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HSDPA

do not jump onme for this question....
DOES SPV M3100 with WM6.0 on it have HSDPA... because in the normal specification of the phone this is not specified...
i know there are a lot of threads saying something about the H icon... but no one answered if that is just an icon or really HSDPA enabled ROM

ccezar2004 said:
do not jump onme for this question....
DOES SPV M3100 with WM6.0 on it have HSDPA... because in the normal specification of the phone this is not specified...
i know there are a lot of threads saying something about the H icon... but no one answered if that is just an icon or really HSDPA enabled ROM
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The device is capable of it. However, whether or not you can see/use it depends on your carrier, availability in your coverage area and your SIM card.
Also most of the WM6 roms that I have tried have a performance app that allows you to enable/disable HSDPA.

i am asking this because in my area there are plans to "release" the HSDPA option... now if i connect to internet the 3g icon changes to H... as I read it is a normal behavior for HSDPA to be activated only when neded.... but i made a speed test... and all i could get was 145kb per sec... there are 2 possibilities... either it is only the icon of HSDPA and no real HSDPA capabilities, either, being in the test period, the speed isn't up to the full capabilities... i just don't know... the day i have noticed the H icon was the day i read the article about the intention to release the HSDPA in a few months... and also the day i (again) changed my rom from black 3.0.1. to dutty v2 (BT car kit issues)....

ok... did again a speed test on http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and the speed was between 300 and 340kb per sec... with a 600k file... so far from HSDPA... but.. still... i had H icon on my connection type....

You can also check the preconfig file in your /windows to see if hsdpa is enabled. Check the wiki, and theres also a thread on it somewhere. I would post the link but im at work w/ no time to search. good luck!

Hey check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305872
and note my post in it... but it does sound like you got HSDPA, the 600k is too small a sample to give a proper average.

ok... i read that also... another question... is it possible that my phone shows HSDPA connection although this is not available? 'cause i made another test with a 1MB package and this time i got 350kb per sec... so no real HSDPA... although the connection stated so...

ok... starting 25th of june my operator says that will "give tot the people" the new 3G+ with a transfer rate of 3,6Mb/sec... i think this is HSDPA?... right?...
as I said before my spv m3100 with wm6 showed me H icon and HSDPA connection active (in the connection buble) but no speed over 350Kb/s... the reason i think i got HSDPA connection is that of the test that i think the operator made before the big launch... but still... no HSDPA speed... i hope that i will get bigger speeds after the 25th of june....

H=HSDPA. Your carrier supports it....
however:
actual speed is affected by a number of issues. For example, a big one can be the speed of the data pipe connected to the cell towers.
What I'm saying here is this: Actual speed is based on the total bandwidth your carrier provides from your hermes all the way to their Internet connection. Just because the pipe to your hermes from the cell tower is 3mb/s dosen't mean your internet browsing speed will be that.

ccezar2004. you can try with Connex if it happened to go in Europe, I just retuned from Bucharest and 3.5G worked perfect with dual SIM, 450-500 kbps over UMTS 2.1 GHz spectrum
ccezar2004 said:
ok... starting 25th of june my operator says that will "give tot the people" the new 3G+ with a transfer rate of 3,6Mb/sec... i think this is HSDPA?... right?...
as I said before my spv m3100 with wm6 showed me H icon and HSDPA connection active (in the connection buble) but no speed over 350Kb/s... the reason i think i got HSDPA connection is that of the test that i think the operator made before the big launch... but still... no HSDPA speed... i hope that i will get bigger speeds after the 25th of june....
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I don't know your location but I would be amazed if you get more than about 1mb/s.
You are probably getting the H when the cell acknowledges that it has HSDPA - but the switches between the cell and the main network probably arent upgraded yet.
HSDPA is getting faster all the time though - in the UK we currently have about 1.2mb/s and expect 3mb/s by next year and maybe even 10mb/s in three years.

I'm only mentioning this as a 'just in case;'
If you're using PIE+ when doing your speed tests, disable PWO and then try it again.

yapp I've done the test when I visited my folks in Bucharest, H icon was there and both UL and DL were preety decent. Unfortunately we don't have yet UMTS in Canada, so all we can do is to wait

@ccezar:
im living in bucharest and hsdpa is working in some areas quite good, i got speeds of 800 kbps, which definitely is more than regular 3g. it all depends on the location, so i guess its no tytn fault, or whatever version of hermes you may have...

Iunutz6, Connex-Vod(k)afone is advertising 3.5G as so far I got from inside, they will incerease the speed to 7.2 Mbps. Just curious what would be UL and DL with a TYTN and with a normal PCMCIA 3G card, if are any differences, in Canada we won't have UMTS untill the end of the year

yo3gjc said:
Iunutz6, Connex-Vod(k)afone is advertising 3.5G as so far I got from inside, they will incerease the speed to 7.2 Mbps. Just curious what would be UL and DL with a TYTN and with a normal PCMCIA 3G card, if are any differences, in Canada we won't have UMTS untill the end of the year
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as far as i know, they are in tests and about to release the 1.3Mbps speed very soon, if not released already. as for the 7.2 Mbps, i havent heard anything, but i can check, i got connections inside.. maybe that means already 4g (WiMax), which is... long far away from here...
as for the differencies between 3g card and 3g capable phone, there should be no difference, as long as you can cponvince your tytn to act as a modem for your laptop, for example (internet sharing)..
is this what u asked me?

ok... I haven't read this for a long time... so... I have the M3100 with WM6 and HSDPA enabled.... stil the speed is regular 3G... 350-360kb/s... I don't know...

so... good news...
in the morning I have done the test on I don't know what site and it showed no HSDPA... now... dslreports.com is up again.... speed test... 1016kb/s... this is real mobile life
so... I HAVE HSDPA!!!

UMTS?

Ok, I use the official dopod WM6 .. and I'm sure it's not related but for some reason I get a constant 3G/HSPDA connection which I NEVER had at my house.. and when I get a phone call it says UMTS AT&T .. anyone know what the UMTS is?

Umts=wcdma=3g

universal mobile telecommunications system..based on 3g

http://www.tech-faq.com/hsdpa.shtml
Per Tech-Fac: HSDPA is associated with the various Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) networks including the Global System for Mobile Communications (GSM).

Madcap...That is good

Madcap180 said:
Ok, I use the official dopod WM6 .. and I'm sure it's not related but for some reason I get a constant 3G/HSPDA connection which I NEVER had at my house.. and when I get a phone call it says UMTS AT&T .. anyone know what the UMTS is?
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If I choose AUTO in phone/band, it will constantly show up UMTS, and the reception will be really bad in my place. (Battery will run out in a day) But if I choose GSM, first off, reception is great & my battery is good for 3-4 days.
Is 3G that power hungry? Or it's simply due to bad 3G reception in my area?
Cheers,
Richard

its a combination of both.

rockrichard said:
If I choose AUTO in phone/band, it will constantly show up UMTS, and the reception will be really bad in my place. (Battery will run out in a day) But if I choose GSM, first off, reception is great & my battery is good for 3-4 days.
Is 3G that power hungry? Or it's simply due to bad 3G reception in my area?
Cheers,
Richard
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I live Center of manchester in UK, i have 100% connection to UMTS, and battery is totally dead in about 28-30hours, so no its not your bad connection!
I think 3G/UMTS just uses alot of power, and i have to say i have never used the UMTS for wat it is ment for, so i jus turn it off!!!

The only time it is used is when you need to download something.
check this out:
One of the main benefits of UMTS is its speed. Current rates of transfer for broadband information are 2 Mbits a second. This speed makes possible the kind of streaming video that can support movie downloads and video conferencing. In a sense, UMTS makes it possible for you to enjoy all of the functionality of your home computer while you are roaming. By combining wireless and satellite cellular technologies, UMTS takes advantage of all existing options to result in the Holy Grail of 3G presentation: seamless transitions between WiFi and satellite.

Pumpiron579 said:
The only time it is used is when you need to download something.
check this out:
One of the main benefits of UMTS is its speed. Current rates of transfer for broadband information are 2 Mbits a second. This speed makes possible the kind of streaming video that can support movie downloads and video conferencing. In a sense, UMTS makes it possible for you to enjoy all of the functionality of your home computer while you are roaming. By combining wireless and satellite cellular technologies, UMTS takes advantage of all existing options to result in the Holy Grail of 3G presentation: seamless transitions between WiFi and satellite.
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You say that the current rates of transfer are 2Mbits, but my understanding is that the Hermes chipset has a theoretical maximum of 1.8 with a typical 'good' speed of 1.2 to 1.5.

lol i feel like a noob, I had NO idea what UMTS was... and was scared i was roaming or somehing hahahah!

I pulled that specific info off the net....
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-umts.htm
Attn
Madcap, those HighHeels you sent me were too small

[Q] HSDPA & 3G connection on Rogers & Bell

Hi all,
I"m new here, with a quick question based on my usage today on both the Bell and Rogers network.
I unlocked my HTC Desire Z this afternoon, and I tried it out on Rogers to see what the speeds were like. It has been an odd experience. Here's the background, and my question is below.
Background:
- Aside from being unlocked, it is as originally shipped from Bell (e.g. no root access, ROM hasn't been flashed etc.)
- APN settings were taken from Rogers' own website (e.g. using rogers-core-appl1.apn).
- Speeds tested in downtown Toronto.
Experience so far:
Bell
I get a solid HSDPA indicator all the time (save elevators etc., when there is no connection). I can remember seeing a 3G connection icon perhaps once on Bell since I got it last week. Speeds are very good, four to five bars most of the time
Rogers
I get a solid 3G icon almost all of the time, except when I'm using data, in which case it seems to switch over to the HSDPA icon. Literally, it will show a 3G, and then if I try to browse the web, the icon will immediately switch to an H from a 3G and the web page will load quite quickly.
I was concerned that it was dropping the HSDPA connection frequently, and using 3G instead -- changing towers constantly. So I tried speedtesting it. The results were completely opposite what I expected.
Speedtest Results:
Using the Speedtest.net app (from Ookla) testing against the same Oakville, ON server from Toronto, I'm getting speeds dramatically faster on Rogers. I did three speedtests for each network.
Bell:
Fastest Down: 3411 kbps Fastest Up: 1633 kbps
Slowest Down: 1969 kbps Slowest Up: 1331 kbps
Rogers:
Fastest Down: 5740 kbps Fastest Up: 3766 kbps
Slowest Down: 5405 kbps Slowest Up: 1551 kbps
Ping latency was generally slightly higher on Rogers than Bell.
Question
Does anyone understand why, on Rogers, the Desire Z would be showing a 3G until data is requested, at which time it swaps over to show an H icon (e.g. HSDPA), whereas on Bell, it shows a constant HSDPA connection?
I would have thought that it would be slower on Rogers since it was showing 3G and then the icon switches to H, but I'm guessing that the icon switch isn't really reflecting what's going on, since the speeds are faster when this icon switch occurs. Any ideas?
Many thanks in advance!
TF

Its not just the Desire Z but also most smartphones on rogers. i had a samsung galaxy and it did the same thing. However, (correct me out there, if im wrong) But i remember reading the HSDPA was inbetween 3g and 3.5g?...i dont remmeber but to me i know that Rogers is faster, my brother has a Bell phone and my speeds were always faster.
heres a bit of help i found
HSDPA is actually one of the 3G protocols.
In everyday language HSDPA is often referred to as much faster than (basic) 3G so I would call it much faster as well.
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jark99 said:
Its not just the Desire Z but also most smartphones on rogers. i had a samsung galaxy and it did the same thing. However, (correct me out there, if im wrong) But i remember reading the HSDPA was inbetween 3g and 3.5g?...i dont remmeber but to me i know that Rogers is faster, my brother has a Bell phone and my speeds were always faster.
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Not sure there really is a 3.5G as such, but if there is, then HSDPA is it. It provides faster speeds than the standard 3G (UMTS) protocols. There's also HSPA+ coming out, which is even faster. HSPA+ isn't 4G, although confusingly some carriers in the US (T-Mobile I think ?) are referring to it as such.

On O2 in the UK, I get the same effect, holds at 3G then switches to HSDPA when in use. There doesn't seem to be any latency when switching and if it can't achieve HSDPA it remains at 3G. Speedtest returns about 1.5-2 Mbit which is normal.
I can only imagine its a power saving feature as from experience with the Touch Diamond 2 / Touch Pro 2, having HSDPA enabled sucked battery life significantly. I don't remember this happening on those phones either. Seems like a good idea, but would be nice to choose (always on, auto, always off)
I actually used to disable HSDPA and use 3G exclusively and consistently got 2-3 days out of both phones with moderate use. I never missed it.
Craig

craiglay said:
I can only imagine its a power saving feature as from experience with the Touch Diamond 2 / Touch Pro 2, having HSDPA enabled sucked battery life significantly. I don't remember this happening on those phones either. Seems like a good idea, but would be nice to choose (always on, auto, always off)
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That must be it -- interestingly, I went into the About Phone > Network > Signal Strength menu to check it out. When the icon is showing 3G, the "Mobile network type" is UTMS. When data is being transmitted, the icon immediately switches to H and the "Mobile network type" reports HSDPA.
Very cool -- I'm going to see if this -- by itself -- extends my battery life tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback!
TF

Just FYI -- there has been a dramatic improvement in my battery life on Rogers, compared to what I was experiencing on Bell. Typically, I would be at about 40% battery life left at this point in the day (presumably because I was constantly connected to HSDPA with Bell). Whereas I'm at 80% battery life left with the Rogers 3G connection, and I've still been connected to Wi-Fi for the past five hours and browsing reasonably heavily.
Thanks for your help in sorting this out everybody.
TF

Interesting, as Bell has rolled out several HSPA+ areas, Toronto being one of them, and Rogers still only has HSPA.
What I found odd on my DZ (still on Bells network) is that my Network Mode is GSM / WCDMA auto (never seen this on any other handset I've hand that's been HSDPA) and I understand that the HSDPA networks here are CDMA with a GSM overlay (ie, the need for a SIM card, etc) and I frequently see my icon changing from 3G to H (again, this is only on my DZ), but Bell only has a CDMA EVDO 3G network and the HSPA "3G+" network, there's not really a GSM enabled 3G network.
I'm confused, as on my Telus Milestone, it's constantly H, never once seen 3G appear on it, and Telus and Bell share their network.
Maybe I'm just horribly misinformed.

I donno if it is just me but I seem to be getting ridiculously slow 3G speeds here on my unlocked Desire Z using Rogers. I go to school in Hamilton at McMaster and most of the times the 3G is nigh on unusable because of its speeds. I don't know if it is an app or anything that has caused it because it was never slow when I first got the phone.
I am running the virtuous rom 0.72 atm. I do have half a mind to just factory reset the device adn see if that fixes the issues however I really don't want to lose all of my contacts and other settings that I have on this device.

TravelFiend said:
Rogers
I get a solid 3G icon almost all of the time, except when I'm using data, in which case it seems to switch over to the HSDPA icon. Literally, it will show a 3G, and then if I try to browse the web, the icon will immediately switch to an H from a 3G and the web page will load quite quickly.
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The same thing happening to me with Galaxy S,and this started a few days ago.
I unlocked my phone and I am using it on Telenor Serbia a and past two weeks it was just H all the time,now it's 3g all the time and when I start browsing it switch to H again and it work well,but why do that,should I be concern?

VladaP85 said:
The same thing happening to me with Galaxy S,and this started a few days ago.
I unlocked my phone and I am using it on Telenor Serbia a and past two weeks it was just H all the time,now it's 3g all the time and when I start browsing it switch to H again and it work well,but why do that,should I be concern?
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For me on O2 UK, it depends on the area.. Sometimes its solid 3G, sometimes solid H and sometimes 3G when idle, H when in use.. I guess its the base station software / hardware..
Craig

HAK Devil said:
I do have half a mind to just factory reset the device adn see if that fixes the issues however I really don't want to lose all of my contacts and other settings that I have on this device.
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If you've snyced with google then your contacts will just sync back. And I go to school at Mac as well and usually the speeds are really slow inside any buildings... If i don't have full bars then the speed will be crap, otherwise they are fine. But I am on Fido, not Bell.
Also, I thought that Bell didn't have a 2G GSM network? If that is the case then that could be why only H would be appearing...

craiglay said:
For me on O2 UK, it depends on the area.. Sometimes its solid 3G, sometimes solid H and sometimes 3G when idle, H when in use.. I guess its the base station software / hardware..
Craig
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But why this start to happen two day ago and not before... Should I call my operator or it's up to my phone. Maybe to do factory reset of change rom...

VladaP85 said:
But why this start to happen two day ago and not before... Should I call my operator or it's up to my phone. Maybe to do factory reset of change rom...
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It could be anything to be honest.. Your operator could have updated the base station.
It seems the phone is designed to do this probably to save power, HSDPA is battery intensive so having the phone in 3G while in standby probably saves quite a bit of power..
You could try emailing HTC with the question before your operator.
Regards
Craig

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Just FYI -- there has been a dramatic improvement in my battery life on Rogers, compared to what I was experiencing on Bell. Typically, I would be at about 40% battery life left at this point in the day (presumably because I was constantly connected to HSDPA with Bell). Whereas I'm at 80% battery life left with the Rogers 3G connection, and I've still been connected to Wi-Fi for the past five hours and browsing reasonably heavily.
Thanks for your help in sorting this out everybody.
TF
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Have you switched your phone to stay in umts only to get this dramatic battery gain?

craiglay said:
It could be anything to be honest.. Your operator could have updated the base station.
It seems the phone is designed to do this probably to save power, HSDPA is battery intensive so having the phone in 3G while in standby probably saves quite a bit of power..
You could try emailing HTC with the question before your operator.
Regards
Craig
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My phone is Samsung I9000 Galaxy S So maybe I will email Samsung...
Thanks,
Regards

From my understanding
GSM = 1G
GPRS= 2G = G
EDGE = 2.5G = E
UMTS = 3G = 3G
HSDPA/HSDUPA/HSPA+=3.5G = H
Since Rogers has all the above mentioned transceiver systems you will see that mostly on the Rogers network Android phones tend to stay on UMTS=3G switching to H only when more data throughput is required.
The battery life is much better on UMTS vs HSDPA hence you will get a better battery life on Rogers vs Bell.
Bell only has a HSDPA/HSPA+ network hence you will only see H
I am not claiming to be a 100% on this
Just my 2 cents by putting together 1 and 1

xdjneo said:
GSM = 1G
GPRS= 2G = G
EDGE = 2.5G = E
UMTS = 3G = 3G
HSDPA/HSDUPA/HSPA+=3.5G = H
Since Rogers has all the above mentioned transceiver systems you will see that mostly on the Rogers network Android phones tend to stay on UMTS=3G switching to H only when more data throughput is required.
The battery life is much better on UMTS vs HSDPA hence you will get a better battery life on Rogers vs Bell.
Bell only has a HSDPA/HSPA+ network hence you will only see H
I am not claiming to be a 100% on this
Just my 2 cents by putting together 1 and 1
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Nearly there (source Wikipedia),
GSM is 2G
GPRS is 2.5G
EDGE is 2.75G
UTMS is 3G
HSxPA is 3.5G
I would put HSPA+ as 3.75G as its slightly different to HSxPA but would settle for 3.5G
Broadly speaking battery life reduces the higher the generation but I think UTMS can be more efficient than 2.xG sometimes. (NOT HS... which is generally terrible all over hence the behaviour between 3G and H)
I always used to disable HSxPA because of the battery life, its just not easy on this phone. It requires root and editing a prop file..
Craig

HSUPA in android.

I was wondering if it is possible to enable HSUPA in android.

After doing some more Googling, it seems you just mean HSPA in general... as in 3g? Yes, it should work just fine. Are you only getting 2g/EDGE...? If so, you'll see an E next to the network signal. If you get 3g, you'll see a 3g icon...

Hey,
i think he means HSDPA and is the abbreviation of "High Speed Downlink Packet Access". It is a connection faster than 3G. Within Windows Mobile i got H and in Android 3G. A Friend just got the Desire Z and here appears the H for HSDPA in the upper right Corner of the Screen. I'm from Germany so i don't even know if this connection is worldwide available?!
HSDPA for your Information is a connection than can run 14,6 Mb/s. I've only found Sites in German, i guess this is not helpful?! .

Are you talking about HSPA+...? I don't think our phones support that.

@arrrghhh: I Think our Rhodium100_de should support HSPA+ if it is what we are talking about. In Windows Mobile there are 4 different modes G -> E -> 3G -> H. So there is GPRS -> EDGE -> 3G -> HSDPA. HSDPA is wide ranged in Germany and in bigger cities normal connection. So can there be a difference between our Rhodiums, that ours support HSDPA and the sold Versions in other countries not? Or is it just an illusion that german providers make to receive more users???

Hm... HSPA is like 3.5g... if the companies wanted to brand it a name. I misspoke earlier when I said 3g was HSPA. HSPA+ is being branded "4g" but it isn't truly 4g...
With that said, evidently WiMax isn't 4g, so no carrier that is advertising their service as 4g is truly running "4g"... stupid ITU-R. I'm pretty sure the phone CAN do HSPA, but CANNOT do HSPA+...
Also after reading it would make sense, HSPA is faster than standard "3g", so that would stand to reason.
I guess you would be a good one to ask Bieka, does Android support your HSPA connection? The phone's don't support HSPA+.

Hey arrrghhh,
yes it supports HSPA and no it don't . I think that the shown connection speed in WinMob is a little bit confusing. Running Android i get "only" 3G but this is just the phone was made for. I explored many sites with facts to the phone and everywhere the same! Supported 3G -as you said too- but no HSPA+ what is called HSDPA by the Providers in Germany and is acually 3.5G. So no need to "implent" HSPA+ cause there is no phone support at all . I think that WinMob isn't able to display the right connection speed.
I also tested my connection shown up as 3G with the speettest.net app and i get a speed of 1.94 Mbps download. It's actually not the limit of 3G but it's ok to view most sites and view youtube stuff. I just wanted to test a difference between android and WinMob but i didn't found any apps like the one in android and speedtest.net (and others) are using flash on their sites so the browser can't display that. So i couldn't check if the shown H in the upper right of WinMob is "real" or just 3G?! If there where a difference between the WinMob Speed i could say it exactly. So is there an app you know about?

Bieka said:
Hey arrrghhh,
yes it supports HSPA and no it don't . I think that the shown connection speed in WinMob is a little bit confusing. Running Android i get "only" 3G but this is just the phone was made for. I explored many sites with facts to the phone and everywhere the same! Supported 3G -as you said too- but no HSPA+ what is called HSDPA by the Providers in Germany and is acually 3.5G. So no need to "implent" HSPA+ cause there is no phone support at all . I think that WinMob isn't able to display the right connection speed.
I also tested my connection shown up as 3G with the speettest.net app and i get a speed of 1.94 Mbps download. It's actually not the limit of 3G but it's ok to view most sites and view youtube stuff. I just wanted to test a difference between android and WinMob but i didn't found any apps like the one in android and speedtest.net (and others) are using flash on their sites so the browser can't display that. So i couldn't check if the shown H in the upper right of WinMob is "real" or just 3G?! If there where a difference between the WinMob Speed i could say it exactly. So is there an app you know about?
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Bieka
I was wondering this exact same thing the other day. I found this but havn't tested it. If i get a chance later I will as I get the H in winmob in the office here
OK I ran it twice with H showing in win and got a max of 7.37 Mbps and average 6.4Mbps

Difference between 4G and LTE?

LTE and 4G are the same? because i know that glide doesnt has lte, but when i use the mobile data, i see the 4G icon. i always have that question. thanks

4g is hsdpa+, which is slightly above 3g, but not quite 4g. It still is fast enough
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Laugher19 said:
4g is hsdpa+, which is slightly above 3g, but not quite 4g. It still is fast enough
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Then , is better than 3.5G ? (here we know that like 3g and 3.5g). Thanks, for your help thats clear me that question (sorry for my english )

It pretty much is 3.5g.
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To give you an idea, LTE can "theoretically" max at 300 mbps (mbps = mega bits per second -- most carriers/ISP's provide this), which would translate to 37.5 megabytes/sec. Do you get that now? Very unlikely. Friends who have LTE are only getting around 24 mbps, which is still really fast.
HSPA+, which is what AT&T's "4G" (not 4G LTE -- it's the 3.5G) as well as T-Mobile's has a peak of about 42 mbps -- and I've seen folks here (Houston) get really close to that in speed -- which translates to a little over 5 megabytes/sec.
T-Mo and AT&T are actively working to get more and more LTE towers and service created (they have HSPA+). T-Mo hasn't rolled theirs out at all, except I think for testing in a few select, small markets, if I remember correctly. AT&T has service in LTE already established.
LTE is the way of the future at the moment. Kind of like the HD-DVD vs bluray debacle years ago -- LTE won out over another 4G technology, WiMax, which was on several earlier phones on Sprint. Sprint finally conceded it lost and start building out an LTE network to replace their WiMax one.
Hopefully, that's a NICE BIG chunk of knowledge that you can partially digest.

terinfire said:
To give you an idea, LTE can "theoretically" max at 300 mbps (mbps = mega bits per second -- most carriers/ISP's provide this), which would translate to 37.5 megabytes/sec. Do you get that now? Very unlikely. Friends who have LTE are only getting around 24 mbps, which is still really fast.
HSPA+, which is what AT&T's "4G" (not 4G LTE -- it's the 3.5G) as well as T-Mobile's has a peak of about 42 mbps -- and I've seen folks here (Houston) get really close to that in speed -- which translates to a little over 5 megabytes/sec.
T-Mo and AT&T are actively working to get more and more LTE towers and service created (they have HSPA+). T-Mo hasn't rolled theirs out at all, except I think for testing in a few select, small markets, if I remember correctly. AT&T has service in LTE already established.
LTE is the way of the future at the moment. Kind of like the HD-DVD vs bluray debacle years ago -- LTE won out over another 4G technology, WiMax, which was on several earlier phones on Sprint. Sprint finally conceded it lost and start building out an LTE network to replace their WiMax one.
Hopefully, that's a NICE BIG chunk of knowledge that you can partially digest.
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Ya it's a huge difference, put it like this;
We get 3mbps and LTE gets 30mbps. Of course I am over simplifying things but LTE is about 10X faster then 3G which is what we have.

dudejb said:
Ya it's a huge difference, put it like this;
We get 3mbps and LTE gets 30mbps. Of course I am over simplifying things but LTE is about 10X faster then 3G which is what we have.
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Depends on where they're deployed, though. At the moment, in my mind, though, HSPA+ is fast enough. LTE is nice and important for future-proofing, but I don't see a need for it for another... probably 3-5 years. Keep in mind, most people's home internet is like 3-12 mbps on average. HSPA+ current results for my city are WELL above this for all providers.
You realize that Cappy Glide can get HSPA+ which goes up to 42mbps -- you could theoretically download at > 5 megabytes/sec under ideal circumstances... I currently pull around 1-2 megabytes/sec... Why would you ever need more on this current gen -- especially with data-capping?

Just saying I have a friend on the same cellular provider as me and he has that new Windows Phone from Nokia on LTE and me with the glide. We did a speed test and I got around 2.5mbps and he got 25.mbps. I agree for everyday stuff 2.5 mbps is enough, but I just have to say I was drooling when I saw the speed he was getting on Rogers which is whoI have.
I have 2 years left on my Contract and I am happy with my Glide but for sure in 2 years I will make sure my next phone is a LTE device. I have a 6Gigs download cap so I am not to worried about caps after all it is a cell phone and 6 gigs should be plenty.

Fair enough -- seems that Rogers is much different as a carrier than the ones here in the US. I've had friends on HSPA+ on T-Mobile at like 30ish mbps and friends on LTE on Verizon at 35 mbps. It wasn't a super big difference. But until you hit double-digits on the speed, I can totally understand the drool you emit and why.

thanks, thats clear e a lot i always think that 4G was behind of lte but better than 3.5G, because my glide is the unique phone that i see with 4G icon (all the phones here only has 3G icon or H+ and the modems wcdma or Hsdpa) i am not in USA or Canada

I wouldnt say that 4G is HSDPA+ ..
Let's get back to begining ...
1. GSM (2G) 9.6 kbps,
2. GPRS (2G) 40 kbps
3. EDGE (2G) 120 kbps
4. WCDMA (3G) = UMTS and HSDPA 14Mbps
5. HSPA and HSUPA (3.5G) = HSPA+ 28Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
6. DC-HSDPA (4G) 42Mbps and up (unreal speeds / market speeds)
7. OFDMA (LTE/WiMAX) 100Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
Here is reality : http://www.zdnet.com/au/speed-test-how-fast-is-4g-really-7000007995/

iEthos said:
I wouldnt say that 4G is HSDPA+ ..
Let's get back to begining ...
1. GSM (2G) 9.6 kbps,
2. GPRS (2G) 40 kbps
3. EDGE (2G) 120 kbps
4. WCDMA (3G) = UMTS and HSDPA 14Mbps
5. HSPA and HSUPA (3.5G) = HSPA+ 28Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
6. DC-HSDPA (4G) 42Mbps and up (unreal speeds / market speeds)
7. OFDMA (LTE/WiMAX) 100Mbps (unreal speeds / market speeds)
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That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.

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That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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Man I don't know what u talking your words are misleading.. sorry

roothorick said:
That table is misleading. Most cablecos have rolled out DOCSIS3, capable of 50Mbps at the low end, yet you'd be lucky if there's a 20Mbps package available at all. VDSL is a similar story. Realistically, you're gonna see one, maybe two Mbps real-world, even on LTE. When you're talking about actual bandwidth delivered to your device, you won't see ANY improvement upgrading past UMTS. In the US market, all the benefits of the newer technologies are exclusively on the side of the carriers -- you will see nothing.
Stay on WiFi, folks.
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Lololololololol now that I've laughed enough. Play an online game on UMTS and on LTE or download a file or game or video the come talk to me. LTE is not just for the benefits of the carriers.
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enik_fox said:
Lololololololol now that I've laughed enough. Play an online game on UMTS and on LTE or download a file or game or video the come talk to me. LTE is not just for the benefits of the carriers.
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OK u are the maaan

The Captivate Glide on AT&T in the US is capable of a rated 21Mbps maximum speed...I have one on a NET10/AT&T SIM in Los Angeles and have so far seen up to 11Mbps in speed tests, but it can also be much slower, dependent on the traffic on the network where I happen to be - the phone's indicator nearly always says "4G" even if my download speeds are less than 500k. If you have a Samsung Relay on T-Mobile (the closest phone to the Captivate Glide design-wise) it has a max rated speed of 42Mbps, and the T-Mobile network usually has faster average data speeds regardless, as long as you're on 4G, but their network is smaller. At this point I'm paying $46 a month on NET10/AT&T versus $55 a month on Page Plus for a 3G phone that maxes at 2.5Mbps (usually around 1200k) on Verizon's network, both with 2GB of data (I use WiFi as much as possible). For my needs I'm willing to spend a lot less with a MVNO prepaid network and live with the HSPA+, rather than paying $100 a month and up for LTE on Verizon, AT&T or Sprint - LTE is also a big battery hog. The fact I was able to get a slightly used Glide for around $100 helped as well, rather than paying hundreds more for an LTE phone and/or being locked into an expensive contract.

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The Captivate Glide on AT&T in the US is capable of a rated 21Mbps maximum speed...I have one on a NET10/AT&T SIM in Los Angeles and have so far seen up to 11Mbps in speed tests, but it can also be much slower, dependent on the traffic on the network where I happen to be - the phone's indicator nearly always says "4G" even if my download speeds are less than 500k. If you have a Samsung Relay on T-Mobile (the closest phone to the Captivate Glide design-wise) it has a max rated speed of 42Mbps, and the T-Mobile network usually has faster average data speeds regardless, as long as you're on 4G, but their network is smaller. At this point I'm paying $46 a month on NET10/AT&T versus $55 a month on Page Plus for a 3G phone that maxes at 2.5Mbps (usually around 1200k) on Verizon's network, both with 2GB of data (I use WiFi as much as possible). For my needs I'm willing to spend a lot less with a MVNO prepaid network and live with the HSPA+, rather than paying $100 a month and up for LTE on Verizon, AT&T or Sprint - LTE is also a big battery hog. The fact I was able to get a slightly used Glide for around $100 helped as well, rather than paying hundreds more for an LTE phone and/or being locked into an expensive contract.
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UUf i would never pay so much ..
I have one contract for 12 months (sim only) so am locked but am paying £15 a month and I have unlimited internet and unlim. SMS , then 600 minutes that my girlfriend uses .. (she never use all 600 minutes .. she is texting more ..)
And I had Giff Gaff previously .. it is based on O2 but it is cheaper and it is sim only . I used to pay £10 a month for unlimited internet unlim. texts and 250 minutes .. BUT they increased package to £12 so I started NOT liking it cos speed is not as fast as on 3 network
So I have decided to go with 3 network (same as my girlfriend) but it is SIM only pay as u go so it is 15 pounds a month no contract am not locked and I have same package as girlfriend but NOT 600 minutes but 300 minutes of call .. and that is way enough for me .. internet and SMS unlimited that is my priority..