Dear community,
We have our Defy section which is totally awesome. Now it's time to begin the real work here.
I wanted to spend some time with the Defy Android development and wanted to know if we could gather information about the bootloader, kernel and the bootstrap recovery here.
I just want to know how Motorola tries to secure their phones and how we could work around the protection.
Every helpful post is welcome. Let's see if we can beat Motorola and make the Defy one of the best phones around (or is it already?...no doubt is awesome!)
Best regards,
DunkDream
This site should be of some use.
https://www.droid-developers.org/
lots of info about motorola devices and all about the boot processes, hardware ect. Hope this helps.
And see here. Custom recovery is on the way along with custom roms.
I didn't understand if for the defy there is still a bootloader problem to solve or if it's a question to find cookers who have time to make a defy custom rom...Anybody have some fresh news?
Trust me since Handler got his defy you will have a custom recovery and roms. He does good work, just be patient
He does seem confident about it I sure hope to get froyo on this rugged little beast
Damool said:
He does seem confident about it I sure hope to get froyo on this rugged little beast
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Yes, at least for C2DM capability!
I'll buy a beer to Handler when he suceeds!
anyone know where can i find a Tmo defy sbf?
It seems that Handler already started to work with the Motorola Defy.
Hope he realizes that the Defy is such a great phone.
I'm sure that he'll do it...he'll get us a receovery method and custom Roms.
AND he can be sure to get a donation if he succeeds. That's a point of honour.
Hope then good news from Handler...
Anyway this is my very firt android device I know few things about cooking in the android world I cooked some winmo roms and I don't know if there are similarities. Many of you have some experience in this field so I ask you an advice on where I could start to learn the structure of the android roms and the tools to use...
kibiwi said:
Hope then good news from Handler...
Anyway this is my very firt android device I know few things about cooking in the android world I cooked some winmo roms and I don't know if there are similarities. Many of you have some experience in this field so I ask you an advice on where I could start to learn the structure of the android roms and the tools to use...
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This might help: http://twon23.blogspot.com/2010/11/android-for-beginners.html
Just a few links i put together on my blog to help android newbies. Some of it may be a bit basic but it has got some useful stuff there.
kibiwi said:
Hope then good news from Handler...
Anyway this is my very firt android device I know few things about cooking in the android world I cooked some winmo roms and I don't know if there are similarities. Many of you have some experience in this field so I ask you an advice on where I could start to learn the structure of the android roms and the tools to use...
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Thanks I'll have a look at it I am a bit curious to learn more on Android...
I remember doing a TP (test point) helped to flash cracked bootloader on my older Motorola...
Can it apply to our Android device?
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Hi,
i guess no one will do it!
Maybe there is no interesst in cooking own bootloader to kill closed booloader from moto.
Hacking the bootloader will also be easy for hackers (perferct hackers )
But no one do it.
it seems all people with the capacity to hack the bootloader aren't interested in doing it.
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Hello All,
I am using the O2 UK stock ROM for alreadz 2 monthes. now iam wondering if i should try to flash the device with one of the ROMs here.
can anyone tell me if i should do it or not, what is the advantage of flashing a new ROM?
thank you
Mostly to improve performance and stability, also to fix some problems.
All new roms comes with new AKU version, this is something like SP for Windows systems.
before you flash
always read the 1st post or 2 of the rom you are flashing.
all the info you should need is there
this way you won't be back and your next post won't be....
"help i have bricked my diamond"
good luck and have fun!
When you are happy with your phone now, don't flash it.
If you have issues, see if a new rom fixes it.
its all about the speed man!!!
and making it look unique
Flashing always has its small or big issues.
When you don't know what flashing is about anyway, why would he bother?
I first flashed a new ROM with ELFin and the speed was mind-blowing, not to mention the extra free space and RAM. For me, it's a must.
Just make sure enough people have downloaded and commented on its reliability and stability as well as the above (i.e. speed, RAM etc).
*READ*
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Hello All,
I am using the O2 UK stock ROM for alreadz 2 monthes. now iam wondering if i should try to flash the device with one of the ROMs here.
can anyone tell me if i should do it or not, what is the advantage of flashing a new ROM?
thank you
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If you are happy running your stock O2 rom then just keep it that way & maybe just read up on customizing your phone.
Rom flashing on a £400 phone should only really be done if you know what your doing, so if you do decide to flash a custom rom to your phone then you better get busy reading up on the do's & especially the dont's otherwise you could end up with a £400 brick
read the wiki's
read the tuts/info/ posts on cid/ sim/ security stuff.
read read then read again is my advice, because it's amazing the amount of people that brick their phones just by pure ignorance.
For me it's a no brainer I like modding anything & everything nm just phones hehehe
Any's good luck on which ever you choose to do
It it works and you are happy with it don't flash. It really all depends if there is any thing in the new rom that you want.
Hi guys,
I just got my Desire and I am interested in rooting it. I would appreciate if someone briefly can tell me what the advantages/disadvantages of rooting.
Also, where do I start with the rooting process?
Thanks so much in advance
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Hi guys,
I just got my Desire and I am interested in rooting it. I would appreciate if someone briefly can tell me what the advantages/disadvantages of rooting.
Also, where do I start with the rooting process?
Thanks so much in advance
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@Dodolom - welcome
Best place to start reading about the rooting process is in the sticky at the top of this thread. Lots of information by many smart guys, so take your time and read through the lot before doing anything.
Why root? Well by rooting you can install custom ROMs which contain new software or customisations and programs outside of the stuff that HTC chooses to provide in their stock ROMs.
Good luck.
And just a word of advice - have a good read of all the stuff in the forum before asking questions. Will most certainly reduce the risk of you getting flamed
thanks mate.
Also, just run the phone as it is - you may find it does what you want it to do out the box - rooting is only neccessary if something you wish to do isn't available without rooting...
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@dodolom - welcome
best place to start reading about the rooting process is in the sticky at the top of this thread. Lots of information by many smart guys, so take your time and read through the lot before doing anything.
Why root? Well by rooting you can install custom roms which contain new software or customisations and programs outside of the stuff that htc chooses to provide in their stock roms.
Good luck.
And just a word of advice - have a good read of all the stuff in the forum before asking questions. Will most certainly reduce the risk of you getting flamed
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flame flame flame flame :d
At the moment, I wouldn't say it's very advantageous to root your desire. I rooted my G1 back in the day (only a year or so ago I know ) - but with the Desire, the rooting process still leaves part of the OS locked down, which means you still don't get full control over it.
The only advantage I could see at the moment for rooting the desire would be to get Apps 2 SD. However this is rumoured to be a new feature in Android 2.2 (Froyo) which is due for release within the next month or 2 for Desires. So rather than void your warranty and risk bricking your phone. It might be better to wait for 2.2 and see what you get with that!
i have no idea why everyne doesnt root the desire when they get it... goto modaco.com goto the desire section and follow the r6 riskfree root process and now ou will have a world class phone that you can install app2sd , app2sd+ or app2sd++ nt to mention all the custom roms... good luck
What's the difference between app2sd, app2sd+ and app2sd++ ???
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How to update HTC Desier to Android 2.2
kraukscis said:
How to update HTC Desier to Android 2.2
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due to there is no official 2.2 from htc you must flash a cooked rom. Within the cooked rom you'll find the flashing procedure.
Thanks but what is cooked rom
First thread, sticky in this section; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696189 explains it all, you even have video-tutorials
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How to update HTC Desier to Android 2.2
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And please use search before posting! When you signed up to these forums you agreed to the forum rules, and the number 1 rule is:
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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Everything you need to know is here, but always search before asking.
Regards,
Dave
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Thanks but what is cooked rom
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I do agree that you really should read at least some information in the sticky threads before asking such a basic question, but i took the time below anyway, but afterwards please let those sticky's answer your questions
A cooked ROM is either a freshly compiled version of android, or a port. Then there are numerous advantages and addons, the common one is that you always have root-acces, basically "administrative" access to things that stock-roms try to keep you away from.
Cooked roms was especially great some time ago, when android didn't provide tethering support (internet sharing), paid apps was more limited, hardware on phones was more restricted and with cooked roms you could overclock the cpu, move applications to your sdcard and have a linux-kernel that left you with more available RAM.
Then there's often other hacks and cooked roms are almost always faster than stock-roms.
The only disadvantages is that by messing with these kinda things you void your garantuie. Most of the time, rooting is safe and tested before published, but if youre flashing a newe radio-version or spl (a separate part, not the actual ROM) there is a risk for "brick" leaving your phone unusable in some case.
That said, if you experience some kind of hardware issue that you know isnt related to the ROM, you can "unroot" your device, basically put back the original rom so that it doesnt appear modified at the repair center.
Desire is very easy to root, a simple script you run on your computer updates your stock rom with a rooted one, leaving your settings and all as it was, but with root acces and the posibility so change rom if you like
I would suggest, respectfully, that if the OP does not know what a cooked rom is, or that there is no official 2.2 as of yet, that perhaps trying to root may not be something they do until they've read up on it a lot more.
Thread is at gas mark 7 !
this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=673103&highlight=a2sd made my previous post totally unneccessary, but thats whats happends on these kinda threads, sigh..
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robbiekhan said:
Thread is at gas mark 7 !
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LMAO!
Damn 10 Chars
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ROTFLOLWPIMP
10 chars in one acronym. Splendid!
Guys & Gals,
We really should start focussing on android on NAND for us blackstone users.
I will be glad to help and I will be updating this post and the below on my progress.
The Rhodium have now fixed their panel issues they were experiencing on nand thanks to ACL.
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870081
(BLACKSTONE USERS DO NOT FLASH ANY FILES FROM THE ABOVE LINK - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)
As I have said beforehand we will need to trace the NAND memory access points via haret to input the correct values into the tinboot source before compiling, once that has been done we can create a nbh with a kernel and all other relevant files to initialise tinboot. I will have a crack at that so that we at least get tinboot loaded but I may need some help from willing developers if any.
Once we have tinboot sucessfully initialised we will then move onto the more daunting task's of booting the userland and initialising hardware as at the moment winmo is doing that for us.
Welcoming any developers wishing to help.
Best Regards,
ST1Cl<^^aN
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Stickman89 said:
Guys & Gals,
We really should start focussing on android on NAND for us blackstone users.
I will be glad to help and I will be updating this post and the below on my progress.
The Rhodium have now fixed their panel issues they were experiencing on nand thanks to ACL.
Link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=870081
(BLACKSTONE USERS DO NOT FLASH ANY FILES FROM THE ABOVE LINK - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)
As I have said beforehand we will need to trace the NAND memory access points via haret to input the correct values into the tinboot source before compiling, once that has been done we can create a nbh with a kernel and all other relevant files to initialise tinboot. I will have a crack at that so that we at least get tinboot loaded but I may need some help from willing developers if any.
Once we have tinboot sucessfully initialised we will then move onto the more daunting task's of booting the userland and initialising hardware as at the moment winmo is doing that for us.
Welcoming any developers wishing to help.
Best Regards,
ST1Cl<^^aN
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good idea man
but sorry i didn't have any knowledge a bout that
all what i can say is goooo ahead man
I think that's a great ideea but first we need the nand map which is hard and tricky to obtain . After that, it will be a piece of cake .
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Go go go
Devs, please do this. Sorry to say I dont have any usefullness in the project. Maybe as a tester
Well, for now there's no Blackstone specific development (at least @ #htc-linux) because there are no devs with our phone. Camro and OliWe went AWOL and even people with much less skill are not active at the moment.
Anyway if we'll find just one person interested in doing this - I'm happy to help (testing/building/research/tracing).
maybe we could ask other devs to help us
like neopeek???..............
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maybe we could ask other devs to help us
like neopeek???..............
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I'm sure they will help us, but we REALLY need someone with Blackstone & coding skills to do NAND boot. Other devs are busy fixing bugs in "common" kernel or their specific devices.
BTW. Neopeek won't help because he builds Android system and we need a Linux kernel guys.
If I can get hold of DZO things can progress further hopefully. I will keep you all updated.
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I'm sure they will help us, but we REALLY need someone with Blackstone & coding skills to do NAND boot. Other devs are busy fixing bugs in "common" kernel or their specific devices.
BTW. Neopeek won't help because he builds Android system and we need a Linux kernel guys.
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Actually Neopeek is searching for NAND devs for our blackstone: http://www.neopeek.com/forum/Android-ROMs/2595-Searching-for-NAND-Developers
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Actually Neopeek is searching for NAND devs for our blackstone: http://www.neopeek.com/forum/Android-ROMs/2595-Searching-for-NAND-Developers
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So he's in the exact same spot?
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So he's in the exact same spot?
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maybe
as we are not developers
and neopeek webiste has a developer forum which we can see at the moment
but he might be working on it with other developers
i hope
of course you could always ask neopeek . Maybe some other guys over at neopeek can help you.
NAND for our blackstones would be awesome . I'd love to test it when it's done. Will be keeping an eye on this thread for sure.
NAND for our blackstones would be awesome . I'd love to test it when it's done. Will be keeping an eye on this thread for sure.[/QUOTE]
me too
yes we all would love that but we need a lot of kernel level development,porting,hacking and testing before we could move to NAND.
yh but since other android build have not been updating yet
maybe of the holidays or gingerbeard
looks like the updates might come next year (january i hope)
if some one get nand to work i will donate him really if the first person with full functions work with nand ill donate the person 20 usd!
Would be great if Magldr or LK worked with our Blackstones. I don't know how much work it would be since I'm not a hardcore programmer. Right now a lot of focus is on HD2 and Rhodiums though. Hope devs are not forgetting Blackstone.
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Would be great if Magldr or LK worked with our Blackstones. I don't know how much work it would be since I'm not a hardcore programmer. Right now a lot of focus is on HD2 and Rhodiums though. Hope devs are not forgetting Blackstone.
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This is indeed a sad trend i've also noticed, no one really seems to care about our poor blackstone :/
Hello!
I bought an used FlipSide MB508, and would like to upgrade it in some way, so I wonder if may be some news about a custom rom at this date, since the last messagues are from some time ago.
Also,I wonder if there is so much diference or if may be possible to upgrade the MB508 with a custom rom of the BackFlip since over the net, seems like if they may possible be very similar if not the same internal hardware.
Also, wonder if could be possible to use some utility for get Apps2SD under the 2.1 android and also if may be possible some trick to make available JIT enable in order to try to improve memory use and some speed on the MB508.
Thanks for attention and best regards!
Hey man...I've asked about tying a backflip ROM and the general response is that it wont wokr...I havent tried it but it seems to be general knowledge. charm and FlipOut ROMs will work but there is little development on those as well. As for the other stuff...not sure man
Hello JBallin4life27!
Thanks for take time to reply, ...well, if may be possible that FlipOut ROMs, then may be some hope in the Angel ROM, may You know if in that case the FlipOut ROM could be simple directly installed over a FlipSide or may be required some mod by a developer.
Thanks again and best regards!
Yea i'm hoping the Angel ROM might work. I've checked it out already and so far it isn't functional for the FlipOut or Flipside yet. I did try the soft ROM with no motoblur and it worked but it def needs to be modified a bit to properly work for the Flipside so I'm assuming the Angel ROM would need to be modified as well....but that's just my assumption and in my experiences assuming things doesn't always get you to the truth you seek lol.
JBallin4life27 said:
I did try the soft ROM with no motoblur and it worked but it def needs to be modified a bit to properly work for the Flipside.
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Hello!
Thanks for comment, and about it, I would like to ask if could clarify me about the "it def needs to be modified" (what is def about you refer?) and if You could provide me with a Link about this Soft ROM?
Thank You very much and best regards!
Sorry, def is just short for definitely, like "for sure." And sure...here is the link...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=791
hope you can figure something out
maybe soon...
Motorola is beta testing a froyo rom finally. Hopefully very soon we can have a froyo image for you wonderful developers!!!