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UMTS?

Ok, I use the official dopod WM6 .. and I'm sure it's not related but for some reason I get a constant 3G/HSPDA connection which I NEVER had at my house.. and when I get a phone call it says UMTS AT&T .. anyone know what the UMTS is?

Umts=wcdma=3g

universal mobile telecommunications system..based on 3g

http://www.tech-faq.com/hsdpa.shtml
Per Tech-Fac: HSDPA is associated with the various Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) networks including the Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM).

Madcap...That is good

Madcap180 said:
Ok, I use the official dopod WM6 .. and I'm sure it's not related but for some reason I get a constant 3G/HSPDA connection which I NEVER had at my house.. and when I get a phone call it says UMTS AT&T .. anyone know what the UMTS is?
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If I choose AUTO in phone/band, it will constantly show up UMTS, and the reception will be really bad in my place. (Battery will run out in a day) But if I choose GSM, first off, reception is great & my battery is good for 3-4 days.
Is 3G that power hungry? Or it's simply due to bad 3G reception in my area?
Cheers,
Richard

its a combination of both.

rockrichard said:
If I choose AUTO in phone/band, it will constantly show up UMTS, and the reception will be really bad in my place. (Battery will run out in a day) But if I choose GSM, first off, reception is great & my battery is good for 3-4 days.
Is 3G that power hungry? Or it's simply due to bad 3G reception in my area?
Cheers,
Richard
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I live Center of manchester in UK, i have 100% connection to UMTS, and battery is totally dead in about 28-30hours, so no its not your bad connection!
I think 3G/UMTS just uses alot of power, and i have to say i have never used the UMTS for wat it is ment for, so i jus turn it off!!!

The only time it is used is when you need to download something.
check this out:
One of the main benefits of UMTS is its speed. Current rates of transfer for broadband information are 2 Mbits a second. This speed makes possible the kind of streaming video that can support movie downloads and video conferencing. In a sense, UMTS makes it possible for you to enjoy all of the functionality of your home computer while you are roaming. By combining wireless and satellite cellular technologies, UMTS takes advantage of all existing options to result in the Holy Grail of 3G presentation: seamless transitions between WiFi and satellite.

Pumpiron579 said:
The only time it is used is when you need to download something.
check this out:
One of the main benefits of UMTS is its speed. Current rates of transfer for broadband information are 2 Mbits a second. This speed makes possible the kind of streaming video that can support movie downloads and video conferencing. In a sense, UMTS makes it possible for you to enjoy all of the functionality of your home computer while you are roaming. By combining wireless and satellite cellular technologies, UMTS takes advantage of all existing options to result in the Holy Grail of 3G presentation: seamless transitions between WiFi and satellite.
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You say that the current rates of transfer are 2Mbits, but my understanding is that the Hermes chipset has a theoretical maximum of 1.8 with a typical 'good' speed of 1.2 to 1.5.

lol i feel like a noob, I had NO idea what UMTS was... and was scared i was roaming or somehing hahahah!

I pulled that specific info off the net....
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-umts.htm
Attn
Madcap, those HighHeels you sent me were too small

EDGE speed...

What do you guys use the most to access internet/emails?
Wifi or edge?
Also, what practical speed do you get? Is there is too much difference in 3G and EDGE speed? Since I am from India and we don't have 3G (only in few cities and only 1 operator) I can't tell.
It would be helpful for me if people from europe, usa, au tell me what actual speed they get over edge/3G? Is it really the worth going to 3G from edge or is it the hype operators are creating?
I found atleast one article that clearly states the limitations of 3G
http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/10/why-edge-versus-3g-less-than-you-think

timepassman said:
What do you guys use the most to access internet/emails?
Wifi or edge?
Also, what practical speed do you get? Is there is too much difference in 3G and EDGE speed? Since I am from India and we don't have 3G (only in few cities and only 1 operator) I can't tell.
It would be helpful for me if people from europe, usa, au tell me what actual speed they get over edge/3G? Is it really the worth going to 3G from edge or is it the hype operators are creating?
I found atleast one article that clearly states the limitations of 3G
http://blackfriarsinc.com/blog/2007/10/why-edge-versus-3g-less-than-you-think
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I use WIFI all the time, and sometimes GPRS as in México Exaclibur does not have 3G support
But I dont really miss it...

I read up on this a while ago and 3G has far supireor data download compared to EDGE and HSDPA is even faster, i use HSDPA on Tilt and it's fast.
The Dash does not support 3G or HSDPA so not really an issue
Speeds obviously depending on the technology.
GPRS Maximum 60.0 (kbit/s)
EDGE Maximum 236.8 (kbit/s) (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s)
3G Maximum 14.4 (Mbit/s)
HSDPA Maximum 21.1 (Mbit/s)
So you can see the difference capable these are the maximum speed so mainly will be stationary with them speeds not mobile but just wanted to give you comaparson.

GPRS Maximum 60.0 (kbit/s)
EDGE Maximum 236.8 (kbit/s) (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s)
3G Maximum 14.4 (Mbit/s)
HSDPA Maximum 21.1 (Mbit/s)
these are all in bits--just dividing by 8 gives the real picture. decrease it further go get practical speed.
i have tilt, but i think 3G and touchscreen drain battery like anything !! most people i have heard keep complaining about G1, tilt battery--far less compared to other cheap mobiles !!

timepassman said:
GPRS Maximum 60.0 (kbit/s)
EDGE Maximum 236.8 (kbit/s) (theoretical maximum is 473.6 kbit/s)
3G Maximum 14.4 (Mbit/s)
HSDPA Maximum 21.1 (Mbit/s)
these are all in bits--just dividing by 8 gives the real picture. decrease it further go get practical speed.
i have tilt, but i think 3G and touchscreen drain battery like anything !! most people i have heard keep complaining about G1, tilt battery--far less compared to other cheap mobiles !!
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Even with everything /8 it's a significan't difference between them all to which your original post was questioning "how i percieved it anyway"
Don't think battery drains like anything HSDPA always enabled 2700mAh get 2 days but then i'm always farting about tweaking it so never really see it drop
So Dash 4 days Tilt 2 days considering spec think it's pretty respectable i.m.o not to say it couldn't be alot better, i'm just satisfied

I would have to say that although i have not used a 3g device i think edge is very adequite for surfing the web through opera or skyfire. the speed is very pleasing for me. Also i would like to say that i have been coverted to opera mini from skyfire. cant believe it huh

iDASH said:
I would have to say that although i have not used a 3g device i think edge is very adequite for surfing the web through opera or skyfire. the speed is very pleasing for me. Also i would like to say that i have been coverted to opera mini from skyfire. cant believe it huh
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My wife has a G1 and I have to say that, I compared the 3g TMO G1 to the dash using opera mini on edge, and I got to say that they were neck to neck, although they were some sites that have a lot of data , I only saw a slight decrease in the G1's speed vs the dash, only because the G1 is processing the data itself and the opera's servers compress the data making the dash feel just slightly faster. So when you think about it 3g is pretty fast. I wonder if they will ever have the HSDPA here in the US. if they do I'll probably be Sprint or ATT that will have it first.

roloracer said:
I wonder if they will ever have the HSDPA here in the US. if they do I'll probably be Sprint or ATT that will have it first.
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Really they don't have HSDPA course they do it will just be network specific on reception, like in the UK. "oh and technology spec of phone"
I use 3G "carrier" to which is pap for HSDPA on laptop, then on phone i use o2 to which is HSDPA all day
Beat me down with a stick if no HSDPA in US JK

stylez said:
Really they don't have HSDPA course they do it will just be network specific on reception, like in the UK. "oh and technology spec of phone"
I use 3G "carrier" to which is pap for HSDPA on laptop, then on phone i use o2 to which is HSDPA all day
Beat me down with a stick if no HSDPA in US JK
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The're probably is HSDPA in US. Since I'm with TMO USA I be surprised if they have it, considering that they were the last mayor carrier to have 3g, maybe someone else does.

well ok back to edge over email and wi-fi, on my dash edge works the same as wi-fi for email no problamo there, but useing wi-fi to view video's on skyfire works great with edge just wait till 2am or 3am when every one is sleeping so edge data is wide open so you can view the video's over skyfire

HSDPA Signal

After about a week plus of having my TP2, i realize that where i normally am surfing the net, i don't have HSDPA anymore. All i get is 3G. It's strange cos when i put the sim card into my TP, it gets HSDPA right away.
I've taken my TP2 out and in town, it gets HSDPA so that pretty much confirms that there is no setting problem. I've flashed with all the available Radio from the radio thread and none seem to help. I still can't get HSDPA where i'm sitting now while my TP would have full strength.
Anybody else has this problem? Is there a way to force HSDPA connection?

Anybody?
I just hard reset my TP2 and still no "H". Took the TP2 out for a drive closer to tonw and i get "H" which again means nothing is wrong with the settings portion.
Take the sim card out and put it into my TP, i get a strong full strength "H" from where my TP2 could not get
Weird & sad cos i use my data plan a lot.

Try downloading something and see if actively using the data connection switches it over from 3g to H

Let me preface by saying I don't have TP2 yet, still waiting on AT&T
I think without using something like Advanced Config (assuming there is a rhodium version), it will only show 3G even if it is in fact an HSDPA signal. You can adjust the setting with advanced config to enable the H display. But it is just enabling the icon I believe.

With the stock rom on my worldwide version it comes up with H when i use the data connection, otherwise it sits on 3g even in full reception ;- ) why i suggested it

worldwide edition is; world 3G on GSM right? where can you get that one!

Axeslocked said:
worldwide edition is; world 3G on GSM right? where can you get that one!
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Worldwide except the USA I believe. Otherwise I would have bought it long ago

dammit!
I want to upgrade to this **** from my TyTN that is falling apart but no Canada 3G until 2010 quarter 2. thats when rogers upgrades to 2100

HSDPA is 3G. Some taskbars on the Touch Pro 2 label a 3G connection as "H" or HSDPA.
You are getting the same data speeds regardless of whether the "H" or the "3G" symbol can be seen on your phone.
However if you get an "E" or a "G" that means you will get EDGE speeds and GSM speeds respectively.
The fastest is as follows from left to right: 3G > EDGE > GSM

Thanx for the reply guys.
HSDPA is faster then 3G right? Or did i get that information wrong
Anyway HSDPA is already enable in my TP2 as when i move to other locations...say closer to town, i do get "H". I just feel that the reception is not as strong as that of the TP cos at home where my TP has HSDPA connection, my TP2 does not

Getting "H" instead of 3G

For the past few days i have been getting a "H" by the bars instead of "3G". Any ideas, I am hoping its not for "Home" and i am loosing 3G
T-Mobile TP2 With Tmo WM 6.5

what carrier and what ROM?

Tmobile, With the new TMO 6.5

Be Happy!
Read the GOOD news.
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=16066&news=T-Mobile+3G+HSPA+7.2Mbps+LTE

Yea i know of the upgrade. Dident think it would change the bars.

It's purely cosmetic anyways, I wouldn't worry too much about it. In fact, the setting can be changed in one or more of the tweak utilities. The Tilt 2 has the opposite issue. The stock ROM only shows 3G instead of H.

I'm on AT&T and I get the H all the time. I don't really notice any speed difference though.

donniesd said:
Tmobile, With the new TMO 6.5
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boy that sure would suck if we had to go back to the stock rom to get the"H"

innovator8 said:
boy that sure would suck if we had to go back to the stock rom to get the"H"
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well I jusr installed the new radio and I see no difference. I still show "h" sometimes and 3g other times. when I tether and use speedtest.net I still can't get over 1Mbps.

innovator8 said:
well I jusr installed the new radio and I see no difference. I still show "h" sometimes and 3g other times. when I tether and use speedtest.net I still can't get over 1Mbps.
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Doesnt the H has nothing to do with the radio rom?? it's just in what area you are where the signal is the strongest.. 3G, Hdspa, or Gprs.. In the stupid little pesantville i live i often get only 'G' for gprs,, i only get 3g in the big cities..
you just have 'H' because theres no strong 3G signal in your area

xdadJeroen said:
Doesnt the H has nothing to do with the radio rom?? it's just in what area you are where the signal is the strongest.. 3G, Hdspa, or Gprs.. In the stupid little pesantville i live i often get only 'G' for gprs,, i only get 3g in the big cities..
you just have 'H' because theres no strong 3G signal in your area
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Being in your shoes I would be happy to see H instead of 3G as it is 3.5G rather than 3G ;-)
H stands for the latest standard HSPA (where HSDPA --> High Speed Download & HSUPA --> HS Upload) while 3G is a generic High Speed network of 3rd generation.
With 3.5G one is getting up to 7.2Mbit per second Download and up to 2.4Mbit per second Upload while with 3G it is well below 1Mbit per second in both cases.
Of course, it is UP TO and depends on particular implementation...
Cheers.

ksmm said:
Being in your shoes I would be happy to see H instead of 3G as it is 3.5G rather than 3G ;-)
H stands for the latest standard HSPA (where HSDPA --> High Speed Download & HSUPA --> HS Upload) while 3G is a generic High Speed network of 3rd generation.
With 3.5G one is getting up to 7.2Mbit per second Download and up to 2.4Mbit per second Upload while with 3G it is well below 1Mbit per second in both cases.
Of course, it is UP TO and depends on particular implementation...
Cheers.
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h
there was an article last week about tmobile upgrading thier network to hspa, theoreticle 7.2Mbps. with the rom that came with my tmo tp2, i never showed the "h", when i went to the energyb rom series, i was often showing an "h" but there was no differance in my speed. it is clear to me that the tmo hspa 7.2 upgrade has not hit here in seattle yet. i just upgraded my radio as i saw that someone in a previous post has the official tmo 6.5 upgrade and he was gettting 4mbps.
i sure do hope that tmo gets this working in seattle soon...

Sorry, this doesn't mean anything usually. If you are running non-stock (aka flashed) then most likely it just is the ROM that changes the 3G to H. I am on ATT and that just is what took place of the 3G icon. It doesn't mean anything else. Now, on stock ROM's it could.

HSUPA in android.

I was wondering if it is possible to enable HSUPA in android.

After doing some more Googling, it seems you just mean HSPA in general... as in 3g? Yes, it should work just fine. Are you only getting 2g/EDGE...? If so, you'll see an E next to the network signal. If you get 3g, you'll see a 3g icon...

Hey,
i think he means HSDPA and is the abbreviation of "High Speed Downlink Packet Access". It is a connection faster than 3G. Within Windows Mobile i got H and in Android 3G. A Friend just got the Desire Z and here appears the H for HSDPA in the upper right Corner of the Screen. I'm from Germany so i don't even know if this connection is worldwide available?!
HSDPA for your Information is a connection than can run 14,6 Mb/s. I've only found Sites in German, i guess this is not helpful?! .

Are you talking about HSPA+...? I don't think our phones support that.

@arrrghhh: I Think our Rhodium100_de should support HSPA+ if it is what we are talking about. In Windows Mobile there are 4 different modes G -> E -> 3G -> H. So there is GPRS -> EDGE -> 3G -> HSDPA. HSDPA is wide ranged in Germany and in bigger cities normal connection. So can there be a difference between our Rhodiums, that ours support HSDPA and the sold Versions in other countries not? Or is it just an illusion that german providers make to receive more users???

Hm... HSPA is like 3.5g... if the companies wanted to brand it a name. I misspoke earlier when I said 3g was HSPA. HSPA+ is being branded "4g" but it isn't truly 4g...
With that said, evidently WiMax isn't 4g, so no carrier that is advertising their service as 4g is truly running "4g"... stupid ITU-R. I'm pretty sure the phone CAN do HSPA, but CANNOT do HSPA+...
Also after reading it would make sense, HSPA is faster than standard "3g", so that would stand to reason.
I guess you would be a good one to ask Bieka, does Android support your HSPA connection? The phone's don't support HSPA+.

Hey arrrghhh,
yes it supports HSPA and no it don't . I think that the shown connection speed in WinMob is a little bit confusing. Running Android i get "only" 3G but this is just the phone was made for. I explored many sites with facts to the phone and everywhere the same! Supported 3G -as you said too- but no HSPA+ what is called HSDPA by the Providers in Germany and is acually 3.5G. So no need to "implent" HSPA+ cause there is no phone support at all . I think that WinMob isn't able to display the right connection speed.
I also tested my connection shown up as 3G with the speettest.net app and i get a speed of 1.94 Mbps download. It's actually not the limit of 3G but it's ok to view most sites and view youtube stuff. I just wanted to test a difference between android and WinMob but i didn't found any apps like the one in android and speedtest.net (and others) are using flash on their sites so the browser can't display that. So i couldn't check if the shown H in the upper right of WinMob is "real" or just 3G?! If there where a difference between the WinMob Speed i could say it exactly. So is there an app you know about?

Bieka said:
Hey arrrghhh,
yes it supports HSPA and no it don't . I think that the shown connection speed in WinMob is a little bit confusing. Running Android i get "only" 3G but this is just the phone was made for. I explored many sites with facts to the phone and everywhere the same! Supported 3G -as you said too- but no HSPA+ what is called HSDPA by the Providers in Germany and is acually 3.5G. So no need to "implent" HSPA+ cause there is no phone support at all . I think that WinMob isn't able to display the right connection speed.
I also tested my connection shown up as 3G with the speettest.net app and i get a speed of 1.94 Mbps download. It's actually not the limit of 3G but it's ok to view most sites and view youtube stuff. I just wanted to test a difference between android and WinMob but i didn't found any apps like the one in android and speedtest.net (and others) are using flash on their sites so the browser can't display that. So i couldn't check if the shown H in the upper right of WinMob is "real" or just 3G?! If there where a difference between the WinMob Speed i could say it exactly. So is there an app you know about?
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Bieka
I was wondering this exact same thing the other day. I found this but havn't tested it. If i get a chance later I will as I get the H in winmob in the office here
OK I ran it twice with H showing in win and got a max of 7.37 Mbps and average 6.4Mbps