Roms are Cyanogenmod-based. This is the company that has put their particular twist on the stock Rom. A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
Some people actually do prefer the more standard stock Rom for various reasons. It is simpler and typically more robust for dealing with the limited and specific tasks it was designed for. A good custom Rom can be just as robust as stock in every way, but also allows the user to do much more with the phone. It can be overclocked to run much faster, have better audio, a highly customizable user interface, and so on.
Viper, on the Sense-based side, and Resurrection Remix on the Cyanogenmod-based side are both better than the stock Rom in my view and people using those Roms get many more updates to their Roms via the developers than stock Rom users do. Some developers are still producing custom Roms for the Samsung SII -- a very old phone that Samsung dropped support for years ago.
Check this out for the HTC 10:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development/rom-21-02-viper10-1-0-0-tweaks-hub-t3379151

Aurelius99 said:
A Sense-based Rom is yet another enhanced version of the stock Rom. Both use the same AOSP code base and customize it in various ways and for various phones.
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Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?

SlowRain said:
Can I assume a Sense-based ROM will have a better chance of everything working properly (ie. camera, NFC, audio, etc.) since it's starting off with something further down the fork in AOSP designed specifically for the HTC 10? Or am I misunderstanding how ROMs work?
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Haha, you're really doing your research.
Yes, a sense based ROM is less likely to have bugs, however bugs are usually listed in the OP of every rom thread. A matured AOSP ROM won't have anything broken, but things may not work as well or as intended by HTC.
I think sense based is the way to go with this device, lots of good features HTC has developed that work well with the phone like the camera application and blinkfeed. Not to mention the polished look of the phone in general and the underrated theme store, it just works well together. You'd lose all of that with AOSP, not so much key features not working.

BadUsername said:
Haha, you're really doing your research.
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Yes. It's my most annoying characteristic, according to my wife. Now I just have to find a developer who keeps things simple & stable, and who will support it until 2021.
Thanks for your replies. And I apologize to gibawatts for hijacking this thread a bit. I hope it was still useful for you, too.

Did you guys decide?
It's still $150 off, which assisted me in my decision to go from the Nexus 5 to the htc 10 (and a nice, even doubling for us OCD types).
My short answer: the htc 10 is ever-so-slightly less customisable than the Nexus 5; I've installed everything on it that I had on the Nexus (SuperSU, Xposed, Gravitybox, Xprivacy, AdAway, etc.). N-ify works on it.
My only "issue" so far is that GravityBox can't remove the Calculator and Extreme Power Saver quicktile htc put there..real fine points here. (I've only had the thing 2 days, so there may be more but no show-stoppers for a purist like me). Sense 8 is more like an alternative launcher than an overhaul like TouchWiz or old versions of Sense. Wife likes it (coming from her N5/NovaLauncher) and I'm giving it a whirl.
Manual firmware updates would be the only caveat AFAICT but that is still better than what I had with N5: OTAs broke and I just never installed them due to lack of interest...not a habit I want to carry with me, however. My point being that the Nexus 5 was actually more of a hassle to me to update than what this seems like it would be (though I've not tested it yet but there's much discussion on the procedure here).
Wife is attached to OLED (SIII had a wonderful display) but she likes the htc 10 display and did not like the N5 display.

I love the feedback you guys got/gave here. This here is a model XDA thread.
I would just like to add that HTC's Sense ROM is quite bare-boned compared to other non-Nexus OEMs. Compared to the Axon, it'll look almost like a Nexus device.
Everyone else pretty much covered the other important things. I'd like to point out that CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs for the HTC 10 are still a bit down the road and they still need quite a bit of work, so when you get it, expect to either stay with Sense, or Sense-based custom ROMs for at least the next few months. No complaints on that from my side. Even if you do eventually flash CM/AOSP/Vanilla ROMs, I'll wager that you'll end up downloading some of HTC's apps, like Camera, Gallery, and Music. They blow away vanilla Android apps and 3rd party alternatives.

samisax said:
Compared to the Axon,...
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ZTE being mod-hostile turned me off to them; they have to establish a solid history of unlock/mod-friendliness for me to even look at them. (No, a press release stating that they would, in the future, answer questions from CyanogenMod folks to develop their ROM doesn't win me over in any way whatsoever.)
I surmised that the OnePlus 3 was too customised to be considered a Nexus spiritual successor (it was the phone I wanted to like/buy). Really, they only need to make good hardware and just use already-made AOSP and spend dev time getting drivers and such primo to have a winner (and with lower overhead) rather than trying to reinvent the wheel that nobody will want. It's like they're trying to sorta be Nexus and sorta be Sense/TouchWiz/et al but is there really a market for that? Is there really no market for Nexus? (I dunno...the Pixel thing has me befuddled and the no-more-Nexus thing has me ferhoodled.)
So, yeah, I'm liking the htc 10, which, being both funny and sad, I didn't even look at. My wife mentioned it and the $150 off, so we took a look and got'em. (I was still soured by my Evo 3D experience that led me to use then-Best Buy's 30-day return policy)
One more tid-bit I neglected to mention earlier: I'm glad I got the unlocked/dev version...no issue getting official RUUs all official-like, officially. I don't ever want to deal with "carrier" stuff.
P.S. Good to know about the camera, gallery, and music apps. Those are important to my wife (I'm happy with those being "functional" but also happy to just have the same software between us..easier to maintain and to answer her questions).