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Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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Not correct. LG already has WP7 phone with keyboard.
My "perfect" device would rather be SE. I truly hate HTC design,
it's tacky and tasteless.
Camera's aren't great either.
I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?
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I'm sorry but what's SE? Do you mean Sony Ericsson?
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Ah yes. SE is that.
i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...
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i don't know if design is a very important issue when it comes to a phone, but I was talking more about functionality when I referred to HTC. Also I don't think the HTC Touch Pro 2 looks "tacky and tasteless" at all. It actually has a very modern finish and it looks sleek. The tilt of the screen only reinforces the look. I do like SE, because it has created quality phones for years now. However, the problem with SE is that they are not willing to compete for market share to the same extent as HTC. This leaves their products bland and inferior to the technology that HTC is using. It seems like they are playing catch-up every time they release a phone, just look at Xperia...
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I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.
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I know what you mean.
No doubt HTC does tremendous work, however remember SE produces also feature phones,
while HTC is smartphones only manufacturer.
But they did also great work in software....
Design - for me it's important. Also software, UI.
Now UI will be pretty the same everywhere....
Of course I only express my opinions. TouchPro 2 looks nice,
however I see X1/X2 much better in this regard.
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There's going to be an Xperia with WP7 but it does look like it won't beready at launch. They will be a month or two (this is a guess) late for the launch.
I remember seeing them listed on the original hardware partners list but they are absent on the initial release list.
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The Dell Lightning phone looks like the one to beat right now. http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/dell-lightning-the-ultimate-windows-phone-7-device-leaks-out/
Asus is the manufacturer of the slate WP7 prototype they've showed off some. It seems that HTC has a run for it's money. Here's hoping that they can put something out that can beat these.
ya but the keyboard on the Dell lightning is on the short side, which is kind of redundant in terms of functionality and that's going to be a big factor when it comes to sales.
Completely agree!
Hope at least some of that specs can be found on the successor of Rhodium.
I really like HTC designs, I won´t go for another brand really...
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Probably the best way for WM7 to sell those millions of phones that Ballmer has predicted would be to work even closer with HTC.
The Ultimate WM7 phone would be the HTC Touch Pro 3 with a 4.3 inch screen, the same tilt screen with HD definition, the same amazing physical keyboard, a 1.5 ghz Snapdragon processor, 512 mb RAM, 62gb micro sd enabled, and a 8 megapixel camera with 8x zoom and HD video enabled. Man that would be an amazing phone.
Oh yeah, also, I've heard rumours that the hardware requirements of Microsoft for WM7 don't allow a physical keyboard, is that corrrect?
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I has a dream of a Asus bamboo wp7 device last night. but it will never happen, it was just a dream
I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.
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I actually love this Dell design, we'll see if it comes real.
The device which doesn't have to be flipped to write on hardware qwerty is a dream.
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I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.
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I've always loved the portrait slider form factor. With a portrait slider you still get the benefit of the hardware buttons but you can easily type with both hands or with a single hand.
I really want it but I think on the leaked material it said it was going to be on Sprint. I'm really hoping that the Samsung phone, due to that massive camera, will come to Verizon so I can buy it.
I live a bit off the beaten path and the only carrier that gives me good coverage at home, work, and inbetween is Verizon.
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Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.
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Well I almost never buy phones from carriers but from manufacturer.
We'll see how about that.
The question is actually when I'll be able really to get it in Poland.
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Countries at Launch:
■Australia
■Austria
■Belgium
■Canada
■France
■Germany
■Hong Kong
■India
■Ireland
■Italy
■Mexico
■New Zealand
■Singapore
■Spain
■Switzerland
■UK
■US
Languages:
English, French, Italian, German and Spanish
Depending on what languages you can speak you might be able to buy one and have it shipped from Germany since it's closer or possibly the UK. Since Europe is GSM you should be able to just pop your SIM card in there. However, you probably won't be able to use zunePass and potentially marketplace access (at least for paid apps)
It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.
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It's also available in other countries than that list. It's not Apple, so the individual manufactures are allowed to sell it in all regions they want to.
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Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.
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Wrong. Those 17 countries and five languages are the only ones that will have the devices at launch. You may be able to import the devices to other countries but you won't have access to the marketplace or zunePass.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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I don't think so.
Feel free to think what you like. I prefer to stick to what the local Microsoft evangelists says in public here.
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No, you're wrong.
Perhaps you should call your local Microsoft office, and get their opinion if it's released in your country -- because mine say it's released in mine, and mine aren't on that list.
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It depends on when it will get released. The countries listed are for the INITIAL release in October/November. Other countries are slated for later dates. I think I heard of a second release for a month or two after the initial but nothing is set in stone since there hasn't been a press release. I'm guessing that the countries for the second release aren't finalized yet due to no official list being leaked. But for the initial release it'll be only for those countries listed above.
hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.
With WP7, the specs are all standardized. The options are pretty much personal decisions..
How much storage do you want?
Do you value a physical keyboard?
Which do you think looks the best?
How big of a screen do you want?
What models will work on your carrier (this will probably limit you the most)?
Noone can answer those questions for you. The things that would affect longevity (CPU, RAM) are all standard on WP7 so really won't differ much if at all.
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hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.
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go with hTC Hd3~ haha
question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above
I looking for more of a Touch Pro3 type device. Although I would love to see a 4"+ screen with a slide out keyboard.
I'll probably end up with a Samsung whenever I decide to switch. I don't know what it is, but I always ended up with a Samsung in my pocket for the last 4-5 years now.
I went from the Samsung i630 -> i760 -> Omnia II (i920)
Probably has to do more with Verizon being my provider than any affinity I have for Samsung.
what I'm wondering, .I'm from the netherlands, and also wantto buy it in october, but the dutch version won't be there then yet. So, can I also buy the english version here, or do I need to export it?
cheers
vic
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question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above
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According to pdadb.net the HTC Mondrian/Schubert /Mozart's predecessor model is the HD2, so basically, this will be the HD3.
pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2388&c=htc_mondrian__schubert__mozart
But to answer your question, RustyGrom couldn't have said it any better, but the best thing to do right now is not to get into any contracts until at least November, I just canceled Sprint and now have and HD2 with T-Mob, contract less...
I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.
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I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.
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I liked the square Asus was it...there was something else square that looked nice...was it another Samsung maybe? But it's weird...that samsung taylor prototype look has grown on me, lol. But I can't wait to see reviews instead of leaks.
PDADB?
Is there another site that organizes the upcoming models better?
Well, as always Sprint is last to get a phone. The only positive is lately Sprint has the best looking and performing phones out (Evo and Epic). I hope this trend continues and Sprint drops a real monster this winter.
There is a decent round up here...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35093/windows-phone-7-launch-phones
now we know the models that are being released which is gonna be best, now im more prone to the hd7 or the omnia 7 manly being screen size not sure which yet. So which would you pick and why?
I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.
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I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.
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ditto - plus SD card support as well if that pans out.
From people who have had hands-on sessions and the lucky few who have received their review units already, I've been hearing Mozart and Omnia are the nicest. The general consensus seems to be that the HD7 doesn't feel quite right, too big, too shiny and WP7 somehow feels better on the smaller screens.
The Trophy seems to be winning a lot of praise too, though I think that's on the presumption that it will be quite a bit cheaper than the Mozart.
Yeah the Mozart is a very nice looking device. My only concern is no SAMOLED. I agree with the above post about WP7 looking best with an AMOLED screen. However, I'm not too sure I want a phone with Samsung's build quality. Decisions.. decisions..
The LG phones actually look good in the reviews Ive seen which is a bit of a shocker as Ive never like LG for phones that much in the past...
Well... I prefer the HD7... it just looks like THE WP7 device... it just stands out, that gorgeous 4.3 inch screen? that beautiful camera(2 LED!), the stand! the other devices are small and weak... the Dell one just looks ugly(I thought it looked like the BlackBerry Style)
Still, speed is no issue with any of them...
Wow is all I can say...I bought the focus and the UI blew me away as soon as I turned it on, I bought the focus. I have used all the mobile OS and this by far is the most sleek, easy to use, and just plain nice of all, I don't miss c&p bug I do miss multitasking in apps like last.fm, I can still send it back and get something else, but what's better then this? I'm typing this from wp7 now and man this keyboard is awesome, the level of little details they put into wp7 is crazy, gotta say I'm really impressed here, I'm sticking with this for a while to see where this goes, hopefully MS stays true to their word and keeps on supporting with updates, as for apps, I've come to realize that I don't need a million apps, I only use like 20 anyway, but it seems to be growing fast anyway. All in all super impressed with wp7,9/10 from me and if this keeps getting better, I don't see myself going back to anything else.
Yea I played with the Focus today at the AT&T(worst wireless carrier in the universe) store and I love the UI and how smooth the OS is. I'm currently on Evo 4G, but I'm considering WP7 once it comes to Sprint. I previously had the iPhone 3GS and WP7 user experience is very comparable with iOS. While I like Android the lack of GPU acceleration is a huge issue, until that's implemented the user experience will never compare to iOS and WP7. I'm holding out for the January update to see if MS adds free turn by turn navigation, better landscape support(what idiot decided that you can't input a URL in landscape mode?), flash and copy and paste.
Is there a list of wp7 problems or missing features? Cause it seems like I'm missing very little atm.
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Is there a list of wp7 problems or missing features? Cause it seems like I'm missing very little atm.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814075
first pinned thread.
though i'm happy with my phone.
Believe it Or not I am very tempted to get an n8 as well, saw it in person and wow, what excellent hardware!! And it does all those little things like mass storage etc. Anyone here have an n8?
N8, looks great. But lacks balls and has a very crappy OS. Know of two friends whom have returned them. Due to bad reception and a buggy slow OS playing up..
Go Android or if you must iPh or W7 if you want all that exchange compatibility with MS apps etc at work.
That's where it is at...
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solidkevin: The windows phone might have some small problems but that nothing compared to the N8. I only hear bad stories from people that have that phone.
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N8, looks great. But lacks balls and has a very crappy OS. Know of two friends whom have returned them. Due to bad reception and a buggy slow OS playing up..
Go Android or if you must iPh or W7 if you want all that exchange compatibility with MS apps etc at work.
That's where it is at...
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Symbian has way better Exchange functionality than Windows Phone 7. WP7 may not be thoroughly suitable for serious business use until Q3/Q4 2011. It's not the device/OS to get if you want great Exchange support. An HD2 or Blackberry Torch would be optimal for business use (assuming you like Touchscreens, otherwise a Bold would do).
There is no comparison between WM6.5/Symbian and WP7 when it comes to Exchange support. WP7's support is actually kind of embarassing considering it comes from Microsoft, TBQH. It's better than Android at least, and maybe on par with iOS, or perhaps a little worse than Apple, even - at the moment, at least.
Yes, the N8 isn't the best device, but it works well. Nokia will be patching Symbian the same way MS will be patching WP7. If you can deal with Windows Phone 7 and its functionality gaps, etc. then I don't see why anyone can simply discount an N8 when it's not out of the realm of possibility that it too can/will benefit from updates from Nokia.
Symbian also supports the ActiveSync Protocol, more Media formats, more DRM formats (including Windows Media DRM for syncing ZunePass subscription content to the phone).
The worse thing about Symbian is the user interface and the Screen Resolution of their touchscreen phones (what an odd choice of resolution, IMO).
I'm not even gonna continue. I've gotten my point across by now, hopefully.
The Samsung Focus is available for 79 bucks on contract at the local Wal-Mart here. The 8GB storage is a showstopper, though. I'm not playing SD Roulette with a phone. 16GB is the bare minimum I can put up with. The build quality isn't all that great. The back cover pulls off like a cheap hooker's bra.
TBQH, the only WP7 device I feel is worth buying is the Dell Venue Pro. Fortunately it's on T-Mobile and I get Corporate Discounts from Dell, so I'm sort of thinking about it. It's a shame the HD7 has such terrible build quality with such a bad LCD on it... Thoroughly pissed me off...
But I'm going to wait until CES. Maybe an Android device from a decent manufacturer will come out and I will stick it out here.
Judging from what Microsoft is saying, it's gonna take them a year to really get WP7 functionality up to par and judging form my experience with this phone... I simply don't have the patience for that...
I also want to see if RIM will come out with a decent Touchscreen phone soon with a more refined/better OS on it, as well. We'll see at CES. I'm holding off all purchases until then.
Well while I AM enjoying the focus at the moment, I am waiting for CES as well, I want to see what everyone offers as far as Android and Hopefully Nokia shows what it plans to do with Symbian because if it gets a revamp, I may have to get the N8, I will have a lot of money to spend, because I sold the extra focus I had (buy one get one free ATT), so If I want something else I can sell this one as well. But yea hopefully theres some interesting things at CES, really just Android and Symbian are what interest me though.
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Well while I AM enjoying the focus at the moment, I am waiting for CES as well, I want to see what everyone offers as far as Android and Hopefully Nokia shows what it plans to do with Symbian because if it gets a revamp, I may have to get the N8, I will have a lot of money to spend, because I sold the extra focus I had (buy one get one free ATT), so If I want something else I can sell this one as well. But yea hopefully theres some interesting things at CES, really just Android and Symbian are what interest me though.
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Isn't it just Nokia now who are actively developing Symbian?
Symbian will be ditched to midend and Meego or however it's called will be used as highend platform. Known for months.
Symbian development is over for me. Nokia has a reeeaally hard time to give really competitive hardwarwe. I would forget it.
And yes, only Nokia does Symbian. All of the rest kicked it out, significant move.
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Symbian has way better Exchange functionality than Windows Phone 7. WP7 may not be thoroughly suitable for serious business use until Q3/Q4 2011. It's not the device/OS to get if you want great Exchange support. An HD2 or Blackberry Torch would be optimal for business use (assuming you like Touchscreens, otherwise a Bold would do).
There is no comparison between WM6.5/Symbian and WP7 when it comes to Exchange support. WP7's support is actually kind of embarassing considering it comes from Microsoft, TBQH. It's better than Android at least, and maybe on par with iOS, or perhaps a little worse than Apple, even - at the moment, at least.
Yes, the N8 isn't the best device, but it works well. Nokia will be patching Symbian the same way MS will be patching WP7. If you can deal with Windows Phone 7 and its functionality gaps, etc. then I don't see why anyone can simply discount an N8 when it's not out of the realm of possibility that it too can/will benefit from updates from Nokia.
Symbian also supports the ActiveSync Protocol, more Media formats, more DRM formats (including Windows Media DRM for syncing ZunePass subscription content to the phone).
The worse thing about Symbian is the user interface and the Screen Resolution of their touchscreen phones (what an odd choice of resolution, IMO).
I'm not even gonna continue. I've gotten my point across by now, hopefully.
The Samsung Focus is available for 79 bucks on contract at the local Wal-Mart here. The 8GB storage is a showstopper, though. I'm not playing SD Roulette with a phone. 16GB is the bare minimum I can put up with. The build quality isn't all that great. The back cover pulls off like a cheap hooker's bra.
TBQH, the only WP7 device I feel is worth buying is the Dell Venue Pro. Fortunately it's on T-Mobile and I get Corporate Discounts from Dell, so I'm sort of thinking about it. It's a shame the HD7 has such terrible build quality with such a bad LCD on it... Thoroughly pissed me off...
But I'm going to wait until CES. Maybe an Android device from a decent manufacturer will come out and I will stick it out here.
Judging from what Microsoft is saying, it's gonna take them a year to really get WP7 functionality up to par and judging form my experience with this phone... I simply don't have the patience for that...
I also want to see if RIM will come out with a decent Touchscreen phone soon with a more refined/better OS on it, as well. We'll see at CES. I'm holding off all purchases until then.
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Good post. You made some valid points, but I got the impression that you believe MS dropped the ball with WP7, and I don't believe that to be a true..or even fair assessment.
It is the nature of version 1.0 of just about anything to be incomplete..to be a work in progress. In regards to smart phone OS's, its always been that way. iOS v1.0 was very limited, as was Android 1.0, and so on so forth. I was an early adopter of both platforms and was at times frustrated by the limitations. But, as an early adopter I understood that this was the way it usually is, and that things would gradually flesh out.
For me, iOS never did "flesh out" enough. I've always loved the smoothness and general quality of iOS and the iPhone, but I found myself bored by it. Android did grow and develop quickly enough to keep me engaged, and I still enjoy the control I have when using Android...and also enjoy that the relatively open nature of it allows be to constantly tinker with my device. But, even though I usually enjoy doing so, the main reason I'm always tinkering with my Android devices is because I've never been satisfied with how they felt. I hate the apparently inherent choppiness and occasional lag of Android, and my main motivation for rooting my Android devices had always been to try to get rid that.
Somewhere between those 2 extremes lies WP7. Yes, in some regards it is limited. But, I can accept this for now because, as I mentioned earlier it is v1.0 and I know these limitations are being worked on as we speak. Many people are refusing to accept that, though...and it seems that you're one of them.
The gist of the argument seems to be that MS came late to the party, so they had already known what the dress code was, and shouldve showed up fully decked out. That they shouldn't have released v1.0 until it matched its contemporaries feature for feature. I disagree with this. I think MS was right in getting a v1.0 that provided the basic user experience that they were aiming for out there as soon as was possible. Did this strategy suddenly propel WP7 to the top of the smart phone world? No, not even close. But it has managed to grab just about everyone's attention...and has solidified it's position as a viable player. I believe that is all MS wanted to accomplish by rushing to release v1.0 just before the holiday season...and I also believe that it was better for them to do so than for them to sit out until after the holidays.
I am convinced that WP7 v1.0 is the best 1.0 smart phone OS released to date. I think that MS got the basics incredibly right...and that the limitations are going to begin to be addressed very soon. Yes, MS was late to the party, but they've shown up with more style than anyone else, if not with as much substance...and they are moving much faster than both Google and Apple did to provide said substance. WP7 is a joy to interact with. It is beautiful. It's fun. So much so, that despite the current limitations, I choose to use my HD7 as my daily driver...and to leave my Android phones at home.
WP7 is in many ways very good right now, and it has an extremely bright future. I can understand that some of you don't have the patience to wait for WP7 to catch up in the few areas that it's lacking in, but such patience is a prerequisite of being a happy early adopter. If you can't enjoy experiencing the growth process of a new platform, then maybe being an early adopter isn't for you. But, please people, don't make it seem like MS blew it in regards to WP7, because that couldn't be further from the truth.
Oh, one last thing. How in the world does the HD7 have horrible build quality?? Yes, as you tilt the phone away from the optimal viewing angle, the colors somewhat fade. It is not an AMOLED screen and the black levels pale in comparison..quite literally. But, when I use my phone, I tend to keep it within the optimal viewing angles...and within those parameters, the HD7's screen displays good and VERY natural colors..unlike the overwhelmingly oversaturated colors that my Galaxy S displays...and without any banding.
Also, I love the 4.3" screen. Those extra .3" make a real difference. Do I prefer the outrageously deep blacks and the incredibly effective viewing angles of the Super AMOLED screen? Yes, if course. But, I prefer my HD7's spacious, natural looking screen in every other way.
Outside of the screen though, I don't see how anyone can critize it's quality. I've owned MANY top of the line mobile devices, and none have felt better in the hand than the HD7. It looks good and feels good because HD7 uses high quality materials..unlike Samsung. People complain about the thinness of the back cover. It is just as thin..or thick, as the one on the Evo...and I don't see anyone criticizing it's quality. Despite being thin, it feels great when attached to the phone. The soft touch surface is great.
I'm also aware of the complaints about a relatively large gap between the removable and fixed portions if the back of the phone. I found this to be an optical illusion caused by the unfortunate location of the white sim card right where it's partially visible through the gap. But, I found an easy fix. I pulled my SIM card and colored the upper third of it with a black sharpie. Guess what...after that, the so called huge gap magically disappeared. The gap itself is no larger than on most phones. The location of the sim card was the problem. It looks great after taking a sharpie to it.
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The build quality of the HD7 is terrible compared to the Dell Venue Pro. HTC was never known for having superior build quality. The HD2 was pretty good, though. Don't know why they paid so little attention to the HD7...
The HD7 has basically the same LCD panel from the Evo and/or HD2. It's not a good panel. It has bad color saturation and terrible viewing angles. It's also overly reflective. Size can only make up for so much, but you can get a Dell Venur Pro 16GB on contract for $50 less than an HD7 and the screen is only 0.2" smaller. The HD7 is a pretty bad phone by current standards. They used parts from last year to build a phone this year, and it's pretty apparent if you look at it next to other WP7 devices.
You can harp on the oversaturation in sAMOLED panels, but the fact and the matter is that it blows this crappy HD7 panel out of the water in almost any category. Viewing Angles, Brightness, Color Representation, etc. It's a bad screen. You can't make excuses for that... It almost looks foggy compared to an AMOLED panel (even something like the MyTouch 4G screen is obviously better).
Also, it has a smaller battery than some Blackberry Curve smartphones. 1150 mAh... Seriously? Anyone who uses their phone moderately will not be able to get good battery life out of that. It may be fine for YOU, at least now, especially with no third-party multi-tasking (this also makes WP7 perform artificially better compared to competing products - it only has to do one task at a time), but once that update comes and you're running 3-4 apps concurrently it will nosedize. All reviews has been pretty negative on the small battery in the phone.
The camera also isn't anything to rave about.
The materials used to build the phone are pretty dubious.
Build quality means the hardware build quality. It has nothing to do with the software.
Moving on to the software (WP7). Yes, they dropped the ball. They missed an opportunity to get a ton of frustrated Nokia and RIM users, as well as pick off more Android/iOS users when they decided to rush the OS out 6-12 months early with entire classes of functinality missing.
WP7 fails as a business phone right now, and Microsoft saying they're focusing on consumers is nothing short of an excuse. They said it will take almost a year to bake the business into the phone, so obviously that was in the roadmap. What they did was rush it out to try to save face while they "finished' the job. Coming from Android and Windows Mobile, some people are tired waiting on Manufacturers, etc. to "finish the job" while they sit there with a down syndrome phone saying "look how smooth it is, it's worth it!"
No HTML5 in the browser. No multi-tasking, C&P, embarassing Exchange Policy Support for a Microsoft OS, a user interface that in several areas looks like only 5 minutes was dedicated to design (Calendar, Dialer, etc.), lack of Flash (oand/r Silverlight), etc. Even blackberries have an HTML browser, now Not to mention WP7 didn't evne attempt to really exploit the enhancements made in Microsoft Exchange to convince business users to use it instead of RIM/Nokie/WM6.5 devices...
If you read my posts in this thread, you can clearly see that I'm not some Anti-WP7 fanboi.
But I think some people are making this OS to be way better than it actually is.
It really isn't revolutionary in any way, and falls on it face in many areas given what competing products can do and [rightfully] assuming competing products will improve as well.
The only thing that's really good about WP7 is the fact that it doubles up as a ZuneHD.
But a ZuneHD is cheaper than a whole smartphone and at this point in time it's almost worth buying an Andriod/iOS device and carrying a (much smaller) ZuneHD around than buying a WP7 device.
The hardware isn't all that good right now (will probably make a lot of "early adopters" mad at CES), and the manufacturers are paying little attention to what they're putting out.
If the Dell Venue Pro was in T-Mobile stores they would hardly sell any HD7s.
Sorry, gotta disagree about the dvp. It has already been recalled twice due to issues. How can you be confident that you will get 2 years out of it?
Coming from the hd2, the hd7 screen is fine. Maybe coming from a vibrant, its an issue, but I have seen more complaints about oversaturation and color banding of the focus screen then I have of the "washed out" look of the hd7.
I was a little worried about the back of the hd7, coming from the brushed aluminum back of the hd2, but since I'm not having to constantly pop the back to reset the phone, the back is no longer a worry and the texture is nice.
I've owned 4 HTC devices and overall the phones have been great. The best of them all (the hd2), is the only one that I had to replace due to failure. I consider that pretty good.
Maybe some early adopters will be frustrated by CES, but I doubt it. There haven't been many leaks of newer wp7 devices on the horizon. I think it might be fall before the next Gen wp7 devices hit, a full year after the hd7, which is about normal for new devices.
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I had an hd2 before this. I'm not blind and pretty much every review said the screen was pretty bad.
Dev has a warranty. Ill get enough time out of it until I get a mew device, if I get it. It a better phone than the hd7, in every imaginable way.
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N8er
So now after fighting with everybody and proving WP7 is the best,
you say it basically sucks?
Hard to believe.
And apparently you don't have WP7 device?
It's all well and good comparing feature lists, but really when you are talking about a smart mobile phone, it comes down to usability.
I put up with the quirks of WM5, 6.1 and 6.5 for a few years. While it did technically have a lot of features, it was slow and a pain in the ass to use. And if anyone not familiar with the phone used it they were immediately lost.
Now I'm using WP7 (HD7) since October and it just works. It's fast and everything is intuitive and makes sense. And oddly enough I am only very rarely missing some advanced features. For example, I thought I'd be crippled without tethering, but as it turns out I am using my laptop via tethering much less when I'm travelling because the mobile browser and mobile apps on WP7 are so much better than any previous mobile browsers I'd used, so I'm more likely to use it rather than just getting frustrated and dragging out the laptop to use the "proper" browser. The great WP7 keyboard has a lot to do with this.
And if I lend my phone to someone else so they can make a call or check their email or whatever, they can use it! WP7 passes the idiot test! I would actually get this phone for my father!
A few days ago I met a techy friend who's a nokia die-hard, he had just purchased the N8. We swapped phones for half an hour to test them out, and the look on his face afterwards was proof enough that MS is on to something. My initial impression of the N8 software was that Nokia hasn't changed their OS since 1999. There was an impressive list of features for sure, if you could find them, as the menu system and shortcuts confused the hell out of me. And fonts were tiny everywhere. Maybe I'm just spoiled by WP7 now, but the experience of using the N8 was dreadful.
TLDR; You can compare a list of features as much as you like to see which is best; but you have to experience it to appreciate it. And WP7 seems to have the edge in this regard at the moment, even above iOS and Android.
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Sorry, gotta disagree about the dvp. It has already been recalled twice due to issues. How can you be confident that you will get 2 years out of it?
Coming from the hd2, the hd7 screen is fine. Maybe coming from a vibrant, its an issue, but I have seen more complaints about oversaturation and color banding of the focus screen then I have of the "washed out" look of the hd7.
I was a little worried about the back of the hd7, coming from the brushed aluminum back of the hd2, but since I'm not having to constantly pop the back to reset the phone, the back is no longer a worry and the texture is nice.
I've owned 4 HTC devices and overall the phones have been great. The best of them all (the hd2), is the only one that I had to replace due to failure. I consider that pretty good.
Maybe some early adopters will be frustrated by CES, but I doubt it. There haven't been many leaks of newer wp7 devices on the horizon. I think it might be fall before the next Gen wp7 devices hit, a full year after the hd7, which is about normal for new devices.
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"over saturation and color banding", I have no idea what you are talking about. I have had the focus for a week now and the screen is amazing. I don't even use my laptop any longer, just IE on the Focus. I was an HTC advocate for years (8125, 8525, FUZE) and switched to the Focus after careful consideration and will never look back. I have heard these criticisms of the screen and quite frankly don't see any of it. Am I just lucky? I have been to three ATT stores and played with 3 different Focus's before buying and did not experience these screen issues.
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I had an hd2 before this. I'm not blind and pretty much every review said the screen was pretty bad.
Dev has a warranty. Ill get enough time out of it until I get a mew device, if I get it. It a better phone than the hd7, in every imaginable way.
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the reviews I've read, had the screen as the "worst" of the wp7 phones, but due to bigger color range of wp7, the screen looked better than the hd2. Being the worst of the wp7 phones, is like saying the worst between a lcd, a plasma, and a dlp t.v. They are all perfectly acceptable, some people like lcd, some like plasma, I like dlp because it looks better for sports.
As far as the dvp begin better than the hd7, what are you basing this on? Hardly anyone has been able to get their hands on one. You can't go to a store and try it out since its only coming through dell and MS.
HD7 has a bigger screen, and more RAM.
Hell, even engadget can't get a review out because their demo units keep breaking...
We get it, you hate the hd7, but I don't think the dvp is any better.
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"over saturation and color banding", I have no idea what you are talking about. I have had the focus for a week now and the screen is amazing. I don't even use my laptop any longer, just IE on the Focus. I was an HTC advocate for years (8125, 8525, FUZE) and switched to the Focus after careful consideration and will never look back. I have heard these criticisms of the screen and quite frankly don't see any of it. Am I just lucky? I have been to three ATT stores and played with 3 different Focus's before buying and did not experience these screen issues.
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http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...nding-issue-microsoft-could-partially-fix-it/
I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.
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Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
paperclips said:
No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.
MartyLK said:
Actually, from my experience with DesireHD on my HD2, I would say you are coming out of it on top by going with the DesireHD. This is an Android version like no other. It's gorgeous and offers excellent customization features like the skins and such. Plus the actual DesireHD hardware is also purely gorgeous.
You may think you are losing by not being able to go with WP7, but I see it the other way. You get so many features with DesireHD that WP7 doesn't have. And if the actual DesireHD UI is anything like the HD2 DesireHD ROM, the UI is silky smooth and a luscious. It's as smooth as WP7.
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TBH, I have been keeping an eye on what's happening with Android too. You know, just in case WP7 completely failed. I understand it is better for customisation (which I am used to on WM). However, I get the feeling that with WP7 I wouldn't feel the need to customise beyond wallpaper & ringtone. It looks like it just works so well.
I realise how similar the hardware of the HD7 & Desire HD are, hence why this seems to be the sensible alternative. The DHD even has some advantage, such as Alu-body & SLCD screen.
It seems that (unless you are loaded) there always has to be compromise. In this case:
- Handset/hardware
- Network (and therefore service)
- O/S
And unfortunately it seems that O/S is the one to give. Although, as you said, I am sure it won't be a disappointing experience.
brummiesteven said:
I know this is not what you want to hear but the HD7 is only £360 on Pay&Go I bought it on pay & go and now use my T-Mobile sim in it.
You'd be looking at a £30 a month contract anyway so that's the equivalent of 1 year so you'd save £360 which can be used to get a cheap sim only deal.
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I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.
paperclips said:
No... it isn't. Don't get me wrong though, the Desire HD is a very capable phone and with Sense 2.5 it provides what I think is the best Android experience but it isn't quite as smooth as WP7 or iOS yet.
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Perhaps what it needs is a custom ROM to get the best experience? But, despite not having any experience, I certainly feel that HTC are doing some good stuff with Android. Just as they did with WM. It is a shame though, 'cos the short while I spent playing with WP7 was pretty amazing.
Damned network exclusives! That's exactly why I ended up back on Orange (for the original HTC Touch HD).
SilentBob said:
I had considered this...
but only for a couple of seconds.
Unfortunately I do not have the £700+ needed to buy one for me & one for the wife outright. Hence why there always has to be compromise somewhere.
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Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.
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Another option is the HTC Mozart. Like the HD7, the SD Card in the Mozart can be replaced.
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Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.
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Yeah, I have looked at that. It is good looking & very well built, but...
- After trying out the HD7, the screen just seems too small (hard to think that 2.8" was the norm just a couple of years back).
- The storage upgrade would immediately invalidate the warranty.
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I would assume it is possible, albeit tricky, to do it without voiding the warranty. If it broke you'd just pop back the original SD card in.
It does suck, there should be more with 16gb storage or even 32gb. The Samsung Omnia 7 is an awesome phone btw and far better than any of the HTCs (although it's 8gb anyway).
I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7
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I don't know what else to suggest though when is your contract up? If it's not for a while you could wait a bit for the Dell Venue Pro. 4" screen, Micro SD Card slot, Gorilla Glass. Shouldn't be too long for that.
Edit: Turns out you don't have to wait, buymobilephones has it http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/Dell/Dell-Venue-Pro/108,56273
I would seriously consider getting that phone, I wanted it but it was delayed so just went with the HD7
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Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.
Being limited by carrier coverage and subsidies is a pretty lousy situation, but all we can do about it is make the best of it. Due to the coverage where I live, I've signed my life away to AT&T, and thus was able to get the Samsung Focus, which I enjoy very much. If I had the option, though, I think that I'd have held out for the Venue Pro. +0.1" on the screen and a physical keyboard? Yes, please.
Either way, best of luck on your hunt!
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Now that is interesting! I do really like the look of that phone. It would be nice if I could see it in person somewhere, as I am concerned that it could be a bit chunky. But it is certainly classy looking. May have to see if I can track one down somewhere so I can size it up.
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I don't think you will find one, Dell released the Venue Pro via Dell.com, buymobilephones obviously bought a bulk of these and is selling them with contracts.
My best advice to you would be to phone BuyMobilePhones and talk about their cancellation policy. I'm fairly sure they need to give 14 days to return the device under far distance regulations, confirm this with them. Then, go and order the phone. Use it, see what you think and if it's for you.
If not, send it back and cancel the contract. Although, I'm fairly certain you will have found your new phone
Edit: Also, if you're willing to consider o2, they have a pretty good deal on the HD7, compared to o2's contracts anyway:
http://www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phones/HTC/HTC-HD7/O2/O2-25-(24mths)-Free-Internet/7479785
I've used this site before and didn't have any problems btw.
SilentBob said:
I had been eagerly following WP7 news in the run up to release, and despite there being several areas that narked me, I really liked the look of it. Anyway, those areas that were/are a problem will no doubt get dealt with in future updates.
So, I am now pretty much at the end of my current contract and was getting quite excited about the prospect of getting a shiny new WP7. I have been into the O2 shop with my wife to have a play with the HD7 (they are the only shop that have real working handsets for you to try). We BOTH love it. And by it, I mean both the WP7 OS and the device itself. This is where the problems begin... network exclusivity.
O2 have the HD7 (16GB).
Orange have the HTC Mozart (8GB)
Vodaphone have the HTC Trophy (8GB)
and I believe that the Samsung Omnia 7 (8GB) & LG Optimus 7 (8GB) are available on various networks.
I have had HTC Windows based phones since the original SPV. I both really like & trust HTC devices. The Samsung looks and feels cheap & tacky. The LG is just plain ugly. The HTC Trophy & Mozart only have 8GB storage and are both too small for what we want. So the only option for us is the HD7 and we both love it!!!
So, no problem then? Think again. O2 exclusivity is the problem. I cannot use either O2 or Vodafone as both networks have sub-standard coverage where I live. To the extent where it is a real no go. On top of that, as there is no competition for this handset, O2 just do not offer a good tariff/ handset price deal. I will not spend over £35 a month, but may consider spending a bit (but not a small fortune) on the handset. I must also have reasonable data allowance. In fact, WP7 demands this too. 500MB? Just doesn't cut it anymore.
Long story short, as a result I now have to turn to Android and the HTC Desire HD, which is available from all networks on some really competitive deals. This is a real blow considering how much I have been looking forward to WP7.
I just hope that there aren't hundreds of thousands of other people who have had to make the same decision. I hope that a couple of years down the line that WP7 is going strong & that there will be a good variety of handsets available on all networks, so as to give the consumer real choice, and to allow me to finally get the WP7 handset I want on the network of my choice.
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if android is an option, I'd wait a couple more months. Lots of android devices being released with tegra 2 processors that should finally smooth android out (maybe).
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Like I said, I don't know about the actual DesireHD, but my HD2 with DesireHD is. And I do have an HD7 to compare it to.
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It jas worse hardware than a desire hd and I installed the nand android yesterday to try it out. No, doesnt even compare. And it still had a crappy battery.
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SamFirmware is claiming that Samsung is in the process of distancing itself from Windows Phone 7 and increasing its emphasis on Android and especially its own home-grown Bada OS.
Further support for the rumour can be found in both a leaked roadmap which shows only a poorly specified follow-up for the Samsung Omnia 7 in Europe, the Samsung Omnia W, with a small screen and low resolution camera, and a recent FCC disclose of a mildly updated Samsung Omnia 7 with a front-facing camera running Mango, both not demonstrating much effort or emphasis on the OS by Samsung.
http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-rumoured-to-be-stepping-away-from-windows-phone-7/
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Wonder if there is any truth in this..
BadaBing.
we all will die 21 December 2012, u forgot?
so they want to cancel it before, so inside hell they got some small bonus for that.
It's the final countdown...
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we all will die 21 December 2012, u forgot?
so they want to cancel it before, so inside hell they got some small bonus for that.
It's the final countdown...
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And YES.....We all die on Dec 2012 !!!!!! lol....
Siiiiick. Who's next
Sounds to me that someone from SamFirmware got butt hurt because of this thread yesterday and decided to post about the demise of WPx.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251414&page=8
.. In short.. Samfirmware was trying to up the downloads of their firmwares before they would release the RTM mango for Omnia7. Turned into a flame war.
If Samsung has not made a clear roadmap for WPx, it does not mean that they are killing it. This is pure speculation on SamFirmwares part.
Samsung is a very opportunistic company, so anyone who's trying to guess what they will decide in the end of 2012 is dreaming.
That Samsung has no commitment for WP7 now is sort of obvious by their lineup (or lack thereof).
This would make no sense since WP is destined to be the number 2 operating system in a few years according to multiple analysts. I can see Moto not jumping now that they are owned by google but not Samsung. Samsung , HTC ,and Nokia are going to be the 3 major players in the market. But who knows what the legal teams talk about. Maybe Microsoft pissed Samsung off asking a piece of their android sales like with HTC ( $15 per android device )
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we all will die 21 December 2012, u forgot?
so they want to cancel it before, so inside hell they got some small bonus for that.
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That's why the space station exists, to give the big-wigs a place to watch humanity be destroyed...for entertainment.
Well if they doit will not be suprising. Samsung has their own platform and ecosystem which seems to be taking off decently in the grand scheme of things. Plus, they simply don't have the freedom they need to innovate on WP7.
All Microsoft needs now is Nokia. The other's have not shown a legitimate commitment to WPhone. All the WP phone specs and design are lackluster compared to other brands. I think it's to MS advantage to focus on one hardware manufacturer that can create hardware that is totally synergistic with the Mango OS...the same way Apple does with their devices. In the Android market, there is a forgetable phone released every week it seems like. MS needs to focus on one or two very memorable phones to gain mindshare. A high-end phone (more expensive than iPhone or top-end Android), and a mid-range phone.
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Plus, they simply don't have the freedom they need to innovate on WP7.
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I wouldn't worry about Samsung's frustration in this area.
i don't actually mind them backing out... their WP7 and coming known offerings aren't very worthy of consumer money, imho. though, i must admit, them backing out could harm the rest of us with increased pricing. : /
also, i do like the idea (proposed?) at the end of that article. Microsoft should pick up RIM, Blackberry enhancements would do great things for WP7, i imagine.
just my two cents...
sh4d0w86.
samsung's loss if true. bada is going nowhere outside of korea and low-end smart phones (think palm). they now compete head-to-head with htc, but with their vertical hardware component production (e.g., amoled) they have an advantage as long as that remains a leading technology. and have attracted the attention of competitors like apple... but for their hardware+android creations... not a dead-end bada 'ecosystem'.
cheers
tbh who cares? one word Nokia
I have an Omnia 7 now. Whilst the hardware is great, I doubt i'd get another Samsung phone with all the software issues there have been.
I don't expect to have to be putting resistors into my USB port to get into download mode for instance and Samsungs lack of any really decent apps in the market speak volumes.
My contract is up around March time. The thing that sold me on the Omnia was the AMOLED screen and since Nokia seem to be using them it's a bit of a no brainer for me.
The only thing I'd miss would be AMOLEDs, but if Nokia keeps using them (but Clear Black is just a filter, it isn't necessarily AMOLED...), I'm fine. No way I'm going back to LCD.
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I have an Omnia 7 now. Whilst the hardware is great, I doubt i'd get another Samsung phone with all the software issues there have been.
I don't expect to have to be putting resistors into my USB port to get into download mode for instance and Samsungs lack of any really decent apps in the market speak volumes.
My contract is up around March time. The thing that sold me on the Omnia was the AMOLED screen and since Nokia seem to be using them it's a bit of a no brainer for me.
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Super AMOLED+ is so superior to AMOLED, it's kind of insulting and ignorant to compare the AMOLED panels on the DVP or a Nokia phone to the Samsung panels.
Seriously, Samsung's displays are in a league above practically everyone else in all areas except pixel density these days. And I expect to see some qHD mobile displays coming from them soon.
Samsung phones tend to have a number of advantages in hardware:
1. They tend to use NAND Flash instead of SD Cards internally like Dell and HTC (offers better performance)
2. Their Camers are always at least "Good"
3. Their Cell Radios tend to be wildly superior to anything that isn't Motorola
4. Their sound tends to be wildly superior to anything that isn't an iPhone or dedicated media device (Zune or iPod)
5. Their displays are superior to anything else on the market outside of pixel deisity vs some qHD/LG (iPhone) displays
6. Their higih end smartphones always have at least a decent battery size, and aren't weighty
The thing they always miff up, though, is the software. Microsoft was supposed to negate that weakness of thiers, but I guess Samsung always has to find a way to fail ya know
I don't expect a phone OEM to provide flawless software, though. I just want a good phone. Let Microsoft worry about the software. Dunno how they miffed up WP7, but I guess they were trying hard. I think some of the issues were a the wrong ROM being loaded on the phones (focus?) or something...
Samsung is the only OEM outside of Dell that actually put some thought into their flagship WP7 devices (Focus and DVP), so they do deserve a bit of credit.
samsung has the sales numbers in hand (their own information), which most likely m$ wants kept quiet. As a globally present company, they don't care what os is run, so long as the phones sell. They have no alligience to a software platform, only to sales. Nothing would surprise me at this point with the very slow uptake of wpx.
Then again, this thread speculates about things that might happen in 2012-13, which means nothing. The holiday season of 2011 is where the golds at.
aquanaut88 said:
samsung's loss if true. bada is going nowhere outside of korea and low-end smart phones (think palm). they now compete head-to-head with htc, but with their vertical hardware component production (e.g., amoled) they have an advantage as long as that remains a leading technology. and have attracted the attention of competitors like apple... but for their hardware+android creations... not a dead-end bada 'ecosystem'.
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Bada is going nowhere? Millions upon millions sold and its going nowhere?
If Bada is dead end and going nowhere, why is it outselling WP7?
A loss but how big?
Look, I have had the Focus since last December and love it. Sure, it has had some frustrating and random issues but I am a very old guy and grew up with the earliest computers so am accustomed to dealing with these. I bought the Focus mainly for the screen, my eyes aren't what they used to be. I have had all HTC phones prior to the Focus and tweaked, flashed and updated until I grew weary of it, but liked the hardware. I will just go to Nokia or HTC but will not move away from WP7. There will be phones with screens equal to Super AMOLED or better, I have little doubt of that. The support (or lack of it) from Samsung for the phone and software has been terrible so goodbye to a poor company from that standpoint.