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[Q]Was it worth waiting for the official GingerBread?

Hi there,
I was just wondering... Are there any noticeable benefits from the official GingerBread release? Or is it too early to tell?
I can see that baadnewz has already released some new versions of his roms (and I'm definitely gonna try them) But I'd like to know is there some improvement to be expected, or is it more like: "Nah! We've already cracked it all before"?
Cheers!

No noticable benefits, as this "Official GB" is nearly same as the old leaked one.
There will be some noticable benefits when HTC will release kernel source code.

Vilq85 said:
more like: "Nah! We've already cracked it all before"?
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Pretty much says it all from my perspective.
I've actually not even installed the update and probably won't, given all the posts i have read today of people unable to revert due to new HBoot etc.
I am more than happy with the Sense2.1+3.0 ROM I have now and was never really concerned with if/when the update would come...
Short answer: No, probably not.

Updated to stock GB for Desire. Now struggling to root the device.

omanand said:
Updated to stock GB for Desire. Now struggling to root the device.
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It's impossible to root official Gb now. Which makes me hesitant to update.
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For me, yes.
My phone runs faster and I love the new app2sd.
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Any chance we'll see a newer version of sense with the official 2.3 update?

Does any one think we'll see it? I don't think we will.
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If/when the update comes, I'm sure it'll just be sense 1.0. I seriously doubt HTC or Verizon are interested in giving us extra features on a 1.5 year old device, they'd much rather we upgrade.
Not to mention, the leaked GB update was sense 1.0, which I'm assuming would be a decent indication of what we'll see.

it is possible that we could see 2.1 with elements of 3.0 but it is not likely most likely it will be 1.0.

I would be expecting something a lot like a Z rom personally.

loonatik78 said:
I would be expecting something a lot like a Z rom personally.
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After all the excitement over in the Thunderbolt forum, you had to come see us huh? Ha ha

Very unlikely. The Desire guys over in the UK are getting a dumbed down version of sense 1.0. If we even get Gingersense, we'll get 1.0 most likely.
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Zalatorisaurus said:
Very unlikely. The Desire guys over in the UK are getting a dumbed down version of sense 1.0. If we even get Gingersense, we'll get 1.0 most likely.
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Yeah but the Desire has a lot less storage than the Incredible. That is why they got a "dumbed" down version of sense right? It's still very unlikely though since the Evo didn't get a newer version of sense.
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cvbcbcmv said:
I don't think we'll get gingerbread, but anyways. I don't think it will have sense 2.1 (if we get an update to sense, that's what we'd get) Mainly because they just aren't gonna bother with that. It's a rather old device, and a lot of the people who bought it are now already or coming up for an upgrade. The problem isn't our phone can't handle it. our phone can handle sense 3.0 well. But don't even think about getting that. The sense 2.1 roms are considered the lower sense roms that perform so well, it would actually probably overall perform better. Hell for an example, they put 2.1 on the wildfire s, go look at it's specs and tell me our phone couldn't run it stock. I'm just saying, we won't get it, even though we easily could.
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I think we'll get gingerbread just not an upgrade to sense. Even though, like you said, our device could easily run it.
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I couldn't care less if it was 1.0 as long as its something Gingy. Gives me something to do. Not to brag but it would be nice if we could atleast get something close to how my Rom is. Or newts 2.1.
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Why would they? Then you have no reason to upgrade your phone. Root you phone and do it yourself, there are plenty of good/stable sense 3.0 GB roms available

I was waiting too thinking it was coming out soon.
Got sick of waiting and rooted, now I know rooting was a damn good choice. Have alot of options.
UnrEVOked.
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Even if we only get Sense 1.0, the kernel from HTC will give the devs something to work with.
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as i said in the last thread, we, will not be seeing GB on the dinc any time soon, the phone was EOL'd in march, and if they give us that then we have no official reason to upgrade. Verizon, as a buisiness, does this to get people to buy newer phones, they tried it with the continuum, however that got froyo thanks to inmuts down in legacy playing around with the fascinate kernal.
i am on buisiness gingersense 3.0, not a very big fan of 3.0, but i LOOOVE the 3.0 lockscreen. (i can turn on the phone and get right to making a quick phonecall or snapping a pic if i need too)

Kiboe said:
as i said in the last thread, we, will not be seeing GB on the dinc any time soon
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I don't know where you're getting this from. I'm not saying otherwise, I'm just saying that unless you're on HTC's dev team or have some inside knowledge on Verizon's update schedule, it's all speculation.

I really couldn't care less. I'm fine running roms, and it's nice to change it up every once in a while. My upgrade isn't till June anyway(February with early upgrade)

dmeadows013 said:
I really couldn't care less. I'm fine running roms, and it's nice to change it up every once in a while. My upgrade isn't till June anyway(February with early upgrade)
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It's nice for dev's to work on the official updates rather than leaks/ports, though.

True, although I use the gingersense leak for my roms and it is smooth as butter.

I doubt we see anything more than 1.0, but its not really an issue with all the ports out now. Would be curious to see if a dev can take the update and load 2.1/3.0 items into it though.

Samsung or Google OTA updates???

Hey guys.
I have a Gnex and I don't have the latest firmware. Its 4.0.2 and my friend has 4.0.3. Strange. Someone told me there is a Samsung updated nexus and a Google updated nexus. I got this phone specifically for the Google experience and knowing I get updates well, as soon as they come out. So what the go Google? Haha.
Anyone know what the go is here?
Thanks.

4.0.2 is the latest OTA firmware. Your friend has a custom ROM if he's got anything higher.
If you're curious, download this simple app: https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
This app tells you "where" your OTAs are coming from. It should be noted that Samsung ones will only be a couple weeks behind the Google ones, so it depends how worried about it you are (most people worry too much). Either way you'll always be up to date and won't be left behind for having a non yakju build.
That being said, if you want to go to pure yakju from yakju**, it is extremely easy. There are bundles of guides and videos showing you how to accomplish this. Just read up on it first, please.

Thanks heaps for your reply. = )
Argh ok. But he hasn't touched his phone he said at all, he's pretty android savvy so I'm a little confused. As in no rooting just pure stock nexus rom.
So you can make your phone "Google" if its "Samsung"??
Well that's good news, if you decide to do so. = )

Sorry.... A really noob question but I'm guessing yakju is Google's stock rom? Just haven't heard that before. Haha.
Thanks.

Yep, yakju is the stock Google image

martonikaj said:
4.0.2 is the latest OTA firmware. Your friend has a custom ROM if he's got anything higher.
If you're curious, download this simple app: https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
This app tells you "where" your OTAs are coming from. It should be noted that Samsung ones will only be a couple weeks behind the Google ones, so it depends how worried about it you are (most people worry too much). Either way you'll always be up to date and won't be left behind for having a non yakju build.
That being said, if you want to go to pure yakju from yakju**, it is extremely easy. There are bundles of guides and videos showing you how to accomplish this. Just read up on it first, please.
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I used that app and it says the product name of my device is "mysid".
I don't recall seeing this anywhere else. Says that my phone is updated by Google with the approval of Verizon, but where did this name come from?
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mysid is the LTE branch of ICS from Google.

Helmet321 said:
Thanks heaps for your reply. = )
Argh ok. But he hasn't touched his phone he said at all, he's pretty android savvy so I'm a little confused. As in no rooting just pure stock nexus rom.
So you can make your phone "Google" if its "Samsung"??
Well that's good news, if you decide to do so. = )
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He is also a pretty savvy liar if you believe him

adrynalyne said:
mysid is the LTE branch of ICS from Google.
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Thanks. Now I'm not as ignorant.
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Jmurph3 said:
Thanks. Now I'm not as ignorant.
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Yes sorry. Yakju vs yakju** refers to the GSM models.

Oh ok cool. I'll test that out ASAP. I couldn't find the app on the MP last I searched. Maybe have to DL it onto my PC first then throw it on the phone.
I spoke to my friend the other day and he indeed has only 4.0.2.
I thought it was a little strange. He had it before me though, that's what had me confused.

Helmet321 said:
I spoke to my friend the other day and he indeed has only 4.0.2.
I thought it was a little strange. He had it before me though, that's what had me confused.
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Even if you both have the same model phone with the same software in the same location, you don't necessarily both get the OTA at the same time. Its always a staggered roll-out.

martonikaj said:
Even if you both have the same model phone with the same software in the same location, you don't necessarily both get the OTA at the same time. Its always a staggered roll-out.
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Ohhhh I see. Fair enough.
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martonikaj said:
4.0.2 is the latest OTA firmware. Your friend has a custom ROM if he's got anything higher.
If you're curious, download this simple app: https://market.android.com/details?id=de.cbruegg.officialupdate
This app tells you "where" your OTAs are coming from. It should be noted that Samsung ones will only be a couple weeks behind the Google ones, so it depends how worried about it you are (most people worry too much). Either way you'll always be up to date and won't be left behind for having a non yakju build.
That being said, if you want to go to pure yakju from yakju**, it is extremely easy. There are bundles of guides and videos showing you how to accomplish this. Just read up on it first, please.
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I found the app, and mine is Samsung. = ( Not stoked...
I have a speaker poping issue that almost everyone has but it couldn't be from this could it? I mean its just the update path, same phone, software, hardware and when the updates do arrive, there identical right?
A quick one aswell, is there a specific way to get it Google? Could I be a pain and ask for a little direction? Sorry! There's just so many, as you said.
Thank you!!

Helmet321 said:
I have a speaker poping issue that almost everyone has but it couldn't be from this could it? I mean its just the update path, same phone, software, hardware and when the updates do arrive, there identical right?
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The updates are slightly slightly different. No one has really figured it out but the idea is that there wouldn't be separate regional versions if they were the exact same. Some of the differences are simply different radios.
A quick one aswell, is there a specific way to get it Google? Could I be a pain and ask for a little direction? Sorry! There's just so many, as you said.
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I used this guide, it will walk you through it. All of the guides are pretty similar. Honestly the biggest hassle is getting working drivers to have the phone properly recognized by the computer. I spent 50min getting drivers to work and 5min actually flashing it.
The basic premise is downloading all of the stock images, recovery, radio, etc. from Google then flashing them all appropriately.
I suggest you read up on this first and decide if its what you want to do before you go with it. Understand your risks and rewards. I'll tell you up front that this process 100% wipes your device (as you'd expect it would).

Hey,
Thanks for all that man, its all becoming well, a little clearer. = )
What about the poping issue? Do you think its relevant? I have another thread on this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490335
So it is sort of a bit of an unlock / root isn't it? Haha.

Helmet321 said:
Hey,
Thanks for all that man, its all becoming well, a little clearer. = )
What about the poping issue? Do you think its relevant? I have another thread on this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490335
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I have no idea if it's software or hardware related, sorry.
So it is sort of a bit of an unlock / root isn't it? Haha.
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No rooting. Just unlock and flash all of the stock images. If you ever intend to root again then don't relock the bootloader when you're done. Unlocking wipes the device and you won't wanna deal with that again just for deciding to root.

Oh OK. I see.
Thanks for your time and patience man, much appreciated.
I may wait until there's a big reason to do so. I really hope they roll it into one, that would be a smart decision in my opinion anyway. Haha.
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Anyone else coming here daily hoping for ANY Verizon update info?

It's getting a little sad that there is still no credible rumors on an official update for Verizon Nexus Owners. The 4.04 update to GSM owners may have caused some issues for them and Google jumped on it and fixed in a few weeks. Would love for Verizon/Google to show us a little love too.

Nope I already have 4.0.4, and have a ton of customization options that I wouldn't have with stock.

I've been here since December waiting for some bug fixes. Makes me sad really.

Its not on Google, this falls on Samsung/Verizon and their proprietary blobs or whatever the heck you call them, lol
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Nope. I come for the comedy of threads like this.
good day.

Verizon is the holdup, not Google. The only upside is that the firmware for the VZW version will probably not be prone to some of the same problems the GSM version has had due to the extra testing.
It's equally frustrating for VZW Xoom owners. The WiFi-only Xoom got ICS in January. The VZW Xoom is still on Honeycomb. Apparently Google finished the ICS build for it a while ago but Verizon hasn't finished testing because it isn't a priority device for them.
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Yes, I visit this forum and a few others to try to get info on the Verizon update. My phone suffers from the audio reboot/one-way audio issue and it's extremely frustrating. I know I can root and flash but I choose to leave my device stock. It's a toss-up as I'd rather wait to have the update properly tested, but the phone part of my phone is almost useless.

Nope. I've been running IMM76D since day one of release. I will be running IMM76I in the next day or so as well, if I get off my butt.

Lucky Armpit said:
Yes, I visit this forum and a few others to try to get info on the Verizon update. My phone suffers from the audio reboot/one-way audio issue and it's extremely frustrating. I know I can root and flash but I choose to leave my device stock. It's a toss-up as I'd rather wait to have the update properly tested, but the phone part of my phone is almost useless.
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I've always taken a proactive approach to Android phones. I don't look at it as how bug free it is stock, but rather what I need to do to fix it and be happy.
And I am a happy owner.

cordell12 said:
Its not on Google, this falls on Samsung/Verizon and their proprietary blobs or whatever the heck you call them, lol
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Wrong. Google updates the Verizon Galaxy Nexus...it's just that updates have to be approved by Verizon first. Simple as that.

what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...

blowtorch said:
what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...
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I prefer stock myself because I don't like the "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality of custom ROMs. I like the "less is more" mentality. Plus, stock ROMs may not have quite the performance of a custom, but stock ROMs generally work better as daily drivers because they're more stable. In addition, kernels are a touchy subject for me as well. I sort-of have trust issues with developers writing kernel tweaks for hardware of which they have no documentation. Only OEMs truly know what a device's hardware is capable of and what its limitations are.
I also keep my stock ROM unrooted because root access doesn't really give me any functionality that I'm interested in. I'd basically root because I can, and that's not really very appealing. *shrug*
Different strokes for different folks.

blowtorch said:
what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...
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I'm waiting for a rom AND radio update the truly fixes some of the big items. I've been reading on the radios and as far as I've read there isn't a true fix on the radio (voice and data) yet for Verizon CDMA phones.

boe said:
I'm waiting for a rom AND radio update the truly fixes some of the big items. I've been reading on the radios and as far as I've read there isn't a true fix on the radio (voice and data) yet for Verizon CDMA phones.
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The I515.LA02 radio that comes with the 4.0.4/IMM30B OTA is excellent. Improved my radio noticeably.

boe said:
It's getting a little sad that there is still no credible rumors on an official update for Verizon Nexus Owners. The 4.04 update to GSM owners may have caused some issues for them and Google jumped on it and fixed in a few weeks. Would love for Verizon/Google to show us a little love too.
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Yes, I prefer stock myself to, however... one of the main reasons I got the Nexus was for "timely" updates.
4 months is not timely when the rest of the world has an android version newer than my "flagship" device!!! I finally got fed up with Verizon's phone support/approval process so I unlocked/rooted/flashed AOKP and franco kernel.
I've never looked back.

oldblue910 said:
I prefer stock myself because I don't like the "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality of custom ROMs. I like the "less is more" mentality. Plus, stock ROMs may not have quite the performance of a custom, but stock ROMs generally work better as daily drivers because they're more stable. In addition, kernels are a touchy subject for me as well. I sort-of have trust issues with developers writing kernel tweaks for hardware of which they have no documentation. Only OEMs truly know what a device's hardware is capable of and what its limitations are.
I also keep my stock ROM unrooted because root access doesn't really give me any functionality that I'm interested in. I'd basically root because I can, and that's not really very appealing. *shrug*
Different strokes for different folks.
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Why don't you try a custom ROM first? There are many that are awesome
"daily drivers." I am running Gummy 1.0.1 and it is freaking incredible! The stability is better than stock and you can't tell a difference from stock if you don't change anything in the Gummy settings. Instead of having trust issues with developers, give them a shot and try some of the stuff out.

oldblue910 said:
I prefer stock myself because I don't like the "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality of custom ROMs. I like the "less is more" mentality. Plus, stock ROMs may not have quite the performance of a custom, but stock ROMs generally work better as daily drivers because they're more stable. In addition, kernels are a touchy subject for me as well. I sort-of have trust issues with developers writing kernel tweaks for hardware of which they have no documentation. Only OEMs truly know what a device's hardware is capable of and what its limitations are.
I also keep my stock ROM unrooted because root access doesn't really give me any functionality that I'm interested in. I'd basically root because I can, and that's not really very appealing. *shrug*
Different strokes for different folks.
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Cyanogenmod 9 has been stable for months now as they have been focusing on it as a main priority. Not to mention obvious extra features that they have been adding once they have been deemed stable. I use GLaDOS kernel and easily get 3x the battery life and way faster than any stock rom's kernel. Custom kernels like GLaDOS and Lean Kernel never had the "signal drop" issue with 4.0.4 because they patched it in their kernels a along time ago.
Root doesn't add any functionality that you are interested in? Have you heard of LBE Privacy Guard? https://play.google.com/store/apps/...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5sYmUuc2VjdXJpdHkubGl0ZSJd
Dev's only improve on stock as far as i am concerned. I donate and support devs because of the enhancements that they make in making this phone better. You are not getting all you can out of your phone if you're on stock ...
like you said to each his own ...

The tools are available for the latest update. If you don't want to take it into your own hands then you really can't complain about it if you're unwilling to fix it yourself.
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blowtorch said:
what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...
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Yes, I am waiting for OTAs. Modifying my primary means of communication scares the crap out me, espeically with the chance of making it a $300 paperweight. I understand that tens of thousands of people modify their Android devices every day without issue, and the risk of bricking is extremely low. However, there is still a risk and due to that, I choose to wait. The reward does not outweigh the risk for me.

I just gotta say this. THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO INSTALL A CUSTOM ROM. NONE. ZERO.
Why do you think android is open source? The arguments against rooting/unlocking and installing a custom rom are laughable. If you run stock, and complain about not being on the cutting edge, you have to realize that this is YOUR choice.
AOKP M5 will be JUST AS STABLE as stock, but with better performance, battery life, customization, etc.
If you are still on 4.0.2/4.0.3 you have nobody to blame buy yourself.
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Lucky Armpit said:
Yes, I am waiting for OTAs. Modifying my primary means of communication scares the crap out me, espeically with the chance of making it a $300 paperweight. I understand that tens of thousands of people modify their Android devices every day without issue, and the risk of bricking is extremely low. However, there is still a risk and due to that, I choose to wait. The reward does not outweigh the risk for me.
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If you use the toolkits to root/unlock, and flash custom roms, the risk of bricking your phone is 0%. This is assuming that your phone is not a lemon.
There is NO risk to rooting/flashing custom roms, ZERO. Even if you did something stupid like pull your battery while flashing something, you can ALWAYS restore.

Kitkat GS3 at&t confirmed

Proof: http://1drv.ms/OJ2Bgr
PS: Read it all:good::good:

Håvi said:
Proof: http://1drv.ms/OJ2Bgr
PS: Read it all:good::good:
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That's already known.. the problem is them keeping the release date (or estimated release date), tight-lipped.

DazTip said:
That's already known.. the problem is them keeping the release date (or estimated release date), tight-lipped.
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Thats just to be sure if it will come:good:

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Thats just to be sure if it will come:good:
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Yeah because it would be the first time they didn't follow through with what they said...

Hopeful
As much as I hope it is released for our phones, a single person who does live chats all day may not be the most rock-solid source. Any number of things could turn out to have happened, from misreading an information sheet before giving you said information to her being just plain wrong.
Thank you for posting this though, it is important that up to date information like that is made public. Its just that I'm not sure if one representative saying it is on its way is a complete confirmation.
Does anyone know how reliable these live chats usually are?

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As much as I hope it is released for our phones, a single person who does live chats all day may not be the most rock-solid source. Any number of things could turn out to have happened, from misreading an information sheet before giving you said information to her being just plain wrong.
Thank you for posting this though, it is important that up to date information like that is made public. Its just that I'm not sure if one representative saying it is on its way is a complete confirmation.
Does anyone know how reliable these live chats usually are?
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Not very reliable in this case since they are not allowed to give too much information out to the public. I posted a thread after I talked to one of Samsung's live representatives and they told me that the update would come in a matter of weeks. You can check my thread out if you want.

internethuman said:
Not very reliable in this case since they are not allowed to give too much information out to the public. I posted a thread after I talked to one of Samsung's live representatives and they told me that the update would come in a matter of weeks. You can check my thread out if you want.
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Ah yes I found that thread. Well if it was more than just one confirmation that adds too the legitimacy :good: I don't want to get my hopes up but its looking good!

I'd love for this to be true. I'm holding off on updating to a custom rom in case they push KitKat and it doesn't work after using the stock restore posted.
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My post on the rumor thread
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I was talking with AT&T repair regarding my phone freezing when switching from portrait to landscape since the 4.3 OTA and they told me they were not aware of a fix coming out for this, but that 4.4 will probably come out in a couple months and it may replace whatever is causing the problem. When I went to the Samsung Experience center to let them force the OTA onto my phone again to see if that would fix the issue, that tech said the same thing about 4.4 coming out, but he thought my freeze issue is hardware related.
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AT&T official statement or it didn't happen !

From Official Samsung
Not sure if this is only US versions but this is a list of devices from the official website
www "DOT" samsung "DOT" com/us/support/faq/FAQ00059206/82024/EFC-1G6FFEGSTA[/url] :good:

Deonta23 said:
Not sure if this is only US versions but this is a list of devices from the official website
www "DOT" samsung "DOT" com/us/support/faq/FAQ00059206/82024/EFC-1G6FFEGSTA[/url] :good:
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I just went to change my sim card to one with secure element, and ask guy at At&t store ( is said "manager" on his name tag) about kitkat for S3. He answer
We don't have any specific date, but I heard it should be at mid May.
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Make sense since S5 will be release in April so they can bust sell of S5 before they let us have it KitKat on S3.

Can anyone explain what would be the advantage of an official kk rollout from AT&T?
At this point in time AOSP kk roms are fully functional, no need to hang with an ugly fat chick like touchwiz haha
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I've been using kk with pwncake's Quantum ROM for so long now, that I'm not very inclined to go back to touchwiz either. It's just too late.
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Until there's an official update rolled out, I won't believe it

sgloki77 said:
Can anyone explain what would be the advantage of an official kk rollout from AT&T?
At this point in time AOSP kk roms are fully functional, no need to hang with an ugly fat chick like touchwiz haha
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Kit Kat does bring down memory usage, so if you use or want some of the S applications and features that Touchwiz has, you should see better performance due to released memory.
Theoretically that is, I've been on CM11 nightlies for awhile now.

Some cant work with non stock roms...

sgloki77 said:
Can anyone explain what would be the advantage of an official kk rollout from AT&T?
At this point in time AOSP kk roms are fully functional, no need to hang with an ugly fat chick like touchwiz haha
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xhozt said:
Some cant work with non stock roms...
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Or, like me, simply do prefer them over AOSP ROMs
Anyway, Xposed now fills the gap of what's missing in most cases

Deonta23 said:
Not sure if this is only US versions but this is a list of devices from the official website
www "DOT" samsung "DOT" com/us/support/faq/FAQ00059206/82024/EFC-1G6FFEGSTA[/url] :good:
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There you go !
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00059206/82024/EFC-1G6FFEGSTA

Thats nice
Its not really important since most stock TouchWiz roms are total ****, especially those from samsung.