My apologies if I'm posting in the wrong area...
SO, I recently aquired an SX66 and am deciding on the 2003se Tmo rom, or WM6.5 (or whatever.
I can't find a concise answer: why do I want WM6.5?
What does it do that 2003se doesn't do, or why is it better?
Is it stable?
What are the major drawbacks to using WM6.5 on my BA?
Are there problems with going back to 2003se?
And what are the chances of bricking my device, provided I follow the instructions correctly?
AND what is (are) the most common mistake(s) that will brick my device when upgrading to 6.5 (besides cutting power/usb in process)?
I know some or all of the answers to these questions are out there (I've been looking), but it would be nice to have an idiot's single post to refer to for the most basic questions/answers.
TIA!
Hi,
if I were you I would never put WM 6.5 on your BA, I don't like 6.5. I would stay 6.0 or 6.1.
But WM 6 Has more compatibility with programs and has more functionality.
I don't know if its stable, because I cant get it on my BA( I have Ran WM 6/ 6.1/6.5 on a Kaiser).
Further someone else will awnser I think
Why not on your BA (do you have a ph20b?)?
im not sure about your taste in operating systems but i'm a XP loving vistahater.
wm6.5 is vista merged with OSX for your 5 year old phone. I flashed one of my BAs with it last night. it was horrible. speed wise, i about threw the phone against the wall. GUI wise? No more start menu, no more programs menu, no more settings menu. it's all been replaced with that ohsowonderful honeycomb gui. sure, it MAY be better for fingers, not that the old style was that hard, but christ almighty it makes doing anything hairpull-hard.
shortversion:
go with wm2003 or wm5. i find they're faster. i prefer 2003, since it runs all in RAM.
as for your brick question, i aint too sure. i'd like to know how exactly you brick one of these meself. i can't find anything on it, the documentation of the BA is surprisngly lacking for most of this.
I like the new builds of 6.5 with the big bottom bar, but it is so much less functional. I would definitely go with something besides 6.5, although in my experience I found it faster than any other version of winmo. I have had a few lockups, but mostly just with the comm manager/internet.
its hard to judge its fastness since its so..hard to navigate. i can't even read the icons, let alone try and use it.
microsoft trying to copy apple does not produce good results, methinks.
and hte new homescreen irks me. its usability is horrible, its better on blueangel but on the hermes it was just bad.
I still use WM2003 because:
1. The device is designed for this OS.
2. I don't have needless time to spent for OS experiments.
3. I like small and fast Office versions like the old Word and Excel Mobile.
4. I like the build in encryption in Excel Mobile.
5. I don't like the soft keys (>= WM5), because they replace more usable and faster menus.
6. All applications I need run under WM2003.
I'll change my OS when I change my device (currently hoping for the HTC Thoth.).
You guys are great.
To be hones, I hate M$ (no flaming, please) and have been running Ubuntu Linux for about the last year. I especially hate Vista.
I also appriciate the insight into the feel of the WM6.5 os. I don't care about newest, latest, or greatest. I want "works great", so it looks like I'll be sticking with the Tmo 2003se rom.
Thanks ya'll.
..why not install linux then? i got linux working on mine. i cant seem to interface witht he actual phone though. perhaps thats tonights project.
interesting thing to play with though.
interestingfellow said:
You guys are great.
To be hones, I hate M$ (no flaming, please) and have been running Ubuntu Linux for about the last year. I especially hate Vista.
I also appriciate the insight into the feel of the WM6.5 os. I don't care about newest, latest, or greatest. I want "works great", so it looks like I'll be sticking with the Tmo 2003se rom.
Thanks ya'll.
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I also tried Linux on my BA. It's wonderful and plenty of possibilities but ... only possibilities because the hardware is not open and people needs to hack this device.
I don't want to buy anymore a device that needs the work of some guys like xplode working hard to get these devices running properly.
I don't want to spend thousands of hours getting my 500 Eur. mobile connected to wifi. And when I ask the carrier he says me that they have no plans to solve the problem, so I solved myself the problem (thnks a lot, xda-developers).
No, no and nooo. So I decided to stay with my BA in Windows 2003se wwe and wait ...
-Hum: HTC blackstone. Very nice but Windows. No more Windows, please.
-Hum: Neo Freerunner. Open but no future.
-Hum: Iphone. Very nice. Very closed. No, thanks.
-Hum: HTC Dream. Linux but hiddenly closed Android on top capturing my traffic. NOoo.
-Hum: Palm pre. Linux but WebOS in the same way that Android or Iphone. No, thanks.
-Hum: Nokia's N900. Linux debian. Open. May be this is my phone. I will wait a couple of months to see your opinions.
Regards,
Àngel
Why WM 6.5?
because sooner or later, it will have more compatibility than the old OS.
more compatible with the new apps, games, tools, hardware like gps, a2dp support,wifi type N,and many more.
maybe today WM 6.5 maybe still craps, have a lot of bugs,etc, but newer OS is designed to be better from the previous one, it's just about time whether m$ can make it better or just make another mistake like vista..we'll see
that isnt entirely relevant to the blueangel though.
yeah. wm6.5 is the new wmstandard, so new hardware will have drivers for it and not for the others.
but we're not talking new hardware here. we're talking a device built in 2004 for wm2003, there is no new hardware for it. as for new appz and gamezzzz, wm6.5 is mostly a new interface from what ive gathered. the OS core isnt changed to the point of changing older APIs. programs should work both ways.
and sooner or later? its supposed to be replaced in a year. methinks nobody is going to jump on the bandwagon that fast.
pointis, its bad. unless you like the new interface, its no different. except slower.
I flashed on the newest tmo uk rom for 2003se, and I'm happy with it. I"m used to the 2003/se OS, and all the progs I know about and have a copy of, work on it.
Linux seems like a great idea, but I don't have time to spend getting it right.
I might try WM5 or 6/6.5 after I get my hands on the universal that's on it's way, but I need my phone to work, and work well, right now.
..i hate you. the universal needs to drop a few hundred bucks in price so i can grab 3 of them. it seems like a nicephone, i want it. damnit.
if you want i can DD my linux SDcard and upload the image. just dd it to a sd, pop it in and run haret. methinks it should work. actually im going to do that.
it was quick, feel free to better clean up the article but i have created a quickstart guide using my image for linux on hte BA.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueAngel_Linux
i'm tired and fizzled out, so anyone feel free to rewrite it to more easily understandability.
Kind of off topic, but the linux for the BA is ran off an sd card? Kind of like a live cd that doesn't touch the roms and storage(s); just pop out the sd and soft reset, and everything is back to WM? I would totally advertise that aspect of it... it might get more people into linux for the HTC devices (or maybe I just caught up to the bandwagon)
of course. thats how all linux is ran on htc phones from my knowedlge, i havent heard of anyone actually replacing WM with it.
If its any help
Is it stable?
Yes both 6.1 and 6.5 is stable enough.
I tried every rom and tested throughly and decided to stick to Sun Dreams 6.1 as it is very stable
What are the major drawbacks to using WM6.5 on my BA?
None
Are there problems with going back to 2003se?
Nope, as long as you dont repart you ll be ok to go back to 2003 (someone pls correct If I am wrong) But I dont think you would wanna go back to 2003se as most of the todays apps designed to run on wm5 and later
And what are the chances of bricking my device, provided I follow the instructions correctly?
Slim
Make sure no ones using the microwave washing machine and the dishwasher whilst they are hoovering you ll be fine. Just read the instructions over and over till you are ok with it. Patience and make sure both batteries device/laptop whatever charged up and Use XP as it makes things easy.
AND what is (are) the most common mistake(s) that will brick my device when upgrading to 6.5 (besides cutting power/usb in process)?
make sure you have the right rom !!! you ll be fine
I know some or all of the answers to these questions are out there (I've been looking), but it would be nice to have an idiot's single post to refer to for the most basic questions/answers.
I remember my first time I was totally scared !!!
i wasnt scared.
i was more scared when i realized i had a flash going on my harrier and had just popped out the battery. bricked to ****.
and 2003 is better than them. faster. and **** appcompatibility. OS speed matters more.
Yeah, there are no linux or android flashable roms... yet, but in regard to reasons to upgrade
1.smooth flick (or kinetic) scrolling basically everywhere in the operated system
2.some built in app are updated i.e. internet explorer, contacts app
3.compatibilility with newer programs, alot of newer programs wont run on 2003
4.new today screen with bigger font and new plugins
If any1 would like to add feel free to do so.
Related
I have been reading up on the upgrades to blue angel and WM5. For some reason it does not give me a lot of confidence in taking the risk of upgrading the system.
I use the PDA for absolutely everything and dont want it to be a paper weight once im done with the upgrading.
Anyone else have this fear? Did you take the plunge to install it? Did everything work as normal?
Currently TOMTOM 5.1 is the most important software that I use on it. Although, the phone is equally important.
Oh by the way, anyone want tomtom 5.1, let me know, ill hook you up.
Hi
The WM2003->WM2005 and WM2005->WM2003 migration of 100% safe if you follow instructions carefully.
The current best WM2005 for BlueAgel is TuMa 1.3
It's excellent work, but still buggy (and much slower than WM2003).
I flashed to WM2005 and back several times (testing newest WM2005 relases).
I learned that some nice features of WM2005 are not worth all the disadvantages. It's getting better, but just not yet.
Have fun.
yeah, the wm5 is slower than a bit but have more features on it, look nicer...if you're satisfy with your old rom, just keep it then
I've used both versions of WM2005 (Himalaya port an Wizard port) and I just find it too slow when compared to WM2003SE. The BT on WM2005 was terrible which is a main reason I keep to 2003.
I think I can settle with the more "boring" look of 2003 for the sake of reliability.
Hi All,
I see a lot of people testing this and that, and everyday we seem to have 10000 new roms with extra functionalities, which is a great thing, but makes a little bit skeptical.
I have installed a wm6 rom some time ago, so far no bigger problems with it, the question that i want to make and i am sure that someone has already thought of this, is it really worth to upgrade to wm6?
Is wm6 more stable that wm5?
Is wm6 faster than wm5?
Is the software so much better?
What is your opinion guys?
Thanks!!
GO WM6.
998 solved bugs as said by Microsoft. This should be the first reason.
After that you have new graphics, powerful outlook which supports attachments and html messages and last but not last you can use touch flo or the hew htc home plug
998 solved bugs and 1000 introduced bugs?
imho, no it's not really worth upgrading
no it's not more stable
it might be slightly faster, but i can't tell
software aren't better, in fact, using same software may induce bugs that you don't see with WM5...
Touch flo don't work well with trinity
htc home plug is good. Does look really cool I have to say, and is probably the only reason why I'm still using WM6...
Once again, I stress that these are purely my experience, I've really only tried each WM6 rom for a week before it piss me off too much that i have to go back to WM5...
Well maybe I need a different rom for Wm6 ... I cant use no internet application unless im connected to my computer . Well some work thru wifi but others dead . And even the instant messengers dont work. I installed tmobiles oz and it only works if im plugged into my machine via activesync .. Im looking for a differnt rom and then ill update you folks . Oh the rom im using ... XDA Mobile 6.0.0
This is the reason why i question this upgrade.
I know its a super job all the cookers have done so far, but the overall use of the wm6 is still a little bit overrated.
I see a lot of people missing this and that, and while its true that wm6 fixed some bugs, its also true that it introduced some, while other are due to our rom cooking attempts.
to be honest i have not seen anything so must have for wm6, better office is a nice thing, but i have seen it already somewhere the install cabs, so one point down.
Touch flo? I have seen better implementations when this iPhone crazy mania was around. and we only had wm5 at the time.
lmbranco said:
This is the reason why i question this upgrade.
I know its a super job all the cookers have done so far, but the overall use of the wm6 is still a little bit overrated.
I see a lot of people missing this and that, and while its true that wm6 fixed some bugs, its also true that it introduced some, while other are due to our rom cooking attempts.
to be honest i have not seen anything so must have for wm6, better office is a nice thing, but i have seen it already somewhere the install cabs, so one point down.
Touch flo? I have seen better implementations when this iPhone crazy mania was around. and we only had wm5 at the time.
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HAVE YOU TRIED IT YET ? mAYBE TRYING IT MAY CHANGE YOUR PROSPECTIVE.
OPPS CAPS .. SORRY WAS WORKING AND READING NOT YELLING ... !!!!!
WM6 is only worth it if you have already upgraded (as in, its not worth downgrading to WM5 when you have already made the jump) but I agree with others that WM6 is not really worth upgrading to. A lot of programs dont work properly and they wont for many months as the small software companies (eg. spb) catch up.
WM6 removes the NEW button from the SMS page, and replaces it with DELETE of all things. This sad reality is a metaphor for other idiotic shortcomings which make all the barely noticeable "graphical upgrades" in WM6 even weaker in comparison.
This is really the point of this discussion, its not a question of it looks nicer or has more or less buttons, the real question is if it really brings added bonus to the overall experience.
I am using WM6 for 3 months already, and to be honest, i don't see any real added value in the user experience. I feel that what we really need is some kind of changed ui that makes it all easier for the user to work with the mobile.
TouchFlo has some nice concepts, iPhone also, but i think that something even better can be done by the companies, and wm6 does not do much to help us in this direction.
Do you guys agree or disagree with me?
FuzzMunky said:
WM6 removes the NEW button from the SMS page, and replaces it with DELETE of all things. This sad reality is a metaphor for other idiotic shortcomings which make all the barely noticeable "graphical upgrades" in WM6 even weaker in comparison.
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All true, the thing is if the button would have been a "delete" button in WM5 and previous versions this would have not been a problem.
I think it is great to have new buttons on places you would not expect them, it keeps us from transforming into brainless zombies.
No seriously, I agree, it's annoying. But hey, it's the way it is, and after deleting some sms, I'm getting used to/by it.
Furthermore, I like HTC WM6 (Dopod Australian) with the standard Windows Live today plugin. That alone would be a reason for me to upgrade.
PURESKILLZZZ said:
HAVE YOU TRIED IT YET ? mAYBE TRYING IT MAY CHANGE YOUR PROSPECTIVE.
OPPS CAPS .. SORRY WAS WORKING AND READING NOT YELLING ... !!!!!
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I have tried it, and it even works correctly, however its not a good implementation of a good gui. And we both know its slow and buggy, and it does not work 100% as it should.
I like the way the buttons are shown in Spb Mobile Shell, but i still think that the main tools are not so user friendly and are too much pen dependent.
P.S. No harm done with the caps ;-)
lmbranco said:
I have tried it, and it even works correctly, however its not a good implementation of a good gui. And we both know its slow and buggy, and it does not work 100% as it should.
I like the way the buttons are shown in Spb Mobile Shell, but i still think that the main tools are not so user friendly and are too much pen dependent.
P.S. No harm done with the caps ;-)
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Well it does what it does for a freeware . Now we are working on a better one maybe you can give a hand mate .
The only reason I wanted it was for HTML email.
PGMMA said:
The only reason I wanted it was for HTML email.
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So you have it ... .... So have you found anything to suit you better ?
i cant stick with a rom for more than 2 or 3 days..without getting annoyed with it....am i a jaded rom junkie or is windows just not cuttin it
same here
i actually just flashed back to stock because it's so snappy. within 24 hours i'll probably be on the latest mightyrom 2.1 build again.
I know what you mean ! WM just doesn't seem that good anymore, it's like it stalled at the release of WM6.
I have started to think that this may very well be the last WM (or for that matter Microsoft) product I have anything to do with. Slowly all of my PCs have moved over to Linux and I feel my phone's going to go that way too.
WM7 better be a revolution and not just playing catch up or, in my opinion, WM will die !
Same here on the Microsoft front: although I'd never be seen dead with an iPhone, my brother's 'Hero' Android phone is very tasty and some of the newer Android handsets are powerful little beasties
My PC's used to run Windows but now have Ubuntu quite happily running on them - I can even sync my phone quite happily with SynCE so who needs Windows even if you have a Windows mobile phone?
hero is a nice device...but cant compare with that tiny screen...come to think of it...android on the tp2 screen is prob the only advatage to windows mobile....idnnoo i dnt wanna beat this topic to death tho....
the only rom that suits me for day to day use is josskoss 1.5...and i say that after probably trying ever single rom on this site...and some htcpedia...i am really begining to think im just spoiled by options ha
A dear friend of mine call me a "flashing whore"
But apart from the joke, it is a pleasure to flash every new ROM out!
Is part of maintaining our devices up to date with much better ROM´s than the original ones!
Thanks to XDA and Chefs & Devs is that I remain with WM, if XDA wouldn´t exist WM have died a loong time ago
orb3000
Very true! I must agree...started with the wing..then tilt then g1 and now tp2...I can't imagine how anyone could have ever used the wing as is out of the box..
Honestly, when you reach the point where you spend more time flashing ROM's than actually using your device, I think it's time for one of two things. Either get a Windows phone less flasheable (i.e, most non-HTC models), or move to a different mobile OS.
Lol, I love a fresh flash, and am a bit of a flashing addict myself. I get some pretty bad flashing withdrawl if I'm traveling and can't flash I also have to agree with Orb3000; XDA & its developers are the only things which keep me with Windows Mobile
Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
Maybe next time, punctuation. Maybe next time...
Personally, I'm in the 'Buy a phone for what it can do now, not what I hope it might be able to do in the future' school of thought.
Sure, no WP7 is a disappointment, but if you own an HD2 (as I did for a while), you got what was being promised. For me, it was the lack of a keyboard that made me get a TP2, but the HD2 is still one helluva phone.
No announcement has been made. I'm gonna laugh if the HD2 ends up getting an update.
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
I would be glad to take your HTC HD2 off your hands
The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
RAMMANN said:
The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
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Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
kel16harris said:
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
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It's not so much the lack of an upgrade that's the problem, it's the combination of that plus WP7 being incompatible with Windows Mobile software. That's one thing nobody was predicting a few months ago, and it means that there is no longer any reason for a commercial software company to continue working on any Windows Mobile project - see, for example, Adobe's decision to scrap FlashPlayer on WinMo.
To say "your phone won't get an OS upgrade" is one thing, but to say "your phone won't get an upgrade, and incidentally we also neglected to mention that your phone's current OS would cease to be a viable platform for commercial software about three months after you buy it" is something else.
And it is not by any means certain that there will be custom ROMs based on WP7.
leeuwtjevanjuda said:
Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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alright that finally explains it. Didn't know they got an official WM5 release.
The HTC HD2 is an impressive device even without WP7 As for upgrading it, there will be a debate but, they will chose to release a HD3 instead. Feel free to sign the petition though,lol http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hd2windowsphone7/
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5475&tag=content;col1
I'm quite on the contrary
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
it's so true ....
chassit said:
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
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+1
That’s what comes to my mind when I think Windows Mobile vs. Android
Actually I really don't care if Windows Phone 7 doesn’t get an "official" release for HD2.... Its current state is a "Solid Windows Mobile 6.5 PocketPC" which is exactly what was intended for it to be.
enjoy your little crappy java machine LOL that'll show em.
nucentury08 said:
Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
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"mabey" go to school and learn to spell next time? Just as a suggestion..
For Sale
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
leba837 said:
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
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I PM'd you with my offer
If we have andriod rom ,i will never use WM!
I wanna by an andriod,but ,but ich habe nicht geld.
wm is so damn bad!it will be less and less software to support it,just like palm.
not so sure about it
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
vicai said:
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
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actually all works beside camera..but the devs are working hard...i use android 2.1 a lot...i use windows mobile only to boot android
try a new bulid with new rootfs and zImage and all will be fast
Why did you buy a WM device at all then?
ElCondor said:
Why did you buy a WM device at all then?
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i bought a wm device because is nice having wm...i can do what i want...for example i can boot android,rhobuntu and because i love the diamond...
vicai said:
have you tried android that you can speak so ?
i asure you i DID tried android, and the phone ended up with my wife, as android is still in its baby shoes. toooooo many things to work out to be user more friendly.
the same thing as difference between windows and linux os. i am not saying linux is bad, it is not just for masses. not user friendly, and very small ammount of software (still !) after more than 15 years developing look where windows came, and where linux is ?
i am not saying androind is bad, it is just not developed enough, and it will take long time to reach this level that WM has.
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well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
farukb said:
well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
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exactly my opinion...
farukb said:
well i'm pretty sure you never worked on/with a linux....try ubuntu and you'll never come back to windows (except for some professional applications like 3ds max/autocad).....and for android....even it is younger it kicks wm's ass,totally
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yes, you read my life history! exactly you know what i have done.
so i guess over a year with ubuntu, kubuntu or many other distros is not enough. or maybe unable to make no name scanner work in the office with linux os is not enough .. nooo, must be the smart card reader and el. payment software not working on linux are considering as prof applications
i am talking about basic office use. nothing else. but more the next-next-next-finish use.
for example, make vpn connection with mschap, and header comperssion on windows. it IS next next next finish, on linux ? you have to add 3 modules, and compile the kernel (YES on ubuntu!) .. is THAT user friendly? and that is professional usage ?
you missed my point, i am not saying it is bad, just VERY slowly developing! and on windows everything much easier to do.
but then again, we are not talking about linux and windows, it is wm and android, yes simmilar, but then, why dont you get android phone, and not force it on diamond, someone nicely said "everything is working except .. " yes, kicking ass full time
for me is working good...i hardly ever use camera..and i find a lot easier doing thing in android..
I agree, WM is much more user friendly than Android as of current situation. I know Android is good looking than windows but at some places even I have experienced that it could do much better. I guess it'll take some time. Even WM wasn't perfect at start... it took time to develop into something so user friendly.
Droid sux big time
I've just tried the HTC Incredible (kind of the better version of Desire). Such a waste to put Android on that great device...
Although fast overall, the interface is sluggish at times and confusing. It was so easy to screw around and get to a totally different page/app that what I wanted. But maybe that's because it takes time to get used to it.
However, the most horrible thing was trying to watch a video on it... even a dumb Youtube video looks awfully pixelated and it was struggling to get what looked like 15-20 fps.
After all, how many of you saw a proper video player written in java?
I powered down my beloved Diamond friend for 2 years three weeks ago and booted up into Android on a brand new Desire.
It reminded me of old times with Nokia 6xxx phones, how responsive and simple to use they were. I gave this up on WinMo and got used to fairly temperamental MS system, with its random delays in answering phone calls or dialing contacts.
But with Android that Nokia responsiveness is back, it just flies as if it was designed in Finland.
When acquiring Desire I was ready to give up on some of the functionality that was readily available on WinMo 6.5 but to my surprise I had to make very few consessions. There is actually quite a lot of new features/capabilities specific to Android, which I found really great.
I use my phone mainly for work, utilize most of the communication features frequently and can confess that Android powered Desire definitively lowered my blood pressure. It is dependable, great workhorse with hopefully bright future.
So concluding this little switch over account I am glad that we have a choice now and that smart phones can be made into well working communicators and wish that Microsoft got the WinMo 7 right, the more competition there is the better for us.
Although knowing Redmond I do not pin my hopes too high eventhough I know from internal sources that they are in a sheer state of panic over the mounting losses in WinMo marketshare.
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i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...
surfboardcm said:
i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...
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if you would like to use camera, dont use android camera is still not working in either of androids...
gps: i found good xdandroid 2.1, but a bit slow
the myns warn donut (1.6) is pretty good, fast, and reliable (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=674358&page=1)
surfboardcm said:
i have a diamond, and a want to try the android rom, can you tell me want diamond functions don't work on android? i most use the phone, the gps, the camera, and the pdf, exel reader.
thank you...
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call works,gps works,camera doesn't work and for pdf and excel i think you have to download something in the market
HELICOPTER88 said:
for me is working good...i hardly ever use camera..and i find a lot easier doing thing in android..
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Which version are you using?? Any link?
Regards
cescof said:
Which version are you using?? Any link?
Regards
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i'm using latest xdandroid bulid you can find it in the raphael android forum
this android version is really fast and great! Will there be a fix for the battery issue any time soon?
da robat said:
this android version is really fast and great! Will there be a fix for the battery issue any time soon?
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i think yes...i remember when in november i was trying android 1.6...wi-fi wasn't working..the system was slow and the battery last for 1 hour...and now we have all working except from camera and the battery lasts for 12 hour without wi-fi...the devs are doing a marvellous work
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I have no idea why the HTC guys do not make the android for all HTC models, so we could choose which to use. only thing I know is, that god damn Windows sucks not only on my PC it also sucks in my mobile too. I've tried Xandroid but it warms up my processor and nothing works properly, I hope the guys that did hard job will fix all that problems, or I'll buy nokia again. Symbian is much easier to use than that stupid WM