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Cyanogenmod Security changes

http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/security-and-you
An interesting change, I'd say...

Care to give those of us to lazy to read this, the readers digest version?
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mauricehall said:
Care to give those of us to lazy to read this, the readers digest version?
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CM9 will come with root access turned off (from the rom) by default. There is a new option so that you can turn root on be it for
Disabled,
Enabled for ADB only
Enabled for Apps only
Enabled for both.
That's all this really is.

Root is taken out of the builds for security purposes. You can enable root through adb.
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CharlyDigital said:
Root is taken out of the builds for security purposes. You can enable root through adb.
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You CAN enable ADB root using ADB which almost seems like a security flaw ADB root access is off by default as well.
But from what I have read ADB will not be required to set this. It just has to be changed by the user from the development options.

I have been wondering about this for a looooooong time. When we root our devices we are voluntarily opening up the biggest hole possible. I'm glad to see it addressed in such a practical manner.

Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.

kthejoker20 said:
Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
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....maybe it's just the devices you've owned?
Ask someone with an OG droid, or someone with an Evo, or a Hero, or a GSM Samsung Anything....Hell, CM7 is fantastic on my Nook Color....Cm9 is too, though--I don't remember--I think It's a kang....
The only issue I've had has been with CDMA Samsung handsets...
EDIT: I guess what I mean to say is, there is so much to support that unless you have one of the heavily supported (or easily supported) devices then the fact that it boots up and works at all should be impressive enough.....On all the above mentioned devices I had a nearly flawless experience far preferable to stock....and even with the CM7 kangs (though I haven't tried the CM9s yet). I'm not so sure we'll ever get official support at this rate, though I'm not convinced that's a death sentence. Bubby's Cm7 was working nearly flawlessly for me, aside from a scant few mildly irritating bugs....

kthejoker20 said:
Cyanogen sucks now.
They sucked ever after CM6, they just can't get anything out anymore.
They just can get anything developed anymore.
Very disappointing. Thier roms were awesome, but i think he lost his touch.
I honestly can't figure out why they have so much invested, website, hosting and all, and just can't put out a functioning rom anymore.
They are just kanged left and right now to get roms developed, since they never get around to doing anything.
AOKP is the new Cyan. They rock.
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I saw nightlies left and right on my OG Evo and though the E4GT may not get official CM7 support, We'll surely get offical CM9.
They couldn't get much done for a while because they were using older servers that couldn't keep up. Now they have nightlies going on the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Xoom, Asus Transformer, Asus Transformer Prime, and the HP Touchpad.
I'm sure we'll get nightlies soon enough and you'll be seeing official functioning ROM's everywhere.
We already have functional CM9.
What is AOKP built on anyway?

Ophois said:
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/security-and-you
An interesting change, I'd say...
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I think they're trying to go mainstream, maybe OEMs will start putting CM on their phones instead of their own skins. It would be a huge selling point.

phatmanxxl said:
maybe OEMs will start putting CM on their phones instead of their own skins. It would be a huge selling point.
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Problem is the root is still easily accessible. You would see them providing rooting methods for their own software before you saw that. The carriers would also want nothing to do with it. The manufacturer still has the concern of warranty while the carriers have the concern of tethering etc. Carriers likely would never reject an entire manufacturers line, they will always have to cave to some things they do not like.
Though selling unlocked devices with CM much as PC manufacturers will sell hardware with alternative operating systems isn't outrageous. As for the concern of warranty and software caused damage. Routers for example have set a precedent in the support of custom firmware while maintaining warranty. There is plenty of unbricking support in routers. Though providing accessible jtag interfaces in devices that would be sold both retail and unlocked would probably be interesting. Thats just a need in a worst case scenario though not required.
They do seem to be moving in that direction for whatever intent or purpose.

[Q] Why A Nexus? Advantages of an OPEN DEVICE??

Hi guys, I have been on this forums for quite a while even though I don't own a Nexus myself. I have been browsing through the development section every day and looking at all the ROMs etc..
I know that everything is open on the Nexus, all the sources, drivers, etc. I know that the advantages of having a Nexus is stock experience, with faster updates directly from Google. But what is the advantage of having an open phone as a user? I don't find much difference between the ROMs for Galaxy S II and the ROMs for the Galaxy Nexus. In fact the Siyah kernel, i think, has many many more features than the most popular kernel on this forums, the Franco kernel.
I am not trying to spark up anything over here. I just want to know what is the benefit of having such an open phone?

Difference between being in a wheelchair in a jail cell, even a jail cell with a window and open field sunny day with your legs running however fast you can. Its like that.
let it be.

@rbiter said:
Difference between being in a wheelchair in a jail cell, even a jail cell with a window and open field sunny day with your legs running however fast you can. Its like that.
let it be.
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I would think that, but I can't see that translating to development. I mean, I must be blind to not be able to see the differences, but I really can't. I don't see any major improvements in the ROMs on the Galaxy Nexus

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I know that the advantages of having a Nexus is stock experience, with faster updates directly from Google.
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You answered your own question.

I already had 2 not Nexus Samsung phones and I will never make this mistake again. The lack of updates, the crappy skin that tries to look as the iPhone, etc.
In my experience, the builds from Google are much more stable, fast and reliable. And nothing in TouchWiz add anything that matters to me. To me Android is Nexus, I dont think I will build anything that is not Nexus again (but I really hope that HTC build the next one, I love the build quality of their phones).

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You answered your own question.
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Haha, that wasn't my question. I am not asking why the Nexus is a better device. I am asking how does opening up the sources and drivers improve on the development...

darkgoon3r96 said:
I would think that, but I can't see that translating to development. I mean, I must be blind to not be able to see the differences, but I really can't. I don't see any major improvements in the ROMs on the Galaxy Nexus
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Sorry man, but in my opinion the stock ICS on the GNexus is miles ahead of any build from the SII.

martonikaj said:
You answered your own question.
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The difference is some stuff on aosp
Roms still don't work on galaxy s2 but everything works on aosp roms on nexus because it's open and drivers and everything is available...
bottom line aokp cm9 etc will give u a better user experience on nexus fewer bugs
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darkgoon3r96 said:
Haha, that wasn't my question. I am not asking why the Nexus is a better device. I am asking how does opening up the sources and drivers improve on the development...
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Because your Galaxy Nexus comes with stock ICS out of the box. Sorry, but a custom ROM will never be as smooth and nice as the native out of the box OS.

juliano_q said:
Sorry man, but in my opinion the stock ICS on the GNexus is miles ahead of any build from the SII.
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I still don't get why you guys think the Stock is so much better than AOKP? I mean, isn't that very similar to stock?

OK, let me see if I can answer it. I'm not a developer, so take it with a grain of salt.
The phone I had before this was the Samsung Captivate. I bought it August 2010. At the time, it was one of the more advanced phones on the market. However, within about an hour of using it, I realized that the AT&T bloatware was a problem. Though the device had a lot of memory available, the app drawer was harder to navigate because of 15 different AT&T apps on the phone, most of which charged a monthly fee to do what Google's equivalent apps did for free. So, I had to root it.
Things were fine for a couple weeks, but then I noticed that there were several apps that I couldn't download because everyone was on Froyo and I was stuck on Eclair. There was no word when either samsung or AT&T was going to provide me with an update, so I had to take matters into my own hands and get a ROM from someone else. I'm not saying the devs didn't do a good job, but they were hamstrung by both AT&T and Sammy who were not giving them the tools they needed to do the job right the first time.
I should also point out that a lot of these problems were caused by AT&T's insistence that they have their own version of the Galaxy S that was different from everyone else's. Thankfully, all the carriers learned from that mistake.
Over the course of a year and 8 months, I tried at least a dozen different ROMs on my phone to either try to keep up with the changes in the market, or just to keep it from freezing. Even stock Gingerbread had problems, likely because it was rushed out. I finally found a stable build in a ROM that used ICS (ironically, ported from the GNex). So that meant, if not for the great work of Team ICSSGS, my Captivate would NEVER have been a stable phone. All those commercials about being a smartphone beta tester seemed to be designed with the Captivate in mind.
The point of all this: When it came time for me to get a new phone, I was considering waiting for the GSIII, but then Google offered the GNex off contract for $400, a not unreasonable price for the hardware at all, but what I was really paying for was getting off the treadmill. Now granted, at this point I've only had the phone for about a week, but it performs every function I need it to, and AT&T has no say in it. Samsung only had a say in the hardware. And that's how it should be, and honestly why I think Apple had such a marketing edge for such a long time. Apple told AT&T exactly where they can shove their customizations, and now we have Google doing the same, but not publicizing it enough.
TL;DR: Google experience and faster updates. But those are more valuable than you think.

darkgoon3r96 said:
I still don't get why you guys think the Stock is so much better than AOKP? I mean, isn't that very similar to stock?
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You just answered yourself... great roms/builds like aokp would not be possible without the Android Open Source Project. Even after saying that the quality on aosp devices running aokp like the gnex and ns are miles ahead of say the sensation or something along those lines due to the very face the the nexus phones have open source readily available.
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The open let's you literally change ans re-code any part of the device you want. A touch wiz phone cannot do this cause the code is closed.
Custom roms on other devices are not the same though you may think they are. Most of the time something doesn't work cause it relies on a closed touch wiz framework function that has to be reverse engineered or hacked, or usually never works at all..
You need the kernel source code to really make any legit custom rom, and often have to wait months foe it to be released.
With an open device, you literally can implement anything your imagination can cone up with. No bugs or work a rounds.

In my opinion, there are two major differences:
1. On a Nexus device, you are guaranteed a large developer community. The SGSII may have a large developer community, but that's because it's pretty much of the most popular phones. If you buy something like the Samsung Galaxy Infuse (which several of my friends have) then you won't have nearly as big a developer community as the one for the Galaxy Nexus.
2. It's much much easier to root/customize/flash a Nexus device than any other device. All you need is "fastboot oem unlock" and the phone opens up for you. No need for bootloader downgrading/rooting exploits/HTCDev/manufacturer restrictions. This phone is designed to be a developer device. Also, when you screw up a Nexus, it is much easier to solve problems. Phone not booting? Use CWM. Recovery borked? Fastboot. Fastboot not working? ODIN flash. Lots of fail-safes.

Thanks a lot guys for taking the time just to help me out

I got my gnex last wednesday. No regrets at all, it's an amazing phone. My next phone will definitely be another nexus.

Advantage of having a Nexus?
It is like Burger King, you can have it your own way.

No CM13 for LG G3 d850???

Isnt ATT usually the first to get it? Why are we last all sudden?

No maintainer so it won't get approved for nightlies. CM requires someone with development knowledge and who owns the device to keep it properly updated before it will accept them into nightlies
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That said there are builds out there. I've been running the following build for a week or so and it's absolutely wonderful. Better than any LP ROM I've even tried.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/cm13-lg-g3-test-builds-t3245744

Here are 2 location to get CM13 unofficially for the D850:
https://ci.galliumos.org/job/cm13/device=d850,jdk=OpenJDK7,label=android/
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=44671
It's been running well on mine. The biggest issue has been no functioning GPS.

kimocal said:
Here are 2 location to get CM13 unofficially for the D850:
https://ci.galliumos.org/job/cm13/device=d850,jdk=OpenJDK7,label=android/
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=44671
It's been running well on mine. The biggest issue has been no functioning GPS.
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I'm running the second build and it is good so far, except for the odd random reboot or I'll have to pull the battery.

Wow no GPS = no ingress or maps. Pulling the battery might as well be cm12.1

Cuzz1369 said:
No maintainer so it won't get approved for nightlies. CM requires someone with development knowledge and who owns the device to keep it properly updated before it will accept them into nightlies
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OK so why are there 12.1 nightlies? Where did those devs go? Why do att users always get screwed over?

lolwatpear said:
OK so why are there 12.1 nightlies? Where did those devs go? Why do att users always get screwed over?
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You know some people get new phones, some people get a life. Some people get sick of hearing crap like this.

Cuzz1369 said:
You know some people get new phones, some people get a life. Some people get sick of hearing crap like this.
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AMEN! "Users getting screwed over by devs not doing stuff for free any more". Sigh.

roirraW "edor" ehT said:
AMEN! "Users getting screwed over by devs not doing stuff for free any more". Sigh.
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I didn't say it, so I can't comment on the intention of the comment, but I would have taken it as meaning that we constantly get screwed over by AT&T and device manufacturers like LG, both of which are true. We (I anyway) are very thankful for the devs who give us awesome things like CM and other assorted roms and kernels and whatnot - we love you guys. I've had other LG flagships for which AT&T and LG dropped support way earlier than expected, and earlier than other carriers' variants. In some cases they have even promised a certain level of future support then decided later to end development early without comment.
It gets old - we like our LG phones for a lot of reasons, but AT&T and T-Mobile users often get screwed so we have to depend on independent devs. Either we move on to another phone, stick with an old OS or base, or someone creates something awesome. We love the dev community and hope they stay interested, but if they lose interest what are we supposed to do, pay them full-time salaries to port CM 13? That just isn't possible without a lot of organization and large scale funding. If you don't want to develop, don't. You certainly have a right to get frustrated, as do we. So again, I don't know the intent of the original comment, but try not to take it personally, and please don't assume that most users and consumers have any animosity for devs, because we don't - we are amazed by what you all do. If it is glory and being showered with money and praise you seek, you're probably in the wrong field, but thanks for your contributions anyway.

emepher said:
I didn't say it, so I can't comment on the intention of the comment, but I would have taken it as meaning that we constantly get screwed over by AT&T and device manufacturers like LG, both of which are true. We (I anyway) are very thankful for the devs who give us awesome things like CM and other assorted roms and kernels and whatnot - we love you guys. I've had other LG flagships for which AT&T and LG dropped support way earlier than expected, and earlier than other carriers' variants. In some cases they have even promised a certain level of future support then decided later to end development early without comment.
It gets old - we like our LG phones for a lot of reasons, but AT&T and T-Mobile users often get screwed so we have to depend on independent devs. Either we move on to another phone, stick with an old OS or base, or someone creates something awesome. We love the dev community and hope they stay interested, but if they lose interest what are we supposed to do, pay them full-time salaries to port CM 13? That just isn't possible without a lot of organization and large scale funding. If you don't want to develop, don't. You certainly have a right to get frustrated, as do we. So again, I don't know the intent of the original comment, but try not to take it personally, and please don't assume that most users and consumers have any animosity for devs, because we don't - we are amazed by what you all do. If it is glory and being showered with money and praise you seek, you're probably in the wrong field, but thanks for your contributions anyway.
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Thanks. Yes, that's what I meant. ATT is the reason why devs don't have ATT phones, even ones that are very open to development. They must not see a point in developing for a device with less already-established devs and less users.
As for my previous questions, I legitimately wanted to know where the devs who had just worked on 12.1 cm went. I just didn't know how the nightlies worked.

Updates for CM13.0 d850 here
Some UNOFFICIAL CyanogenMod CM 13.0 (AOSP Marshmallow 6.0.1) ROM images for d850 are here. I've been building them for about a month and posting an update every couple of days. I hope to continue posting semi-daily updates until somebody at CyanogenMod starts maintaining a d850 nightly.

wseverin said:
Some UNOFFICIAL CyanogenMod CM 13.0 (AOSP Marshmallow 6.0.1) ROM images for d850 are here. I've been building them for about a month and posting an update every couple of days. I hope to continue posting semi-daily updates until somebody at CyanogenMod starts maintaining a d850 nightly.
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I've been running your 20160305 for the past couple days and it's been very stable. Thanks for sharing your nightlies.

does GPS works with the latest cm13 nightly?

Has anyone tried running the official cm13 build from T-mobile G3? The only difference I'm aware of is WiFi calling.

appsmarsterx said:
does GPS works with the latest cm13 nightly?
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everything should be working.
I used gps google maps to nav on a car drive recently, just fine, no issue

there is already CM13 for D850
http://subefotos.com/ver/?034b03d64343e75988549fff7cd5a5f2o.jpg

undivide said:
everything should be working.
I used gps google maps to nav on a car drive recently, just fine, no issue
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What made you go back to stock? (I'm assuming your signature is up-to-date)

deathbytalkshow said:
What made you go back to stock? (I'm assuming your signature is up-to-date)
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yeah, I went back to stock because it was getting harder to find a good working build of cm and I was getting tired of flashing daily so I went to weekly flash and I got tired of that so I did a revert and took all the updates OTA thru at&t to get up to 6.0
I wanted to be able to use android pay whenever I need to.
For a stock base, LG really has everything I need but I still overlay nova prime launcher to clean things up a bit. Its little things like not having to worry about whether or not an app is going to load or crash the entire system. Also not having to worry if a reboot or shut down is going to lock my phone and require a battery pull, which I have not had to do once since going to stock.
In the event that I do go to sell the phone off it generally is more desirable to have stock OS.
Oh also, my wife got a new galaxy s7 so we can do VoLTE calling now =-)
This might be my imagination but the cell tower service seems more consistent with at&t stock os.
Have no need for root and no need for kernels or any of cm's little oddities.
Sometimes I think the maintainers change things in the rom just for the sake of changing something, whether its necessary or not and without regard for whether it might wreck havoc on the entire system stability

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yeah, I went back to stock because it was getting harder to find a good working build of cm and I was getting tired of flashing daily so I went to weekly flash and I got tired of that so I did a revert and took all the updates OTA thru at&t to get up to 6.0
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I'm on Cricket so it won't let me OTA to 6.0 unless I have an active AT&T SIM. I'm hoping someone at a Cricket store has one lying around that I can borrow. But I get what you mean. Whenever there was a nightly I liked that gave me no problems, I stuck to it like glue I actually gave CM13 a try for a while, today, and it was like butter. But the one thing that don't like losing from LG stock is the "content lock" in the gallery. I haven't seen a 3rd party app that encrypts and locks them down like LG; others just hide it with .nomedia or their app is bulky or they convert it but can't recover images anymore.
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Root exploit

Has anyone else noticed that root is taking longer and longer to drop? I remember note 3 & 4, root dropped before the phone was put up for sale. I think they phone manufacturers and carriers are making it harder and harder to crack bootloaders. It is sad. We pay hundreds of dollars for a device and it really is not yours. They will tell you what they want and don't want you to do with your device.
Solution...... (yes I am dreaming and understand people will not band together)
We all need to stop upgrading and getting new devices. Hit them in the pocketbook. They WILL change their policies.
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That strategy will never work with such a popular device. There's too few people who are interested in this. The only thing that would work here is legislation.

It's the nature of Android. Not only are devices more secure, but there's fewer and fewer people who desire to root phones these days. Those that do, have mostly moved over to dev-friendly phones like Nexus, Pixel, OnePlus, etc.

There is already a few private exploits for the s8/s8+ but i doubt they will be released

No more than 10% of Android user even know what root is. Manufacturers could care less if you decide not to buy because of lack of root.

since we can flash un-branded firmware on our devices now, i honestly have no desire to root anymore. The only thing i wish is that somehow get the Wi-fi calling and volte to work with the unbranded firmware.

darthmalus said:
since we can flash un-branded firmware on our devices now, i honestly have no desire to root anymore. The only thing i wish is that somehow get the Wi-fi calling and volte to work with the unbranded firmware.
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I totally agree. With the unlocked firmware and all the themes in the theme store I have no need to root either. Half of the modifications people make for rooted devices are not exactly stable and will cause all sorts of instabilities with the os anyway. I've been rooting all my devices since the galaxy note, galaxy s days. I find it more useful to actually keep all my data on my device instead of flashing and reflashing all the time lol. ?
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That's the reason I gave up on Samsung,need root MagnumOpus, Titanium, ROM and kernel mod etc. Google Pixel XL 2.... Come to butthead
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llawen said:
Has anyone else noticed that root is taking longer and longer to drop? I remember note 3 & 4, root dropped before the phone was put up for sale. I think they phone manufacturers and carriers are making it harder and harder to crack bootloaders. It is sad. We pay hundreds of dollars for a device and it really is not yours. They will tell you what they want and don't want you to do with your device.
Solution...... (yes I am dreaming and understand people will not band together)
We all need to stop upgrading and getting new devices. Hit them in the pocketbook. They WILL change their policies.
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The majority of users don't know what rooting or a bootloader is, so those of us who like to root our phones, unlock the booatloader, use custom ROMs, etc are a very small percentage of the Android user base. As the software has developed, the reasons some individuals ran custom ROMs has been addressed, and those of us who were once diehard modders have slowly lost interest. I know back in my older Android days (LG G2, Galaxy Note 4, etc) I refused to use a device that wasn't running on a custom ROM. Today, I couldn't care less because the issues that drove me to rooting my device and using custom ROMs are no longer there. If I do get the itch to play around with custom ROMs, I can just buy a Nexus or Pixel device to play around with and my itch is satisfied.
The majority of the user base is your typical user who just wants to use the device. Most users care more about features over modability. And once you try out a few ROMs, it's a vicious cycle. I never had a stable device back in my Android KitKat days because I was swapping ROMs every other day. Part of the reason I intentionally buy devices where the bootloader cannot be unlocked, because I know I'll find myself in that same situation again. So just buying a second device and using that as my play-around device, and using my flashy Galaxy S8+ as my main driver is the best solution for me.

The best reason for no root in my opinion is awesome security. I'm happy to see there is no root just yet. Families who use this phone for bills, money trade, etc. need a solid secure phone. On the other hand if your not using this phone for financial data, than it really does suck. It sucks because of the limitations of theming.
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I've been rooting for many years. Met a bunch of awesome devs and remained friends with them. I can actually say rooting your device has became a thing of the past. Past few phones I've had I didn't root. Just seems like rooting now causes to many problems which is mentioned up above. It's not stable enough to count on when it's way to buggy. Not saying anything about the devs we have today but the devs even back in the day still had bugs. Just seems staying unrooted is the way to go for more stable unbuggy rom to catch an upgrade for more fixes which are stable and add on's.
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Eh, this is the first phone I've had in the past few years that I didn't feel like I needed to root. My previous phone was a Nexus 6p - while pure android and fast security updates was a definite plus, it just didn't have a lot of little features that I liked: theming, close Recents button at the bottom, stuff like that. And I never really felt that the custom kernels provided much better battery life than the stock kernel, which is the only reason that I flashed them in the first place. I'm pretty happy with the customization features present in Samsung's version of android, so I'm fine staying as is. Just being able to change carrier firmwares is enough for me.

This is also the first phone I haven't rooted on day one since the T-Mobile G1. In addition to the Samsung theme store there is now Substratum for Samsung available of which I am currently using Swift Black from the Play Store. Also on XDA there is a thread where you can use layers on your S8 or S8+. In addition to all of the customization the battery life is better than my rooted Nexus 6, best battery life of any phone I've ever had.

root has been achieved, developers are working the package:
Announced by @BotsOne
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=73336318&postcount=1235

The root package hasn't been released yet has it?

GDane1 said:
The root package hasn't been released yet has it?
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Root has been released for our phones it's a lot of steps but follow everything as it says in the op and you will be fine I rooted first try
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...root-g955u-g955u1-snapdragon-sampwnd-t3658911

This is the first phone since the T-Mobile G1 that I haven't rooted on day one. I feel that there is no need for root on the S8+, we have the Samsung Theme Store and even better we now have Substratum on an unrooted S8+ plus quite a few layer to use for customization.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/substratum/7-0-substratum-sex-tw-beta-t3620796
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/themes/substratum-inversion-ui-overlay-overlays-t3604341

I wouldn't buy a phone that I can't install Viper4android and Ti on it.
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True. Security is incremental: little by little security gets better & better building on previous security features. Root is nice, also true. Bootloader unlock would be awesome for development of custom roms/kernels, etc. Here's to hoping!

Nonsense!
I agree with one of you, we should look for dev friendly device.
But it will be so much pain if you face tons of unfriendly bloatware, overheat device and lag even with 4 or 6gb RAM. No matter what root still essential factor to develop friendly firmware.

Updates

Since it is an Android One phone (with the promise of timely updates and security patches), I am curious that I'm still on an October update and not November's, which is now almost over. Anyone else?

Same here, hopefully delayed this once because of Pie update, but first Nokia so not sure about their track record

I am pondering to get this new device, but I see there is no XDA support yet for mods or roms
How do you feel about it?

I got the phone from work, but as a flashaholic I wouldn't go Nokia, search a bit Bootloader unlock I think only one of their device has it. If custom ROM and root is your thing check another brand

phaleg said:
I am pondering to get this new device, but I see there is no XDA support yet for mods or roms
How do you feel about it?
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Yeah.. I wouldn't expect any action here for custom ROMs. I've been a frequent flasher in the past, but as I looked for a new device, I found myself asking why. Frankly, security updates are more important to me at this point, and there really isn't anything I do that requires root.
This is also my only device, so I use it for work all the time, and custom ROMS always seem to have lingering issues with the basics.

I used to flash ROM on my Nexus devices, now on Nexus 5x I am on stock.
For my future device, if there is also XDA support is better, but it not a so important condition.
Maybe slightly offtopic, but how do you feel with this device at all?
Do you like the way it is stock?
I am mostly interested to battery duration, network and if photos are great

I would imagine that given Thanksgiving it's delayed until the end of the month.

fatesealer said:
I would imagine that given Thanksgiving it's delayed until the end of the month.
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I don't really see why thanksgiving would affect the Devs/release, most of their R&D is in China, some in Finland, where it's not a big thing