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Will Mobile 7 be compatible with Hermes?

when it debuts? if so, we'll be getting cooked version here? when is it expected to come along>?

WM6 just came out earlier this year.. its probably too early for anyone to be able to give you a definate answer.

No one can tell the future. Questions like this only fuel speculation and rumours.

im sure by the time WM7 comes out there will be no more Hermes

Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.

JediFonger said:
when it debuts? if so, we'll be getting cooked version here? when is it expected to come along>?
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THIS is useless post wm7 lol

KanosWRX said:
Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.
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Totally agreed. Most of the time, backwards compatibility only hinders progress and development.

the Hermes is already obsolete

why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 years old now. most new phones are still using either the 200mhz processors like the elf and tytn II is still using the 400mhz. only real diff. is the rom and ram. obsolete for who someone who needs the newest and greatest maybe.
i like thread that speculate like this why not rumors dont hurt any1 and just a real basic topic and seeing how that the tytn II is running wm6 then it has a good chance of being upgraded to wm7 right i mean were able to get are wizards and hermes to wm6. and since the hermes is the same basic device as the tytn II then i dont see it not being a possibility unless the tytn II is unable to be upgraded or that it requires more ram and rom to run. either way i dont think that wm7 is going to be a giant leap. ms is very slow at major changes and wm6 is basically like a sp2 for wm5 in a way. so i dont think that wm7 will be as much of a leap as most would hope.
but just my opinion on the matter i like these threads.

Lets see. Maybe it will be a WM8 or ......
Everything wich makes my device better is welcome !!!!

JediFonger said:
when it debuts?
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End of 2007? See this older article at Brighthand
rydor

nateshuntsvegas said:
why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 .
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The new Tytn II is out you know...

jompao said:
The new Tytn II is out you know...
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6th generation Ipods are out, does that make my 4th generation ipod obselete? Nope, works just as well as 5th and 6th gen.

Windows Mobile 7
JediFonger said:
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Considering Mobile 6 came out shorlty AFTER Windows 6 (i.e. Vista).
Then it is not too hard to imgagine the same for WM7 coming out after Windows 7 (Formerly Blackcomb or Vienna). It is slated for 2010.
But there may be an intermediate release for WM6, likely not to be named WM7, just updates/tweaks.

hehe maybe service packs? why dont mobiles have that more often... not like everything is peachy of every new device and even old ones... there are so many bugs that everyone on such communities as this one fix, that i do not understand why we dont have more service packs for mobile devices :/ esp when a number of new devices come out and need the OS to be tweaked to utilize there new features or hardware.

Don't see any special difference between the TyTN 1 and 2 except the screen that moves in a special position and a new design...

I'm personally waiting for windows mobile 14...hopefully my 8525 will run it
haha

My first PDA in 2001 had PPC2002 (Compaq Ipaq) now my Jasjam (Hermes) is WM6 with this forums help
I would not get excited about anything from msoft in the future, I cant believe that 3 revisions and 6 years and there is not that much difference.
That is why you need killer apps and xda developers to make the Hermes into an excellent device. Mine is the way I want it now and very happy with it

People I still cant believe that HTC are releasing new models that dont support 3G. There isnt a device out there you would trade a Hermes for yet??
It would be great to see a newer device with enough memory to run itself for a few hours without grinding to a halt. How about a device like the S710 with 3G? It doesnt hurt to dream? Hopefully the right people read these forums?

Windows Mobile Vista is sure to ruin EVERYTHING!!!

WM 6.5? wow =P. we haven't even optimized 6.1 yet =).

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...-windows-mobile-7-try-windows-mobile-6-5.html

Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..

cirial said:
Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..
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Cool, can't wait to cook roms with it!!! and YES I'll be around then!

cirial said:
Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..
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It needn't be that late for 6.5 ROMs to start appearing here, need it? Going by version 6 experiences, we could expect to see the 6.5 ROMs as early as this year. Hermes support is an unknown though.
kernelguy

MUT%$ Fu&%$!!!!!!!
HAhahahahaha i was exited.... sorry... but without screenshots it becames like the WM7 Toughts hahaha.... we all spect not to have the enhaced oS with 3D processor like the new Diamond hardware....
Hope its not and can be cooked to hermes....

I dont know if i want to believe this or not...

Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???

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Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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try one of these roms with manilla and you'll know... hermes is such a great pda but its resources are very limited and microsoft has tradition in releasing new systems that like to eat a big slice of memory. let's see.
there's always a possibility that this is just speculation. apple os for the iphone is a big deal when it comes to finger friendly apps, so is google android and microsoft knows that all... and let's not forget that nokia is also about to release their iphone-like handset running a touchscreen version of their Symbian OS which the market's been waiting for a long time. microsoft needs to react really fast, i think that 'second half of 2009' would be way too late.

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Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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Depends on how flashy they make it. My old HTC Typhoon that came with WM2003SE runs WM6.1 just fine right now. But if MS starts relying heavily on graphics processing, 2D or 3D, most older devices won't be able to handle it.

Yea your probably right.
But I think in 2009 I can buy a new telephone then

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Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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No, because WM7 is built on WinCE 6.0, Hermes runs WinCE 5.0.

i really do not know if our Hermes will fit the WM6.5

i'd like to think that by the time wm6.5 and wm7 rolls around, most of us will have replaced the hermes with somn newer from HTC+nvidia's tegra600 or better GPUs
http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html
i can't wait til what kinds of neat things xda devs. can do with a fully powered GPU and lots more room to do it with. i'm always amazed what xda devs. can do with hermes platform already =P.

JediFonger said:
i'd like to think that by the time wm6.5 and wm7 rolls around, most of us will have replaced the hermes with somn newer from HTC+nvidia's tegra600 or better GPUs
can do with a fully powered GPU and lots more room to do it with. i'm always amazed what xda devs. can do with hermes platform already =P.
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yes, nvidia's tegra600 is good future stuff! Are U sure HTC is working with nvidia tegra600?

what needs to happen
I would never say that wm 6.5 or 7 can't run on the hermes, odds are it will be so memory heavy that it will not have much free program memory to run.
having said that, I still have a mpx200 in the drawer that I mess with every now and then, it started with wm2002, then went through the os's all the way up to wm6.1 after someone figured out how to use the storage card for the os to run.
My guess is that it would take someone figuring out how to load the os (or most of it) onto the card and run the programs (or most of them) from the card so that the program memory could run the device. (here is where the nonbelievers say things about how the sdcard tranfer rate is not fast enough to run programs or how the hermes prossesor is not made for the os...blah...blah...blah) all I can say is tell your naysaying to my mpx200
and for those who say get a better device, ah, were not talking about launching the shuttle here, it's a ppc, 400mhz is plenty to keep the hermes a very usable device for the average user for a long time.
The point is not will I use it, but could I use it and with the right developers, I am very confident I could and will.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1653
supposed screenshots of 6.5.

if you look at the icons some of them are imac icons. Its not a real shot of it.

I dont know but
watch at your help app icon (lifesaver) comes from the Linux OS
so maybe is maybe isn't the only thing we can spect is the release date... and maybe neither that.

Screenshots says nothing....i can put an iphone skin on my hermes....

i'm not 100% sure these screenshots are fake but one thing i must say is that they do look a lot like the Zune interface which would definitely be a good market strategy for microsoft to put all their mobile experiences with a similar look.
zune is a great music player and its market share's been growing rapidly it would be a quite smart move from microsoft to get everything in the family.

Why do I want WM6.5 on my BA?

My apologies if I'm posting in the wrong area...
SO, I recently aquired an SX66 and am deciding on the 2003se Tmo rom, or WM6.5 (or whatever.
I can't find a concise answer: why do I want WM6.5?
What does it do that 2003se doesn't do, or why is it better?
Is it stable?
What are the major drawbacks to using WM6.5 on my BA?
Are there problems with going back to 2003se?
And what are the chances of bricking my device, provided I follow the instructions correctly?
AND what is (are) the most common mistake(s) that will brick my device when upgrading to 6.5 (besides cutting power/usb in process)?
I know some or all of the answers to these questions are out there (I've been looking), but it would be nice to have an idiot's single post to refer to for the most basic questions/answers.
TIA!

Hi,
if I were you I would never put WM 6.5 on your BA, I don't like 6.5. I would stay 6.0 or 6.1.
But WM 6 Has more compatibility with programs and has more functionality.
I don't know if its stable, because I cant get it on my BA( I have Ran WM 6/ 6.1/6.5 on a Kaiser).
Further someone else will awnser I think

Why not on your BA (do you have a ph20b?)?

im not sure about your taste in operating systems but i'm a XP loving vistahater.
wm6.5 is vista merged with OSX for your 5 year old phone. I flashed one of my BAs with it last night. it was horrible. speed wise, i about threw the phone against the wall. GUI wise? No more start menu, no more programs menu, no more settings menu. it's all been replaced with that ohsowonderful honeycomb gui. sure, it MAY be better for fingers, not that the old style was that hard, but christ almighty it makes doing anything hairpull-hard.
shortversion:
go with wm2003 or wm5. i find they're faster. i prefer 2003, since it runs all in RAM.
as for your brick question, i aint too sure. i'd like to know how exactly you brick one of these meself. i can't find anything on it, the documentation of the BA is surprisngly lacking for most of this.

I like the new builds of 6.5 with the big bottom bar, but it is so much less functional. I would definitely go with something besides 6.5, although in my experience I found it faster than any other version of winmo. I have had a few lockups, but mostly just with the comm manager/internet.

its hard to judge its fastness since its so..hard to navigate. i can't even read the icons, let alone try and use it.
microsoft trying to copy apple does not produce good results, methinks.
and hte new homescreen irks me. its usability is horrible, its better on blueangel but on the hermes it was just bad.

I still use WM2003 because:
1. The device is designed for this OS.
2. I don't have needless time to spent for OS experiments.
3. I like small and fast Office versions like the old Word and Excel Mobile.
4. I like the build in encryption in Excel Mobile.
5. I don't like the soft keys (>= WM5), because they replace more usable and faster menus.
6. All applications I need run under WM2003.
I'll change my OS when I change my device (currently hoping for the HTC Thoth.).

You guys are great.
To be hones, I hate M$ (no flaming, please) and have been running Ubuntu Linux for about the last year. I especially hate Vista.
I also appriciate the insight into the feel of the WM6.5 os. I don't care about newest, latest, or greatest. I want "works great", so it looks like I'll be sticking with the Tmo 2003se rom.
Thanks ya'll.

..why not install linux then? i got linux working on mine. i cant seem to interface witht he actual phone though. perhaps thats tonights project.
interesting thing to play with though.

interestingfellow said:
You guys are great.
To be hones, I hate M$ (no flaming, please) and have been running Ubuntu Linux for about the last year. I especially hate Vista.
I also appriciate the insight into the feel of the WM6.5 os. I don't care about newest, latest, or greatest. I want "works great", so it looks like I'll be sticking with the Tmo 2003se rom.
Thanks ya'll.
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I also tried Linux on my BA. It's wonderful and plenty of possibilities but ... only possibilities because the hardware is not open and people needs to hack this device.
I don't want to buy anymore a device that needs the work of some guys like xplode working hard to get these devices running properly.
I don't want to spend thousands of hours getting my 500 Eur. mobile connected to wifi. And when I ask the carrier he says me that they have no plans to solve the problem, so I solved myself the problem (thnks a lot, xda-developers).
No, no and nooo. So I decided to stay with my BA in Windows 2003se wwe and wait ...
-Hum: HTC blackstone. Very nice but Windows. No more Windows, please.
-Hum: Neo Freerunner. Open but no future.
-Hum: Iphone. Very nice. Very closed. No, thanks.
-Hum: HTC Dream. Linux but hiddenly closed Android on top capturing my traffic. NOoo.
-Hum: Palm pre. Linux but WebOS in the same way that Android or Iphone. No, thanks.
-Hum: Nokia's N900. Linux debian. Open. May be this is my phone. I will wait a couple of months to see your opinions.
Regards,
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Why WM 6.5?
because sooner or later, it will have more compatibility than the old OS.
more compatible with the new apps, games, tools, hardware like gps, a2dp support,wifi type N,and many more.
maybe today WM 6.5 maybe still craps, have a lot of bugs,etc, but newer OS is designed to be better from the previous one, it's just about time whether m$ can make it better or just make another mistake like vista..we'll see

that isnt entirely relevant to the blueangel though.
yeah. wm6.5 is the new wmstandard, so new hardware will have drivers for it and not for the others.
but we're not talking new hardware here. we're talking a device built in 2004 for wm2003, there is no new hardware for it. as for new appz and gamezzzz, wm6.5 is mostly a new interface from what ive gathered. the OS core isnt changed to the point of changing older APIs. programs should work both ways.
and sooner or later? its supposed to be replaced in a year. methinks nobody is going to jump on the bandwagon that fast.
pointis, its bad. unless you like the new interface, its no different. except slower.

I flashed on the newest tmo uk rom for 2003se, and I'm happy with it. I"m used to the 2003/se OS, and all the progs I know about and have a copy of, work on it.
Linux seems like a great idea, but I don't have time to spend getting it right.
I might try WM5 or 6/6.5 after I get my hands on the universal that's on it's way, but I need my phone to work, and work well, right now.

..i hate you. the universal needs to drop a few hundred bucks in price so i can grab 3 of them. it seems like a nicephone, i want it. damnit.
if you want i can DD my linux SDcard and upload the image. just dd it to a sd, pop it in and run haret. methinks it should work. actually im going to do that.

it was quick, feel free to better clean up the article but i have created a quickstart guide using my image for linux on hte BA.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueAngel_Linux
i'm tired and fizzled out, so anyone feel free to rewrite it to more easily understandability.

Kind of off topic, but the linux for the BA is ran off an sd card? Kind of like a live cd that doesn't touch the roms and storage(s); just pop out the sd and soft reset, and everything is back to WM? I would totally advertise that aspect of it... it might get more people into linux for the HTC devices (or maybe I just caught up to the bandwagon)

of course. thats how all linux is ran on htc phones from my knowedlge, i havent heard of anyone actually replacing WM with it.

If its any help
Is it stable?
Yes both 6.1 and 6.5 is stable enough.
I tried every rom and tested throughly and decided to stick to Sun Dreams 6.1 as it is very stable
What are the major drawbacks to using WM6.5 on my BA?
None
Are there problems with going back to 2003se?
Nope, as long as you dont repart you ll be ok to go back to 2003 (someone pls correct If I am wrong) But I dont think you would wanna go back to 2003se as most of the todays apps designed to run on wm5 and later
And what are the chances of bricking my device, provided I follow the instructions correctly?
Slim
Make sure no ones using the microwave washing machine and the dishwasher whilst they are hoovering you ll be fine. Just read the instructions over and over till you are ok with it. Patience and make sure both batteries device/laptop whatever charged up and Use XP as it makes things easy.
AND what is (are) the most common mistake(s) that will brick my device when upgrading to 6.5 (besides cutting power/usb in process)?
make sure you have the right rom !!! you ll be fine
I know some or all of the answers to these questions are out there (I've been looking), but it would be nice to have an idiot's single post to refer to for the most basic questions/answers.
I remember my first time I was totally scared !!!

i wasnt scared.
i was more scared when i realized i had a flash going on my harrier and had just popped out the battery. bricked to ****.
and 2003 is better than them. faster. and **** appcompatibility. OS speed matters more.

Yeah, there are no linux or android flashable roms... yet, but in regard to reasons to upgrade
1.smooth flick (or kinetic) scrolling basically everywhere in the operated system
2.some built in app are updated i.e. internet explorer, contacts app
3.compatibilility with newer programs, alot of newer programs wont run on 2003
4.new today screen with bigger font and new plugins
If any1 would like to add feel free to do so.

>> PETITION << Windows Phone 6.5 for HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD

This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:
We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!
Sign Petition here
Help me so I can help you.

We've done the same thing few years ago for Trinity and nothing happened ... When HTC say NO it's really NO ....

we've got briliant chefs , so no need for it

A cosa serve questa petizione?
Abbiamo già wm 6.5 con manila 2.5 sull'HD. Addirittura abbiamo wm 6.5.1 !!!!

The problem is not only with the ROM`s for example i use Blackstone and i buy it when was out on the market for alot money.. The problem is that you have a super phone.. without a support for example iPhone have alot FUN apps thousend and thousend over the net and the peoples can have fun at all.. for example iWash and etc.
The HTC have alot more potential and all resource but nothing heppand.
Imagine if the HTC have Support and they release NEW ROM`s and NEW APPS make by themself what then will be here?
Nobody will buy Any other kind of Device i love my Blackstone but i miss FUN and Enterteinment Apps
Regards

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This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:
We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!
Sign Petition here
Help me so I can help you.
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I believe this is unnecessary when we have brilliant chefs who make ROMs that run smoother and more stable than Stock ROMs. If you want to think about it a different way - we got WM6.5 before it was officially released! Can't be more happy than that!
If you want to keep your warranty without too much hassle use USPL.

Why the double thread?
A certain MOD will not be amused!!

probably a waste of time man. htc is already a few generations ahead in their phone lineup. to them these phones might as well not even exist anymore.

hasn't your thread elsewhere been closed? lol
I've made this point before and I'll make it again.
If you go out and buy and computer from say HP with Vista on it and a year down the road MS release Windows 7 would you really expect HP to provide you with a free upgrade?

Last chance saloon mate, I've already closed 2 others threads by yourself on this topic. No need to create duplicate threads. Read the forum rules!!
5. Post a message only once.
As a large forum we don't need unnecessary clutter, You're free to edit your message as you like, so if you do not receive an answer revisit your message and see if you can describe your problem better. Not everyone is online at the same time, it might take a while before you receive an answer.
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Having a petition ain't going to change HTC's mind on this. Although I appreciate your reasons its a pointless cause
Thread closed
p.s. PM me to discuss reasons for closing your threads if you feel hard done by, but if another thread is created I will have no choice but to issue you a 3 day ban

Tilt 2 and WM 7 ?

Hello everyone. Can I have some expert opinion please? Do we think that the tilt 2 which was just released last Oct. and I just got mine last week, will be able to support windows mobile 7? Do we think that AT&T will upgrade the OS when it comes out? Being and owner of win mo phones since the 8125 first came out, I know how slow AT&T is to release updated OS's.

This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...

I'm not an expert at all...
But it seems like it's one thing for W7 to be somehow cooked to run on the TP2, but another thing for it to run well, without excessive lag (for example).

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This is by no means an "expert" opinion. But the general consensus nowadays is that only the HD2 is confirmed to support WinMo7 and our TP2 will not.
But, consider this:
-WinMo 6.5 was not meant to be on the Touch Diamond.
-WinMo devices were not meant to run Android.
-Sense 2.5 was not meant to come to our TP2.
Yet all the above are happening thanks to the great minds of XDA developers...
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This is a great point. Whenever someone dares to mention WinMo7 on the TP2, you get flamed and the spec impossibilities yelled at your face. But exactly my point about what people said "couldn't" be done!

It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not

sukru said:
It definitely won't be easy, but as long as the OS is cook-able, somebody will take on the task.
What worries me is though, WM7 may not be WM at all! Several reports told something about Zune OS being used instead, and being incompatible with any of the old applications. I hope not
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The Zune OS is based off of the Windows CE kernel, which is also the base for Windows Mobile, so there wouldn't be complete incompatibility as some of the false rumors lead you to believe. There are a lot of blatantly false rumors floating around on even the most respected WM sites, so take every unconfirmed rumor you read about WM 7 with a grain of salt.
Though I would love Windows Mobile 7 on the Touch Pro2, I have to say that it's pretty unlikely it'll happen. First, to everyone who gives the example of WM6 running on WM5 devices and WM6.5 running on WM 6.x/5.x devices, the reason this is easy is because all these operating systems (WM5-WM6) run the same Windows CE 5.2 kernel. It's a lot easier to backport an OS when it uses the same kernel. Windows Mobile 7 is going to be based off Windows CE 6 or 7, and it'll likely take a hell of a lot of low-level work to get WM7 on the Pro2.
If you don't believe me, look in this thread at PPCGeeks, where some of the most technical people discuss this issue in more detail. It seems to me that we'll need a new everything, from the SPL and bootloader to new hardware drivers (since it's extremely unlikely that WM7 will support the Qualcomm MSM series considering the rumored WM 6.5.x and WM 7 coexistance scheme, where only 6.5 supports lower end devices and hardware like the MSM series).
I'm not saying I don't want WM 7 on the Rhodium, since I really do, but I am trying to be realistic here, so I'm gonna say it's likely no to WM 7 on the Pro2.

one guy from htc russia announced WM7 minimal requirements: 8Gb onboard, CPU1GHz,FM, 5Mpx,compass,G-sensor,3,6",WVGA.
but of course its not true

My Universal (2005) came with wm5!
Then upgraded to wm6, then to wm6.1 and I got it working with wm6.5
I´m sure the great chefs here will manage something so we can have wm7 for sure!