Why was this thread closed?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834623
Usually when a mod closes it they always have the last post and have some sort of explanation as to why it is closed.
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Why was this thread closed?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834623
Usually when a mod closes it they always have the last post and have some sort of explanation as to why it is closed.
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MOD EDIT: Removed link requiring registration to download, per rule 11
read much ?
It looks like they were looking for a reason to shut him down out of some spite.
Secondly you don't have to post a smart ass comment. I understand you're shielded behind your monitor and keyboard but that doesn't mean you have to act like a jerk.
There are plenty of ROM threads with members posting stuff they shouldn't have posted. They could have simply edited the offenders post or did a temporary ban. Anyone else care to chime in?
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Anyone else care to chime in?
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I didn't know the thread got closed but I think its appropriate to do so.
Leaving past drama in the past I still think its wrong for someone to post a link/thread on XDA that intends to direct traffic away from XDA, requiring registration on another website in order to enjoy the author's work. If DD wanted to be part of the XDA community then he should post and, to some degree, support his work ON XDA.
I don't care wether or not his thread was shut down. I just thought the whole thing was a little shady - some guy comes out of nowhere to offer this amazing thing that this other guy has, but you can only have it if you come into the alley with him because he can't show you in the light.
That thread was hijacked with bickering back and fourth anyway.
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I don't care wether or not his thread was shut down. I just thought the whole thing was a little shady - some guy comes out of nowhere to offer this amazing thing that this other guy has, but you can only have it if you come into the alley with him because he can't show you in the light.
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lmao......
So what... the Rom rocked.
Just register at his forum, that's what I did. I have been running the rom since day one and it is the best rom I think I have ever used. There are a few bugs here but I use it everyday and love it. Google search "the ultimate droid evo" and it's the first link.
I didn't see anyone actually answer your question.. the second time the thread was closed was because the rom contains swype.
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I don't care wether or not his thread was shut down. I just thought the whole thing was a little shady - some guy comes out of nowhere to offer this amazing thing that this other guy has, but you can only have it if you come into the alley with him because he can't show you in the light.
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LMAO! Thats too funny! Makes sense...(no pun)
...and now the 2.1 thread has been locked in the EVO forum. Yet, identical threads in the Desire and Motorola forums are still open. Mod(s) please explain this?
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...and now the 2.1 thread has been locked in the EVO forum. Yet, identical threads in the Desire and Motorola forums are still open. Mod(s) please explain this?
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Are you freaking kidding me! I just went to the development section and the thread is gone. This is getting really stupid.
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It was shut down the first time because it linked another sign up site to download it. Second time because it included warez. Third time, may have been due to warez(ex fancy widgets) or maybe even because of the $2 monthly fee for nighties. Hell it may have just been to all the crying the tread seem to bring.
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Are you freaking kidding me! I just went to the development section and the thread is gone. This is getting really stupid.
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Here is where the thread was.. forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849986 which now the link redirects you to the "Forum & Marketplace Rules". It was stated in the subject line that the thread was not in compliance with #8
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We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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Here is the currently still open thread in the Desire forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=849992 which is an exact copy of the page which was locked.
This is getting ridiculous....
The Ultimate Droid 2.1.0
THIS IS NOT MY WORK! This is an AOSP rom brought to you by Blackdroid. If you like his work, PLEASE donate.
The forums no longer require membership to download. Additionally, in order to comply, Swype has been removed from the rom.
The Ultimate Droid 2.1.0 can be downloaded from HERE
The Ultimate Droid 2.1.0 Changelog:
- New popup changelog on startup (anderweb/blackdroid)
- New updated themed with images from gingerbread (blackdroid)
- Added new launcher (new customized version of adw with new features, anderweb/blackdroid)
- Added option to turn toggle overscroll and change weight of effect (rmcc)
- Reverted to 1.0.0 Phone UI untill updates are made to new UI. (Will be send out as and update)
- Newer more customizable live wallpapers (kmobs - make sure to donate)
- Updated all apps on the Ultimate Droid Servers
- Fixes for camera contious focus (droid)
- Updated Overhauled music app
- Updated News and Weather
- Updated Google CarHome
- Updated Google Talk
- Updated Marketplace
- Updated Google Maps
- New Kernel for Inc (cyanogen)
- Fixes for bluetooth
If you like this ROM and would like to help further development:
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE DEVELOPER!
A donation link can be found HERE
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The cached link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...wthread.php?t=849986&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
So let me get this right... because the OP posted "If you like this ROM and would like to help further developmentLEASE DO NOT FEED THE DEVELOPER! A donation link can be found HERE" outside of his/her signature this caused the thread to get locked and it's not even the OP's rom??? Not sure I understand how #8 even applies to the thread since the rom wasn't the OP's and he was trying to stay in compliance with rule #12
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
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I mean com'on it's not like the OP hacked a phone (which is illegal), stole the the UI off the phone aka: "porting" (like HTC Sense, Acer Liquid, or etc which ARE NOT open source therefore "illegal" as they are covered by copyright as stated in you HTC Sense software menu>settings>about phone>legal information>HTC legal>
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Certain software contained in this device is contributed or developed by HTC Corporation
Copyright @ [2006-2010] HTC Corportation
All Rights Reserved.
The works ("Works") herein refer to the software developed or owned by the HTC Corporation ("HTC") and not separately released under the terms of an open source software license. The information contained in the Works is the exclusive property of HTC. HTC grants the legal user of this device the right to use the Works solely within the scope of the legitimate operation of the device. No further right is granted under this license including but not limited to, distribution, reproduction, modification, and transmission. Any other usage shall be subject to the written consent of HTC
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Which means nearly EVERY developer here is direct violation of rule #6 ("Do not post warez") of the site unless someone has posted a copy of the authorization from HTC to redistribute their software. Yes, I use custom ported roms like most of xda, and I fully support advancing development of the mobile platform. My lack of understanding is not over this, but over nitpicking "some" developers and using rules when it fits ones specific agenda. Whatever agenda that might be. I am not here to start a war with admins or mods, but to get a more clear understanding of intent. It seems not only unclear to myself but to others as well. Thanks John
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It was shut down the first time because it linked another sign up site to download it. Second time because it included warez. Third time, may have been due to warez(ex fancy widgets) or maybe even because of the $2 monthly fee for nighties. Hell it may have just been to all the crying the tread seem to bring.
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2$ monthly fee HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what bullsh*t is that
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That thread was hijacked with bickering back and fourth anyway.
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That's all this thread is as well.
gqstatus0685 said:
It looks like they were looking for a reason to shut him down out of some spite.
Secondly you don't have to post a smart ass comment. I understand you're shielded behind your monitor and keyboard but that doesn't mean you have to act like a jerk.
There are plenty of ROM threads with members posting stuff they shouldn't have posted. They could have simply edited the offenders post or did a temporary ban. Anyone else care to chime in?
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they did the same thing to kingklick.
It's favoritism, that's all.
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if my memory serves me right XDA has some kind of right to host Sense roms with all the Sense things , someone made that argument before.
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Hi all!
I have a suggestion to make to the administrators of this portal.
I believe that each ROM should have it's own forum and not just a single thread. Each ROM is a really big deal. It is a piece of software that requires support, and using just one thread - the one that the creator of the ROM started to show off his work - is not enough. There should be one forum for each ROM, with locked threads on top showing latest releases, patches and known issues etc. Just like a real software product. Currently is it not easy at all for the visitor to find an answer for something already been answered before. Search inside a thread is helpful but not enough. Also, I suppose that it's not easy for the creator of ROM to keep up and know what was answered and what was not.
This forum should be administered by the ROM creator or any other friend that he/she could choose to help him out in this difficult task.
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Hi all!
I have a suggestion to make to the administrators of this portal.
I believe that each ROM should have it's own forum and not just a single thread. Each ROM is a really big deal. It is a piece of software that requires support, and using just one thread - the one that the creator of the ROM started to show off his work - is not enough. There should be one forum for each ROM, with locked threads on top showing latest releases, patches and known issues etc. Just like a real software product. Currently is it not easy at all for the visitor to find an answer for something already been answered before. Search inside a thread is helpful but not enough. Also, I suppose that it's not easy for the creator of ROM to keep up and know what was answered and what was not.
This forum should be administered by the ROM creator or any other friend that he/she could choose to help him out in this difficult task.
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Mate... i think that cant be applied because there may be 10's of roms then we will need 10's of forums. Its ok with topics i think... they just need good cleaning from useless posts.
And what is the problem with having 10s of forums? If the forum framework is flexible this shouldn't be much burden for the administrators.
yup, i am agree with you papaidi, but, we dont have to make a new separated forum, for a new rom, i think we just need a separated forum for the newest rom, then for the rom before, we need to move it to "upgrading" forum,. ;p
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yup, i am agree with you papaidi, but, we dont have to make a new separated forum, for a new rom, i think we just need a separated forum for the newest rom, then for the rom before, we need to move it to "upgrading" forum,. ;p
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I would also recommend Tags. Aren't they supported?
Take this thread for example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=270751
How can somebody find in it if there is the answer that he is looking form. This thread has more than 2500 replies! This is not a thread! It's a history book.
i hear what you're sayin but...
that's not even a ROM thread! And he (Ikarus) has taken the trouble to write up FAQs, manuals, etc, so except for troubleshooting IMO you hardly need to look through the whole thread,
This is not a thread! It's a history book.
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but that's a nice line...made me smile at least...
regarding a forum for each ROM, it would be a nice idea, but is there really space, or a real need for this? I mean, I hate looking back at a latest ROM thread and seeing 20 pages to trawl through, but what can you do... I guess I agree with WizeMan. If there is anything that can be done, perhaps harsher moderation (e.g. of newbie's questions) in the ROM threads would help.
...or...if people really did want new forums for ROMs, one for each major cooker? rather than each individual ROM...still don't think that it's worth it/do-able though
I believe seperating ROMS and forum will add more chaos. For example, there is like 100's of ROMS released for each device like hermes, wizard etc. Some of the ROM released might not be good, and hence it might be discontinued. Also with the way people are porting ROM a new OS version is released almost daily, and the chefs, start their job again with the new OS version....so having to seperate ROM forum will add more confusion...(this is my opinion)
Also, use google to search for what you need, I agree you cannot go through the 2500 replies, but some of them do have valuable information.
That's a good idea...
Sorry, but that is probably the craziest thing I have heard. Do you even know how many ROMS are out there? This forum is huge as it is. If they started making new forums for every ROM, then you would have nothing less than 200 forums minimum.
The key is to include a "Thank You" feature for every thread. The biggest problem we have here is noobs and even a lot os senior members posting THANK YOU and I'LL TEST IT OUT messages in the threads. If you actually look at the amount of useful messages in the threads, they are quite minimal as opposed to all this unnecessary chatter.
There are a lot of forums that include this "THANK YOU" feature that I mentioned. If you want to thank the author of the thread, all you do is click on a THANK YOU button and your name gets added to a THANK YOU section in the same thread. That way everything is kept clean and messages are posted only when you have something to contribute, discuss or have a problem.
Check out the thread below... you'll have a much better idea of what i'm talking about. Also, maybe we should make this more visible. If all of us start putting this in our Signatures, then members will take notice and if there is enough of noise, then the admins will take notice and we can move towards a cleaner and more functional XDA-dev.
Thank You Threads
In my oppinion this is a difficult idea to be applied. The most simple way we can wish the moderator give a list of rom and then stick them, so anybody know where is the newer rom, stable rom, or in progress. But actually there is a rule from the rom maker, they use some order of versions which they build, so anybody know when the rom is composed Thank them for the great works.
Is there a way I can add my own signature on here? I heard that it is in USER CP but the option isnt there ...
Moderator Edit - Here's the answer from svetius
svetius said:
This was an effort to combat spam, and it's had a huge impact! You'll be upgraded to a full account after a certain number of posts (5 - 8 depending on the feature)--it happens automatically. Sorry for the inconvenience
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It may take time after reaching the 5-8 post limit for it to allow you access, this is because the process runs in the background.
And when you have enough posts, you can edit your Signature in the UserCP (on the left hand side called "Edit Signature").
Or just click here : Edit Signature
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i wonder if how does this help in stopping spam ..... anyways .... whatever you feel is good should be good someways
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People / Bots were Posting generic messages, like "Thanks this is great" or in some cases, actual responses based on words in a thread. The post it's self was not spam (although pretty pointless), but the users signature would contain 3-4 links to an online company of varying levels of trustworthiness.
We used to find one or two of these bad boys a day. Because they didn't create new threads, nor did they make it obvious to the casual observer, they were getting away with it.
I have not seen one of the so called "signature spammers" since the rules were put in place.
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I had the same question...this is an excellent way to manage spam users. Good job, looking forward to delving more into this forum and getting a signature!
I was a bit upset at not being able to have a signature. Thanks Daveshaw for explaining. Its indeed a great way to stop spammers.
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I was a bit upset at not being able to have a signature. Thanks Daveshaw for explaining. Its indeed a great way to stop spammers.
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You should be all set now, check your User Control Panel
finally i found the way!!!thank you
At last I found out why I cant use signature.
I will be using the "search" more.
ah so
so that's why I couldn't see it, cant wait to unlock my sig status
Ya the post limit thing when you start a new account is a good idea to keep the spam to nothing..
Been readying these forums for a while now and finally signed up and that was the first thing I went to go do so I could edit mine to say phone type and what rom and all that nifty stuff nice t see I'm not going crazy and it really wasn't there lol
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Been readying these forums for a while now and finally signed up and that was the first thing I went to go do so I could edit mine to say phone type and what rom and all that nifty stuff nice t see I'm not going crazy and it really wasn't there lol
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Ya just takes some time lol.. Alot of sites do it that way nowa days... I always forget to come over to these threads to check on things... Always busy in the EVO 3D ones...
I like and dislike the idea.
I just logged into my account to make post (have like none) so am sorta spamming to be able to post solutions to android revolution HD. /sarcasm. My post aren't spam but i'm going to get 8 before midnight tonight!
I can see how it helps, but jeez. Couldnt post in the developer forum for the audio fix solution I made.
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I like and dislike the idea.
I just logged into my account to make post (have like none) so am sorta spamming to be able to post solutions to android revolution HD. /sarcasm. My post aren't spam but i'm going to get 8 before midnight tonight!
I can see how it helps, but jeez. Couldnt post in the developer forum for the audio fix solution I made.
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But you could post it in General, and then help a few people out while you were there, in Q&A, if your device has one. Don't bother with useless posts, they will be deleted and you'll never get to 10.
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But you could post it in General, and then help a few people out while you were there, in Q&A, if your device has one. Don't bother with useless posts, they will be deleted and you'll never get to 10.
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Well, you might be right but its not that easy. You know I have experience in those stuff in the development forum, but I have no way to make posts there.
I dont wanna be a sort of spammer by posting stupid stuff to get all the 10 posts.
But this 10 post rule leaves no other way to accomplish...
To find a topic that I can make a useful post takes a lot of time.
If you can't spend the time to make ten legitimate posts before posting in the dev fora, then you don't deserve to post there. This is a developer forum, not a support website.
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Well, you might be right but its not that easy. You know I have experience in those stuff in the development forum, but I have no way to make posts there.
I dont wanna be a sort of spammer by posting stupid stuff to get all the 10 posts.
But this 10 post rule leaves no other way to accomplish...
To find a topic that I can make a useful post takes a lot of time.
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Oh really? I was a clueless noob total non-developer when I came here and I had no trouble at all helping people who needed links or a little guidance where to find the information they need. XDA works because people help those who help themselves. Do not post useless posts, they will be removed and you'll never get to 10.
Why did this thread get unlocked? Now it's more noobs that can't read and just complain again.
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Why did this thread get unlocked? Now it's more noobs that can't read and just complain again.
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I don't know, I don't have mod powers here or I'd lock it back up myself
Just posted this in the mod request thread
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I don't know, I don't have mod powers here or I'd lock it back up myself
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Just posted this in the mod request thread
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I requested that it remain open. I've helped out others with legitimate issues before here. Also, leaving it open allows mods to track spammers easily.
XDA the wonderful forum it is, but it has gone too big. Not that i'm complaining, but you're post seems to be lost many times because 100 other people posted after you especially in hot threads or ROM releases. So if you quoted someone or someone quotes you many times you skip it, or have to do a painful searches spanning 10's of pages...
Slickdeals.net (another big forum like XDA) has a wonderful system, that whenever someone quotes you're post you get a pop-up next time you log in with a link which takes you straight to the reply. I was wondering if such a system is possible here also?
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BUMP
This feature would be really nice to have!
I like to idea, but I think it depends on the forum system. As I remember XDA uses vBulettin, you should check if it's possible to do this and if so you could ask one of the admins to set it. So to answer your question it's possible, but the admins won't change the source of the forum to do this.
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I like this idea too. It might be too resource-intensive (we never want to add a feature that slows down the site). I'll ping our server admin to see if this would be possible.
I am really missing this type of feature!
Specifically, I know many other vBulletin forums that have a /whoquotedme.php page - it shows a list of the latest posts in which you were quoted. It greatly helps in discovering who's trying to communicate with you, answer a question you might've had, or ask one of you [without specifically sending a pm].
I believe something like http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=255285
I think it checks every post to see if there is a user id present when there is a quote in the post, and then associates a link to that post with the user who was quoted.
I haven't specifically heard of it being a resource hog, but then again I am not a vBulletin admin
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I am really missing this type of feature!
Specifically, I know many other vBulletin forums that have a /whoquotedme.php page - it shows a list of the latest posts in which you were quoted. It greatly helps in discovering who's trying to communicate with you, answer a question you might've had, or ask one of you [without specifically sending a pm].
I believe something like http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=255285
I think it checks every post to see if there is a user id present when there is a quote in the post, and then associates a link to that post with the user who was quoted.
I haven't specifically heard of it being a resource hog, but then again I am not a vBulletin admin
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I know of a similar addon for the correct version of vBulletin that does something like this...
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I know of a similar addon for the correct version of vBulletin that does something like this...
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So why not post / install it?
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So why not post / install it?
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Discussed it with other mods, but we don't think it is needed at this time.
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Discussed it with other mods, but we don't think it is needed at this time.
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Wow really, is it because is it too resource intensive? Slickdeals, is also hosted on vBulletin platform..
Sorry for the late reply and digging this thread up but ironically, I forgot to keep track of this thread
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Wow really, is it because is it too resource intensive? Slickdeals, is also hosted on vBulletin platform..
Sorry for the late reply and digging this thread up but ironically, I forgot to keep track of this thread
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Yes, it was determined to be very resource intensive, for a site with 4 million users, as every post would have to be checked as it was made, to see if it mentioned someone...
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Yes, it was determined to be very resource intensive, for a site with 4 million users, as every post would have to be checked as it was made, to see if it mentioned someone...
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how about allowing users to jump to their last posts in a thread?
having to search for your own post in a thread, especially a popular ROM thread for example, is a very annoying...
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how about allowing users to jump to their last posts in a thread?
having to search for your own post in a thread, especially a popular ROM thread for example, is a very annoying...
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Agree, nice idea. coul be also nice to have a better implementation of the actual search in a topic... Right now it is a bit confusing
That would be cool, but I'd be happy if notifications worked at all. Mine quit working two updates ago and haven't worked since.
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That would be cool, but I'd be happy if notifications worked at all. Mine quit working two updates ago and haven't worked since.
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Are you referring to notifications to new replies on subscribed threads or new PMs? Those are definitely working. If your having an issue with that, we can certainly help you get to the bottom of why your not receiving yours.
When I want to go back to recent conversations I was involved in I use the "Find all posts by" link.
Click on your user name at the top right, select Statistics and there's the link - "Find all posts by your username". I've bookmarked this for easy access.
That way, if I've taken part in a conversation then I can carry on where I left off. If I don't want to see what people responded with then I obviously don't care, and that's up to me to choose. It's the easiest way to keep track of what you were involved in.
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Are you referring to notifications to new replies on subscribed threads or new PMs? Those are definitely working. If your having an issue with that, we can certainly help you get to the bottom of why your not receiving yours.
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Hmmm. Well I just upgraded to a new phone yesterday so let me see if they work on the new one or not. I didn't turn them on assuming it was broken. I had an Eris and a lot of Eris users were complaining that the notifications had quit. I'll let you know.
Thanks
My notifications definitely are not working. I wiped all app caches, uninstalled the xda app, wiped data/dalvik cache and cache/dalvik cache and rebooted twice. I then reinstalled xda app, logged in and set preferences. Still no notifications and I have no idea why. Email and text messages work.
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all very good suggestions!
I hope they find a way to realize that.
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Yes, it was determined to be very resource intensive, for a site with 4 million users, as every post would have to be checked as it was made, to see if it mentioned someone...
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If you think of it like that way, it is...
However at slickdeals I think its implemented like whenever someone quote's, a notification is being sent to the ID whose post was quoted...that notification later pops up at bottom when that user logs on, similar to PM dialog which pops, you don't make an actual search in the post that if mentioned someone, so not that resource intensive I feel
What was wrong with bonsai masterkee unlock? Sorry if threads on this topic are against the rules (i thought only links were), so I am sorry if I broke the rules, if so a mod may delete this thread but I just want an explaination.
Did the news get around about a guy named butcher pete?
Idk but why go to another method when one-click is simple and fast
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Idk but why go to another method when one-click is simple and fast
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Idk, idc, idgaf, im just wondering.
Did the news get around about a guy named butcher pete?
Currently the advantage of using their tool for me anyways is that I think their Recovery is > cwm 3.0.2.5 . In future updates this tool will install ROM's and will work on multiple devices is what i heard.
marcusant said:
What was wrong with bonsai masterkee unlock? Sorry if threads on this topic are against the rules (i thought only links were), so I am sorry if I broke the rules, if so a mod may delete this thread but I just want an explaination.
Did the news get around about a guy named butcher pete?
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This probably best as a discussion in the General thread. It seems a little more lenient as long as links to a site that is free and only requires a registration to download is forbidden unless you are Android Central which also requires registration to download. But that must be different ??????
links to android central downloads are against the rules also... but discussing bonsai stuff is not. there are a few threads here. but announcing their releases here will usually get locked, since you cant link them, and they dont support them here. I havent used the unlocks yet, i downloaded them to take a look but havent had a chance, but when gingerbread comes they will have to make changes anyway.
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links to android central downloads are against the rules also... but discussing bonsai stuff is not. there are a few threads here. but announcing their releases here will usually get locked, since you cant link them, and they dont support them here. I havent used the unlocks yet, i downloaded them to take a look but havent had a chance, but when gingerbread comes they will have to make changes anyway.
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Thanks Chris for the explanation. I guess the Android Central links are not as controversial as the Bonsai so don't get the same publicity when they are removed. Thanks again.
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What was wrong with bonsai masterkee unlock? Sorry if threads on this topic are against the rules (i thought only links were), so I am sorry if I broke the rules, if so a mod may delete this thread but I just want an explaination.
Did the news get around about a guy named butcher pete?
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I know that XDA does not allow bonsaigeek links due to the fact that Bonsai requires you to register at their site to get thair code. XDA views this as against the liberties granted through the GPL license.
I do not think they allow Bonsai announcements either.
The latest posters who were shutdown were flamers, extremely critical of XDA and their policies. If you do not like XDA policies, do not sign up & post.
They should not sign up, accept the policies, and then flame XDA, basically asking for a ban.
That's my opinion anyway, FWIW.
Hello! I researched the Rules and did not find a clear policy on members posting .apk's on the forum, especially relating to non-market apps. I understand some members (NOT recognised as devs/themers,etc) may want to test their apps and call out a request and I see that from time to time, but I also worry that malicious code could be propagated in this manner, when there is no 'market'-like processes to vet said apps. Latest example is a post with a wallpapers app/.apk that the poster says must be pushed via adb. Could I get a clarification of the policy? TIA! Cheers!
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Hello! I researched the Rules and did not find a clear policy on members posting .apk's on the forum, especially relating to non-market apps. I understand some members (NOT recognised as devs/themers,etc) may want to test their apps and call out a request and I see that from time to time, but I also worry that malicious code could be propagated in this manner, when there is no 'market'-like processes to vet said apps. Latest example is a post with a wallpapers app/.apk that the poster says must be pushed via adb. Could I get a clarification of the policy? TIA! Cheers!
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It's basically "you're on your own." Why? If you're not comfortable with sideloading third-party applications, you shouldn't be on XDA in the first place. I don't mean this in an offensive way.
Product F(RED) said:
It's basically "you're on your own." Why? If you're not comfortable with sideloading third-party applications, you shouldn't be on XDA in the first place. I don't mean this in an offensive way.
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Nothing to do with 'sideloading', happy to do so on apk's from known/trusted sources (esp. known dev/themers with history). So I can post any malicious code, wrap it in an .apk and post it here and things are hunky-dory?
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Nothing to do with 'sideloading', happy to do so on apk's from known/trusted sources (esp. known dev/themers with history). So I can post any malicious code, wrap it in an .apk and post it here and things are hunky-dory?
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Sideloading = Taking an APK file and manually installing it on your device, which is what you're describing.
CAN you do that? Yes. SHOULD you do that? No.
If you get caught, will you get banned? Yes.
Do we have some sort of attachment scanner capable of scanning APKs? No.
Even if we did, would spreading malicious APKs still be possible? Yes, through external hosting sites.
Just to clarify:
You can post any APK you want to as long as it is NOT someone else's paid app (warez) nor illegal, nor harmful to a device.
If you look at the various themes and apps section, lots of Junior and Senior members post up their APKs or flashable ZIPs or what have you, and this is not against our rules. The rules just forbid you putting up a paid APK that you did not develop, because that is illegal and is basically stealing.
But there is no blanket rule against posting APKs or installing APKs.
you DO need to be careful what you install though. If you see something shady report it. I personally would NOT flash a wallpapers APK, but I would install a verified beta launcher APK or something, so you need to exercise some common sense..
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Sideloading = Taking an APK file and manually installing it on your device, which is what you're describing.
CAN you do that? Yes. SHOULD you do that? No.
If you get caught, will you get banned? Yes.
Do we have some sort of attachment scanner capable of scanning APKs? No.
Even if we did, would spreading malicious APKs still be possible? Yes, through external hosting sites.
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Again, I understand there are risks and again my point has nothing to do with sideloading per se..my point is your statement:
"If you get caught, will you get banned? Yes. "
And I ask, How? Under what rule? If it is a banworthy offence, there should be a rule.
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Again, I understand there are risks and again my point has nothing to do with sideloading per se..my point is your statement:
"If you get caught, will you get banned? Yes. "
And I ask, How? Under what rule? If it is a banworthy offence, there should be a rule.
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Re-read my post.
You will not be banned for posting or installing an APK unless it is warez or obviously spam or harmful.
"If you get caught, will you get banned? Yes. "
This is statement is not true unless it violates what I have just described.
There are APKs floating all over these forums. I personally use the transparent Genie Wdiget APK that you can only find in APK form, that I actually have to push to /system/app to get to work, there is NO RULE that says you cannot post it or install it.
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Just to clarify:
You can post any APK you want to as long as it is NOT someone else's paid app (warez) nor illegal, nor harmful to a device.
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Therein lies the problem..what is 'harmful to a device'? Auto-brick? Is harmful to the user (ID/personal info theft) not included in 'harmful'?
If you look at the various themes and apps section, lots of Junior and Senior members post up their APKs or flashable ZIPs or what have you, and this is not against our rules. The rules just forbid you putting up a paid APK that you did not develop, because that is illegal and is basically stealing.
But there is no blanket rule against posting APKs or installing APKs.
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(Devil's advocate time)..I care MUCH LESS about paid apk 'theft' than ID/personal info theft..for our members, that issue greatly outweighs some commercial interests. I understand completely XDA currently has no mechanism to police code/.apk's posted, etc. Part of my point in raising the issue is to understand what would raise a flag/ban currently and again under what rule.
you DO need to be careful what you install though. If you see something shady report it. I personally would NOT flash a wallpapers APK, but I would install a verified beta launcher APK or something, so you need to exercise some common sense..
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This is a given. I just think XDA needs a clear(er) policy on this, and is missing an opportunity to roll this into a Recognised Contributor/Developer/Themer attribute, giving our membership greater confidence when using 'unofficial' apk's/non-market apps. I think management should revisit the topic, and come up with a defined rule like other ban-able offences, and utilise existing tools (Recognised labels or other excellence-based protocol) to enhance member confidence going forward.
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Therein lies the problem..what is 'harmful to a device'? Auto-brick? Is harmful to the user (ID/personal info theft) not included in 'harmful'?
(Devil's advocate time)..I care MUCH LESS about paid apk 'theft' than ID/personal info theft..for our members, that issue greatly outweighs some commercial interests. I understand completely XDA currently has no mechanism to police code/.apk's posted, etc. Part of my point in raising the issue is to understand what would raise a flag/ban currently and again under what rule.
This is a given. I just think XDA needs a clear(er) policy on this, and is missing an opportunity to roll this into a Recognised Contributor/Developer/Themer attribute, giving our membership greater confidence when using 'unofficial' apk's/non-market apps. I think management should revisit the topic, and come up with a defined rule like other ban-able offences, and utilise existing tools (Recognised labels or other excellence-based protocol) to enhance member confidence going forward.
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The normal rules regulate what you can post. We have an anti-warez rule, so that would include an APK.
We cannot just have a million rules on this or that permission is allowed in this APK or not, you just have to use common sense on it.
Honestly, APKs don't really cause bricks. At worst they will soft-brick a device, but the things that cause bricks are bootloader or radio flashes, or a bad kernel, but not APKs, so that's not really something to worry about.
Even some Play Store apps are found to have malware and are removed by Google, but not before infecting a phone, so it is not possible to regulate every single APK, nor is it possible to prevent all hard bricks.
As long as there are users who are not careful or who do not read and Odin flash the wrong firmware or flash an HBOOT version that was expressly told not to flash or flash an old .51 radio on a T-Mobile HD2 you will have problems.
This is a developer forum. Developers make apps and they put it in APK form. There is nothing wrong with this. Be careful what you push to /system/app, look at the permissions you are allowing. Do you want a wallpaper APK to have access to your phone records or GPS location? If not, hit cancel.
But I don't think we should ban all APKs, or APKs that want this or that permission. If you see something shady, report it.
And I don't understand what a recognized Dev, Themer, or Contributor title has to do with posting APKs, those are not related in any way, or did I miss the point on that?
How would you clarify the rules on this? What problem have you seen that needs to be solved? This seems academic unless you've seen a practical issue?
I don't really get what his (the OP's) point is, but my response was specifically addressing his question about knowingly posting malicious APKs.
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I don't really get what his (the OP's) point is, but my response was specifically addressing his question about knowingly posting malicious APKs.
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I didn't get the malicious part. Yeah that would obviously be removed
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The normal rules regulate what you can post. We have an anti-warez rule, so that would include an APK.
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I assert XDA lacks a rule for malware or onerous permissions, and it *should* be a 'normal rule', along with warez, etc.
We cannot just have a million rules on this or that permission is allowed in this APK or not, you just have to use common sense on it.
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I'm not requesting a million, just a CLEAR rule on XDA's policy on .apk posting, what constitutes a ban or link removal.
Honestly, APKs don't really cause bricks. At worst they will soft-brick a device, but the things that cause bricks are bootloader or radio flashes, or a bad kernel, but not APKs, so that's not really something to worry about.
Even some Play Store apps are found to have malware and are removed by Google, but not before infecting a phone, so it is not possible to regulate every single APK, nor is it possible to prevent all hard bricks.
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Agreed. My point is XDA can clarify the rule, while instilling confidence in the .apk's routinely posted within fora (especially if they come from Recognised Devs/Themers and the like, that is why I mentioned the Recog label, but I assume it was devised to control donation begging, rather than any design to add member confidence, please correct me if I'm wrong).
As long as there are users who are not careful or who do not read and Odin flash the wrong firmware or flash an HBOOT version that was expressly told not to flash or flash an old .51 radio on a T-Mobile HD2 you will have problems.
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I'm not concerned with, well, idiots..I simply think XDA could do better with monitoring it's links wrt .apk's and develop a clearer policy, as it has done for warez.
This is a developer forum. Developers make apps and they put it in APK form. There is nothing wrong with this. Be careful what you push to /system/app, look at the permissions you are allowing. Do you want a wallpaper APK to have access to your phone records or GPS location? If not, hit cancel.
But I don't think we should ban all APKs, or APKs that want this or that permission. If you see something shady, report it.
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The crux...members are MORE LIKELY to report a shady .apk IF WE HAD A CLEAR POLICY, and enforcement.
And I don't understand what a recognized Dev, Themer, or Contributor title has to do with posting APKs, those are not related in any way, or did I miss the point on that?
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Perhaps, but that would depend on what one sees as the purpose of 'Recognised' label...I assume it was to elevate the code quality and comradery of developers, but it could simply grant donation status, I suppose.
How would you clarify the rules on this? What problem have you seen that needs to be solved? This seems academic unless you've seen a practical issue?
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A clear simple rule: "Downloading and installing software in any manner on your device is AT YOUR OWN RISK. However, XDA reserves the right to remove any links or software and ban members posting any links or software, at its discretion. Members should report any suspicious links and software to staff for review, and use common sense when choosing which developers and software to use. "
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I didn't get the malicious part. Yeah that would obviously be removed
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Yes, it seems academic, that is why I'm surprised an explicit rule for members to refer to, doesn't exist.
I think I've exhausted my point, so I'll stop unless anyone has anything else to add. Cheers!
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OK, I think I get you know.
I guess I just feel like that is so obvious that it wouldn't really need to be explicitly stated.
If you knowingly post malware, you will be banned.
But I do see your point, and it makes sense. Would you care to hazard a suggestion on how it would be worded and implemented?
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OK, I think I get you know.
I guess I just feel like that is so obvious that it wouldn't really need to be explicitly stated.
If you knowingly post malware, you will be banned.
But I do see your point, and it makes sense. Would you care to hazard a suggestion on how it would be worded and implemented?
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I think what I posted above; "Downloading and installing software in any manner on your device is AT YOUR OWN RISK. However, XDA reserves the right to remove any links or software and ban members posting any links or software, at its discretion. Members should report any suspicious links and software to staff for review, and use common sense when choosing which developers and software to use. "
is a good starting point, but I would also prefer language specifically about malware and onerous permissions. Presently, it seems to be a free-for-all to post anything (non-warez) at whim (throw it against the wall and see what sticks) based on the rules presently. I can see where staff might not 'be on the same page' in responding to member reports on this topic without the clear rule. Even the warez rule itself could be expanded to include malware and onerous permissions...whatever works best for staff, and clarifies the rule for members. I would expect staff-specific rules about what constitutes onerous permissions (like your example about contacts for a wallpaper app) and would like those in the public rule as well, but detail isn't absolutely necessary (it begins to obscure rather than clarify at some point). When the time comes for members to see/report, and staff to delete/ban, this rule should be the reference. Cheers!