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Dev. Opinions Wanted: Is the Hero *actually* a good candidate for Eclair

This is a question for all, but primarily for the devs who have been working with the various Android 2.1 builds.
I have been silently playing with many of the Android 2.1 flavours offered by the various developers posting here at XDA, and have been suitably impressed with all they have managed to accomplish, especially in the absence of the kernel source.
That said, most of the 2.1 ROMS are lacking in some manner (GPS tweaks required, battery life, bluetooth on calls, etc.) and all are slower than the optimized Cupcake ROMS (e.g. the MoDaCo ROMS).
I understand that the performance of the 2.1 ROMS is hampered in large part to the lack of the kernel source but the consistent speed discrepancy between Eclair and Cupcake leads me to the question at hand:
Even if the kernel source were available, does the Hero actually have the horsepower to run Eclair and offer performance similar to Cupcake? Would those of us who want similar performance be best advised to look at devices with a little more under the hood (Nexus One, Desire, etc)?
Devs, what do you think?

The fact of the matter is a 2.1 rom (official) is in development it has been announced and the fact there has been leaks in the CDMA hero shows that it does really exist.
If its being built for the hero then it will work.
Kernel sources will help solve a number of issues we are currently facing in the "custom" roms.
Every phone can do things differently for example 2.1 has live wallpaper support but we will never see this in any official rom as it will not work perfectly on the hero.
With every new leak we are getting closer and closer to what an "official" gsm hero rom will be like, but it will never be the same as for example a desire 2.1 rom.

I'm no dev but if the kernel source for 2.1 was released devs would be able to overclock the Hero so 2.1 ROMs would run much smoother. Also if you look at the Hero compared to its successor (the Legend) the most significant difference is the processor 528 MHz on the Hero and 600 MHz on the Legend. So I personally don't see why the Hero shouldn't get a 2.1+ ROM.

Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the original 1.5. If it runs like that now, I believe it will go better with an optimized kernel - when the sources will be available. As for the overclock (I would like to add that for me OC is a very important hobby), I don't see the reason why you would like to OC a mobile phone. Overclocking would make battery life go even faster than before, and to charge the Hero everyday... I don't think many of us want something like that.
What I think is the best way to improve a mobile phone performance, considering it runs Android, is to improve the software, not the hardware. After all, it's Linux.

Eclair runs on G1 better than Hero !!
even though Hero is more powerful !!
it's a Kernel and drivers issue
anyway, the update delay probably because of 2.2 (Froyo). it'll be released in May after all..
HTC didn't say that but it'll be dump (even retarded) to give us 2.1 after 2.2 is released !!

RaduG said:
Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the original 1.5. If it runs like that now, I believe it will go better with an optimized kernel - when the sources will be available. As for the overclock (I would like to add that for me OC is a very important hobby), I don't see the reason why you would like to OC a mobile phone. Overclocking would make battery life go even faster than before, and to charge the Hero everyday... I don't think many of us want something like that.
What I think is the best way to improve a mobile phone performance, considering it runs Android, is to improve the software, not the hardware. After all, it's Linux.
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I already have to charge my phone everyday becaue I am always playing witht it or text or on the internet... and right now im running Kimera 1.6 Overclocked and it feels as if I get the same if not similar battery life.

The Hero shouldn't be doubted when it comes to being able to run 2.1, as previously mentioned its the other things like live wallpapers that were not developed for this type of CPU.
Whats the crack with the dream running it? did HTC release the sources for the kernel? or just plain ole group hacking?

Without any doubt, YES, it does have enough power to run Android 2.1.
From what I have experienced, Eclair 2.1 WITHOUT HTC Sense works as fast as the
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I already have to charge my phone everyday becaue I am always playing witht it or text or on the internet... and right now im running Kimera 1.6 Overclocked and it feels as if I get the same if not similar battery life.
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Same here. The Kimera 1.6 overclocked ROM is amazing. I've been using it for a few days now, and I have to agree the battery life is almost identical to stock 1.5 in my opinion.
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Android 2.2 on TP2?

Does TP2 meet ANDROID 2.2's hardware requirements?

Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have

ive read in several places and posts frm owners that the FROYO is overhyped. or not really all that much different frm the previous releases. i know its supposedly alot faster with the JIT Compiling. i guess thats the main difference and the fact that the new flash player10 wrks great with it. people sleeping on Rhodium. its always like that with new devices. they get upgraded processors. there are ways around that, which i hope someone figures out soon ;-) just like with cars, we can tweak it to at least get closer to Snapdragon speeds.

overclocking the processer or tweaking froyo

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overclocking the processer or tweaking froyo
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well i meant overclocking the processor to where its faster and still stable. tweaking could probaly also be done on the software(FROYO) side of things. if older phones with even less processing power can port Android, then we can get the Froyo. i know its not that simple but it can be done. just depends on how much wrk someone is willing to put in on it. like for instance, i edited my startup txt to overclock my processor in the android build. im at 633MHz. stock max processor speed in windows mobile is like 528MHz. so with that overclock alone, increased the horsepower..lol, by more thn a hundred. now my live wallpapers fly across the screen instead of stuttering. i have virtually no lag now. plus i could even go up somemore on the overclocking. . it does have a drawbck. if i put the phone to sleep, it wont wake up..lmfao . who cares, just dont put the phone to sleep then. Android on Rhodium is more of a research and testing things out, at least for me. im luvin it so far, so i cant complain about what its missing at the moment. Im grateful for what wrks at the moment. this is the best cab by far that ive ever downloaded, and its free. u cant beat that. basically a free Android OS.

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Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have
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bull****.
there is no such "requirement" for froyo.
furthermore, TP2 never had an official android release to have an official denial that it will ever be ported.
i'm sure devs are already looking at porting froyo to TP2 and other phones.

Best/easiest case solution is to backport some of the parts of compatible Froyo into the TP2 AOSP Eclair build. This has been a common practice in custom roms. There's already G1 roms with Froyo partially working. There's no reason not to have at least some Froyo features baked into TP2 Eclair.

At this point, whats the use of moving on to Froyo on the TP2? We'll migrate just to restart back to a point where nothing works? Backport some parts of Froyo onto Eclair and beef up Eclair to a point where the major issues are resolved.
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Also, there needs to be more people that have a better working knowledge of Android/linux than just the devs. Fixes, hacks, mods all come from a community effort. Not enough information is shared on this forum, and it comes at the cost of progression for our devices.
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There's no reason not to have at least some Froyo features baked into TP2 Eclair.
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so do it. talking is easy, actually doing takes skills.

In theory 2.2 should run better on the rhodium than 2.1 ever has now that it has a huge upgrade to the Dalvik vm JIT, meaning this makes much better use of the processor, this is proven in the current builds on the nexus one. I agree that we would essentially be starting over as far as useability but the developers have already done the ground work so a full upgrade to 2.2 will not take as long as the first porting of android. So if you all just want to sit back and be happy with what you have than go ahead, but in my opinion 2.2 would be a very valuable upgrade as i'm sure that 2.3 and beyond will be.

No, It can be done on every Android Phone, so also the TP2 would be able (if you look at the specs) to run Android 2.2.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...t-even-the-g1-google-io-blitz-coverage-day-1/
And it will make the devices faster So I think there is a possability. I hope the android devs for TP2 will give it a try

Yes it can, but it will take a lot of work

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Nope. most devices that would get a froyo update have snapdragons under the hood something our rhodiums dont have
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HTC will release official froyo rom for HERO and later devices, TP2 has same hardware installed as HERO
but the key problem is drivers, HERO's screen solution is lower than TP2, so HERO have different GPU driver to TP2
i hope hackers will give us some good idea..hah

I'm ready.. been duel booting android and I have to say I like it.. Didn't think I would but I do. It's faster and easy to use

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I'm ready.. been duel booting android and I have to say I like it.. Didn't think I would but I do. It's faster and easy to use
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how did you do that?
i tried flash dual boot rom which found in TP2 CDMA, but it is always mess up during first time loading

mxxcon said:
so do it. talking is easy, actually doing takes skills.
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It is actually easy, I've done it and pretty much anyone can do it with simple common sense on any native Android phone. Making your very personal use ROM with backported parts is really common. It doesn't actually take that much skill because all you're doing is replacing (sometimes) compatible parts and modifying the init.rc and flashing in recovery for the most part.

bestfan said:
how did you do that?
i tried flash dual boot rom which found in TP2 CDMA, but it is always mess up during first time loading
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Are you using the .cab or .rar, I never got the .cab to work, the .rar works perfectly everytime and I do quite of bit of "flashing".

I am willing to stick with 2.1 for the long haul until everything is working.

seeing as 2.2 is supposed to have some drastic changes i think 2.1 is going to be the final for most things, 2.2 codebase while being similar has been drastically enhanced (in some areas)...
I myself cannot wait till the TP2 gets Android 2.2+ (and the COMPLETE ability to boot into android without having to load ANY WM aspects)

Donut

Hello everybody,
I do respect all the work most of you invested in creating new Android roms. The only problem I see is that most of the roms are based on latest Android versions as Froyo. We need to admit that we have a pretty slow device so from my point of view a Donut rom is something more feasible for our hardware. I was wondering if there is any stable Donut rom you could recommend.
Thank you

Considering that there are G1s out there running Gingerbread already, and they have half the memory of the TP2, I'd say your concern is misguided.

candin1977 said:
Hello everybody,
I do respect all the work most of you invested in creating new Android roms. The only problem I see is that most of the roms are based on latest Android versions as Froyo. We need to admit that we have a pretty slow device so from my point of view a Donut rom is something more feasible for our hardware. I was wondering if there is any stable Donut rom you could recommend.
Thank you
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if you are so desperate to get an donut rom you could check over @ neopeek, i saw an eclair and donut rom there if im correct.

One of my first work has been a port of Myn's Warm Donut with working 3D on Diamond! If more people request this I may have a look but can't say atm if all of the newer kernels would work...

Hi. I agree if we consider the Ram. What about the processor? Both devices have processors of the same generation.

candin1977 said:
Hello everybody,
I do respect all the work most of you invested in creating new Android roms. The only problem I see is that most of the roms are based on latest Android versions as Froyo. We need to admit that we have a pretty slow device so from my point of view a Donut rom is something more feasible for our hardware. I was wondering if there is any stable Donut rom you could recommend.
Thank you
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I felt the same way until I tried Gingerbread. GB0XA is the best (speed wise) option I have found for a non-OC RHOD400.

I'll throw in a +1 for this as well,I would love to see donut running on here,froyo and gingerbread are nice,and yes,the g1 technically does run gingerbread,but have you ever actually used it? It's painfully slow compared to donut,and I have a feeling our phones are probably the same way considering how similar they are.

msnuser111 said:
I'll throw in a +1 for this as well,I would love to see donut running on here,froyo and gingerbread are nice,and yes,the g1 technically does run gingerbread,but have you ever actually used it? It's painfully slow compared to donut,and I have a feeling our phones are probably the same way considering how similar they are.
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Donut was abandoned. There's probably some old images around, but they won't run very well. Enjoy!

arrrghhh said:
Donut was abandoned. There's probably some old images around, but they won't run very well. Enjoy!
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The only thing I liked about Donut was the codename.
....Mmmm.... Donuts...

From what I understand froyo shouldnt be much more of a system resource hog than donut was (I believe reading it was actually supposed to be faster but I'm not sure) so it really shouldn't have too big an impact on performance. I've found froyo speeds on certain builds to be quite acceptable.

killerkhatiby009 said:
From what I understand froyo shouldnt be much more of a system resource hog than donut was (I believe reading it was actually supposed to be faster but I'm not sure) so it really shouldn't have too big an impact on performance. I've found froyo speeds on certain builds to be quite acceptable.
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lol cute. I assume you mean that speeds on XDAndroid's Froyo is not acceptable.
We found the vast majority of the populace would rather take a *slight* performance hit, for better resolution (HDPI vs MDPI).
I assume that's the sore spot as far as speed goes. I find FRX06 to be quite snappy, thank you very much.

[Q] What will ICS add to our device?

Hi friends,
I wonder what we will get with ICS. I think it will let us to have much more free ram at startup. Maybe smoother than virtuous affinity... So more what? I've read it would be more useful than sense based roms. I really can't wait to have an ICS rom which is really smooth; but i don't know why and for what i wait

Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

steviewevie said:
Why would it give us more free RAM ? Surely it will be less, e.g. hardware acceleration uses more RAM.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
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in my opinion, base android roms (no sense) don't use much ram. somebody said we will not need sense with ICS. So it won't use much ram. as i said, these are my opinions... BTW doesn't sense based roms have hardware acceleration? is there any ram usage difference between gingerbread and ICS roms?

ICS is the newest operating system for android, which is definately alot to look forward to (eg. gingerbread made froyo absolete). But you're comparing it to a sense rom, which is a completely different thing. I think the best way for you to learn what you want to know is to google it.

yes but icsi with sense is impossible in G2 because have poor ram for this dual

I have found this page http://chromloop.com/2011/11/ice-cream-sandwich-first-boot-on-motorola-defy-aosp/
It says ics uses about the same ram with gingerbread. So it should be possible to have ics rom with sense. But i don't think that i need it, i only want ics based cyanogen 9. Thus it will be fast i though. Am i wrong?
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Well you can play around with the ICS port that's still in the works. You'll get a general idea of new things to come. I can't wait till we have a nice, fully functional rom. Don't think I'd even want anything from sense after that
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA Premium

i've been playing with the ics port rom ever since the alpha version. so far it's the greatest. can't imagine (wait) what it will feel after a stable release

Have they implemented Hardware accelerated UI in the Desire S port?
It seems rather slow.
Of course it's in beta, so it's all cool and I don't expect a port to perform well in the long run either way. But I'm just curious since "3D acceleration" is kinda vague. Is it only for game apps and some fancy effects?

As far as I know hardware acceleration is fully working on the desire s port. I'm pretty sure, that most performance issues are simply due to the fact that it is a beta port of ics from another device.
Once we have a fully working aosp build or cm9, performance should be as good as expected.
I think you can get a good impression of ics without hw acceleration by trying out v 0.1 from andromadus, which redefines slow.

Ah I see. Thanks.

[Q] Kernel 3.0 - why is it so important?

I have used Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora - currently having an Ubuntu Server) and I pretty much know what a Kernel is and what it does.
I also know that the 3.0 Linux kernel is a pretty big improvement overall.
But, regarding Android, what does it bring that makes it so important? Also, why would it improve the speed of ICS on our devices? I can't get my head around this.

Well one thing to keep in mind is that Android isn't just another 'flavor/distro' of linux. So there's quite a bit of difference than say Ubuntu running a 3.x kernel and Android/Dalvik running 3.x
I don't know the technical details of it, but that's generally how it's been in my layman views of it.
PS: The ICS rom I'm using has 2.6.35.14 for the kernel version (based off CM9's kernel), so unless Jelly Bean is supposedly upgrading the kernel version to 3.x I'm not sure where you're getting that info at.

Well, I see in the Andromadus thread discussions regarding kernel 3.0 and how it will bring camera and speed improvements to ICS on HTC Desire Z/G2. Also, in Sense 4 ROM threads the kernel is referred nothing short of a lifesaver.

bogdan5844 said:
Well, I see in the Andromadus thread discussions regarding kernel 3.0 and how it will bring camera and speed improvements to ICS on HTC Desire Z/G2. Also, in Sense 4 ROM threads the kernel is referred nothing short of a lifesaver.
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The camera issue is more a driver issue since there are no official ICS roms for the G2/Vision yet, it's not going to be solved simply by a kernel version.
By the way which threads were those?
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By the way I noticed that some like CM9RC1 (unofficial) which is the kernel EliteMod is based off of, that there's a lot of "from 3.0" but nothing seems to be running 3.0 as a whole rather 2.6.x with bits and pieces from the 3.0 kernel. Kind of back-porting features etc basically.

Apart from the Andromadus thread, this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679962 regarding speed.
I know that we are waiting for the Desire HD update in order to fix the camera, and that is supposed to have a Kernel 3.0 which can be easily ported to the DZ

bogdan5844 said:
Apart from the Andromadus thread, this one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1679962 regarding speed.
I know that we are waiting for the Desire HD update in order to fix the camera, and that is supposed to have a Kernel 3.0 which can be easily ported to the DZ
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Funny how the DHD is older than the G2/Vision yet seems to get more attention.
I assume they mention that possibly because the DHD uses the same camera hardware as the DZ, as such if a driver source were made available it could be ported. Same would be true if they made the source available via the 2.6.x kernel, so not 3.0 specifically just that 3.0 is likely what the DHD will get, and that'll be the source for getting the camera working.

Wasn't the Desire HD released at the same time as the DZ ? I think it's favored because it's easier to develop on a non-QWERTY phone.

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Wasn't the Desire HD released at the same time as the DZ ? I think it's favored because it's easier to develop on a non-QWERTY phone.
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As I recall it was about a month prior to the DZ... and the non-QWERTY shouldn't have anything to do with it since that's a system-level thing.

A 3.0 kernel will likely bring no speed improvements or camera fixes. At this point speed is mostly limited due to hardware, not software. 3.0 offers a variety of features and power saving options discussed elsewhere by people more knowledgeable on the topic than myself.
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As I recall it was about a month prior to the DZ... and the non-QWERTY shouldn't have anything to do with it since that's a system-level thing.
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Desire HD has more RAM and technically a better CPU (though thats not really the case, as the Vision has pretty much the same CPU just underclocked). Believe it was stated by HTC that devices with 512MB of RAM and less would not officially get ICS.
Thats why the Desire HD is favored over the Desire Z/G2; its probably not helped by the fact that the G2 was discontinued by Tmobile.

actually, kernel 3.0 has nothing special about it. Linus Torvalds got bored of the 2.6.XX names, and the kernel was nothing like it was as 2.6 scheme started, so he renamed it. You can read the mail about renaming at this address:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204

HTC said 512 ROM not RAM.

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HTC said 512 ROM not RAM.
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Yea that makes more sense, gota have room for the whole 'stock' system and then some. (though sd-ext helps for anyone who are right on the 512MB ROM size )