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HSDPA

do not jump onme for this question....
DOES SPV M3100 with WM6.0 on it have HSDPA... because in the normal specification of the phone this is not specified...
i know there are a lot of threads saying something about the H icon... but no one answered if that is just an icon or really HSDPA enabled ROM

ccezar2004 said:
do not jump onme for this question....
DOES SPV M3100 with WM6.0 on it have HSDPA... because in the normal specification of the phone this is not specified...
i know there are a lot of threads saying something about the H icon... but no one answered if that is just an icon or really HSDPA enabled ROM
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The device is capable of it. However, whether or not you can see/use it depends on your carrier, availability in your coverage area and your SIM card.
Also most of the WM6 roms that I have tried have a performance app that allows you to enable/disable HSDPA.

i am asking this because in my area there are plans to "release" the HSDPA option... now if i connect to internet the 3g icon changes to H... as I read it is a normal behavior for HSDPA to be activated only when neded.... but i made a speed test... and all i could get was 145kb per sec... there are 2 possibilities... either it is only the icon of HSDPA and no real HSDPA capabilities, either, being in the test period, the speed isn't up to the full capabilities... i just don't know... the day i have noticed the H icon was the day i read the article about the intention to release the HSDPA in a few months... and also the day i (again) changed my rom from black 3.0.1. to dutty v2 (BT car kit issues)....

ok... did again a speed test on http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and the speed was between 300 and 340kb per sec... with a 600k file... so far from HSDPA... but.. still... i had H icon on my connection type....

You can also check the preconfig file in your /windows to see if hsdpa is enabled. Check the wiki, and theres also a thread on it somewhere. I would post the link but im at work w/ no time to search. good luck!

Hey check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305872
and note my post in it... but it does sound like you got HSDPA, the 600k is too small a sample to give a proper average.

ok... i read that also... another question... is it possible that my phone shows HSDPA connection although this is not available? 'cause i made another test with a 1MB package and this time i got 350kb per sec... so no real HSDPA... although the connection stated so...

ok... starting 25th of june my operator says that will "give tot the people" the new 3G+ with a transfer rate of 3,6Mb/sec... i think this is HSDPA?... right?...
as I said before my spv m3100 with wm6 showed me H icon and HSDPA connection active (in the connection buble) but no speed over 350Kb/s... the reason i think i got HSDPA connection is that of the test that i think the operator made before the big launch... but still... no HSDPA speed... i hope that i will get bigger speeds after the 25th of june....

H=HSDPA. Your carrier supports it....
however:
actual speed is affected by a number of issues. For example, a big one can be the speed of the data pipe connected to the cell towers.
What I'm saying here is this: Actual speed is based on the total bandwidth your carrier provides from your hermes all the way to their Internet connection. Just because the pipe to your hermes from the cell tower is 3mb/s dosen't mean your internet browsing speed will be that.

ccezar2004. you can try with Connex if it happened to go in Europe, I just retuned from Bucharest and 3.5G worked perfect with dual SIM, 450-500 kbps over UMTS 2.1 GHz spectrum
ccezar2004 said:
ok... starting 25th of june my operator says that will "give tot the people" the new 3G+ with a transfer rate of 3,6Mb/sec... i think this is HSDPA?... right?...
as I said before my spv m3100 with wm6 showed me H icon and HSDPA connection active (in the connection buble) but no speed over 350Kb/s... the reason i think i got HSDPA connection is that of the test that i think the operator made before the big launch... but still... no HSDPA speed... i hope that i will get bigger speeds after the 25th of june....
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I don't know your location but I would be amazed if you get more than about 1mb/s.
You are probably getting the H when the cell acknowledges that it has HSDPA - but the switches between the cell and the main network probably arent upgraded yet.
HSDPA is getting faster all the time though - in the UK we currently have about 1.2mb/s and expect 3mb/s by next year and maybe even 10mb/s in three years.

I'm only mentioning this as a 'just in case;'
If you're using PIE+ when doing your speed tests, disable PWO and then try it again.

yapp I've done the test when I visited my folks in Bucharest, H icon was there and both UL and DL were preety decent. Unfortunately we don't have yet UMTS in Canada, so all we can do is to wait

@ccezar:
im living in bucharest and hsdpa is working in some areas quite good, i got speeds of 800 kbps, which definitely is more than regular 3g. it all depends on the location, so i guess its no tytn fault, or whatever version of hermes you may have...

Iunutz6, Connex-Vod(k)afone is advertising 3.5G as so far I got from inside, they will incerease the speed to 7.2 Mbps. Just curious what would be UL and DL with a TYTN and with a normal PCMCIA 3G card, if are any differences, in Canada we won't have UMTS untill the end of the year

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Iunutz6, Connex-Vod(k)afone is advertising 3.5G as so far I got from inside, they will incerease the speed to 7.2 Mbps. Just curious what would be UL and DL with a TYTN and with a normal PCMCIA 3G card, if are any differences, in Canada we won't have UMTS untill the end of the year
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as far as i know, they are in tests and about to release the 1.3Mbps speed very soon, if not released already. as for the 7.2 Mbps, i havent heard anything, but i can check, i got connections inside.. maybe that means already 4g (WiMax), which is... long far away from here...
as for the differencies between 3g card and 3g capable phone, there should be no difference, as long as you can cponvince your tytn to act as a modem for your laptop, for example (internet sharing)..
is this what u asked me?

ok... I haven't read this for a long time... so... I have the M3100 with WM6 and HSDPA enabled.... stil the speed is regular 3G... 350-360kb/s... I don't know...

so... good news...
in the morning I have done the test on I don't know what site and it showed no HSDPA... now... dslreports.com is up again.... speed test... 1016kb/s... this is real mobile life
so... I HAVE HSDPA!!!

Getting "H" instead of 3G

For the past few days i have been getting a "H" by the bars instead of "3G". Any ideas, I am hoping its not for "Home" and i am loosing 3G
T-Mobile TP2 With Tmo WM 6.5

what carrier and what ROM?

Tmobile, With the new TMO 6.5

Be Happy!
Read the GOOD news.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=16066&news=T-Mobile+3G+HSPA+7.2Mbps+LTE

Yea i know of the upgrade. Dident think it would change the bars.

It's purely cosmetic anyways, I wouldn't worry too much about it. In fact, the setting can be changed in one or more of the tweak utilities. The Tilt 2 has the opposite issue. The stock ROM only shows 3G instead of H.

I'm on AT&T and I get the H all the time. I don't really notice any speed difference though.

donniesd said:
Tmobile, With the new TMO 6.5
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boy that sure would suck if we had to go back to the stock rom to get the"H"

innovator8 said:
boy that sure would suck if we had to go back to the stock rom to get the"H"
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well I jusr installed the new radio and I see no difference. I still show "h" sometimes and 3g other times. when I tether and use speedtest.net I still can't get over 1Mbps.

innovator8 said:
well I jusr installed the new radio and I see no difference. I still show "h" sometimes and 3g other times. when I tether and use speedtest.net I still can't get over 1Mbps.
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Doesnt the H has nothing to do with the radio rom?? it's just in what area you are where the signal is the strongest.. 3G, Hdspa, or Gprs.. In the stupid little pesantville i live i often get only 'G' for gprs,, i only get 3g in the big cities..
you just have 'H' because theres no strong 3G signal in your area

xdadJeroen said:
Doesnt the H has nothing to do with the radio rom?? it's just in what area you are where the signal is the strongest.. 3G, Hdspa, or Gprs.. In the stupid little pesantville i live i often get only 'G' for gprs,, i only get 3g in the big cities..
you just have 'H' because theres no strong 3G signal in your area
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Being in your shoes I would be happy to see H instead of 3G as it is 3.5G rather than 3G ;-)
H stands for the latest standard HSPA (where HSDPA --> High Speed Download & HSUPA --> HS Upload) while 3G is a generic High Speed network of 3rd generation.
With 3.5G one is getting up to 7.2Mbit per second Download and up to 2.4Mbit per second Upload while with 3G it is well below 1Mbit per second in both cases.
Of course, it is UP TO and depends on particular implementation...
Cheers.

ksmm said:
Being in your shoes I would be happy to see H instead of 3G as it is 3.5G rather than 3G ;-)
H stands for the latest standard HSPA (where HSDPA --> High Speed Download & HSUPA --> HS Upload) while 3G is a generic High Speed network of 3rd generation.
With 3.5G one is getting up to 7.2Mbit per second Download and up to 2.4Mbit per second Upload while with 3G it is well below 1Mbit per second in both cases.
Of course, it is UP TO and depends on particular implementation...
Cheers.
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h
there was an article last week about tmobile upgrading thier network to hspa, theoreticle 7.2Mbps. with the rom that came with my tmo tp2, i never showed the "h", when i went to the energyb rom series, i was often showing an "h" but there was no differance in my speed. it is clear to me that the tmo hspa 7.2 upgrade has not hit here in seattle yet. i just upgraded my radio as i saw that someone in a previous post has the official tmo 6.5 upgrade and he was gettting 4mbps.
i sure do hope that tmo gets this working in seattle soon...

Sorry, this doesn't mean anything usually. If you are running non-stock (aka flashed) then most likely it just is the ROM that changes the 3G to H. I am on ATT and that just is what took place of the 3G icon. It doesn't mean anything else. Now, on stock ROM's it could.

Connection jumping from 'H' to 'G'

Had my Desire for a while now, and I'm just wondering why my internet connection jumps from 'H' straight down to 'G', seemingly bypassing 3G.
Anyone else got this happening?

this happens to me but only when im on a train which is understandable
it shouldnt happen if you are stationary
HSUPA is 3G just an enhanced version, so if you lose HSUPA it will just jump to G/E

I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.

samac92 said:
I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.
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That's because T-Mobile never bothered to implement EDGE on their network. As far as I'm aware, only O2 and Orange have implemented EDGE, and O2 only did it because of the original iPhone 2G contract.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
That's because T-Mobile never bothered to implement EDGE on their network. As far as I'm aware, only O2 and Orange have implemented EDGE, and O2 only did it because of the original iPhone 2G contract.
Regards,
Dave
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I see, thanks for the info.

Seen EDGE once, that's it haha
No what I mean though, is fine, I'll be getting GPRS signal pretty much anywhere I go, and should be getting H signal in city's and largely populated areas, which I do (while it is pretty flakey). But inbetween those gaps, shouldn't I be getting 3G signal, in the areas with no H?
At the moment if I have no HSPA it goes straight to G, just completely missing the 3G areas, is this normal?
Sorry, tried making myself as clear as possible here

This is common problem with the Desire. Try dialling *#*#4636#*#* and then changing from wcdma preferred GSM auto (PRL). It's helped for a few people, including myself. A search will dig up a few useful threads

weird, I only see H and E and G. Have never ever seen 3G and I monitor it closely too.

HSUPA is 3G just an enhanced version, so if you lose HSUPA it will just jump to G/E
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This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range. Before I contacted T-mobile I was stuck on their normal Web 'n' Walk that restricted the speed so I was only ever seeing 3G. After being upgraded to the W 'n' W Plus I never see 3G anymore flick between H and G depending on my signal.

foyrtcw said:
This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range.
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Sorry, but that is incorrect.
I'm on T-Mobile, and I regular see G, 3G, and H depending on where I am.
Right now, my phone is sitting on my desk in my office and is showing 3G. If I run a speed test, it immediately jumps to H and I get results of 1877kbps down and 476kbps up, so I'm definitely provisioned for HSDPA.
So, you can be correctly provisioned for HSDPA and still see the 3G symbol, though it would appear that this will jump to H pretty much as soon as you start using data.
Regards,
Dave

HSDPA (H) is a lot faster than 3G, but not all mobile masts have the right equipment to use it. If an HSDPA cell is available on a mast then your phone will only show H and never 3G. However, if the mast is not configured for HSDPA it will show 3G.
If a handset is connected using 3G/HSDPA and the signal is weak/lost it will drop down to 2G(G)/EDGE.
Most issues people have with the handset dropping down to 2G will be coverage/signal related. Best thing to do is try it in another area. If the connection is stable in any other place you are in then there is nothing wrong with the handset.

foxmeister said:
So, you can be correctly provisioned for HSDPA and still see the 3G symbol, though it would appear that this will jump to H pretty much as soon as you start using data.
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HSDPA is data-only so the handset will show 3G if not using data. As soon as a data connection is established/requested it will change to HSDPA (H) if it is available. 3G is for voice/texts and also data if no HSDPA is available.

samac92 said:
I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.
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I only get H/G here in the UK, but a recent trip to Paris had me only on E. It's dependant on what the carrier is using.

foyrtcw said:
This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range. Before I contacted T-mobile I was stuck on their normal Web 'n' Walk that restricted the speed so I was only ever seeing 3G. After being upgraded to the W 'n' W Plus I never see 3G anymore flick between H and G depending on my signal.
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Bull****... It is like Edge and Gprs, Edge is a "better" version of the normal Gprs, you get >Edge where ever Edge is available, otherwise normal Gprs.
Same to HSDPA and 3G (umts) thats why i get mostly 3G here and HSDPA not that often, because my Provider has bad availability of HSDPA.

[Q] HSPA+ and HSPDA Proof.

So here is my question. If you go to Settings > About Phone > Status > and then look under Mobile Network Type, it tells you which type of Network you are currently connected to.
I live in NYC and also in Washington, DC, both arees that should have patches of HSPA+, and I've never once seen my phone connect to anything higher than HSPDA.
My Question is, should it state HSPA+ in my Phone Status screen? And if so, I want proof by way of a screen shot that somebody has actually connected to HSPA+. I've had my G2 since a few days before it was released, and I check this almost everyday to see if my phone will ever display HSPA+ in the Mobile Network Type page in the settings.
Can anybody show me proof that they are on HSPA+? And I don't want to see speedtest results. Everyone claims they are on HSPA+ based on speedtest results. I want a screen shot showing this, IF it in fact does display HSPA+ under these settings when connected.
Sorry if I sound rude, I don't intend this at all, I have been wondering this for months, and have scoured the internet trying to get definitive information on this particular thing, yet to no avail.
I'm very satisfied with my phone, and in fact would recommend it to anyone in the market, I just want to see a screen shot that says HSPA+ in the settings, IF IT EVEN DOES SHOW THIS, that's all!! My phone's network connection is still pretty fast.

Because we all know the "H" could mean a number of things, it doesn't necesarily mean HSPA+ which is why T-Mobile can get away with displaying an "H" for a number of networks (not knocking T-Mobile at all, I'm a loyal subscriber).

If you consider HSPA+ to differ and to be a level above HSDPA or HSUPA, the G2 won't be able to reach it. That's because HSPA+ network can be considered multiple cell HSPA (HSPA = HSDPA & HSUPA) and HSDPA maximum throughput is 14Mb/s. That was the advertised maximum capability of the phone. Most HSPA towers (non-plus) have throughput of 2, 3, 5, 7Mbps anyway, and it's unlikely that the network differentiates between HSPA+ and HSPA. If you find yourself in an HSPA+ cell, your speeds should go as high as 14Mbps, but you may not know if it's HSDPA at it's max or HSPA+ running at a higher speed.

High Speed Packet Access (HSPA) [1] is a amalgamation of two mobile telephony protocols, High Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) and High Speed Uplink Packet Access (HSUPA), that extends and improves the performance of existing WCDMA protocols. A further standard, Evolved HSPA (also known as HSPA+), was released late in 2008 with subsequent adoption worldwide beginning in 2010... so another words hspa and hspa+ is the same thing.. but when your closer to a "4g " tower of course your internet speeds will respond faster.. to know what kind of internet your on.. go to menu, settings, about phone, than network
sent from t-mobile g2 using HTC sense

[Q] HSDPA

I have a LG-C900 (ATT-US) and have not seen the "H" data connetion only "3G".
I know on my Tilt (8925) there was a setting to turn on "HSDPA" and it worked fine in my area...
Am I missing a setting someplace????
BikerCVG

not too sure. I have it on my HTC 7 Trophy. I would say it's there in windows phone, and i don't think there is a switch beside the 3G switch, so it should be there if you do see 3G.

I'm sure you are not missing anything. Mobile Operators can turn off the 'H' indicator and show '3G' instead. This is done to avoid "confusing" us.

3G is should show 3G... HSDPA should show "H" There was a box in settings that I had to check for HSDPA...
HSDPA is sometimes called 3.5G, ATT is also calling it 4G... 3.5G is a better description...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-ww/howto/wp7/start/what-do-the-icons-on-my-phone-mean.aspx
BikerCVG

BikerCVG said:
3G is should show 3G... HSDPA should show "H" There was a box in settings that I had to check for HSDPA...
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Do you remember where that was? I haven't found that on my T-mobile HD7, idk if we have that option

BikerCVG said:
3G is should show 3G... HSDPA should show "H" There was a box in settings that I had to check for HSDPA...
HSDPA is sometimes called 3.5G, ATT is also calling it 4G... 3.5G is a better description...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-ww/howto/wp7/start/what-do-the-icons-on-my-phone-mean.aspx
BikerCVG
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AT&T does not call HSPA their 4G, it is HSPA+.
The phone is compatible with HSPA,but I think it is the same issue as with a Captivate on AT&T, without tweaking the modem you cannot take an advantage of it. Some rumor it is due to iPhone exclusivity (well, former exclusivity) on AT&T network.

My 8925 ran WM6.1 so...
Start...
Settings...
HSDPA...
Check da box...
You where good to go after that... Downloads much faster... But that was WM6.1 on a 8925... Both that phone and my LG are running on the ATT deathstar network...
BikerCVG

biker, he's referring to windows phone 7, so the steps provided don't really apply.

The Gate Keeper said:
biker, he's referring to windows phone 7, so the steps provided don't really apply.
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I know but that is how I got to it on my old phone...
The link I posted earlier was from M/S WP7 and it does say "H" can be shown...
Just want all the speed that is available to me in my area....
BikerCVG

tai4de2 said:
I'm sure you are not missing anything. Mobile Operators can turn off the 'H' indicator and show '3G' instead. This is done to avoid "confusing" us.
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um no they cannot... they can suggest that the mfgr either not add the h or have it disabled... but they cannot turn it on or off from their system...

BikerCVG said:
I know but that is how I got to it on my old phone...
The link I posted earlier was from M/S WP7 and it does say "H" can be shown...
Just want all the speed that is available to me in my area....
BikerCVG
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The icon is there, but as I said without tweaking the modem (change settings) you are SOL.
I don't think there are provisions on WP7 to change it, maybe in a service menu of the device itself.
Sent from my Bionix powered Vibrant

All these phone released by AT&T have HSDPA enabled but HSUPA disabled (only iPhone allow to have HSUPA enabled). HSDPA/HSUPA is AT&T's 3G, not the new '4G' or HSPA+.
AT&T does not allow icons other than 3G. All AT&T phones todate will only display 3G, no H. It doesn't mean it is not working at HSDPA mode. So, H icon or not does not mean anything on AT&T phones.

foxbat121 said:
All these phone released by AT&T have HSDPA enabled but HSUPA disabled (only iPhone allow to have HSUPA enabled). HSDPA/HSUPA is AT&T's 3G, not the new '4G' or HSPA+.
AT&T does not allow icons other than 3G. All AT&T phones todate will only display 3G, no H. It doesn't mean it is not working at HSDPA mode. So, H icon or not does not mean anything on AT&T phones.
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^ What he said.
Also, if you truly wanted to know, all you had to do was look up the specs:
3G Network - HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - North America

so what does the 3G+ symbol means? Which I have in my room. Is it hsdpa? because I also have not seen an H just 3G and 3G+. I thought it was just how wp7 indicates its on fast 3g.

HSPA is 3G for TMOUS and AT&T US. You're not getting less than HSDPA speeds if it says 3G, you are on HSDPA. It's just semantics.
HSPA+ is 4G for TMOUS and AT&T US. HSPA+ is not supported on WP7 yet as far as I know.