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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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Nope. The auto brightness is great. No trouble seeing anything on the screen.
That's a very good point, I've been using it outdoors and could see it perfectly!
so why go super amoled when amoled is enough? I mean they made super amoled to also curb the sunlight eligibility problem but after using my desire, I say "what problem are u talking about?" ...I was using a Samsung innov8 before and it was so much worse which is wat I call, looking at myself on the screen under direct sunlight....
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Perhaps it has been extra sunny recently, but even on full brightness I find it hard to see much detail on the screen
it's definitely harder to see in sunlight than an LCD screen (for example the iPhone's screen)
Desire screen maximum brightness: 229 cd/m2
iPhone screen maximum brightness: 428 cd/m2
The Desire display is also "glossier" than the iPhone's:
Desire screen reflectance of ambient light: 15.5 percent
iPhone screen reflectance of ambient light: 9.2 percent
Theres no question about it really, it's much harder to see in sunshine. (But the price is worth paying IMO)
I've had a couple of times I've needed to hold the phone at a bit of an angle to see some text properly, but it's not really been much more of an issue than LCDs on phones I've had in the past.
Blimey, I see night and day difference. The amoled screen in bright sunshine is pretty useless. Amazing indoors, perhaps equal in the shade, but something needs to be done for proper sunshine .
It does seem brighter when taking photos (in sunlight) than viewing apps
In my opinion, I think it IS harder to see in sunlight but it's not impossible and it's certainly not as bad as sites like engadget were making out.
I took my touch hd (lcd) and desire for a walk in typical extra sunny italian day, at 1PM: they both are hard to see if tilted so that the screen reflect the sky, they both have the same degree of reflection.
It's not impossible to see stuff but it is hard, by titling the phone so that it basically reflects your face it becomes quite bearable. Perhaps the desire can show a bit more detail if using black and white screens because of the higher contrast.
Regarding the previous comment about LCD being better than AMOLED in sunlight, I partly doubt it, since you used an iPhone as comparison which is well known to have a particularly bright and readable LCD screen (can't remember the technology now) basically like super-amoled stands to normal amoled.
I would have gladly taken super-amoled if it came on the desire even if it made the price a bit higher, that said the screen is so superb in normal conditions that I really can't complain...
get an anti glare screen protector but no more phone mirror if you do ofcourse
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not trying to be ignorant, but have you guys tried full brightness on the setting for the desire screen and go under sunlight?
i did some typing(well normal use test), and i can see the screen clearly actually...maybe i have bionic eyes
Yes have done and still find it relatively dim to see. Worse say that a camera LCD screen.
Desire IMHO already fares much better compared to Nexus One because the Light sensor is less prone to fluctuations, maybe at the expense of a little more battery juice but at least I am going ape-crazy with a glary reflection + incorrect screen brightness like on N1.
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I have hd2 and desire side by side, and desire is slightly less readable on direct sunlight.
But it is perfectly readable, there is no room for panic.
I have seen HD2 under sun, and it's far from perfectly readable. Actually, my Kaiser is better, and I am not happy how it looks under sun, so if Desire is even less bright I don't see how it can be good.
So far iPhone is really good under sun, every other phone is just more or less bad.
There was a video on youtube where they've put some 8-10 phones together on a table outside in a sunny day and the camera would sweep over them to see the degree of reflection and readability. It wasn't very accurate because it took some phones more tilted than others but it showed pretty clearly that the desire wasn't very different than most and that the iphone was quite better than the rest.
There is another video which compared super-amoled samsung to an iphone in direct sunlight and in that comparison the iphone seemed poor.
Cranking the brightness up to max I think doesn't have much difference than leaving the light sensor on, especially here in Italy where sun is quite strong. I've also done some comparisons and didn't see much difference.
Last thing: I have a Martin Fields screen protector on my touch hd and a cheap one on my desire and they both work equally well, so I really can't see the 13€ difference
I've never had a peroblem viewing the screen. My previous handset (Samsung i8910) also had an amoled screen and I didn't have any problems viewing the screen on that handset either.
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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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auto brightness is good enough for me :]
I did not see anywhere with this information. I would like to know if it is easy to see outdoors. This has been a problem for some devices and I thought that AMOLED was going to be better at this so I am surprised that this is TFT.
Thanks in advance to those lucky enough to have one.
Zar
Actually, it is the opposite. The TFT LCD screen is easier to see in sunlight than the AMOLED. The HTC Incredible is very bad in the sunlight. My iPhone with it's LCD was perfecftly readable in direct sunlight and I suspect the Evo will be as well.
with brightness on full, i am able to read it in direct sunlight, but it's kind of hard to see.
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Actually, it is the opposite. The TFT LCD screen is easier to see in sunlight than the AMOLED. The HTC Incredible is very bad in the sunlight. My iPhone with it's LCD was perfecftly readable in direct sunlight and I suspect the Evo will be as well.
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Not necessarily, your iphone has a transflective like display, making it superior for outdoor view-ability. Most LCDs are not transflective/similar. I have a similar post asking the same general question here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=693013 if you watch the video from 2:20 on, you will see the iphone in general is 100x better than most LCD and OLED screens currently being used. But what the Evo has I don't know.
Thanks
Thanks for answering my question and the additional info regarding Transreflectinve LCD's.
All in all, I don't think that this will prevent me from getting one. My current WinMo phone already has this problem.
Regards,
Zar
i love HTC but all their device are horrible in sunlight including the SUPERSONIC.u'll c when u get one.
I had it in bright sunlight the other day. It is definitely not bright like inside, but definitely readable (way better than my old Tilt). But you do still have to deal with glare on that super shiny screen, so adjusting the angle a little may be necessary sometimes.
Don't know if it's just me. ... But last night I used the camera for the first time and while I was setting up the shot and focusing the colours looked great. .. nice and bright. .
But when I took the shot and viewed it back it looked really washed out and dim. Here's a quick pic I took last night in a relatively well lit room
All settings were standard and auto Flash. .
Am I doing something wrong?
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No, you are doing nothing wrong. That's how the camera behaves. And just turn off light and use flash to take the shot, you will also see how weak is the flash. Sorry to say, the camera is a downgrade for me coming from a SII. Now some people will say it takes great photos in outdoor with bright sunlight, well, even my mom's 5 year old Nokia which has a VGA camera will take good photos in same situation.
In short, the camera is below standard.
And, you need to use preset 'low light' for brighter photos, but you should keep your hands still.
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No, you are doing nothing wrong. That's how the camera behaves. And just turn off light and use flash to take the shot, you will also see how weak is the flash. Sorry to say, the camera is a downgrade for me coming from a SII. Now some people will say it takes great photos in outdoor with bright sunlight, well, even my mom's 5 year old Nokia which has a VGA camera will take good photos in same situation.
In short, the camera is below standard.
And, you need to use preset 'low light' for brighter photos, but you should keep your hands still.
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It so happens that I own the S2, S3 and now the Note 2.
It is definitely not a downgrade from the S2. The detail is sometimes better on the S2 that is true, but the field of view is better on S3/N2 and the color quality as well as photos in the dark (with the new lowlight option) are better by far.
Turn ON the Auto Contrast in the settings,unfortunately you have to do the same over and over again everytime you start the Camera Application.
Hello, guys, so during my use to another galaxy (Galaxy S plus) i saw that he has more light and its more colourfull than our phone at 100% brightness , and saw this light with new phones to (like , S3 MINI, S3 , S4 etc) !!
Is that possible that our phone is so bad at light, or just any sensor at my phone does not work ?
OK im talking about light sensor, does this phone have one ?
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Hello, guys, so during my use to another galaxy (Galaxy S plus) i saw that he has more light and its more colourfull than our phone at 100% brightness , and saw this light with new phones to (like , S3 MINI, S3 , S4 etc) !!
Is that possible that our phone is so bad at light, or just any sensor at my phone does not work ?
OK im talking about light sensor, does this phone have one ?
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It has got no light sensor. I suppose you know that all the other phones you mentioned are using AMOLED displays, right? Ancora is using a TFT display (and a pretty good one, in my opinion). About the brightness, I don't think I ever had any problem with that. So, unless you want extremely good visibility in direct sunlight conditions, I believe you will have no problem with Ancora's display brightness. As for the color reproduction, AMOLED displays are known for over saturating them. Some love it, some hate it. It's a matter of taste really. Personally I like it.
Also, this kind of questions might have been better asked in the Q&A section here in my opinion.
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It has got no light sensor. I suppose you know that all the other phones you mentioned are using AMOLED displays, right? Ancora is using a TFT display (and a pretty good one, in my opinion). About the brightness, I don't think I ever had any problem with that. So, unless you want extremely good visibility in direct sunlight conditions, I believe you will have no problem with Ancora's display brightness. As for the color reproduction, AMOLED displays are known for over saturating them. Some love it, some hate it. It's a matter of taste really. Personally I like it.
Also, this kind of questions might have been better asked in the Q&A section here in my opinion.
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ok thanks, the only problem i have, that this phone is not good at sunlight at even 100% brightness , and i thought that thers a fix about it , but meaby its the firmware problem , what baseband version are u using ? :cyclops:
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ok thanks, the only problem i have, that this phone is not good at sunlight at even 100% brightness , and i thought that thers a fix about it , but meaby its the firmware problem , what baseband version are u using ? :cyclops:
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In direct sunlight conditions, any TFT will fail. That's just the way it is. It's not the phone, it's the display technology behind the LCD panel.
It has no connection to the firmware, the ROM or the baseband. XXLM8 is the baseband I use but again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the display being able to withstand direct sunlight better than an AMOLED one.
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In direct sunlight conditions, any TFT will fail. That's just the way it is. It's not the phone, it's the display technology behind the LCD panel.
It has no connection to the firmware, the ROM or the baseband. XXLM8 is the baseband I use but again, that has absolutely nothing to do with the display being able to withstand direct sunlight better than an AMOLED one.
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ok thanks again, the only thing i can do atm is go buy another phone
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ok thanks again, the only thing i can do atm is go buy another phone
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You're welcome. If that low contrast in direct sunlight conditions bothers you so much, yeah, I think you will need a phone with an AMOLED display for better results.
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Hello, guys, so during my use to another galaxy (Galaxy S plus) i saw that he has more light and its more colourfull than our phone at 100% brightness , and saw this light with new phones to (like , S3 MINI, S3 , S4 etc) !!
Is that possible that our phone is so bad at light, or just any sensor at my phone does not work ?
OK im talking about light sensor, does this phone have one ?
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I compared my present S3mini with my prevoius SGW. The S3mini is having an AMOLED display as you already know. Those displays are having a warmwhite color, so the white is more yellowish compared to the SGW. The SGW was brighter than the S3mini when set the brightness to max. and it was better seen in sunlight. Plus the coldwhite produced by the LCD in the SGW is letting pics to appear more natural.
Oh and just by the way. Both to not have a light sensor and I´m not missing it. Neither missed it in the SGW nor in the S3mini.
So all in all the LCD display build in the SGW is really good and doesn´t have to hide behind a AMOLED display. There are even some advantages in using LCD´s over AMOLED´s. Of course an AMOLED has more saturated colors compared to an LCD but there is also an other side of the medal.
AMOLEDs are matureing faster. LED´s (used for the backlicht in LCDs) are getting mature too and loosing their brightness, but for AMOLEDs this is going to happen much faster. This has two reasons. One is because the pixels are organic and secound because of it´s size. A backlight LED has a much bigger size compared to a pixel in an AMOLED display. Because there each pixel is a single O(rganic)LED.
So let´s say after 10 years your LCD will only have 80% of the brightness it had at the beginning an AMOLED can be at 60% or even worse.
Last but not least. The very first OLED displays matured that fast you hardly could see something on them after 1/2 year of usage. (Had a MP3 Player with such a display)
hey are the viewing angles of this phone that bad bcoz i m going to buy this phone,i m using xperia m and i dont notice the contrast problems in it so are they good in comparison to m?and is the front cam placement really that akward and does the position of front cam really matter?plz rly i want to buy this phone!!!
Well the viewing angles are not the best, that's true. But why would you ever look at your phone from a weird angle? I like the display and have no complains.
Regarding the front cam, I don't really use it and if I do then in landscape, then the camera is in a very good spot I'd say.
Unless your trying to watch videos with several other people, the viewing angles are fine. Honestly, I never use the front cam... I can see that if you were trying to actually use your screen right handed while using the phone, it might be an issue... dunno.
It's reasonably fast... it does heat up if you use a significant amount of cpu/gpu horsepower while playing games.
Some folks have had issues with premature battery failure/shutdown...
The screen isn't quite as vivid as an amoled screen (think Samsung s4).
The camera takes decent daytime shots, but kind of falls off for low light shots.
Which carrier are you planning to use it with?
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I m frm india n in india we dont get carrier phones nyways thanks
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Unless your trying to watch videos with several other people, the viewing angles are fine. Honestly, I never use the front cam... I can see that if you were trying to actually use your screen right handed while using the phone, it might be an issue... dunno.
It's reasonably fast... it does heat up if you use a significant amount of cpu/gpu horsepower while playing games.
Some folks have had issues with premature battery failure/shutdown...
The screen isn't quite as vivid as an amoled screen (think Samsung s4).
The camera takes decent daytime shots, but kind of falls off for low light shots.
Which carrier are you planning to use it with?
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it isnt that vivid as s4 but is the screen disappointing?how is colur reproduction?
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Well the viewing angles are not the best, that's true. But why would you ever look at your phone from a weird angle? I like the display and have no complains.
Regarding the front cam, I don't really use it and if I do then in landscape, then the camera is in a very good spot I'd say.
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i m used to an xperia m n i dont really notice the viewing angles....r viewing angles of zl btr than of m?is the screen bright n vivid?is colour reproduction good?and is the glass protection as tough as gorrila glass?
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it isnt that vivid as s4 but is the screen disappointing?how is colur reproduction?
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Color reproduction seems decent... It's kind of like comparing a Plasma to an LED backlit LCD display... I think you get deeper blacks with AMOLED vs what I'd classify as more of a dark grey/light black on this...
Color's look great when you have contrast and brightness turned up.
I came from a Samsung Galaxy S3 (which my wife now uses)... This is faster... the display looks pretty good... it's really sharp... it's a pretty impressive screen and if I hadn't ever had an AMOLED screen on my Galaxy S3, I'd have thought this was exceptionally awesome... it's pretty good. I should re-lock my boot loader and see if the bravia engine really does make things look better again...
U mean colour reproduction is good even without bravia engine?!
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U mean colour reproduction is good even without bravia engine?!
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Colour reproduction is better with bravia engine set to off, bravia engine makes colours too vivid, you get more natural colours w/o bravia engine
The zl does not have a good viewing angle. But I used mine spot on. So no qualms about it. I bought it because of its compactness.
Anyway, I bought an Xperia C today, for my father. And guess what? Xperia C has better viewing angles.
I tested it. Auto brightness off, maximum brightness.
I'm wondering why the low priced Xperia C has a better viewing angle than the premium ZL.