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http://twitter.com/ckindel
Tweets:
"This author gets it: It's a challenge. Are we up for it? I think we are. Let us know if I'm right after MIX. http://is.gd/8WA4V "
Just maybe MS will get this right ?
From the little I know about Charlie Kindel and the brief video he did on Channel 9 I've got a good feeling that they'll nail it.
A difficult question that we won't know the answer to until MIX.
Right now, it seems like they don't get it.
They will be more than two years and 200.000 applications behind Apple when WP7 launches!
To catch up, they have to be much better. Simply copying Apple won't be enough, but it seems like that's exactly what they're trying:
Right now, they charge developers even more than Apple for access to the Marketplace.
Visual Studio, XNA, Silverlight are fine - but there's not much wrong with Apple's developer tools and both restrict the number of APIs that developers can use.
Apple has no multitasking, thus they could beat them with a great multitasking/task switching concept, like Palm's - but right now, it seems that they not only have no good concept, but might even copy Apple and have no multitasking at all.
They certainly have a few advantages, but will those be enough to catch up? I doubt it.
What makes you think that somebody needs to match the number of applications in AppStore to have an equal or greater market share?
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What makes you think that somebody needs to match the number of applications in AppStore to have an equal or greater market share?
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Exactly. 139,900 of the 140,000 apps in the iPhone App store are complete ****.
@RustyGrom
Very good point.. there is clearly a point of saturation in the app market and I dont think anyone is willing to "try out" 10,000 apps (much less 100,000) to find one they need.. LOL
I just found the tweet to be rather confident... and almost teasing as to what is to come.. did peek my interest to say the least...
In addtion.. it is rather compelling to think I can be productive etc on my mobile device without installing 50 apps !
What makes this guy's tweet so important? Who is he?
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What makes this guy's tweet so important? Who is he?
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In charge of the developer ecosystem for WP7. If you want to complain about .net/XNA/Silverlight/multi-tasking/etc, he's the guy to complain to.
Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification. I think, however, that he's the wrongest guy to complain to if he's in charge of all this.
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In charge of the developer ecosystem for WP7. If you want to complain about .net/XNA/Silverlight/multi-tasking/etc, he's the guy to complain to.
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To be honest.... I dont think complaining now is going to help.. what they have designed is done... I doubt it will change significantly between now and release with respect to the development environment..
MS has traditionally had the developer environment pretty set... long before the beta/RC level.. so.. while they may have some flexibility with the primary developer environment vs more native enviroment (api's) I doubt there will be big changes..
I dont doubt there will be at least some dev upheaval .. because I doubt they will take the entire API and just hand it over..
I just have this curiosity.. that perhaps they have covered all the bases.. especially for devs... that remains to be seen...
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I'm not saying people SHOULD complain, just saying that if you must, he's your target hah. Don't waste your keystrokes on here because you'll just drive all of us insane.
I don't get those developers(since I'm not a developer maybe that's why). They moan about the difficulties of developing for multiple hardware specs etc. when it comes to WP7S. Doesn't the same problem exist for Android? Many different phones with different hardware specs, yet lots of apps. Is Android magic? Is that why it's not a problem for Google?
As for the other things like developer support, maybe Microsoft actually has the ability to change. So they did a piss poor job in the past, does that mean they have to do a piss poor job for eternity?
Personally I think some of those people have a grudge against Microsoft for whatever reason. If they don't wanna develop for WP7S then that's their choice. I'm betting there are many others who will.
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Silverdragondk said:
I don't get those developers(since I'm not a developer maybe that's why). They moan about the difficulties of developing for multiple hardware specs etc. when it comes to WP7S. Doesn't the same problem exist for Android? Many different phones with different hardware specs, yet lots of apps. Is Android magic? Is that why it's not a problem for Google?
As for the other things like developer support, maybe Microsoft actually has the ability to change. So they did a piss poor job in the past, does that mean they have to do a piss poor job for eternity?
Personally I think some of those people have a grudge against Microsoft for whatever reason. If they don't wanna develop for WP7S then that's their choice. I'm betting there are many others who will.
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Exactly. All of the 'developers' quoted are actually executives at their respective companies.
Android does have a huge problem with fragmentation. Just look at Google's own newly released Google Earth app... it only works on the Nexus One!!!
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Android does have a huge problem with fragmentation.
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And they managed to create this mess in such a short time it's scary to imagine what else they can achieve in a couple of years.
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And they managed to create this mess in such a short time it's scary to imagine what else they can achieve in a couple of years.
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It's almost hysterical to me that they are making the EXACT same mistakes that Microsoft made with Windows Mobile. Yet, the tech press seems to love Android. But even they are starting to say 'WTF' when Google releases apps that are restricted to a small segment of their install base. The love affair is ending.
Clipboard:
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms589129(v=VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.uielement.mouserightbuttondown(VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.controls.primitives.popup(v=VS.95).aspx
See? All supported in Silverlight 4. Once the phone runs Silverlight 4, it'll support these.
There, done, now you can shut up and stop complaining about it missing. Thank you.
Why stop complaining? It's still missing. What about you shutting up until they finally add it?
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Clipboard:
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms589129(v=VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.uielement.mouserightbuttondown(VS.95).aspx
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.controls.primitives.popup(v=VS.95).aspx
See? All supported in Silverlight 4. Once the phone runs Silverlight 4, it'll support these.
There, done, now you can shut up and stop complaining about it missing. Thank you.
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Who's to say it'll run Silverlight 4?
darkmurder said:
Who's to say it'll run Silverlight 4?
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Microsoft?
When? 2-3 years or later...
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does it support c&p now? no, well untill(if) they add those features, I will complain.
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does they say when? seriously I don't want to wait few years untill ms add this.
We can complain here as much as we want.
Our right as customers.
I will never agree to beeing limited yet forced to acknowledge this as having
more possibilities.
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Got a quote thats from their mouth saying itll get Silverlight 4? Cheers mate!
They will add Silverlight 4. Don't know where I heard them say that, but they did.
Nevertheless, copy&paste isn't there now and who knows how long it will take them to add it?
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Got a quote thats from their mouth saying itll get Silverlight 4? Cheers mate!
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Pretty sure they said it at MIX. I'm not going to dig through hours of video to find it though. And jeeze, you act like it's some sort of crazy idea. It's already running Silverlight 3+. Silverlight 4 was just finished recently. They don't have time to include it before launch.
It's rather illogical to say a phone based on Silverlight, wouldn't be upgraded to the latest version of Silverlight eventually.
And yes, SL4 was released 2 months after the WP7 preview
And it is silly to think that phone based only on silverlight won't support silverlight in Internet Explorer. Oh, wait
Copy and Paste took only 3 major versions of iPhone OS upgrades to be implemented. Why in 2010 I need to go back in time and live without C&P, while iPhone, Android and even Windows Mobile have it.
You know the Android implementation of copy&paste is terrible broken right? But feel free to get a Android, I'm sure the "no paid apps in Europe" makes it a GREAT alternative.
It never ceases to amaze me that people keep focus on the smallest of small issues, instead of the actual problems. I guess the truth is people are just annoyed about the alternatives being so crappy, that they have to complain about something to justify not buying the phone at first possible option.
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Pretty sure they said it at MIX. I'm not going to dig through hours of video to find it though. And jeeze, you act like it's some sort of crazy idea. It's already running Silverlight 3+. Silverlight 4 was just finished recently. They don't have time to include it before launch.
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Ok thats all I wanted to hear, sorry if I came across as prudent I just don't want to get my hopes up then be disappointed later on
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You know the Android implementation of copy&paste is terrible broken right? But feel free to get a Android, I'm sure the "no paid apps in Europe" makes it a GREAT alternative.
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Android is Google's first foray into the OS business. Microsoft has been around for decades. Windows 3.1 had c&p, Microsoft 1.0 had it (remember this? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4915875929930836239#docid=-2992183880068262304) heck, even my old Commodore 64 running GEOS had it. So yes! I am a bit surprised to see such a basic feature missing in the latest Microsoft OS.
btw WP7 marketplace will only be for 17 countries and no sideloading alternative. If you could sideload, a developer can sell you the app from his website or on an alternative such as slideme
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_.../07/13/windows-phone-7-getting-connected.aspx
17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
And as I said with this topic, copy&paste is already made. It's just not supported yet, because the Silverlight 4 implementation was first finished in April.
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17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
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Gameloft can actually sell their Android games to people living in your country since they can sell from their website. They won't have to worry about app approval restrictions, paying a share of their profits to anyone, or the race to the bottom where everything ends up selling for under $1.
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Gameloft can actually sell their Android games to people living in your country since they can sell from their website. They won't have to worry about app approval restrictions, paying a share of their profits to anyone, or the race to the bottom where everything ends up selling for under $1.
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And have to do their own marketing, setup a payment site and distribution channel, and deal with piracy!
And they can't sell apps directly on the phone, but have to guide users to a often long and complicated website url, and a site that's probably not even optimized for mobile phones.
You don't see the big issues here? Distribution and marketing is much much bigger issues than anything else.
Its not the same,
for instance if you send me an email with a coupon code in it, and now I want to paste that on the website of the specified vendor, I cant do it. Outlook doesn't support copy, and IE doesn't support paste.
Oh no!! i am compelled to either remember an 8 digit alpha numeric code (or write it down, sounds pretty primitive to me). What if it was an mailing address on a website that you wanted to email a friend - that's even worse.
I see no reason to stop complaining yet.
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17 countries at launch, and no-sideloading is really good for developers who want to write applications for a living. It ensures a good and uniform distribution center for applications.
And as I said with this topic, copy&paste is already made. It's just not supported yet, because the Silverlight 4 implementation was first finished in April.
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I have a complaint about this too. The phone 'phones home' to check if the application is valid. As a developer this is awesome, but as a phone user, I am worried about my data package.
For instance if I install a world clock app, as a result every time i check launch the app to check the time in Denmark, I use bandwidth.
In the states this might not be a problem, but in other countries, data can be expensive.
I hope the implementation of phoning home is elegant, and not burdonsome
I rang t-mob Uk on saturday to see if tethering on their omnia 7 was permitted or not.
Intially the woman started to read the specs of the wrong phone. She then said that tethering via bluetooth and usb works.
Not convinced, I did the live chat via the t-mob site. This time I was told that tethering via Bt and usb is fine BUT additionally the wm6.5 type wifi routing works. I find the later hard to believe and am unsure as validity of the former advice.
Can any one confirm?
Thanks
There is no tethering on wp7 as of yet
There is no tethering option on wp7 yet.
Blimey!!!
Thanks for clarifying this.
The pre-release info was conflicting with some people saying that it was possible but at the discretion of the carrier.
So if I go for wp7 I will then need to cough up extra for a separate data plan for my laptop.
Nice one M$- I have been out of contract since June and was happy to wait for wp7 and now it seems that I can't even do the basics that I have been able to do for the last 10 years.
The Applefication of WM is so disappointing.
I guess I have the option of jumping to the good ship android or buying an old HD2 until M$ add the things that grown ups need or until someone here manages to "jail brake" wp7
Does anyone know when tethering might be added?
Thanks
This is the very first release of an entirely new operating system so people need to be a little patient. Tethering support is coming but we don't know when yet. If you absolutely have to have tethering right now then go with another OS.
Ren13B said:
This is the very first release of an entirely new operating system so people need to be a little patient. Tethering support is coming but we don't know when yet. If you absolutely have to have tethering right now then go with another OS.
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This isn't a slight on you but the "this is new so expect problems" mantra is crap.
Microsoft have been making smart phones for years, they are not new at this game. There is absolutely no excuse for not being able to provide things that exist in their older platforms. Did the bloke that developed cut&paste in the old winCE die and take his secret to the grave?
Why should we be patient? we are expected to cough up £500 for a phone which may or may not be more retarded than previous incarnations. Microsoft know what they can and cannot do, why not publish a road map?
Hell, it's not like the harware is even new technology!!!
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This isn't a slight on you but the "this is new so expect problems" mantra is crap.
Microsoft have been making smart phones for years, they are not new at this game. There is absolutely no excuse for not being able to provide things that exist in their older platforms. Did the bloke that developed cut&paste in the old winCE die and take his secret to the grave?
Why should we be patient? we are expected to cough up £500 for a phone which may or may not be more retarded than previous incarnations. Microsoft know what they can and cannot do, why not publish a road map?
Hell, it's not like the harware is even new technology!!!
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The difference between WP7 and previous Windows Mobile OS versions is why many "less used" features are not yet complete. With WP7, Microsoft actually wants the experience to be fluid and consistent. This means they have to completely rethink and rewrite all the code. There are deadlines, like any business, and certain things had to be deferred to the next update. This is the way things work with software development. iOS and Android had the same issues with their initial releases.
Good things come to those who wait. Expecting everything in hurry will typically leave you with a bunch of poorly written garbage software. Microsoft has already spoken to both copy/paste and tethering. They will add these features and more. If these features are that important to anyone, they should wait for them to be implemented before buying a WP7 device. Otherwise, there are other choices.
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This isn't a slight on you but the "this is new so expect problems" mantra is crap.
Microsoft have been making smart phones for years, they are not new at this game. There is absolutely no excuse for not being able to provide things that exist in their older platforms. Did the bloke that developed cut&paste in the old winCE die and take his secret to the grave?
Why should we be patient? we are expected to cough up £500 for a phone which may or may not be more retarded than previous incarnations. Microsoft know what they can and cannot do, why not publish a road map?
Hell, it's not like the harware is even new technology!!!
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LOL... so true... there is no excuse really
I am not sold.
I think that many of the omissions are not down to the fact that the MS techies were not bright enough but moreover that they are result of microsoft calculating that customers or carriers did not want certain features.
If your argument held true then wm6.5 would have been nearing perfection and there would be no need for wp7.
Perhaps you are confusing patience with gullibility.
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"There are deadlines, like any business, and certain things had to be deferred to the next update. This is the way things work with software development"
So what are alpha and beta testing for? Products should work when they get to the market place, not half a year later.
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I am not sold.
I think that many of the omissions are not down to the fact that the MS techies were not bright enough but moreover that they are result of microsoft calculating that customers or carriers did not want certain features.
If your argument held true then wm6.5 would have been nearing perfection and there would be no need for wp7.
Perhaps you are confusing patience with gullibility.
BTW with regard to
"There are deadlines, like any business, and certain things had to be deferred to the next update. This is the way things work with software development"
So what are alpha and beta testing for? Products should work when they get to the market place, not half a year later.
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You are free to believe whatever you wish. I am not selling you anything. Just giving an educated response.
Nobody is forcing you to buy a WP7 device. I like the way you ignore that ALL the advertised features of WP7 are fully functional. That kind of negates your statement about "products should work when the het to the market place." This has nothing to do with alpha or beta testing. These features are already at that stage of development.
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I am not sold.
I think that many of the omissions are not down to the fact that the MS techies were not bright enough but moreover that they are result of microsoft calculating that customers or carriers did not want certain features.
If your argument held true then wm6.5 would have been nearing perfection and there would be no need for wp7.
Perhaps you are confusing patience with gullibility.
BTW with regard to
"There are deadlines, like any business, and certain things had to be deferred to the next update. This is the way things work with software development"
So what are alpha and beta testing for? Products should work when they get to the market place, not half a year later.
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I think it's about both that and the money. For some reason *cough cough RIAA* Microsoft want users to have to re-purchase whatever files they hope to use on the device.
naplesbill said:
You are free to believe whatever you wish. I am not selling you anything. Just giving an educated response.
Nobody is forcing you to buy a WP7 device. I like the way you ignore that ALL the advertised features of WP7 are fully functional. That kind of negates your statement about "products should work when the het to the market place." This has nothing to do with alpha or beta testing. These features are already at that stage of development.
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Errr....... thanks for sharing the benefit of your education...
Funnily enough I too had an education. This enables me to read posts by Brandon Watson (Director for Windows Phone 7). The same man that said that WP7 would support tethering but at the discretion of the carrier.
Regrettably my education did not include mind reading and thus I did not realise that his statement meant "WP does not support tethering but it may or may not at some point in the near or distant future"
And to which of the advertised features are you referring? How do you know that they all work perfectly? Would the advertised claim that you can "manage.. your email with ease" suffice? Well seemingly not unless you think that having to hard reset your phone in order to delete your windows live account post a typo error is perfection. Or what about the xbox live extras that have been crashing and now removed from the market place?
As consumers we expect products to improve throughout their life cycles. We want features to become better and not just be omitted. It beggars belief that you think that removing givens such as changing ringtones or tetherings is acceptable.
I agree that nobody is forcing me to buy a WP, in the same way that no recalled toyota owner was forced to by a toyota but I guess that toyota never listed non-sticking brakes as advertised features.
Just out of interest- at what point is one allowed to complain? If i wait until I purchase something do I have even less right given that i knew that it was not perfect at the point of purchase?
I love lamp.
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????????????????
Beyond my ken, sorry...
I do get your frustration and went through the same feelings.
My Tilt 2 (Rhodium) can wifi tether right now and it works great, why not the next 'evolution'?
I think the biggest reason I found it from reading forums and listening to other users is this:
We (those of us who use XDA and like to push our tech to do our bidding) want and use features such as tethering. What portion of the demographic is MS seeking here with WP7, surely a much larger base then those who live / breathe XDA yes?
There aren't thousands, heck even hundreds, of people with torches and pitchforks screaming for tethering. We on these and other forums are, but that is only a small representation of the customer base.
Simple point.. it isn't a primary feature to include in V 1.0 launch, I really hope they add it, but there are many other features that come before tethering. Technically you shoud be paying for tethering anyway, in addition to your wireless data plan.
From what I have read, you are mad that you would have to pay what they ask instead of circumventing that, as you have been (me too!) 8)
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Errr....... thanks for sharing the benefit of your education...
Funnily enough I too had an education. This enables me to read posts by Brandon Watson (Director for Windows Phone 7). The same man that said that WP7 would support tethering but at the discretion of the carrier.
Regrettably my education did not include mind reading and thus I did not realise that his statement meant "WP does not support tethering but it may or may not at some point in the near or distant future"
And to which of the advertised features are you referring? How do you know that they all work perfectly? Would the advertised claim that you can "manage.. your email with ease" suffice? Well seemingly not unless you think that having to hard reset your phone in order to delete your windows live account post a typo error is perfection. Or what about the xbox live extras that have been crashing and now removed from the market place?
As consumers we expect products to improve throughout their life cycles. We want features to become better and not just be omitted. It beggars belief that you think that removing givens such as changing ringtones or tetherings is acceptable.
I agree that nobody is forcing me to buy a WP, in the same way that no recalled toyota owner was forced to by a toyota but I guess that toyota never listed non-sticking brakes as advertised features.
Just out of interest- at what point is one allowed to complain? If i wait until I purchase something do I have even less right given that i knew that it was not perfect at the point of purchase?
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Resorting to sarcasm in response to a discussion is pointless. If you don't accept the input of others as valid, there is nothing left to say.
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Resorting to sarcasm in response to a discussion is pointless. If you don't accept the input of others as valid, there is nothing left to say.
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The sarcasm was a response to your condescending tone. If you want to take the holier than thou higher moral ground then go for it.
As a long standing WinCE customer I have a right to vent my frustrations and disappointments.
By the same token i don't own an iphone but I retain the right to b!tch about the fact that their greed has (indirectly) fugged up my preferred phone OS.
brytonic said:
I do get your frustration and went through the same feelings.
My Tilt 2 (Rhodium) can wifi tether right now and it works great, why not the next 'evolution'?
I think the biggest reason I found it from reading forums and listening to other users is this:
We (those of us who use XDA and like to push our tech to do our bidding) want and use features such as tethering. What portion of the demographic is MS seeking here with WP7, surely a much larger base then those who live / breathe XDA yes?
There aren't thousands, heck even hundreds, of people with torches and pitchforks screaming for tethering. We on these and other forums are, but that is only a small representation of the customer base.
Simple point.. it isn't a primary feature to include in V 1.0 launch, I really hope they add it, but there are many other features that come before tethering. Technically you shoud be paying for tethering anyway, in addition to your wireless data plan.
From what I have read, you are mad that you would have to pay what they ask instead of circumventing that, as you have been (me too!) 8)
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Hi there Brytonic
here in the Uk t-mobile are more upfront about internet charges and tethering (branded as web'n'walk). My curent contract includes free tethering whereas my previous one had a small premium for the right to tether (which I was happy to pay).
The cost of internet access only without voice is significantly higher than a voice account with web'nwalk bolted on. So if i were to buy a sim free WP the web'n'walk part of my bill would remain unchanged but I would additionally need to pay for web'n'walk for my pc
I agree that we here are only a fraction of the intended market place but it gals me that Microsoft leaked that tethering would be supported.
Am I really being unrealistic to expect a £500 phone to be able to do what my Ericsson T39 could do back in 2001 (ie work as a bluetooth modem)?
If it were the case that we had to wait for the 3g over wifi routing then I would have no problem as that is an enhancement of what I consider to be a rudimentary function.
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LOL!!! Don't start!! Did "I love lamp" on Facebook and it got way into territory reserved for R18
Actually - maybe that is what this thread needs lol
So everyone, I have mango loading in my HTC HD7. Microsoft claimed that there are more than 500+ features, but so far I only see like 10 of them. Where are the rest?
Mango Features Listed
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-mango-features-fully-revealed
What sort of websites use HTML5? my bro says none of the good websites (e.g. sockshare, putlocker, megavieo) use flash
EDIT: Gonna rephrase this
Are the any websites that I can watch/Download shows off which use HTML5?
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So everyone, I have mango loading in my HTC HD7. Microsoft claimed that there are more than 500+ features, but so far I only see like 10 of them. Where are the rest?
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Oh please ..you see only 10 new features ???
Not another one of those uselless thread..
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Oh please ..you see only 10 new features ???
Not another one of those uselless thread..
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ha, that's what I thought. When I read it.
Please lock the thread and move on...
Actually.. he's kinda right.. I know that the improvements are said to be 500. Okay, and this includes a thousand of news inside the system, wich we can't see, just in the future.
But i'm curious about all 500 features.
http://www.everythingwm.com/forum/threads/windows-phone-7-5-mango-full-feature-list.37799/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
akuji_bwn said:
http://www.everythingwm.com/forum/threads/windows-phone-7-5-mango-full-feature-list.37799/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
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Yeah, thanks.. But there is not 500 there.
5minutes said:
So everyone, I have mango loading in my HTC HD7. Microsoft claimed that there are more than 500+ features, but so far I only see like 10 of them. Where are the rest?
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I think too, no more like 10 features. MS lie, about 500+. AND WP7 will be epic fail. Time will go on, another OS (android, iOS) to go for really upgrade, but WP7 stupid at MS lie.
truevoxdei said:
I think too, no more like 10 features. MS lie, about 500+. AND WP7 will be epic fail. Time will go on, another OS (android, iOS) to go for really upgrade, but WP7 stupid at MS lie.
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Dude, there is pictures of Tango already. Dont spit bull**** like this if you know nothing.
mikeeam said:
Dude, there is pictures of Tango already. Dont spit bull**** like this if you know nothing.
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Ha ha... And then next version will be "stringo", dude. I know, MS very slow with from idea TO good stuff... in our fastest and hardest world. Competitors will never sleep. Remember it.
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Ha ha... And then next version will be "stringo", dude. I know, MS very slow with from idea TO good stuff... in our fastest and hardest world. Competitors will never sleep. Remember it.
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I know this very well. Because next year, WP7 is going to compete not with iOS 5, but with iOS 6. And with Ice Cream Sandwich. So MS should think straight and have some cards hidden in the sleeves, because Tango may be fine, but they need Apollo since this year, and Mango since LAST year.
Even more now with "Googlerola".
mikeeam said:
I know this very well. Because next year, WP7 is going to compete not with iOS 5, but with iOS 6.
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Ok. BUT MS have not some very important functions in WP7 still . All world wait it "important functions" in Mango. Expectations of many people were not met.
truevoxdei said:
Ok. BUT MS have not some very important functions in WP7 still . All world wait it "important functions" in Mango. Expectations of many people were not met.
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Mango is already out there. And to be honest, I dont think it was a mistaken leak. I think Microsoft intentionally leaked it. Anyone can install, like Apple jailbreak. You can just go ahead and read some tutorials. It's no hard.
Right now, I have mango, in Portuguese, running perfectly smooth. I don't need to use third party apps to Facebook, MSN, Twitter, LinkedIn. And most importand than have their own apps, it's integrated with the system and working better than any iOS/Android app would do.
It doesnt have customizations indeed, but who cares? Thread message is sexy, notifications are pretty nice, though it have some flaws. The keyboard is LOT better than Android's, even if its not swype. Tiles simply rocks, fast app switch could be better, but its better than Android too.
The user experience is a lot better overall.
truevoxdei said:
I think too, no more like 10 features. MS lie, about 500+. AND WP7 will be epic fail. Time will go on, another OS (android, iOS) to go for really upgrade, but WP7 stupid at MS lie.
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What do you expect from a 1 year member of the XDA and this is his 4th post ...
Man you are something...
akuji_bwn said:
http://www.everythingwm.com/forum/threads/windows-phone-7-5-mango-full-feature-list.37799/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1084161
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I count all of these features and they are still less than 100. It is still far from 500.
Most of the features are ones we do not see. Bug fixes, API updates, developer hooks and plug-ins, tons of stuff that we cannot physically touch or play with. That is until a developer takes advantage of the new features.
Once Mango comes out, you'll see much better apps on the platform, ones that are able to take advantage of many of 500 new features that Windows Phone Mango brings.
And that haters continue to hate for the sake of hating. Would you rather support the socially irresponsible company that makes overpriced under spec'd hardware and makes record profits while making NO charitable donations or even trying to help people in need, even those hurt in their own factories?!
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You are going off topic. Asking question about something is not the same as hating it.
truevoxdei said:
Ok. BUT MS have not some very important functions in WP7 still . All world wait it "important functions" in Mango. Expectations of many people were not met.
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that's politics. Your statement contains absolutely no content. You can easily replace MS with any other competitor and WP7 or Mango with any other OS.
what important functions?
what expectations?
many people? what does that mean? there are many people who don't like Android or iOS
if you want to make a statement then you need to use some facts. If you can't do that then you need to research. Otherwise I have to say that your post is off topic. Look at other posts in this thread in which the posters actually contributed something to the topic and the original post.
I came up with this in 15mins...spread and promote.
http://www.skumar.info/wp/
backlashsid said:
I came up with this in 15mins...spread and promote.
http://www.skumar.info/wp/
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impressive stuff my friend, you should get a job with MS, their biggest failing over the last decade is trully shoddy marketing (exception being Surface!)
see the disclaimer tho, shouldnt that be All trademarks and logos are the property of Microsoft Corporation or there espective affiliates
or something like that, just thinking that there are apps and other logos that below to all sorts of folk in there,
dazza9075 said:
impressive stuff my friend, you should get a job with MS, their biggest failing over the last decade is trully shoddy marketing (exception being Surface!)
see the disclaimer tho, shouldnt that be All trademarks and logos are the property of Microsoft Corporation or there espective affiliates
or something like that, just thinking that there are apps and other logos that below to all sorts of folk in there,
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well thanks.
regarding the disclaimer as a product Microsoft owns the Windows Phone division...so i didnt get too picky.
a lil bit too late to advertize for WP7.5...not to mention what MS did with WP7...they left the loyal consumers like dead fish in the water
htc9420 said:
a lil bit too late to advertize for WP7.5...not to mention what MS did with WP7...they left the loyal consumers like dead fish in the water
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its not about advertising Wp7.5/7.8/8 but the overall product.
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its not about advertising Wp7.5/7.8/8 but the overall product.
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looked fine until the highlights showed internet exploder, image search, and finally "windows" in the name. then, it just felt outdated, stale.
ohgood said:
looked fine until the highlights showed internet exploder, image search, and finally "windows" in the name. then, it just felt outdated, stale.
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not sure what you really mean....if you say it feels outdated because of IE or Image search or Windows in the name....i am not sure if you are being serious or just a troll
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not sure what you really mean....if you say it feels outdated because of IE or Image search or Windows in the name....i am not sure if you are being serious or just a troll
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any negative criticism on the wp boards means folks call " troll " within two posts. the weakest defense is name calling, or attempting to side track with arguing instead of seeing the statement for what it is.
the point was the features touted are dated, commonplace, boring. show me features that no one else has. you know, something besides some new Facebook or twitter feed.
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any negative criticism on the wp boards means folks call " troll " within two posts. the weakest defense is name calling, or attempting to side track with arguing instead of seeing the statement for what it is.
the point was the features touted are dated, commonplace, boring. show me features that no one else has. you know, something besides some new Facebook or twitter feed.
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well once the Windows Phone 8 features and videos come out..i will replace them. happy ?
and I am not sure if you hate Windows phone or simply dont like it ?
backlashsid said:
...and I am not sure if you hate Windows phone or simply dont like it ?
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If you need someone to hate WP - I can offer my service
Anyway - good work!
backlashsid said:
well once the Windows Phone 8 features and videos come out..i will replace them. happy ?
and I am not sure if you hate Windows phone or simply dont like it ?
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I see lots of room for improvement instead of ignoring the issues, or pointing fingers at some other os as a distraction.
ohgood said:
any negative criticism on the wp boards means folks call " troll " within two posts. the weakest defense is name calling, or attempting to side track with arguing instead of seeing the statement for what it is.
the point was the features touted are dated, commonplace, boring. show me features that no one else has. you know, something besides some new Facebook or twitter feed.
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one can argue that the idea of a promo video is to promote the product to new consumers, there for, it should cover old features if they are a selling point, I too know all that was brought up but in not the target audience I suspect
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dazza9075 said:
one can argue that the idea of a promo video is to promote the product to new consumers, there for, it should cover old features if they are a selling point, I too know all that was brought up but in not the target audience I suspect
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ahhh, new to smartphone - customers. gotcha
and I am lost...anyways...thanks for your time.