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Deleted sms text hidden away in ipm.root

When I delete a text, it should really be deleted and not hidden away for somebody to find later. That is what's happening on my Tilt 2 phone (stock rom, wm6.5).
When using the "search phone" feature, it found every text I have ever deleted. I click on a message and it opens up. Afterwards, I can go to touch-flo messaging, click on all messages, and the initial screeen will be ipm.root with all my messages that were supposedly deleted months ago. If I click on ipm.root drop down tree at the top, the screen shows the normal email accounts and folders (inbox, draft, outbox, etc). The only way to get the ipm.root to display again is to do another "search phone" and open a message that was supposedly deleted, then go back to the touch-flo ->all messages screen. From there, I can truly select and delete all of them.
I've searched and can't find anything on this issue. Is there a fix to make sure that sms messages delete when you tell it to instead of hiding them. They can build up over time and take up memory space. It's annoying that delete really means hide on this phone.

I'm watching this thread with interest

same here! i supposedly deleted a bunch of sms text messages and through sktools search message files i found them and was able to read them!

I too would like to find a solution to this. One of the tweaking tools (I think it is Advanced Config Tools) has an option to set the max number of texts saved in the deleted folder. I set this to 0 so now I don't have to manually delete the files from that folder too (although the deleted files still go to the deleted folder and for some reason it irritatingly sometimes takes a while for the files to actually disappear from there). Now I find that the files are still taking up space somewhere else.
Anyone know how to stop this behavior?

Hummm...I just did a search using Search Phone and the only thing that came up were messages that had not yet been deleted.
I'm using a Verizon TP2 with MightyROM's latest official ROM (released 5-24-10).
Maybe this is just an issue on T-Mobile?
ps. I think I figured out why the texts sometimes don't disapear from the deleted folder right away with max allowed set to 0. I think you have to close out WinMo text (not just minimize it or close the Sense message screen) for them to go away.

The problem is not going to fix itself
Well, I was hoping that someone may have a fix for this by now. It's just not right for these messages to pile up in a hidden place, when I tell it to delete.
I guess it's not bothersome to most people.... since it's hidden.

Tracini said:
When I delete a text, it should really be deleted and not hidden away for somebody to find later. That is what's happening on my Tilt 2 phone (stock rom, wm6.5).
When using the "search phone" feature, it found every text I have ever deleted. I click on a message and it opens up. Afterwards, I can go to touch-flo messaging, click on all messages, and the initial screeen will be ipm.root with all my messages that were supposedly deleted months ago. If I click on ipm.root drop down tree at the top, the screen shows the normal email accounts and folders (inbox, draft, outbox, etc). The only way to get the ipm.root to display again is to do another "search phone" and open a message that was supposedly deleted, then go back to the touch-flo ->all messages screen. From there, I can truly select and delete all of them.
I've searched and can't find anything on this issue. Is there a fix to make sure that sms messages delete when you tell it to instead of hiding them. They can build up over time and take up memory space. It's annoying that delete really means hide on this phone.
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they are not actually deleted because of the patriot act george w. bush passed...it is very sad...

After deleting from the inbox I will go to tools and empty the deleted folder. I've done searches and haven't been able to find them after that. I also Run Memmaid and that might purge them as well.

* first, install sms backup & restore.
* next, open app, select preferences, select Backup Folder then select External Storage.
* next, in preferences go to Backup Preferences, check Selected Conversations Only, then select “Select Conversations" to select whose text messages you want to save.
* The text messages backup pretty fast but if your phone does not give you enough time to backup all the messages you want, you can backup certain people's texts in one backup, then backup other people's texts in the next backup. It will save the backups to different folders (rather than over-write previous backup).
* on your phone, install sms backup & restore, your sd card and you are set to restore your text messages.

Anyone have Handcent delete all your messages for no reason?

I had a ton of text message threads in Handcent.. Just rebooted my phone like I do all the time. And all of a sudden they were gone! I tried to do a data restore from Titanium but that never seems to work for texts
Not the end of the world.. Just curios as to why it happened..

I have read before that sometimes HC will FC if too many messages are present on a thread, I guess this could be qualified as another side effect for a database that has become way too large for HC to handle.

This just happened to me again. After a manual reboot.. ALL of my text messages are gone. They're gone from the stock messaging app too so I'm not sure where the problem lies. I did a Google search and see other people are having this problem as well with just the stock messaging app. Any ideas on a fix? I'm missing some important text messages.... ugh..

Just noticed my saved wireless networks are gone after the reboot as well....
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thenags said:
This just happened to me again. After a manual reboot.. ALL of my text messages are gone. They're gone from the stock messaging app too so I'm not sure where the problem lies. I did a Google search and see other people are having this problem as well with just the stock messaging app. Any ideas on a fix? I'm missing some important text messages.... ugh..
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I can't help you with the root cause of the problem - I've never had it happen to me but a couple of friends have (all msgs wiped).
If the messages are missing from Handcent, they will also be missing from the stock app - there's no difference because the messages are (or should be) in the same place and you're just choosing to view/send them with Handcent or the stock app (or another of your choosing).
I CAN, however, help you try to minimize the effects of this happening in the future, as well as keep multiple records of your SMS...
I use two apps, together. The first one, called SMS Backup & Restore, by developer Ritesh Sahu has been a god send for me. You can backup all your messages and restore them, fully - it even gets the conversation threads in the right order by date upon recovery. In addition to manual backups, you can schedule backups.
While backing up is fast, I have to warn you that deleting all current messages (if you have a lot) and restoring them can take time. Restoring them, however, shows you a status bar so you can track its progress while deleting them just says "deleting" and you never know how long it will be. (The same dev also has a sister program for phone call logs - it's lightning fast and just as reliable/effective).
The other app I use is called "SMS Backup" by dev Christoph Studer (if you have trouble finding either of these in the market, look them up by searching for the dev's names). What this app does is work quietly in the background to send / upload your SMS to your Gmail. You can set which label you want to apply to them in Gmail, and then in Gmail set a filter to have them skip right over your inbox. This app also lets you have them appear as read when they are uploaded. All in all, you never even realize it's working and your Gmail will never be the wiser, until you have to refer back to an old SMS - maybe a phone number or address or some other vital info sent to you over text... and you can just go and find it at that time safely recorded in your Gmail.
I hope that helps!
Best of luck. If you're having trouble beyond disappearing texts, you may have other more serious underlying issues...

The problem with the backup apps are obviously I need to run them. Who thinks to do a backup prior to doing nothing more than a reboot?! It's crazy that the phone just deletes them on it's own. Searching on Google shows that this problem is wayyyy too common.

thenags said:
The problem with the backup apps are obviously I need to run them. Who thinks to do a backup prior to doing nothing more than a reboot?! It's crazy that the phone just deletes them on it's own. Searching on Google shows that this problem is wayyyy too common.
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who will do backups on a regular basis? folks that have lost data in the past. the more significant the loss, the better their backup habits.
i do backups. it seems the previous poster does. heck, i bet you start doing backups too.
the more you work with technology the more likely you are to ensure that your important data is at least duplicated. things like pictures, audio, video, text should be considered. this goes for desktops, laptops, netbooks, phones, etc. if it stores data, runs an OS and a users interacts with it...it will fail eventually.
sms backup works quite nicely. i found it after i lost my text messgs once.

I run Titanium every single night by schedule and nandroid every other night. I also have automated backups on all my PC's. But I send and recieve at least 1000 texts a day.. So when my texts randomly delete themselves at 5pm.... A backup made at 2am does me no good for my text messages....

Then modify your backup routine. I your backups won't recover your data...you are using the wrong tool. Sms backup can backup every X hrs.
Trust me..there is always a way to protect data that you find important.
I agree, the app shouldn't erase your data.
you can complain and cry....or...complain and recover.
The choice is solely up to you.
Good luck.

I back up all of my texts to my gmail, makes for great searching!

DraginMagik said:
Then modify your backup routine. I your backups won't recover your data...you are using the wrong tool. Sms backup can backup every X hrs.
Trust me..there is always a way to protect data that you find important.
I agree, the app shouldn't erase your data.
you can complain and cry....or...complain and recover.
The choice is solely up to you.
Good luck.
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Where is the option to backup every X hours? I've been through the settingss several times and don't see it

I've been using Handcent for 1.5 years now with no issue but just saw this with a customer who has the Thunderbolt. All messages are gone and she was not on the latest version which is 3.9 now. I've got 3.82 on my Evo so I'm going to leave it there till I know what's going on with this.

[Q] Titanium Backup : can you backup your sms?

How would you recover your sms with Titanium Backup?
is that something possible or we have to use something else?
thanks

I was wondering that too. I have the paid version, love it, but I thought I backed up the messages as well. Apperently not though.
Did I miss the setting?
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There's a free program in the market that I used to back up and restore my SMS called SMS Backup & Restore (by Ritesh Sahu)

I've had no problems with SMS Backup+ from the market - it stores the texts and MMS to your Gmail and allows for backup and restore. Makes it real simple.
Titanium does backup the SMS data, but I don't remember where it does, and on my myTouch3G 1.2 it was kind of buggy restoring it (though it mostly works). I think it's the data from Dialer Storage 2.2 that houses the SMS/MMS?

Handcent now backups sms/mms
I used to use SMS backup from above post, but it wasnt able to do mms' (at that time) so I tried Mybackuppro (in the market) and it works perfect. plus it does other backups too. I ended up buying it.
I used to have problems with Titanium with sms/mms, but I havent tried any recent versions.

I use MyPhoneExplorer. It syncs everything on your phone to your PC.

this could be outdated info now, but when i used titanium backup to backup sms/mms, it would make a backup of the phone dialer and the associated files from /system. This is not the best way to backup the sms's since a new rom may have made modifications to this.
i recommend sms backup and restore, which is what i use myself. titanium backup is great for apps and app data though!

Sorry for bumping and old thread but this brings up a question. Would any of these be able to create a backup of your SMS/MMS and convert them over to a text file of some sort so you can print up records of them? I remember when I had a Blackberry I used to be able to do this with software I purchased for it. This would be a great feature I would be interested in using. I tried searching for something that discussed this but came up with nothing. Sorry if its been covered before. Thanks in advance.

To back up texts just make a back up of Dialer Storage [SMS/MMS] and restore.
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I think marvzuno wants something that can backup AND convert the message to a text file to be read on a computer or something, not only a backup...
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flak0 said:
To back up texts just make a back up of Dialer Storage [SMS/MMS] and restore.
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I'm looking for something more like the poster below was talking about. Thanks for the info though. This will be useful just for the backup process.
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I think marvzuno wants something that can backup AND convert the message to a text file to be read on a computer or something, not only a backup...
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Yes, Something that would convert the backup file into something I would be able to view on a computer. ANy suggestions or ideas on this?

I'd like to put in my vote for SMSBackup+. The restore feature doesn't always work perfectly, but the backup has never failed me. stores it as plain text in your gmail, which is then searcheable.

Love SMS Backup+, saves them to Gmail and can also pull them back to the device as other people have said, works great, no issues!

quick text in messaging

Is there a way of backing up the "Quick text" in the default messaging program? I backup with tiantium backup, and haven't seen how to do it. I usually don't restore the messages wiht TB - I have tried various backup programs.

I don't know about the stock app, but you can save quick texts using handcent.

If you back up the app and data using Titanium it should backup your quick texts too. When you flash a new ROM or wipe for whatever reason you should be able to get back your quick texts by restoring either the data for the messaging app or the whole app itself.
As far as the texts themselves I recommend SMS backup&restore from the market, it has a "check for duplicates" feature that's great.
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The_mamba said:
If you back up the app and data using Titanium it should backup your quick texts too. When you flash a new ROM or wipe for whatever reason you should be able to get back your quick texts by restoring either the data for the messaging app or the whole app itself.
As far as the texts themselves I recommend SMS backup&restore from the market, it has a "check for duplicates" feature that's great.
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So if this were the case, then wiping the 'Messages' would restore any changes to the quick messages. However, it has no effect. Restoring the message prefs program on a new rom also does not restore quick texts.
As far as finding an alternative, I did find another messaging app. However, I was hoping to not have 2 programs on my phone that do the same thing.

There is something in Titanium Backup that restores call logs ...

Restoring all green items in Titanium Backup will not restore call logs.
Restoring all items (green and red in the batch) will restore call logs.
I am trying to find the smallest group of red items in the titanium batch restore system data batch that will bring the previously stored call logs into a new flash.
There is at least one red item that is necessary for titanium to successfully restore call logs but I have found it very difficult to figure out what it is.
All green items plus phone 1.0 (which is red) will not restore the call logs.
In a related question, is there a way to list all of the system settings that are stored by Titaniumbackup? That way I might be able to google some and figure out exactly what they are storing.
sms backup+ seems to have an option for backing call logs to gmail. Trying it now, it is far far slower than titaniumbackup is, and if it is possible to just use TB, I'd rather that than send all of my call logs to the cloud rather than storing them on my sd card.
Another question, are there red items that are especially dangerous to restore? Which system settings are the most likely to cause problems such as freezing and force closes?
I'd imagine that it is possible to deselect the worst red settings while keeping the harmless ones and that it would be possible to restore call logs that way.

I havr only read your first sentence. I don't feel like reading all this.
There's an app for that. Called call log bak or something like that. I'm sure if you search the market Google will be good enough to present it to you.
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Sorry. I know reading is hard for some people. It's OK.
The apps I've found in the market don't back call logs to the SD card but to your google account. I'd rather find an alternative.
Edit:
Call Logs Backup and Restore does backup to and restore from the sd card. An apology is in order.
I still would rather do it with tb if that's possible. If anyone has any information it would be appreciated.

I was sure just restoring data from logsprovider restored call logs.
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I was sure just restoring data from logsprovider restored call logs.
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That's probably it. Logsprovider is one of the red settings that I've not been checking when restoring to a new rom.
Next flash I'll test it out, see if it gets the call logs and also if it causes any noticeable problems.

Thank you!
garyf said:
That's probably it. Logsprovider is one of the red settings that I've not been checking when restoring to a new rom.
Next flash I'll test it out, see if it gets the call logs and also if it causes any noticeable problems.
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I found this thread searching the forums, as I was trying to find a way to restore my call logs using TB after flashing. After restoring the data for logsprovider, the call logs came back. Thank you so much for this info!

migration in titanium backup
Use the migrate option in restoration settings.
Most probably the batch operation skips some system related data.
Correct me if i am wrong.

Another option is SMS backup+. You can find out on the market. It's worked well for me.
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