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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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We can always wish, but it has never been that way for any other device, so why would it change now?
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I feel the same way.
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Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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That would be fantastic. Even if it said this month - update coming in June - that would be better than me hoping I might find a rumor that might seem credible. Then I'd know where to get genuine news relating to my device on MY carrier.
I am a looong time nexus user and I dont wish this anymore because I know it wont happend. Google works this way.
The only more or less "sure" thing is that when they say that it will be released in a couple of week is because it is already deployed in most employees devices for a long test and it will in fact be released in 2-3 weeks.
Google works this way because they don't have a ETA for when things are complete.
That's like saying telling CyanogenMod that you want more communication between them and the users so that they can post a timeline on when RC1/RC2 will be complete etc.
Things are just done when they're done.
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Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
As others have mentioned, expecting any sort of ETA is completely unreasonable.
But honestly, this whole upgrade experience has been pretty underwhelming for two reasons: lack of communication and very slow speed. The volume bug -- a completely show-stopping bug -- took two weeks for a fix. I highly doubt it would take Apple that long to issue a software fix for such a serious bug. Sorry to bring Apple into the discussion, but it's true.
Not to mention that it's taken Google FIVE months to get NFC to be fully functional...
At the end of the day, having relatively quick updates of stock Android will probably keep me with Nexus devices, but an advertised and guaranteed monthly status update? That would be a killer USP. The silence between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4 was absolutely terrible.
boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Agreed. Also with Google (or the manufacturer doing updates) it has to be approved by the carrier UNLESS you're using the GSM model of Galaxy Nexus which is independent of any carrier.
This is from a news article I read yesterday,
“HTC has delivered a ROM to us however it is still having issues the reason that other sensation types have the update without issue and ours did not come out that way is because every ROM must be adapted to the hardware of the device because we use a different radio than other providers and also have applications such as wifi calling it also has to be compatible with those. What the HTC rep told you is most likely correct because once a ROM is delivered we have 2 weeks to test it and then approve it or send it back they then have 4 weeks to fix the bugs and return it back to us, where we are exactly in that process I do not know but that is how a ROM is delivered to the customer.
The original ROM was not delivered to us in November, we started testing it just recently but I think it has been longer than 2 weeks so at this point HTC most likely has the ball.
You bought a phone and it has been announced that you are getting ICS you have every right to know what’s going on with it and when you can see these awesome features. I did go into a lot of detail about how a ROM gets to the end user (you guys) but that wasn’t to point fingers only so you would have a better understanding of why you don’t have it yet, the bottom line is the Sensation has T-Mobile’s and HTC’s name all over it and both companies want to make you proud to be a Sensation owner so we are working as fast as we can to deliver it but also want to make sure that it stands up to your expectations.”
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tl;dr it says that, the ROM that HTC made didn't meet T-Mobile's expectations and has to be fixed by HTC... then sent to T-Mobile to test the ROM equalizing MORE delay
I know OP has Verizon, but that's kind of your fault for using Verizon. We all know how it is when it comes to Verizon and keeping a tight control over their phones. I personally don't consider Galaxy Nexus (LTE) to be a "Nexus" device. It comes bloated with VZW apps, Verizon has to approve the update by Google, Factory images are no longer uploaded, etc.
Kind of off-topic but I'd love to see the idea of Google buying T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom (owners of T-Mobile USA) then we would never have to worry about carriers trying to keep a tight grip on their phones. Not to mention then tight integration between Google services such as Google Voice would be tightly integrated between the carrier and Google services. Just a dream of mines.
Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
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But I'm not asking for an eta or timeline. Just something like "here's what we're doing this month, or even this quarter."
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Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Ah, my bad
I'm gonna guess the OTA will come with the white 16 gig version on April 5th, and that the white Gnexs will come with 4.0.5 loaded. Just a hunch. The rumors have been early April, so on Thursday or that weekend is my guess.
Well, I don't know about everyone else, but my "fake" Nexus has had 4.0.4 for a long time now. I've seen 2 updates since I bought my Nexus (fairly early after release). Not EVERY update comes via OTA. The Nexus line has ALWAYS been like this. At any rate, my 3 month old "fake and unsupported" Nexus has already seen more updates than my Vibrant ever did.
As far as GSM users complaining over updates, shut up. Your phones didn't need the updates that Google implemented for the CDMA version. I don't want fixes for a phone that isn't mine. I don't want Google releasing something that isn't ready. Radio issues are up to Samsung and the carrier, not Google. Stop whining about Google. Stop thinking Google is the hold up. Google isn't the hold up. Samsung is the hold up. If you have a CDMA version, blame Samsung and Verizon. If you're GSM, place the blame where it largely belongs, on Samsung.
For some reason 80% of people on this forum seem to think that Nexus means that you get an update every month or something like that. Like we should be on 4.1.7 by now or something like that. It's the most insanely retarded community I think I've ever seen in my life.
As a member of the choir and a Verizon customer for12 years
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Keep preaching.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Verizon is a less-desirable carrier for me. Just sayin'.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
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and since when do you know about iphone updates before release? Apple is the most secretive tech company ever. They only comment on issues when they get really out of hand and media goes all over it (like the recent address book privacy issues or the better known antennagate).
iOS does have private betas though, which is kinda the equivalent of aosp for android in terms of release schedules. aosp 4.0.4 >>> 8 months >>> oem 4.0.4 updates
It's getting a little sad that there is still no credible rumors on an official update for Verizon Nexus Owners. The 4.04 update to GSM owners may have caused some issues for them and Google jumped on it and fixed in a few weeks. Would love for Verizon/Google to show us a little love too.
Nope I already have 4.0.4, and have a ton of customization options that I wouldn't have with stock.
I've been here since December waiting for some bug fixes. Makes me sad really.
Its not on Google, this falls on Samsung/Verizon and their proprietary blobs or whatever the heck you call them, lol
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Nope. I come for the comedy of threads like this.
good day.
Verizon is the holdup, not Google. The only upside is that the firmware for the VZW version will probably not be prone to some of the same problems the GSM version has had due to the extra testing.
It's equally frustrating for VZW Xoom owners. The WiFi-only Xoom got ICS in January. The VZW Xoom is still on Honeycomb. Apparently Google finished the ICS build for it a while ago but Verizon hasn't finished testing because it isn't a priority device for them.
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Yes, I visit this forum and a few others to try to get info on the Verizon update. My phone suffers from the audio reboot/one-way audio issue and it's extremely frustrating. I know I can root and flash but I choose to leave my device stock. It's a toss-up as I'd rather wait to have the update properly tested, but the phone part of my phone is almost useless.
Nope. I've been running IMM76D since day one of release. I will be running IMM76I in the next day or so as well, if I get off my butt.
Lucky Armpit said:
Yes, I visit this forum and a few others to try to get info on the Verizon update. My phone suffers from the audio reboot/one-way audio issue and it's extremely frustrating. I know I can root and flash but I choose to leave my device stock. It's a toss-up as I'd rather wait to have the update properly tested, but the phone part of my phone is almost useless.
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I've always taken a proactive approach to Android phones. I don't look at it as how bug free it is stock, but rather what I need to do to fix it and be happy.
And I am a happy owner.
cordell12 said:
Its not on Google, this falls on Samsung/Verizon and their proprietary blobs or whatever the heck you call them, lol
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Wrong. Google updates the Verizon Galaxy Nexus...it's just that updates have to be approved by Verizon first. Simple as that.
what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...
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what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...
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I prefer stock myself because I don't like the "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality of custom ROMs. I like the "less is more" mentality. Plus, stock ROMs may not have quite the performance of a custom, but stock ROMs generally work better as daily drivers because they're more stable. In addition, kernels are a touchy subject for me as well. I sort-of have trust issues with developers writing kernel tweaks for hardware of which they have no documentation. Only OEMs truly know what a device's hardware is capable of and what its limitations are.
I also keep my stock ROM unrooted because root access doesn't really give me any functionality that I'm interested in. I'd basically root because I can, and that's not really very appealing. *shrug*
Different strokes for different folks.
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what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...
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I'm waiting for a rom AND radio update the truly fixes some of the big items. I've been reading on the radios and as far as I've read there isn't a true fix on the radio (voice and data) yet for Verizon CDMA phones.
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I'm waiting for a rom AND radio update the truly fixes some of the big items. I've been reading on the radios and as far as I've read there isn't a true fix on the radio (voice and data) yet for Verizon CDMA phones.
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The I515.LA02 radio that comes with the 4.0.4/IMM30B OTA is excellent. Improved my radio noticeably.
boe said:
It's getting a little sad that there is still no credible rumors on an official update for Verizon Nexus Owners. The 4.04 update to GSM owners may have caused some issues for them and Google jumped on it and fixed in a few weeks. Would love for Verizon/Google to show us a little love too.
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Yes, I prefer stock myself to, however... one of the main reasons I got the Nexus was for "timely" updates.
4 months is not timely when the rest of the world has an android version newer than my "flagship" device!!! I finally got fed up with Verizon's phone support/approval process so I unlocked/rooted/flashed AOKP and franco kernel.
I've never looked back.
oldblue910 said:
I prefer stock myself because I don't like the "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality of custom ROMs. I like the "less is more" mentality. Plus, stock ROMs may not have quite the performance of a custom, but stock ROMs generally work better as daily drivers because they're more stable. In addition, kernels are a touchy subject for me as well. I sort-of have trust issues with developers writing kernel tweaks for hardware of which they have no documentation. Only OEMs truly know what a device's hardware is capable of and what its limitations are.
I also keep my stock ROM unrooted because root access doesn't really give me any functionality that I'm interested in. I'd basically root because I can, and that's not really very appealing. *shrug*
Different strokes for different folks.
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Why don't you try a custom ROM first? There are many that are awesome
"daily drivers." I am running Gummy 1.0.1 and it is freaking incredible! The stability is better than stock and you can't tell a difference from stock if you don't change anything in the Gummy settings. Instead of having trust issues with developers, give them a shot and try some of the stuff out.
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I prefer stock myself because I don't like the "everything AND the kitchen sink" mentality of custom ROMs. I like the "less is more" mentality. Plus, stock ROMs may not have quite the performance of a custom, but stock ROMs generally work better as daily drivers because they're more stable. In addition, kernels are a touchy subject for me as well. I sort-of have trust issues with developers writing kernel tweaks for hardware of which they have no documentation. Only OEMs truly know what a device's hardware is capable of and what its limitations are.
I also keep my stock ROM unrooted because root access doesn't really give me any functionality that I'm interested in. I'd basically root because I can, and that's not really very appealing. *shrug*
Different strokes for different folks.
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Cyanogenmod 9 has been stable for months now as they have been focusing on it as a main priority. Not to mention obvious extra features that they have been adding once they have been deemed stable. I use GLaDOS kernel and easily get 3x the battery life and way faster than any stock rom's kernel. Custom kernels like GLaDOS and Lean Kernel never had the "signal drop" issue with 4.0.4 because they patched it in their kernels a along time ago.
Root doesn't add any functionality that you are interested in? Have you heard of LBE Privacy Guard? https://play.google.com/store/apps/...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5sYmUuc2VjdXJpdHkubGl0ZSJd
Dev's only improve on stock as far as i am concerned. I donate and support devs because of the enhancements that they make in making this phone better. You are not getting all you can out of your phone if you're on stock ...
like you said to each his own ...
The tools are available for the latest update. If you don't want to take it into your own hands then you really can't complain about it if you're unwilling to fix it yourself.
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what are you guys doing? waiting around for stock images and ota's? flash cyanogen and be done with it, you'll be up to date and have more customizations than stock anyway ...
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Yes, I am waiting for OTAs. Modifying my primary means of communication scares the crap out me, espeically with the chance of making it a $300 paperweight. I understand that tens of thousands of people modify their Android devices every day without issue, and the risk of bricking is extremely low. However, there is still a risk and due to that, I choose to wait. The reward does not outweigh the risk for me.
I just gotta say this. THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO INSTALL A CUSTOM ROM. NONE. ZERO.
Why do you think android is open source? The arguments against rooting/unlocking and installing a custom rom are laughable. If you run stock, and complain about not being on the cutting edge, you have to realize that this is YOUR choice.
AOKP M5 will be JUST AS STABLE as stock, but with better performance, battery life, customization, etc.
If you are still on 4.0.2/4.0.3 you have nobody to blame buy yourself.
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Lucky Armpit said:
Yes, I am waiting for OTAs. Modifying my primary means of communication scares the crap out me, espeically with the chance of making it a $300 paperweight. I understand that tens of thousands of people modify their Android devices every day without issue, and the risk of bricking is extremely low. However, there is still a risk and due to that, I choose to wait. The reward does not outweigh the risk for me.
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If you use the toolkits to root/unlock, and flash custom roms, the risk of bricking your phone is 0%. This is assuming that your phone is not a lemon.
There is NO risk to rooting/flashing custom roms, ZERO. Even if you did something stupid like pull your battery while flashing something, you can ALWAYS restore.
I am a completely noob toward LG flagships, I am still in HTC world with M9 but I am very tempted to switch to G4 because I prefer bigger screens.
Until now the roms posted are too stock as I can see, no tweaks or mods, do you think the G4 will get more roms and with tweaks,mods...?
Do you know if custom roms genius devs are gonna work on G4 roms?
Give it time. It's not been out that long.
Yeah, the official unveiling was on April 28, with select few getting the opportunity to try it out for a month. I am waiting for custom roms myself, as I want more customization options than the stock rom & 3rd party launcjers give me.
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As others have stated the phone was only officially announced on the 28th of April.....It is essentially still just a baby.
Not to mention the fact that as it stands there are only a handful of DEVs that have root access. So just give it time, we all know how the game gets played and once the general pop gets hit with the root method then the custom ROMs will flow.
3 months is a long time.
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3 months is a long time.
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It is really not. Sure the phone has been out for a little bit of time now, but for one it is not like our devs managed to all get one on launch day, so you have to consider the fact that in reality we have only been working on it for a short period of time.
Secondly, When you consider the fact that "Plan B" would be to staring down the phone and yelling at it to Root itself......I would say however long it takes for us to get a safe method of gaining Root Access is the exact perfect amount of time for it to take.
I don't know about you, but I would rather wait 3, 4, or even 6 months for something safe and not end up with a $600 paperweight as opposed to rushing it and ending up with just that.
so its sept the 10th, where are the custom roms? note 5 already has roms like wtf!?
Not until a safe way to either bypass locked bootloader or unlock it appears. That is the only obstacle to getting roms, nothing else.
It happened in Oct last year for the G3.
Has anyone else noticed that root is taking longer and longer to drop? I remember note 3 & 4, root dropped before the phone was put up for sale. I think they phone manufacturers and carriers are making it harder and harder to crack bootloaders. It is sad. We pay hundreds of dollars for a device and it really is not yours. They will tell you what they want and don't want you to do with your device.
Solution...... (yes I am dreaming and understand people will not band together)
We all need to stop upgrading and getting new devices. Hit them in the pocketbook. They WILL change their policies.
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That strategy will never work with such a popular device. There's too few people who are interested in this. The only thing that would work here is legislation.
It's the nature of Android. Not only are devices more secure, but there's fewer and fewer people who desire to root phones these days. Those that do, have mostly moved over to dev-friendly phones like Nexus, Pixel, OnePlus, etc.
There is already a few private exploits for the s8/s8+ but i doubt they will be released
No more than 10% of Android user even know what root is. Manufacturers could care less if you decide not to buy because of lack of root.
since we can flash un-branded firmware on our devices now, i honestly have no desire to root anymore. The only thing i wish is that somehow get the Wi-fi calling and volte to work with the unbranded firmware.
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since we can flash un-branded firmware on our devices now, i honestly have no desire to root anymore. The only thing i wish is that somehow get the Wi-fi calling and volte to work with the unbranded firmware.
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I totally agree. With the unlocked firmware and all the themes in the theme store I have no need to root either. Half of the modifications people make for rooted devices are not exactly stable and will cause all sorts of instabilities with the os anyway. I've been rooting all my devices since the galaxy note, galaxy s days. I find it more useful to actually keep all my data on my device instead of flashing and reflashing all the time lol. ?
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That's the reason I gave up on Samsung,need root MagnumOpus, Titanium, ROM and kernel mod etc. Google Pixel XL 2.... Come to butthead
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llawen said:
Has anyone else noticed that root is taking longer and longer to drop? I remember note 3 & 4, root dropped before the phone was put up for sale. I think they phone manufacturers and carriers are making it harder and harder to crack bootloaders. It is sad. We pay hundreds of dollars for a device and it really is not yours. They will tell you what they want and don't want you to do with your device.
Solution...... (yes I am dreaming and understand people will not band together)
We all need to stop upgrading and getting new devices. Hit them in the pocketbook. They WILL change their policies.
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The majority of users don't know what rooting or a bootloader is, so those of us who like to root our phones, unlock the booatloader, use custom ROMs, etc are a very small percentage of the Android user base. As the software has developed, the reasons some individuals ran custom ROMs has been addressed, and those of us who were once diehard modders have slowly lost interest. I know back in my older Android days (LG G2, Galaxy Note 4, etc) I refused to use a device that wasn't running on a custom ROM. Today, I couldn't care less because the issues that drove me to rooting my device and using custom ROMs are no longer there. If I do get the itch to play around with custom ROMs, I can just buy a Nexus or Pixel device to play around with and my itch is satisfied.
The majority of the user base is your typical user who just wants to use the device. Most users care more about features over modability. And once you try out a few ROMs, it's a vicious cycle. I never had a stable device back in my Android KitKat days because I was swapping ROMs every other day. Part of the reason I intentionally buy devices where the bootloader cannot be unlocked, because I know I'll find myself in that same situation again. So just buying a second device and using that as my play-around device, and using my flashy Galaxy S8+ as my main driver is the best solution for me.
The best reason for no root in my opinion is awesome security. I'm happy to see there is no root just yet. Families who use this phone for bills, money trade, etc. need a solid secure phone. On the other hand if your not using this phone for financial data, than it really does suck. It sucks because of the limitations of theming.
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I've been rooting for many years. Met a bunch of awesome devs and remained friends with them. I can actually say rooting your device has became a thing of the past. Past few phones I've had I didn't root. Just seems like rooting now causes to many problems which is mentioned up above. It's not stable enough to count on when it's way to buggy. Not saying anything about the devs we have today but the devs even back in the day still had bugs. Just seems staying unrooted is the way to go for more stable unbuggy rom to catch an upgrade for more fixes which are stable and add on's.
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Eh, this is the first phone I've had in the past few years that I didn't feel like I needed to root. My previous phone was a Nexus 6p - while pure android and fast security updates was a definite plus, it just didn't have a lot of little features that I liked: theming, close Recents button at the bottom, stuff like that. And I never really felt that the custom kernels provided much better battery life than the stock kernel, which is the only reason that I flashed them in the first place. I'm pretty happy with the customization features present in Samsung's version of android, so I'm fine staying as is. Just being able to change carrier firmwares is enough for me.
This is also the first phone I haven't rooted on day one since the T-Mobile G1. In addition to the Samsung theme store there is now Substratum for Samsung available of which I am currently using Swift Black from the Play Store. Also on XDA there is a thread where you can use layers on your S8 or S8+. In addition to all of the customization the battery life is better than my rooted Nexus 6, best battery life of any phone I've ever had.
root has been achieved, developers are working the package:
Announced by @BotsOne
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The root package hasn't been released yet has it?
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The root package hasn't been released yet has it?
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Root has been released for our phones it's a lot of steps but follow everything as it says in the op and you will be fine I rooted first try
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...root-g955u-g955u1-snapdragon-sampwnd-t3658911
This is the first phone since the T-Mobile G1 that I haven't rooted on day one. I feel that there is no need for root on the S8+, we have the Samsung Theme Store and even better we now have Substratum on an unrooted S8+ plus quite a few layer to use for customization.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/substratum/7-0-substratum-sex-tw-beta-t3620796
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/themes/substratum-inversion-ui-overlay-overlays-t3604341
I wouldn't buy a phone that I can't install Viper4android and Ti on it.
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True. Security is incremental: little by little security gets better & better building on previous security features. Root is nice, also true. Bootloader unlock would be awesome for development of custom roms/kernels, etc. Here's to hoping!
Nonsense!
I agree with one of you, we should look for dev friendly device.
But it will be so much pain if you face tons of unfriendly bloatware, overheat device and lag even with 4 or 6gb RAM. No matter what root still essential factor to develop friendly firmware.
As I'm sure we all know here, our beloved Pixel 3 XLs are officially getting dropped by Google in about three weeks. If history repeats itself, though, we will get the Android 12 release in October followed by one last OTA in December. My typical usage pattern with a phone is:
Get the phone and use the stock ROM until the phone reaches EOL.
Once EOL is reached, move to LineageOS.
I know that this is a pattern that some others more or less follow as well, but I was wondering about what variations there are to the pattern. Does anyone here use another ROM? As much as I like LineageOS, I would be more interested in using a ROM that is basically identical to stock Android. I have read about compiling AOSP from source so as to maintain my own ROM that does just that, but from what I understand, that does not work very well for unsupported devices. Does anyone have any suggestions?
Off the top of the head... EOL only means no more official updates or support, ie security fix's...
Your fone working on a custom rom will still work, since you'd think it was the custom rom updated...
If they do stop the fone calling, there's plenty other apks for 'near field' communication
Free wifi calling hint hint..
Pachacouti said:
Off the top of the head... EOL only means no more official updates or support, ie security fix's...
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Oh yes, I know that functionality-wise the phone will continue working as before. What I want to know is, what are people considering in regards to custom ROMs?
David B. said:
Oh yes, I know that functionality-wise the phone will continue working as before. What I want to know is, what are people considering in regards to custom ROMs?
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Kl, well, me, I'm wondering this too just now, because I'm stuck with a system-as-root fone thats a pain, and now there's too many different too choose from, and if they're of the best quality, they now have to cover at least 4 different styles of booting alone, I'd watch those for the ones updating quickest
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Kl, well, me, I'm wondering this too just now, because I'm stuck with a system-as-root fone thats a pain, and now there's too many different too choose from, and if they're of the best quality, they now have to cover at least 4 different styles of booting alone, I'd watch those for the ones updating quickest
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Well, LineageOS certainly does that, but at the same time, it also takes them about 6 months to move to a new major release of Android. I was hoping that someone would know of a release that does it just as well, but is a little more flexible with migrating. I haven't found any myself.
I've yet to convince myself which version is for my fone lol
David B. said:
As I'm sure we all know here, our beloved Pixel 3 XLs are officially getting dropped by Google in about three weeks. If history repeats itself, though, we will get the Android 12 release in October followed by one last OTA in December. My typical usage pattern with a phone is:
Get the phone and use the stock ROM until the phone reaches EOL.
Once EOL is reached, move to LineageOS.
I know that this is a pattern that some others more or less follow as well, but I was wondering about what variations there are to the pattern. Does anyone here use another ROM? As much as I like LineageOS, I would be more interested in using a ROM that is basically identical to stock Android. I have read about compiling AOSP from source so as to maintain my own ROM that does just that, but from what I understand, that does not work very well for unsupported devices. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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I've already moved to LineageOS, simply to get the monthly security updates. I have not seen any functional loss on LineageOS. If you don't feel you need security updates, just stay on the stock ROM, especially if you think you need any Android 12 features. IMO, new Android features simply add more bloat than I want or need. Your opinion may differ.
Not at all, they all sound excellent, however, my fone cant write to the actuall system, can mount, but no joy yet doing anything else, and no overlay works so far, the only custom os I could install was a chrooted nethunter, which was pretty lame and useless being my system as root is a pain... so I'm looking..
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I've already moved to LineageOS, simply to get the monthly security updates. I have not seen any functional loss on LineageOS. If you don't feel you need security updates, just stay on the stock ROM, especially if you think you need any Android 12 features. IMO, new Android features simply add more bloat than I want or need. Your opinion may differ.
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My plan, at least for now, is to ride on stock until the last update is pushed, and then once LOS gets updated to 12, I will migrate. The only problem with this, though, is that it would leave me without security updates from the end of December until either March or April, and I am not sure how I feel about that.
My experience might help...Last year I was using a Motorola 5Plus with Pixel Experience Rom and loved it. My phone was fast, stable and highly compatible to the "Pixel Experience". I had a hardware issue and decided I liked the PE so much, I went ahead and got a Pixel 3xl...I've never had such a seamless transition...was just faster with better hardware but almost no thought changing for different mechanisms of actions...
I'm hoping someone picks up PE and ports it to the 3XL and I'll use that....otherwise, any alternative suggestions for closest to "stock" Pixel would be appreciated...
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I liked the PE so much, I went ahead and got a Pixel 3xl...I've never had such a seamless transition...was just faster with better hardware but almost no thought changing for different mechanisms of actions...
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Yeah I have seen PixelExperience and would really like to use it over LOS if the 3 XL gets support. As far as I know, the 2 XL did not receive support until it's EOL, so there's hope. Is the feature parity as spot-on as is claimed?
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Yeah I have seen PixelExperience and would really like to use it over LOS if the 3 XL gets support. As far as I know, the 2 XL did not receive support until it's EOL, so there's hope. Is the feature parity as spot-on as is claimed?
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For the features and functions I use, it was almost totally seamless...it was less than a typical release level amount of change (e.g.: 10->11 was more than I experienced PE -> P-3xl)
YMMV however...based on what features/functions you use most heavily.
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spschneer said:
For the features and functions I use, it was almost totally seamless...it was less than a typical release level amount of change (e.g.: 10->11 was more than I experienced PE -> P-3xl)
YMMV however...based on what features/functions you use most heavily.
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Great! I guess it's time for me to start researching building my own image.
"David B said he's gonna research building PE for 3xl....
GREAT...be sure to use the AOSP version ... there are a couple of flavors of PE but IMHO the AOSP version is the closest to the stock 3xl ...
If you don't mind guiding me a little over the rough patches, I'd be willing to help test your creation once you're out of alpha<G>...(my 3xl is my daily driver)... specifically, I'm used to having TWRP available for the maintenance/management of the ROM and if I understand it properly, TWRP isn't used / available for the 3xl ROM's...
Thanks
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spschneer said:
"David B said he's gonna research building PE for 3xl....
GREAT...be sure to use the AOSP version ... there are a couple of flavors of PE but IMHO the AOSP version is the closest to the stock 3xl ...
If you don't mind guiding me a little over the rough patches, I'd be willing to help test your creation once you're out of alpha<G>...(my 3xl is my daily driver)... specifically, I'm used to having TWRP available for the maintenance/management of the ROM and if I understand it properly, TWRP isn't used / available for the 3xl ROM's...
Thanks
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For now, I would like to hold off on it. I don't really see a point in putting effort in to building PE for the 3 XL when we're about two weeks away from the next major Android release, at which point, PE will need reworked by the dev team. If the 3 XL is not picked up by someone else in the modding community at release time, and I've seen some people that think it will be, then I will start researching it.
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For now, I would like to hold off on it. I don't really see a point in putting effort in to building PE for the 3 XL when we're about two weeks away from the next major Android release, at which point, PE will need reworked by the dev team. If the 3 XL is not picked up by someone else in the modding community at release time, and I've seen some people that think it will be, then I will start researching it.
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Sounds like a plan...will keep an eye on development threads for it once it goes out of support.
Even though the last update will be in Dec I'll probably keep using the 3XL until the 7 comes out (or 6a maybe). I just had the battery replaced a couple months ago, and there is nothing wrong with the phone. I usually use devices until EOL hits, and then upgrade when the next OS/phone comes out, so whatever device I'm using at any given time is on the current OS release (IE: 3XL on Android 12 until Android 13 drops, and then upgrade phone to get Android 13).
I would like to use that method, but I think it's too expensive, so I try to settle for "my phone's basically dead."
dcarvil said:
I've already moved to LineageOS, simply to get the monthly security updates. I have not seen any functional loss on LineageOS. If you don't feel you need security updates, just stay on the stock ROM, especially if you think you need any Android 12 features. IMO, new Android features simply add more bloat than I want or need. Your opinion may differ.
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Does the unlimited Google Photos upload work on LineageOS?
quera said:
Does the unlimited Google Photos upload work on LineageOS?
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I don't know how to tell if it is still in effect. I see photos counted against my storage allotment, but don't know if that is just for my previous phones, or if it includes the Pixel photos.
My guess is you would have to use the Google Camera and Photo apps to keep unlimited upload, if it can be kept with LineageOS.