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defy's cpu - the final answer

Finally we have an official response from Motorola.
I'm quite surprised but it's true, defy is equipped with omap3610.
BUT also, it has been confirmed that defy has a PowerVR SGX 530 renderer inside.
http://community.developer.motorola...elopment-resources-available/td-p/7794/page/3
What's your opinion? Why an omap3610 + separate graphic renderer instead of omap3630 (which has the same renderer inside)?
Like i said i'm quite surprised, i was pretty sure the defy's core was 3630. But in my opinion what really matters is the graphic renderer, and it is present!

I can only assume it was cheaper to buy and/or productize the two separate chips as opposed to the 3630.

i can' believe that answer......
'omap3610 + separate graphic renderer' is cheaper than omap 3630 ??
is it possible?

Actually one can Believe that do to Yield when producing the product. Its the same thing with multi-core chips. Putting 2 dual core chips into a CPU is cheaper in the long run than putting 1 quad core because of flaws in the Production of the cores. don't believe me look it up. It could have been a deal brokered to Motorola because of excess yield of a chip made it cheaper to buy them in massive quantity. Shortages of the chip you mentioned but availability of the 2 chip combo could have been another cause.

Well.. this is shaping up to be interesting.
I've heard this thing benchmarks like a beast.. so it will be interesting to see what happens with froyo..
It does make sense instead of an SoC like hummingbird they could have two dedicated chips.. I would imagine with SoC's they run into a lot of potential problems.. if one part on the chip is bad whole chip is bad..
Although it would be funny if they manage to shove an old 8800 into there somehow..

I think MOTO didn't tell the truth!

you wont hear that but ....
the 3610 doesnt has an ISP (Image Signal Processor) !!!
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source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP#OMAP3

3630 has 3D and IVA 2+
Code:
IVA 2+ accelerator enables multistandard
(MPEG-4, H.264) encode/
decode and WMV9 encode at D1
(720 x 480 pixels), 30 fps
Up to 720p HD resolution
3620 has IVA AND 3D
3610 has IVA
Code:
IVA 2 accelerator enables
VGA to DVD video content playback
up to XGA/WXGA display resolutions
so defy cpu/gpu combo is more like 3620
source: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/swpt024b/swpt024b.pdf

That only affects camera picture quality. Phone cams are useless anyway.

I don't believe it.
Everything I have ever plugged the phone into/bench mark tools are telling me its a 3630, including RSD Lite. Nothing has ever told me its a 3610.
My personal opinion, is that Motorola don't want to advertise that it has this CPU as the phone is much cheaper than its "higher end" models and they don't want everyone going out and buying the defy over say the Droid X or Droid 2.
Whatever its got the bench mark results of this phone are awsome - and its on 2.1.

Higgsy said:
I don't believe it.
Everything I have ever plugged the phone into/bench mark tools are telling me its a 3630, including RSD Lite. Nothing has ever told me its a 3610.
My personal opinion, is that Motorola don't want to advertise that it has this CPU as the phone is much cheaper than its "higher end" models and they don't want everyone going out and buying the defy over say the Droid X or Droid 2.
Whatever its got the bench mark results of this phone are awsome - and its on 2.1.
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Agree with you

I agree too. Lets get the camera to record 720p - then we will have evidence.

shorty66 said:
I agree too. Lets get the camera to record 720p - then we will have evidence.
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yeah deffo

shorty66 said:
I agree too. Lets get the camera to record 720p - then we will have evidence.
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yep，hope so

jellydonut said:
That only affects camera picture quality. Phone cams are useless anyway.
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playback of 720p is a little laggy ....

The 3610 and 3630 have the same APU, right?
And apparently Motorola have paired the 3610 up with the same GPU that the 3630 has built-in, right?
So rather than it being a 3630 that's built in and Motorola are lying, isn't it more likely that the software that reports it to be a 3630 SoC is incorrectly identifying it due to the GPU?
I mean, as far as any software is concerned, if it's the APU that the 3630 has and the GPU that the 3630 has, then it must be a 3630.

Just a quick thought. Would a OMAP3610 have a external bus interface where you could hook up a SGX530 core to ?
Looking at the info for the AM37xx/DM37xx the only way you could hook up such a thing would be throu a memory interface, which IMHO is rather painful.

android.modaco.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=320961&view=findpost&p=1478526
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Just a rethorical question: if it's a 3610 with an "external" GPU, then why even device "says" it's a 3630? (Cannot post correct links, sorry.)

TPGamer said:
Just a rethorical question: if it's a 3610 with an "external" GPU, then why even device "says" it's a 3630? (Cannot post correct links, sorry.)
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My post (2 above yours) offers (IMO) one potential theory why that's the case.

Step666 said:
My post (2 above yours) offers (IMO) one potential theory why that's the case.
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I'm not great with low level hardware stuff, but win7/moto usb drivers identify the device by some kind of ID, right? The guy on mocado said, that the picture in his second post is made, when he was about to flash a new ROM on the phone. And the boot ROM is in the SoC, along with the USB controller. So in that case basicly the SoC identifies it self as a 3630. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I said before, I'm not great with this kind of stuff.

Would you upgrade your ET4G to this phone? SHV-E120L

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Epic Touch 4G and would definitely buy Samsung again. I have to say I would consider upgrading to his phone if Sprint got it (a CDMA version) within the next year -
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/21/samsung-shv-e120l-comes-out-of-the-development-dark-is-the-xtin/
dual-core 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 4.7-inch 1280 x 720 HD display, 2 megapixel front-facing / 8 megapixel rear camera, 1GB RAM, 16GB of onboard storage, WiFi, Bluetooth and NFC.
Yes, there is always something better coming and this is the only phone I would think about.

It looks like a good phone and the specs suggest the phone should be pretty awesome, but I don't see myself going away from the ET4G any time soon. The development is just starting and who knows what could be made out of this phone. It's good enough as is to compete with any phone so who knows what kind of performance we could see with stable roms/kernels/tweaks etc. The 4.52 inch screen is just the perfect size imo. Anything bigger might as well be considered a tablet.

I don't really need to go much bigger than 4.5 - but 4.7 would still be just fine for me. The 1280 x 720 resolution would be sweet though. The processor on the ET4G is GREAT so going to 1.5 isn't a big deal for me. I don't really care about the NFC that phone will have so for me it really comes down to the higher res and I think the 4.7" screen will actually be the perfect size for me. That would be about as big as I could go and still do 1 handed typing.

boe said:
I don't really need to go much bigger than 4.5 - but 4.7 would still be just fine for me. The 1280 x 720 resolution would be sweet though. The processor on the ET4G is GREAT so going to 1.5 isn't a big deal for me. I don't really care about the NFC that phone will have so for me it really comes down to the higher res and I think the 4.7" screen will actually be the perfect size for me. That would be about as big as I could go and still do 1 handed typing.
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I don't even think the proc is even a upgrade. Maybe even a downgrade.
My next phone will have to come with jellybean on the OS. Otherwise I will have nice hardware running on aged software. With Samsung don't expect anything more than what is in the box.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk

I'm hearing rumors the ET4G won't support EVDO rev B. If this new phone supports it, for me that would easily justify my next upgrade.

I won't be jumping to that with that CPU in there. It will be slower than the ET4G for sure.

Im perfectly fine with the ET4G for a good while.
Sent from my GS2 Epic 4G Touch

Nope...satisfied ;-)
Sent from my Samsung Epic Touch 4G

Silent25r said:
I don't even think the proc is even a upgrade. Maybe even a downgrade.
My next phone will have to come with jellybean on the OS. Otherwise I will have nice hardware running on aged software. With Samsung don't expect anything more than what is in the box.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk
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right. adding GHz wont help an inferior GPU.
Mail-400 is a beast. There is an article explaining why the Tmobile version, even though clocked at 1.5GHz, wont be better than the exynos. Im sure it will still be a good phone, but ill take exynos over snapdragon ANY day.
if sprint did get it, the only reason id consider it would be because of the enhanced resolution as long as it was a super amoled+ or better, other than that this is my dream device

mmmajor said:
Nope...satisfied ;-)
Sent from my Samsung Epic Touch 4G
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Your tapatalk sig and your xda sig are conflicts of interest lol

Throw in a quad core exynos processor and then we'll talk. The Epic Touch is almost perfect.
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oboroninja said:
Throw in a quad core exynos processor and then we'll talk. The Epic Touch is almost perfect.
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Exactly. No thanks on the Snapdragon.

12MaNy said:
Exactly. No thanks on the Snapdragon.
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on top of that, a9 architecture is much better than a8. snapdragon cores are heavily modified a8's, but still wont beat an a9

I will say coming from the EVO 3D to the Epic Touch 4G I didn't really notice a speed difference. I don't play video games on my phone so maybe that is important for some people. I think sense can probably have an impact on perceived speed/smoothness.
I will say if the ET4G doesn't support EVDO rev. B, the network speed would be far, far more important to me.

Nokia 900 could be the Holy Grail

If the rumours are true that is.
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokia-900-windows-phone-handset-tipped-in-leak

Interestingly enough there is no mention of FFC and I can't see one in the pic. Hope that's not the case, provided that thing is real to begin with.

Could be a fake but if this is real I won't care about FFC, it's not like I would actually use it.

Peew971 said:
If the rumours are true that is.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokia-900-windows-phone-handset-tipped-in-leak
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I agree. Now that looks like a Nokia WP7 I could love.

I heard it's a fake.
That's pretty bad since I am still waiting for a 32Gb device.

the specs looks good but i am digging the nokia 800/sea ray design more

I think it's fake:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/25/nokia-lumia-800-and-710-windows-phones-slip-out-ahead-of-tomorro/
Why would the other 2 be called "Lumia 800" and "Lumia 710" and this just be called "900" (and not "Lumia 900")

brummiesteven said:
I think it's fake:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/25/nokia-lumia-800-and-710-windows-phones-slip-out-ahead-of-tomorro/
Why would the other 2 be called "Lumia 800" and "Lumia 710" and this just be called "900" (and not "Lumia 900")
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It does look exactly like an Omnia 7. http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339306547/samsung_1.jpg

I think it looks awesome, would love to have a 4 to 4.3 in WP7 Mango Phone, but feel this is fake because it lists 512MB ROM, I haven't seen ROM listings on any WP7 devices because of the built in memory. I just hope the Lumia 800 comes to Sprint, would love a device with bigger screen and no keyboard.

It's fake.
yankodesign.com/2010/12/24/multiple-oss-on-a-smartphone
However, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Lumia 900 will be revealed tomorrow, and it will have a microSD slot.
Why?
Take a look at the Lumia 800 spec sheet. It says "no uSD" (the u is a micro), which sucks. Now why would they advertise a lack of a feature, unless it was to compare it with a phone that has the feature?

lovenokia said:
the specs looks good but i am digging the nokia 800/sea ray design more
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Yeah, me too, and the screen size is perfect for me. The looming threat of PenTile and 16GB only announcements likely to come out tomorrow spoil the party though...

Best title ever for a thread, Peew.
If these specs turn out to be true, then I know what device I'll purchase next. I'd prefer the Lumia 720 design wise though. But the 4.3" SAMOLED screen plus 32 GB storage mean more to me than the look of the device (which isn't too shabby to be honest).

uryu_ishida said:
It's fake.
yankodesign.com/2010/12/24/multiple-oss-on-a-smartphone
However, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Lumia 900 will be revealed tomorrow, and it will have a microSD slot.
Why?
Take a look at the Lumia 800 spec sheet. It says "no uSD" (the u is a micro), which sucks. Now why would they advertise a lack of a feature, unless it was to compare it with a phone that has the feature?
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I noticed that and thought it was odd and that would make sense i do think there will be a top end devise as well. I just cant wait to see the searay though and hope that now nokia world is kicking off i will be able to get my order in

The consensus seems to be a fake...unfortunately

It's a concept designed by MindSailors. Check out the link below and go to the Design Showcase -> Electronic's section to see the high res pictures of that concept. You'll notice that the only difference between this and the leaked picture is the tile's background colour has been changed and they've added in the Nokia Nav tile.
http://www.mindsailors.com/

If Nokia releases something with the body of the Sea Ray aka 800 with a 4"+ screen, front facing camera & 32GB+ of storage, I will not be able to buy it fast enough.
Please don't disappoint me tomorrow! 3.7" and no FFC is no good as much as I love that body style.

dtboos said:
If Nokia releases something with the body of the Sea Ray aka 800 with a 4"+ screen, front facing camera & 32GB+ of storage, I will not be able to buy it fast enough.
Please don't disappoint me tomorrow! 3.7" and no FFC is no good as much as I love that body style.
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I'm in on that action too. In fact, you'd better wear your bestest and fastest tennis shoes because I intend to outrun you.
By the way, you ever see an old man hobble like a jack rabbit? Let Nokia put that love out and you will.

Peew971 said:
If the rumours are true that is.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokia-900-windows-phone-handset-tipped-in-leak
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Is this supposed to be the "Ace"? If so isn't that device going to have LTE which isn't going to be supported until Tango early next year?
I have my eye on the Ace if it does indeed have the 4.3" amoled display with LTE and FFC, 1.4 Ghz CPU, etc...

mikroland said:
Is this supposed to be the "Ace"? If so isn't that device going to have LTE which isn't going to be supported until Tango early next year?
I have my eye on the Ace if it does indeed have the 4.3" amoled display with LTE and FFC, 1.4 Ghz CPU, etc...
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It's fake.

dtboos said:
If Nokia releases something with the body of the Sea Ray aka 800 with a 4"+ screen, front facing camera & 32GB+ of storage, I will not be able to buy it fast enough.
Please don't disappoint me tomorrow! 3.7" and no FFC is no good as much as I love that body style.
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If it has those specs and sea ray shape, I am willing to take the heat from my wife, This would be my 3rd new phone in 12 months.

Why I chose the Nitro (for $50 on-contract!) over Galaxy Nexus/Note

First, here's how I scored my Nitro for $50 (on contract).
Currently AT&T (instore and online) is selling the Nitro with an instant $100 off.
If you go to http://www.retailmenot.com/view/att.com and click through their AT&T Promo link that's another $100 off. So now the phone costs $50 (plus tax) and free 2-day shipping.
As you can see in my signature, I'm a Nexus One user. The very MINUTE the phone was available for order on their site, I did.
I was a devout Nexus fan (actually, still love my Nexus One), I love the notion of no-bloat and completely open ended system. When the Galaxy Nexus was due, you can imagine my excitement. Now imagine my complete frustration with the constant delays and misinformation. I was also quite disappointed that Google decided to put the 1.2GHz Exynos CPU in their supposed "Hardware platform pusher" phone. Blah!
But during the time I eagerly awaiting the GNex, I see a new offering from Samsung in the salacious Galaxy Note! a 5.3" beauty with all the guts of the GNex (actually, a FASTER processor with 1.4GHz Exynos) and a stylus with Wacom certified screen!...But dammit!, no US version! The International GSM version will work on AT&T, but NOT 4g LTE! And the Note's Verizon LTE version would have the snapdragon with the Adreno 205 GPU in it (OLD, WEAK GPU!!).
Too many strikes against the front runners and too many yummies for the Nitro underdog!

Are you able to upgrade a line using this, or is it just New Customers/Add a line?

I'd imagine this is for New Customers only...At least for the extra $100 from retailmenot:
*Offer requires online activation via att.com/wireless on qualified rate plans $39.99 or more with a two-year agreement. iPhone, GoPhone, netbooks, and certain other devices not eligible. Certain devices require a minimum data or messaging plan. Discount will be automatically applied to your shopping cart. Credit approval and other restrictions apply.

I can't get any of the discounts to show up, at least over a week later.

Sadly that RetailMeNot discount could be regional. I've heard quite a few others had issues getting the discount to work in other areas (I'm in the NJ area).

Another good reason to choose the Nitro over those two - no screen burn-in.

There are more to processors than the mhz rating. the 1.2 A9 in the gnex absolutley destroys the nitro's 1.5....Also take a look at the development between both, enough said!

Just curious, was/is Glaxy Nexus expected for AT&T network?

[email protected] said:
Just curious, was/is Glaxy Nexus expected for AT&T network?
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Yes, based on leaked FCC specs 3G only, no LTE. But this is kind of speculation only.

droidstyle said:
There are more to processors than the mhz rating. the 1.2 A9 in the gnex absolutley destroys the nitro's 1.5....Also take a look at the development between both, enough said!
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"absolutely destroys" the Nitro's 1.5? Really? Any actual proof of that? And I'm not talking about specsheet comparisons, I mean actual benchmarks.
Seriously though, I've been searching the net and can't find any decent benches for comparison between these 2.

Namuna said:
"absolutely destroys" the Nitro's 1.5? Really? Any actual proof of that? And I'm not talking about specsheet comparisons, I mean actual benchmarks.
Seriously though, I've been searching the net and can't find any decent benches for comparison between these 2.
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The Snapdragon APQ8060 is just naturally slower then the 1.2GHz OMAP4 in the GNexus, because it's Cortex A9.
Qualcomm used a modified Cortex A8 design for more battery efficiency, but you sacrifice horsepower.
Now the 1.2GHz Exynos chip... that is a battery drainer, but the amount of horsepower that thing has is just godly.

droidstyle said:
There are more to processors than the mhz rating. the 1.2 A9 in the gnex absolutley destroys the nitro's 1.5....Also take a look at the development between both, enough said!
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nitro destroyed by galacy nexus:
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nitro destroyed by galacy nexus:
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Time after time benchmarks have proven to be inaccurate. The Galaxy Nexus's processor is much faster than the Nitro's.

8mileroad said:
Time after time benchmarks have proven to be inaccurate. The Galaxy Nexus's processor is much faster than the Nitro's.
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i was replying to the following poster's request for a benchmark, i provided one. you are free to interpret it anyway you choose, even discount it entirely, it makes no difference to me. I interpret it to correspond to my real world use of the nitro. as experience proves time and again, it's not always a faster processor that makes a fine performing phone.
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"absolutely destroys" the Nitro's 1.5? Really? Any actual proof of that? And I'm not talking about specsheet comparisons, I mean actual benchmarks.
Seriously though, I've been searching the net and can't find any decent benches for comparison between these 2.
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Longcat14 said:
The Snapdragon APQ8060 is just naturally slower then the 1.2GHz OMAP4 in the GNexus, because it's Cortex A9.
Qualcomm used a modified Cortex A8 design for more battery efficiency, but you sacrifice horsepower.
Now the 1.2GHz Exynos chip... that is a battery drainer, but the amount of horsepower that thing has is just godly.
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This is yet more conjecture. After more digging I've attached an image I found from one of Anandtech.com's articles, showing a comparison chart between the ARM Cortex A8, A9 and our Nitro's Qualcomm Scorpion.
Indeed while searching for more technical information on the architecture of the APQ8060 chip I found some info that it's based on the ARM Cortex A8, but if you look at the attached image...The Scorpion is mostly equal to or HIGHER SPEC than the A9, such as in pipeline-depth and NEON.
Now, since we're talking about System-on-Chip here, let's not forget what GPU the GNex is using vs. the Nitro... PowerVR SGX540 vs. the Adreno 220 in the Nitro. Doesn't take much searching to find the Adreno 220 is superior to the SGX540 and here's a few benches showing the Nitro higher on the performance results vs. GNex:
OpenGL-ES 2.0 graphics performance benchmark:
http://nena.se/nenamark/view?version=2
As to the remark that benchmarks are inaccurate...Well I certainly agree that I've seen my fair share of benches being debunked or showing inaccurate info based on outdated software, but at least their TESTED results and not just opinions based on spec sheets.

OpenGL-ES 2.0 graphics performance benchmark:

i have a few more days before my 30 days is up with the nitro, seriously debating whether or not to return it and just get an SGS2, because the nitro doesn't seem to be selling in volumes enough to get real dev support

Thinking about a Nitro?...Compare to other 720p phones!

A prevalent question on these Nitro forums is whether or not to buy it...As compared to <whatever> phone. I think the most common comparison is with the Samsung Galaxy S2.
The problem is, the GS2 is an 800x480 resolution phone. To get an idea of why that doesn't make sense, go ahead and set your laptop's screen resolution to 800x600. How's that look to you? Now walk over to your computer and set it to 1280x800, how's that?
Not exactly a controlled and scientific comparison right? Different systems, different screens, different just about everything.
IMHO, if you're considering the Nitro and want to compare it to something?...Then there's really only 1 other phone (in the US, anyway); the HTC Rezound which has the exact same CPU/GPU chipset and 1280x720 screen (LCD though, not IPS). You could also compare with the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, there's a LOT of variances there too but it's one of the only phones that also has the 1280x720 screen.
I stress the commonality of 1280x720 because not everything works properly (or even at all) when trying to display at this resolution and also there's potential draw delays to compensate. So make sure you're looking at the other phones that could share this same hurdle so you set your expectations accordingly.

good points, thanks!

To add two more 720P phones were announced at ces coming to AT&T. The Sony Xperia Ion and the Samsung Galaxy S II Skyrocket HD.

@Namura: Appreciate the "cold water" treatment. might make others think twice both for flaming the P930 and the comparison to other units.
@Kindawack: prototypes/announced phones don't figure into what he is talking about, as they are not market launched yet.

Knock it off all stay on topic and stop arguing, doesn't belong on xda!!!

Only 2 720p phone on market at this time.

MoreYummy said:
Only 2 720p phone on market at this time.
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I think it's like 4.
-Galaxy Nexus
-LG Nitro HD (duh)
-HTC Rezound
-Samsung GS2 HD (my dream phone)

I meant the ones are actually on the market for sale.

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I meant the ones are actually on the market for sale.
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GS2 HD IS on the market. Just not the US market. But if you want to talk about internationally, i think Sharp/Toshiba has got 720p phones too

Can't say how this site is accurate, but I like how you can set the parameters for search and how it shows the table:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id4=3215&id5=3233&id6=3109&id7=3271&id8=3064

[email protected] said:
Can't say how this site is accurate, but I like how you can set the parameters for search and how it shows the table:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id4=3215&id5=3233&id6=3109&id7=3271&id8=3064
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Yeah, I wonder about the validity of their info as well. Considering the Samsung Note LTE for AT&T was only announced yesterday at CES...With the only confirms being 1.5GHz Qualcomm chipset (but no verification as to which model) and availability as "in the coming months"...Whereas that pdadb shows it as releasing in Feb and has the same APQ8060 chip as our Nitro.

man, i am way past waiting for the next kick ass phone to be released. I had been waiting since the droid bionic announcement (the 1st one ;-0) prior to getting this nitro.
not playing the *let's give it another month and see what's released* game no mo!
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Yup, I agree. I spent 5 months waiting for nothing..... as each day passes I'm more and more pleased with the Nitro.
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I am constantly hoping for a CWM breakthrough for our phone but then I remember that I am actually 100% satisfied with my rooted, debloated, blue icon and battery mod, go launcher ex Nitro, then I don't worry about CWM as much.

Same here. As long I am rooted, debloated, custom launcher (zean) and sim unlocked I am good. Custom roms would nice but a lot of time, they are a pain to keep up.
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I know benchmarks dont mean squat, but I am surprised how Nitro HD fairs well in any 3D benchmarks especially with 720p screen and sub-optimised soft. See attached Antutu benchmark. Barely behind Galaxy Nexus with ICS.
I just fired up Shadowgun and it does drop a frame here and there. No Tegra afterall but 4.5 inch 720p is looking better than I remember playing on Atrix 4G.

LMAO
IPS is just one type of LCD,
IPS, MVA, PVA, ASV are all good screen types,
the only bad screen is TN, which is never used on high end android devices.
AMOLED sucks IMO, over saturated, and your vision killer. Dont even mention most of the AMOLED on the market is pentile display.

theoski said:
I know benchmarks dont mean squat, but I am surprised how Nitro HD fairs well in any 3D benchmarks especially with 720p screen and sub-optimised soft. See attached Antutu benchmark. Barely behind Galaxy Nexus with ICS
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look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20564401&postcount=30 'tis even way ahead of nexus being reset and debloated

Billy Madison said:
look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20564401&postcount=30 'tis even way ahead of nexus being reset and debloated
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scores well eh. got a bit better score just now

The score is about same when you compare the top 3.
Not much differences.