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Time for a Motorola Defy section?

The device is released on the 3rd, it's time to open a forum section and get some discussion going.

This thread agrees with you...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=787007&page=2

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The defy is now actually available, rooted and confirmed to have a GPU.
Anyone interested?

There is interest in this phone, but not as much as I would have thought.
You'd think a ruggedized phone like the DEFY would get more interest, but then again it hasn't been out for even a week yet.
Maybe after it has been out for a while there will be more people that take an interest in it.
Here is hoping so!!

shorty66 said:
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The defy is now actually available, rooted and confirmed to have a GPU.
Anyone interested?
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really? good news!

I posted the "evidece" on gpu and root in the other thread.
There is a one click root solution avaible.
I dont know if the bootloader has been hacked yet though.

shorty66 said:
I posted the "evidece" on gpu and root in the other thread.
There is a one click root solution avaible.
I dont know if the bootloader has been hacked yet though.
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bring it on!

+1 for a section on this phone I plan to get soon!

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I have a Defy arriving tomorrow. Would love to see a forum for it!

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Motorola Defy arriving tomorrow!

+1 Can't wait to get this phone! My friend just picked it up, and I got to play with it.
Quadrant scores were right along a Vibrant, hopefully it gets Froyo before the end of the year, but I could wait, it was more than fast enough.
Weight was about the same as the Vibrant, but the form factor is awesome, the screen being 3.7 and the Vibrant being 4, you'd never guess it was that close cause the Defy is so much smaller in the hand. It's just all screen.
Games loaded fine, probably due to the PowerVR GPU. And the web browsing seemed pretty quick as well. Sound quality was also like most Motorola phones, really good, these guys can build radios and phones. And the screen is great in direct sunlight, think it's got a transreflective tft under that Gorilla glass.
But all in all, I don't understand why there isn't more hype on this phone? I'm thinking this is one of those phones that would agree with many people. Not a 4.3 monster, nor a 3.2 mini. Slightly bigger screen than an iPhone, but smaller form factor and lighter. More than powerful enough to run anything, and they made it life proof...I know in the current market, there are front facing cameras, and 4g. But really most people don't need either. They're great features for a select few, but the majority of people don't need a front facing camera or would come close to utilizing 4g. Look at how many people kept their blackberrys and iphone 1 and 2gs.
Hopefully community support with grow for this phone!! think it's time for me to start learning how to cook up some roms soon! I'm getting one today!

+1 for a Defy section
I would like to have a Phone without a need for Extra Protection.
That is the reason because I am very interested in this Phone.

can only hope some good hackers and cooks buy this phone too.. Custom ROMs are a must.

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my defy will arrive next week on monday

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This phone looks sweet except that the proc is only 800 and the VR GPU is not included. But the rugged factor is a sale for me. I was using a mt3g in the field yesterday as a stopwatch, gps, level, camera, notes, tethering and for tunes! ...blowing dust and sprinkling rain were the only concerns and they would have been mitigated with this rig! Bring on the new era these phones have the capability of lessening my pack list for field days.

The defy actually HAS a PowerVR530 included.
The official Specs have been updated accordingly and Quadrant says so too on my Defy (which came yesterday ).

shorty66 said:
The defy actually HAS a PowerVR530 included.
The official Specs have been updated accordingly and Quadrant says so too on my Defy (which came yesterday ).
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sadly ....you are mistaken. I wish it had a powerVR but it does not. its purely a CPU. I found it on a file on the TI site
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/swpt024b/swpt024b.pdf

Regardless it needs its own section so we can get some development going on it.

The defy does have a Power VR. It's a simple mistake made by Motorola or TI with the OMAP 3610. It definitely does.
GPU (OpenGL)
Vendor: Imagination Techonogies
Renderer: PowerVR SGX 530
Version: OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
Max texture units: 4
Max texture size: 2048
Max lights: 8
VBO: supported
Frame buffers: unsupported
Cube maps: supported
Texture combiners: supported
Crossbar combiner: supported
androidpit.de/de/android/forum/thread/406478/Defy-Power
android-hilfe.de/motorola-defy-forum/52754-klaerung-defy-gpu-cpu.html
Already confirmed by Motorola. This misinformation is a reason why people are not looking into the phone. It's an OMAP 3630 actually
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MTDG said:
The defy does have a Power VR. It's a simple mistake made by Motorola or TI with the OMAP 3610. It definitely does.
GPU (OpenGL)
Vendor: Imagination Techonogies
Renderer: PowerVR SGX 530
Version: OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
Max texture units: 4
Max texture size: 2048
Max lights: 8
VBO: supported
Frame buffers: unsupported
Cube maps: supported
Texture combiners: supported
Crossbar combiner: supported
androidpit.de/de/android/forum/thread/406478/Defy-Power
android-hilfe.de/motorola-defy-forum/52754-klaerung-defy-gpu-cpu.html
Already confirmed by Motorola. This misinformation is a reason why people are not looking into the phone. It's an OMAP 3630 actually
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Thats interesting. How did you find that info? I mean I hope its right. Just doesnt make sense cUse the phone is still slugish during screen transitions or pinch to zoom.. Maybe its the motoblur doing that but for that kind of gpu it should be much better. I installed laumcherpro, it helped alittle.

Would you upgrade your ET4G to this phone? SHV-E120L

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my Epic Touch 4G and would definitely buy Samsung again. I have to say I would consider upgrading to his phone if Sprint got it (a CDMA version) within the next year -
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/21/samsung-shv-e120l-comes-out-of-the-development-dark-is-the-xtin/
dual-core 1.5GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 4.7-inch 1280 x 720 HD display, 2 megapixel front-facing / 8 megapixel rear camera, 1GB RAM, 16GB of onboard storage, WiFi, Bluetooth and NFC.
Yes, there is always something better coming and this is the only phone I would think about.

It looks like a good phone and the specs suggest the phone should be pretty awesome, but I don't see myself going away from the ET4G any time soon. The development is just starting and who knows what could be made out of this phone. It's good enough as is to compete with any phone so who knows what kind of performance we could see with stable roms/kernels/tweaks etc. The 4.52 inch screen is just the perfect size imo. Anything bigger might as well be considered a tablet.

I don't really need to go much bigger than 4.5 - but 4.7 would still be just fine for me. The 1280 x 720 resolution would be sweet though. The processor on the ET4G is GREAT so going to 1.5 isn't a big deal for me. I don't really care about the NFC that phone will have so for me it really comes down to the higher res and I think the 4.7" screen will actually be the perfect size for me. That would be about as big as I could go and still do 1 handed typing.

boe said:
I don't really need to go much bigger than 4.5 - but 4.7 would still be just fine for me. The 1280 x 720 resolution would be sweet though. The processor on the ET4G is GREAT so going to 1.5 isn't a big deal for me. I don't really care about the NFC that phone will have so for me it really comes down to the higher res and I think the 4.7" screen will actually be the perfect size for me. That would be about as big as I could go and still do 1 handed typing.
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I don't even think the proc is even a upgrade. Maybe even a downgrade.
My next phone will have to come with jellybean on the OS. Otherwise I will have nice hardware running on aged software. With Samsung don't expect anything more than what is in the box.
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I'm hearing rumors the ET4G won't support EVDO rev B. If this new phone supports it, for me that would easily justify my next upgrade.

I won't be jumping to that with that CPU in there. It will be slower than the ET4G for sure.

Im perfectly fine with the ET4G for a good while.
Sent from my GS2 Epic 4G Touch

Nope...satisfied ;-)
Sent from my Samsung Epic Touch 4G

Silent25r said:
I don't even think the proc is even a upgrade. Maybe even a downgrade.
My next phone will have to come with jellybean on the OS. Otherwise I will have nice hardware running on aged software. With Samsung don't expect anything more than what is in the box.
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right. adding GHz wont help an inferior GPU.
Mail-400 is a beast. There is an article explaining why the Tmobile version, even though clocked at 1.5GHz, wont be better than the exynos. Im sure it will still be a good phone, but ill take exynos over snapdragon ANY day.
if sprint did get it, the only reason id consider it would be because of the enhanced resolution as long as it was a super amoled+ or better, other than that this is my dream device

mmmajor said:
Nope...satisfied ;-)
Sent from my Samsung Epic Touch 4G
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Your tapatalk sig and your xda sig are conflicts of interest lol

Throw in a quad core exynos processor and then we'll talk. The Epic Touch is almost perfect.
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oboroninja said:
Throw in a quad core exynos processor and then we'll talk. The Epic Touch is almost perfect.
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Exactly. No thanks on the Snapdragon.

12MaNy said:
Exactly. No thanks on the Snapdragon.
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on top of that, a9 architecture is much better than a8. snapdragon cores are heavily modified a8's, but still wont beat an a9

I will say coming from the EVO 3D to the Epic Touch 4G I didn't really notice a speed difference. I don't play video games on my phone so maybe that is important for some people. I think sense can probably have an impact on perceived speed/smoothness.
I will say if the ET4G doesn't support EVDO rev. B, the network speed would be far, far more important to me.

Galaxy S III Announced!

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The Galaxy S III is Samsung's new flagship smartphone and it's finally broken cover at the company's stand-alone Mobile Unpacked event here in London. With a steady stream of fakes, outright leaks and even event rescheduling, Samsung's claimed almost crazy levels of interest for its new smartphone. Weighing in at 133g (4.7 ounces) and whittled to 8.6mm at its thickest, the rounded-off design has more than a little bit in common with its Galaxy Nexus cousin. Of course, it's Samsung's new 1.4GHz Exynos 4 Quad processor doing the legwork, and there's 1GB of RAM to help it out. The display has been bumped up in size to a 4.8-inch HD Super AMOLED affair, sporting a 1280 x 720 pixel count. Happy snappers will have an 8-megapixel rear shooter to play with, and a 1.9-megapixel eye on the front will take care of those video calls. If you were wondering about radios, it's launching with HSPA+, but there's an LTE version in the cards. As for the interface, it's TouchWiz on top of Android 4.0 again, and there's new gesture functions to help you get around. So, there it is, the phone we've all been waiting for (until the next one) but that's not all, be sure to check our hands-on coverage and additional features for the in-depth breakdown.
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Souce: Engadget
Specs:
-Quad Core Exynos proccesor @1.4 ghz
-1gb of ram
-AMOLED 4.8 inch HD (1280x720), It's a pentile display at 306 ppi
-8mp camera, 1.9mp front facing camera
-HSPA+, LTE
-Gesture features
-Touchwiz on ICS 4.0.
-2 100mAh battery with a wireless charging option
-MicroSD slot
-Choice of 16GB, 32GB or 64GB of internal storage
-SunSpider browser performance score of just under 1,500ms
-http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_flexes_muscles_on_benchmarks-news-4201.php (Benchmarks)
Launching: May 29th in Europe and the U.S. will receive its variants in summer.
Looking sexy but I gotta wait like another year, so Galaxy S IV here I come! Our galaxy s2's can stand the test of time though

First!!
Had to be that guy for once ;]
ALSO, I wish it had the 12mp shooter, but we will see what GSIII is for the states, namely Sprint.

I'll change my screen density to 160. Now I got SIII.

Anyone know the battery mAh yet? Interesting device, looks like it's only got a home button now? Unless it pulled an international SGSII and has the menu and back button on the sides. Can't tell.

Really?
So far it looks meh.
Any benchmarks anywhere?

nabbed said:
Really?
So far it looks meh.
Any benchmarks anywhere?
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The TW ICS status bar is pretty bad looking, hardly a difference from Gingerbread. They would've gotten me more excited with an AOSP style status bar, but I guess that's something I'll have to do, myself.

Overstew said:
Anyone know the battery mAh yet? Interesting device, looks like it's only got a home button now? Unless it pulled an international SGSII and has the menu and back button on the sides. Can't tell.
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2,100 mAh

Vandam500 said:
2,100 mAh
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That's not bad. Anyone got a live link working?

Overstew said:
That's not bad. Anyone got a live link working?
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/03/samsung-mobile-unpacked-liveblog/

Vandam500 said:
2,100 mAh
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the question now becomes, will it be the same footprint as our battery so we can buy one and use it in our phones

So far, HTC One X us version/ Evo 3g lte looks better -
better screen, better camera.
The only thing this phone still has is samsung hardware accelerated apps + possible faster cpu/gpu.

I was actually looking forward to this, but am a bit underwhelmed, its just meh to me for some reason lol.
I don't think its that much of an upgrade from our phone to the SGIII.

S Voice? Sounds like a Siri competitor.

meh
looks like ill get getting an EVO 4G LTE ... this thing looks weaksauce

fatboypup said:
looks like ill get getting an EVO 4G LTE ... this thing looks weaksauce
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Just remember the US variants look a bit different. While I don't like the overall design of the international one, we'll see how the US variants come out.

Overstew said:
Just remember the US variants look a bit different. While I don't like the overall design of the international one, we'll see how the US variants come out.
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either way its lackluster to me

fatboypup said:
either way its lackluster to me
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I am disappointed in the design Samsung has screwed up again.
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fatboypup said:
either way its lackluster to me
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It'll end up being a hit regardless because it's dubbed "quad core".

dont get me wrong im not saying ill never own one but i wont be all waiting like a school girl 6 months for it ..... Ill pickup the EVO LTE first

I'll be waiting for the final product before I decide but I'm definitely going to skip the HTC since my current phone still makes me happy.

5-Inch 1080p Quadcore HTC J-Butterfly Announced for Japan

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Expected to be launched sometime around December.
Specs:
5-inch 1080p Super LCD 3 Display
Snapdragon S4 Pro Proccessor
LTE
Android 4.1 Jelly Bean
2GB RAM
16GB Internal Storage
8MP Rear Camera
2MP Front-Facing Camera
2020mAh Battery
microSD Slot
Colors: Black, Red, White
Source: HTC

Holy cow. That thing is beautiful. Maybe they've been listening to the customers by bringing back the SD slot etc. The choice of colours is pretty nice too. Also, anyone have any clarification on what this "with Google" thing is about, is it something to do with the multi-manufacturer/multi-nexus information we had a while ago, or is it simply going to be placed on all android phones in future?

DrumJ86 said:
Holy cow. That thing is beautiful. Maybe they've been listening to the customers by bringing back the SD slot etc. The choice of colours is pretty nice too. Also, anyone have any clarification on what this "with Google" thing is about, is it something to do with the multi-manufacturer/multi-nexus information we had a while ago, or is it simply going to be placed on all android phones in future?
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"With Google" I suspect it is a branding that is gong to be coming to all devices running JB out of the gate going forward.
As nice as this device looks, is this supposed to compete with the Note 2? It seems to have no extra software tailored to use the extra real estate in any meaningful way over the One S even. Likewise 2000mAh battery on a 1080p screen? Unless the sharp screen technology is extremely energy efficient or I'd be surprised to see the device push 3 hours of screen on time at automatic brightness, which given its push as a media consuming / watching device because of its full HD screen is a bit woeful.
To me the device is a bit like 'the emperors new clothes'.... But damn they are sexy clothes.....

nookcoloruser said:
"With Google" I suspect it is a branding that is gong to be coming to all devices running JB out of the gate going forward.
As nice as this device looks, is this supposed to compete with the Note 2? It seems to have no extra software tailored to use the extra real estate in any meaningful way over the One S even. Likewise 2000mAh battery on a 1080p screen? Unless the sharp screen technology is extremely energy efficient or I'd be surprised to see the device push 3 hours of screen on time at automatic brightness, which given its push as a media consuming / watching device because of its full HD screen is a bit woeful.
To me the device is a bit like 'the emperors new clothes'....
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I think you're right, it's neither here or there in terms of size. If they were going to go direct with the Samsung they needed a bigger battery (at least 3000mah) and a 5.5 inch screen. I think this is just a "big phone", not a true phablet.

Holy crap!
That is amazing!
I'd trade in my HOX for that bad boy!
It has seriously good looks, has an MicroSD card slot, yes yes yes!
Onboard storage is lacking but I'm guessing that's to conserve space for the MicroSD slot, so meh...
I wonder how thin and light it is!

Its also called the Butterfly not the Butterly.

If you ask me, and you haven't, but I'll put my two cents worth in anyway! It just looks a little taller than the One X. Width and depth seem similar given the "impression" the pics give. Obviously HTC have more to offer than just a bigger screen unlike Apple with their iPhone 5!!!!

Pixel Density of 440ppi as opposed to the iPhone 5's 326ppi, take that retina display!

D: I hope this comes to Europe it looks amazing!
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Dear Santa......
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i KNOW hamdir is gonna go crazy when he sees this phone lol
1080p + s4 pro + 2gb ram + 4.1.1 jb
well, at least htc is improving their phones(which were already amazing, but now best by far)
now they only gotta work on their updates and customer service

massalami said:
now they only gotta work on their updates and customer service
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+1
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massalami said:
i KNOW hamdir is gonna go crazy when he sees this phone lol
1080p + s4 pro + 2gb ram + 4.1.1 jb
well, at least htc is improving their phones(which were already amazing, but now best by far)
now they only gotta work on their updates and customer service
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And nagging devs to optimize games for Tegra3!
I'm almost annoyed I'm in a contract for my HOX now as I know I'm going to want that so hard when it's released!
So much for HTC not diluting the market this year!!!

This phone will also be waterproof, the nexus variant will be released when the LG nexus is announced. It says on the back of the device with google because it probably has the hardware specs that meet the standards of the Nexus program.
Their are a lot if people saying that this phone has with google because it runs jelly bean out the box not true. Their are many device being released with jelly bean with no with google on the back if it.
Another reason why I believe this is a nexus phone because surely when they unveiled it they would have talked about the hardware but they didn't, because if they do then what are they going to talk about when they unveil the nexus edition in the coming weeks. They also have sad this phone will be available during December so why announce it now.
This is HTC's way of hinting they will be releasing a nexus phone. It looks best in black because then the finish of it is not shiny. Another thing I have noticed is the charger port has a flap that obviously points to it being water proof. They have only spoken about the display ppi they haven't spoken about the screen tech. This will only be spoken about when the google nexus phones are unveiled.
This is certainly the best nexus phone coming out easily beating the LG nexus. The only thing I want from this now is a good battery life which I think will be the same as the one x U.S variant, but slightly better since it will have android 4.2 running on it
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But why still 8MP camera? Sharp announced 16MP already and I am expecting at least 12MP...
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/17/...nning-5-inch-1080p-j-butterfly-phone-in-japan

Albert Poon said:
But why still 8MP camera? Sharp announced 16MP already and I am expecting at least 12MP...
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I thought we had moved on from the megapixel myth. Bigger is not always better....

I hope it still has use of the HTC Image Sense chip.

Looks great, but I honestly still like the One X's design better. Also, that new Sense variation looks weird, what with those strange icons on the left.

^^^
It's probably customizable, those could be widgets.

[Q] Lg G3 looks Fabulous! What do you think?

Found this on Phonearena.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-LG-G3-press-renders-appear-showing-the-QHD-flagship-in-all-its-brushed-finish-glory_id56116
On the page they have 5 great shots available at the moment.
I think they look gorgeous!
What do you think?
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Black model is great !

uh.. Definitly a YES. First thing to do is to swipe through it with finger tops..(I hope it's not "praying to fly out of the hand" material)

What the.....
This cant be real, i will switch from g2 if this is real. This is Samsung Killer

Looks nice indeed, but the sheer size of it and 5.5" + 2K display running on the same battery capacity as the G2 doesn't really add up. Makes the phone a bit tough to consider. Things may change on the announcement day, though.

I dont think those are official pics. They are press renders of all leaks.

Sharpshooterrr said:
Looks nice indeed, but the sheer size of it and 5.5" + 2K display running on the same battery capacity as the G2 doesn't really add up. Makes the phone a bit tough to consider. Things may change on the announcement day, though.
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BUT s801 is more advanced and eventually consumes less energy. People would hope it's a smaller production set but i don't think it's gonna be s805(with s805 it would be total overkill)
But I'm pretty happy with my g2. Let us face it - whatever phone you buy - you will make 1st impression. After few days you will develop more impressions: negative and positive(yes..every product (stuff..) has : "I like this, I don't like that, people react different to what they see, feel, hear etc..).

This phone will be a mistake if it comes with SD801, it demands SD805 to couple with 2K screen.
The top competition is also on SD801, but they will be rendering much less pixels on FHD screens, so definitely, games will be much more slugish on G3.
It will be FHD 2,073,600 pixels VS QHD 3,686,400 pixels, something around 75% more pixels.

I wish they kept the bottom bezel clear glass as the G2.
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I know these aren't the official photos as most mentioned it's just a leak renders but if it happens to be what we see here when they announce it on the 27th of this month I will make my first jump to LG.
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I love it... Very nice. I do think this is how it will look because it matches every single leak I have seen, just a lot clearer photo

I hope it turns out exactly as pictured! Its gorgeous! Even thought rumors says it will have a SD801...I'm hoping for the SD805 for future proofing as well as directly competing to the rumored S5 prime. Regardless...the black/Gray G3 will be mine when it releases!
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Dont have my g2 long enough to switch.. Looks really great.. German websites as giga.de or androidpit are excepting an sd805. I think it will be so. An 801 is imo not enough for a 2014 flagship
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Looks amazing...
I just bought G2 recently and that's been a blast but heck this G3 takes it to another level...
I want and I want it now! Black or gold plz.

It will fail if it will be sd801 + 2k display... that doesnt make any sense :\ Anyway design is beautiful

This phone will come with S805
Phonearena said S801 is for G3 prototype.
And qualcomm said S805 phone will come at may
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if snapdragon 600 can handle FHD, 801 can handle QHD without breaking a sweat. For me a minor frame rate drop wouldn't matter cause I yawn @ gaming.

daraj said:
I dont think those are official pics. They are press renders of all leaks.
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hamad138 said:
What the.....
This cant be real, i will switch from g2 if this is real. This is Samsung Killer
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BA0714 said:
I know these aren't the official photos as most mentioned it's just a leak renders but if it happens to be what we see here when they announce it on the 27th of this month I will make my first jump to LG.
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SKyRocKeting727 said:
I hope it turns out exactly as pictured! Its gorgeous! Even thought rumors says it will have a SD801...I'm hoping for the SD805 for future proofing as well as directly competing to the rumored S5 prime. Regardless...the black/Gray G3 will be mine when it releases!
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It's for real guys... Chk this official teaser by LG.
Looks like a Hollywood movie trailer..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Xm26Zvo18

It looks great in my opinion, I like they keep the volume and power buttons in the back, I have the G2 and I'm very used to that now.
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looks amazing
LG stepping up their design, and they are improving their UI too, i think i am going to save some money to get this beauty