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Connection jumping from 'H' to 'G'

Had my Desire for a while now, and I'm just wondering why my internet connection jumps from 'H' straight down to 'G', seemingly bypassing 3G.
Anyone else got this happening?

this happens to me but only when im on a train which is understandable
it shouldnt happen if you are stationary
HSUPA is 3G just an enhanced version, so if you lose HSUPA it will just jump to G/E

I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.

samac92 said:
I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.
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That's because T-Mobile never bothered to implement EDGE on their network. As far as I'm aware, only O2 and Orange have implemented EDGE, and O2 only did it because of the original iPhone 2G contract.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
That's because T-Mobile never bothered to implement EDGE on their network. As far as I'm aware, only O2 and Orange have implemented EDGE, and O2 only did it because of the original iPhone 2G contract.
Regards,
Dave
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I see, thanks for the info.

Seen EDGE once, that's it haha
No what I mean though, is fine, I'll be getting GPRS signal pretty much anywhere I go, and should be getting H signal in city's and largely populated areas, which I do (while it is pretty flakey). But inbetween those gaps, shouldn't I be getting 3G signal, in the areas with no H?
At the moment if I have no HSPA it goes straight to G, just completely missing the 3G areas, is this normal?
Sorry, tried making myself as clear as possible here

This is common problem with the Desire. Try dialling *#*#4636#*#* and then changing from wcdma preferred GSM auto (PRL). It's helped for a few people, including myself. A search will dig up a few useful threads

weird, I only see H and E and G. Have never ever seen 3G and I monitor it closely too.

HSUPA is 3G just an enhanced version, so if you lose HSUPA it will just jump to G/E
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This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range. Before I contacted T-mobile I was stuck on their normal Web 'n' Walk that restricted the speed so I was only ever seeing 3G. After being upgraded to the W 'n' W Plus I never see 3G anymore flick between H and G depending on my signal.

foyrtcw said:
This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range.
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Sorry, but that is incorrect.
I'm on T-Mobile, and I regular see G, 3G, and H depending on where I am.
Right now, my phone is sitting on my desk in my office and is showing 3G. If I run a speed test, it immediately jumps to H and I get results of 1877kbps down and 476kbps up, so I'm definitely provisioned for HSDPA.
So, you can be correctly provisioned for HSDPA and still see the 3G symbol, though it would appear that this will jump to H pretty much as soon as you start using data.
Regards,
Dave

HSDPA (H) is a lot faster than 3G, but not all mobile masts have the right equipment to use it. If an HSDPA cell is available on a mast then your phone will only show H and never 3G. However, if the mast is not configured for HSDPA it will show 3G.
If a handset is connected using 3G/HSDPA and the signal is weak/lost it will drop down to 2G(G)/EDGE.
Most issues people have with the handset dropping down to 2G will be coverage/signal related. Best thing to do is try it in another area. If the connection is stable in any other place you are in then there is nothing wrong with the handset.

foxmeister said:
So, you can be correctly provisioned for HSDPA and still see the 3G symbol, though it would appear that this will jump to H pretty much as soon as you start using data.
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HSDPA is data-only so the handset will show 3G if not using data. As soon as a data connection is established/requested it will change to HSDPA (H) if it is available. 3G is for voice/texts and also data if no HSDPA is available.

samac92 said:
I get H, 3G or G, I've never once seen Edge at all.
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I only get H/G here in the UK, but a recent trip to Paris had me only on E. It's dependant on what the carrier is using.

foyrtcw said:
This. As long as you are not on an internet package that doesn't allow HSDPA then you should only see the H symbol, not 3G, when in range. Before I contacted T-mobile I was stuck on their normal Web 'n' Walk that restricted the speed so I was only ever seeing 3G. After being upgraded to the W 'n' W Plus I never see 3G anymore flick between H and G depending on my signal.
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Bull****... It is like Edge and Gprs, Edge is a "better" version of the normal Gprs, you get >Edge where ever Edge is available, otherwise normal Gprs.
Same to HSDPA and 3G (umts) thats why i get mostly 3G here and HSDPA not that often, because my Provider has bad availability of HSDPA.

HSUPA in android.

I was wondering if it is possible to enable HSUPA in android.

After doing some more Googling, it seems you just mean HSPA in general... as in 3g? Yes, it should work just fine. Are you only getting 2g/EDGE...? If so, you'll see an E next to the network signal. If you get 3g, you'll see a 3g icon...

Hey,
i think he means HSDPA and is the abbreviation of "High Speed Downlink Packet Access". It is a connection faster than 3G. Within Windows Mobile i got H and in Android 3G. A Friend just got the Desire Z and here appears the H for HSDPA in the upper right Corner of the Screen. I'm from Germany so i don't even know if this connection is worldwide available?!
HSDPA for your Information is a connection than can run 14,6 Mb/s. I've only found Sites in German, i guess this is not helpful?! .

Are you talking about HSPA+...? I don't think our phones support that.

@arrrghhh: I Think our Rhodium100_de should support HSPA+ if it is what we are talking about. In Windows Mobile there are 4 different modes G -> E -> 3G -> H. So there is GPRS -> EDGE -> 3G -> HSDPA. HSDPA is wide ranged in Germany and in bigger cities normal connection. So can there be a difference between our Rhodiums, that ours support HSDPA and the sold Versions in other countries not? Or is it just an illusion that german providers make to receive more users???

Hm... HSPA is like 3.5g... if the companies wanted to brand it a name. I misspoke earlier when I said 3g was HSPA. HSPA+ is being branded "4g" but it isn't truly 4g...
With that said, evidently WiMax isn't 4g, so no carrier that is advertising their service as 4g is truly running "4g"... stupid ITU-R. I'm pretty sure the phone CAN do HSPA, but CANNOT do HSPA+...
Also after reading it would make sense, HSPA is faster than standard "3g", so that would stand to reason.
I guess you would be a good one to ask Bieka, does Android support your HSPA connection? The phone's don't support HSPA+.

Hey arrrghhh,
yes it supports HSPA and no it don't . I think that the shown connection speed in WinMob is a little bit confusing. Running Android i get "only" 3G but this is just the phone was made for. I explored many sites with facts to the phone and everywhere the same! Supported 3G -as you said too- but no HSPA+ what is called HSDPA by the Providers in Germany and is acually 3.5G. So no need to "implent" HSPA+ cause there is no phone support at all . I think that WinMob isn't able to display the right connection speed.
I also tested my connection shown up as 3G with the speettest.net app and i get a speed of 1.94 Mbps download. It's actually not the limit of 3G but it's ok to view most sites and view youtube stuff. I just wanted to test a difference between android and WinMob but i didn't found any apps like the one in android and speedtest.net (and others) are using flash on their sites so the browser can't display that. So i couldn't check if the shown H in the upper right of WinMob is "real" or just 3G?! If there where a difference between the WinMob Speed i could say it exactly. So is there an app you know about?

Bieka said:
Hey arrrghhh,
yes it supports HSPA and no it don't . I think that the shown connection speed in WinMob is a little bit confusing. Running Android i get "only" 3G but this is just the phone was made for. I explored many sites with facts to the phone and everywhere the same! Supported 3G -as you said too- but no HSPA+ what is called HSDPA by the Providers in Germany and is acually 3.5G. So no need to "implent" HSPA+ cause there is no phone support at all . I think that WinMob isn't able to display the right connection speed.
I also tested my connection shown up as 3G with the speettest.net app and i get a speed of 1.94 Mbps download. It's actually not the limit of 3G but it's ok to view most sites and view youtube stuff. I just wanted to test a difference between android and WinMob but i didn't found any apps like the one in android and speedtest.net (and others) are using flash on their sites so the browser can't display that. So i couldn't check if the shown H in the upper right of WinMob is "real" or just 3G?! If there where a difference between the WinMob Speed i could say it exactly. So is there an app you know about?
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Bieka
I was wondering this exact same thing the other day. I found this but havn't tested it. If i get a chance later I will as I get the H in winmob in the office here
OK I ran it twice with H showing in win and got a max of 7.37 Mbps and average 6.4Mbps

3G+ On Rhodium

Every once in a while, I will get the 3G+ Icon for my service. Is this 4G? I'm on AT&T and was wondering why I would get this Icon?

I get 3G+ on a different network too... It's not 4G for sure because my network doesn't have 4G

I think that means 3.5G or 3.75G .. may be !!

waeljimmy said:
I think that means 3.5G or 3.75G .. may be !!
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If you're on a stock ROM, it is likely an icon for HSPA service. This is basically 3.5G service. Most custom ROMs will have a "H" icon instead of 3G when this is the connection.

cajunflavoredbob said:
If you're on a stock ROM, it is likely an icon for HSPA service. This is basically 3.5G service. Most custom ROMs will have a "H" icon instead of 3G when this is the connection.
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Sometimes I get 3G+ and sometimes H... so I guess they mean something different.

Daved+ said:
Sometimes I get 3G+ and sometimes H... so I guess they mean something different.
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Which service provider do you use, and which ROM are you using?

cajunflavoredbob said:
Which service provider do you use, and which ROM are you using?
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I'm on Claro but I'm outside the US... And I use the JackOS rom.

Icons and network speeds can be sometimes confusing on Windows Mobile devices.
Unlike other branded devices, "3G" is 3.6Mbps (category 6 HSDPA) and "H" stands for 7.2Mbps (category 8 HSDPA).
I never saw a "3G+" icon. Maybe if you would post a screenshot I could help you further.
EDIT: @OP, no Rhodium doesn't support 4G (LTE) so no matter what icon you got it's definitely not 4G The first HTC device to support this was the HTC ThunderBolt (right?).

GT-I9250 Galaxy Nexua - Fido in Canada

Hi,
Might be one of a few having the galaxy nexus GT-I9250 in Canada.. I tuned on the phone and it found Fido and it worked. I get 3g and H on the signal bar. How do i k ow if I have hspa + or 4g lte on the phone? Will it show 4g or H+?
Speed test gets only around 1 meg down...
Fido and rogers are one, according to service map by rogers HSPA+ is in Ottawa and soon LTE. Will they prevent Fido users from 4g?
Any settings I have to enter on phone to get the higher speeds? Anyone in Canada has this working?
Thanks a lot for any insight u might have...
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forget LTE it will not work (for CDMA networks like Bell/Telus)
get the GSM version to work

The phone doesn't have LTE. It has GSM and HSPA+.
As far as speeds, you're going to have to talk to other Fido users in the same area and see their speeds (or other phones you own with the same SIM card). There may be some changes to the APNs you can do to increase speeds, again you're going to want to ask Fido users.

as for knowing how fast you are going
it's simply a matter of speed
in Canada normal H+ speed is around 8 Mbps down at best
if you seed speed that goes beyond 16 Mbps, you are most likely on "4G"
there's no real 4G if you check Wikipedia
all the current LTE / 4G technology are fake
they are more like 3.5G = H+, so "4G/LTE" is actually more like 3.75G
the real 4G is on WiMax radio which is not very popular in many places and phones

Is there a version that supports lte? All over web they say galaxy nexus lte...
If anyone lives in ottawa and has Fido, please share ur experience and settings.
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ssss25 said:
Is there a version that supports lte? All over web they say galaxy nexus lte...
If anyone lives in ottawa and has Fido, please share ur experience and settings.
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There is 1 version with LTE. And that is made for Verizon USA. You're probably only going to see the GSM/HSPA+ version in Canada.

Thanks all. OK, so hspa + I will forget about lte..
How do i know if my phone is connected to hspa+?
Will it has a plus sign on signal bar. If i go to settings, then about phone, then status. It shows the current connection, what should it be? Anybody has hspa+ can tell me what they see in status in setting and the signal icon on top?
I will be happy with around 8mb
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ssss25 said:
Thanks all. OK, so hspa + I will forget about lte..
How do i know if my phone is connected to hspa+?
Will it has a plus sign on signal bar. If i go to settings, then about phone, then status. It shows the current connection, what should it be? Anybody has hspa+ can tell me what they see in status in setting and the signal icon on top?
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So under connection it'll say "EDGE" on 2G, "UMTS" on 3G, and "HSDPA"/"HSPA+" on 3.5G/4G/H+ (depends what your carrier wants to call it).

i believe he was speaking about the ICON indicator on the status bar
it'll be either 3G in most areas, and in really go areas you'll see H+ or 4G depending on the ROM how it was coded for the signal quality strength
once you start flashing custom ROMs you'll notice that will change too, depending on the ROM Dev, it's all cosmetic eye candy
if you want to know the real deal install Open Signal from Market
it has a nice widget that tells you the true tower capacity

It fluctuates between
Umts:3 and hspa:11
The reason I ask about the plus is that there is hspa only.. no plus and i am not sure if the hspa:11 means plus or no plus.
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Allgamer thanks. On the icon, I get 3g and H on stock ics. No H+.

if there is no H+, then you are on 3G
ssss25 said:
Allgamer thanks. On the icon, I get 3g and H on stock ics. No H+.
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but H also means H+
just cosmetic again

ssss25 said:
Allgamer thanks. On the icon, I get 3g and H on stock ics. No H+.
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Like I said earlier, if under "status" you see UMTS then you're on 3g. If you see HSPA you're on "4g". What that means for speeds is up to Fido.
The ROM just has "H" icon I believe. You won't see H+.

First of all, Bell and Rogers are GSM networks and they support LTE, however the phone itself only supports HSPA+ 21mb/s. Only the CDMA Verizon version of the Galaxy Nexus will support LTE.
Note: This is only as far as my knowledge extends to, and I don't accept any responsibility if anything goes wrong

Thanks for all the replies. I had a nexus one which only supports hspa, not hspa+ and i used to see Hspa there. That is why I was concerned if the hspa I am seeing is using the plus protocol which supports a much faster speed than hspa. This is why seeing an h only, or hspa in connection didn't give me a good feeling as i had it on my nexus one. Its the hspa+ that gives me the extra speed on the galaxy nexus and i wonders if its being used.
Thanks for all your help and comment guys.. I appreciate it

It seems like the Verizon LTE version will not work on Fido/Rogers or Bell/Telus (each of which seems to have their own LTE network)
If you want to do a good speed test while around the BC area, go to Whistler and then do a speedtest.net test (via the app).
I've had 6MB/s down on standard HSPA.

Thanks for the info.
I found that in ottawa if i use spedtest.net app I only get between 1 and 2. If I use open signal, another App on market, I get around 6mb/sec.
Thanks.

Ubergizmo on Nokia Lumia 900 4G/3G/Edge switch

Has anyone else found the following web site with instructions on setting up a 4G/3G/Edge switch on the Web
(Do a search to find the link)
I tired it and was able to get the switch, but I have not been able to try it on 4G(LTE) yet as I do not have LTE reception where I live and only have 3G (the phone says 4G, but I know it is 3G+) but will try it at work tomorrow where I can actually get LTE.
But one thing I noticed is that I cannot get EDGE service where I live. I heard that AT&T wanted to get rid of 2G (EDGE). Have they done that already?

Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.

hx4700 Killer said:
Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.
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On AT&T, there are 4 types of data. 2G/EDGE, 3G, "4G"/3G+/HSPA+ and LTE.
We all know about 2g and 3g, but many people like you don't know about the difference between "4g" and LTE.
This whole thing was started by T-Mobile, because this was the early days of LTE, and Sprint was advertising it's WiMax network as 4G, T-Mobile decided to use a technology called HSPA+ and brand it as 4G. Initially, AT&T scolded T-Mobile for this move, but as soon as it was decided HSPA+ could be considered 4G, AT&T rapidly built up a network of this, almost as large as their 3G network.
HSPA+ is basically a faster version of 3G, hence why it's often called 3G+. However, AT&T tries to advertise it as 4G so they can boast they have the largest 4G network, even though Verizon leads the charge with the most LTE sites. HSPA+ is a bit faster than 3G, but doesn't hold a candle to LTE. However, it does have it advantages, such as being compatible on the iPhone 4S, and unlike Verizon, on AT&T, if you loose LTE coverage, you can fall back on HSPA+, where as on Verizon you fall back on their CDMA network (Which is still slower than AT&T's GSM network).
So over all it's good and leads to faster overall experience, unless of course you're in LTE coverage 24/7, then it doesn't matter that much. My (and others) only problem with this is AT&T branding it as 4G, which tricks consumers.

These days, both AT&T and T-Mobile branded devices display "4G" for *any* UMTS connectivity, instead of 3G/H.
It's lame.

My 900 has this switch in the settings without the need for any hacks

you hit #data# and then hit the ... button at the bottom and set up the toggle between speeds. Then restart the device, go under settings>cellular> select data speed.
With this device's data speed selection, 2G= edge, 3g= HSPA+/UTMS, 4G= LTE. Eventhough ATT modified the registry so that UTMS shows 4G at the top of the device, when you select 3G in the speed selection, you are only making the phone connect to HSPA+/UTMS

hx4700 Killer said:
Hre is the link:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/04/nokia-lumia-900-gets-edge-3g-4g-toggle/
Im not sure what you mean about trying it on 4G... the only choices are 4G (LTE) 3G or edge so you get one of the 3.
In my LTE market when I choose 4G I get LTE.
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Hey, they stole my article that I originally posted on Mobility Digest. (www.mobilitydigest.com). They even took my screen shot. I purposely took that shot when my phone was showing "G". Oh well. Btw, it does work.
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