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Adding WM6 to any device (nokia, samsung, LG...)

I enjoy using WM6 on my HTC Touch but my problem has always been the physical size of the screen. Even with a VGA screen like the Glofiish phones the 2.8inch screen still falls short. Especially for on screen keyboards. And web browsing.
Having seen the recent releases of devices such as the Iphone, Nokia 810, Samsung F490, LG Viewiety. While we may have our own opinions about these devices, im sure that if WM was running on devices with decent 3-4 inch screens such as what is being offered, WM6 would be a better experience.
Then that got me thinking and i accept i'm opening myself to attack here, but what prevents us taking a samsung F490 or a LG Viewiety or a good mobile that has good screen & processor and flashing it with a WM6 rom?
I know there's alot more to it, but in my inexperienced view, a mobile phone is just hardware & software.
Has anyone heard of OS swapping with mobile devices? How would one have to go about it? What factors would have to be considered?
If there are any links on the subject i'd be quite interested.
Thanks

a rom require specielt drivers for all the hardware present in a phone without them the rom will never boot at all
a rom require a spc addressable space for it's bootloader and the rom itself
if the hardware chipselect model the mem in any other way the rom will never boot
for these reason it require time and access to devices and tools not widely avalible to make a rom for a device
and current version of wm only support ARM cpu all other supported cpu's was drop'd with pocketpc2000

Thanks for the feedback. That gave me a little more understanding.
I hear the iphone uses a 700Mhz ARM Chip and i did think it would be funny if it did run WM6 like you can run vista on a intel mac.
One can but dream.lol!
For now Roll on Sony Ericsson!

and one more reason is that unlike the operating systems running on our pcs installs itself according to the hardware config (e.g max screen resolution) but windows mobile devices are made in a way to be compatible with operating system.
just like wm6 has no chance on a magician.

I didn't realize that, but it makes sense. Maybe in WM7 they will address this providing a more flexible environment? I can see how it can restrict phone manufactures who want to offer more.

wm7 is going to be dual touch sensitive like iphone where we can touch the screen at two places for some functions. this is one of the reason present devices running on wm6 will hardly support wm7.

Some thing to clear about BlueAngel

I have planned to buy O2 XDA IIs from my frnd (2nd hand for sure)
Does it comes under the name, blueangel???
also please tell me pros and cons about this dmobile device
I already own O2 xda exec, typhoon and voyager
what about this one???
cud U, experienced users please guide me....am i gonna upgrade its rom to WM6 or not??

It's a great device, you won't make a mistake It has Intel PXA263 400mhz processor (This is the only thing i don't like in blueangel. It is not so fast. If you plan to play 3d games it is not very good for this. But you can easily overclock it with pocket master to 530mhz. With this frequency it handles everything without Snow Rally - there's a little lag and you can't play Playstation 1 games even if you overclock it to 590. I got 21-23fps in Tony Hawk Pro Skater with @530mhz and Frameskip - 2), 128 ram (This is great! With so much ram you don't need real close button.But there are no applications that wants more than 32 ram, so this is not a big advantage), Big screen and the best design for games(The screen is perfect. It wouldn't be bad if there was VGA screen but QVGA is not so bad either. In web browsing the qvga resolution is a big dissadvantage. You have to scrool a lot. But now there are browsers now that supports Zoom function.With it the browsing is good even on qvga device. When Opera 9.5 comes out it will rock And the design is great for games. It's like joystick when you handle it in landscape position and there are many buttons), 64mb Flash Storage(It's not much but you don't need more. There are SD Cards for that), SD/MMC expansion slot( The bad thing here is that it doesn't support SDHC, there are no drivers for that and there won't be in future ), CIF camera (It is really badd. The image quality is similar. If you try to record video it lags. I don't know why :/ It does it wven in the lowest quality), WiFi( No problems here), Bluetooth (No problems here either), IrDA( It can't be used as a remote controller because the irda range is around 3 meters)
And finally the PocketPC comes with WM2003. You can install WM6.1 but I recommend you to wait for explode's WM6.1. His roms are the best With the new windows the pocket becmoes really fast and stable. That's all, it's a great device

dark_prince said:
I have planned to buy O2 XDA IIs from my frnd (2nd hand for sure)
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Nice choice. I recently picked up a hermes and while it is very nice, there are some things I miss from the Angel.
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Does it comes under the name, blueangel???
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I don't quite understand this question. If you are asking if it was sold under the name of Blue Angel, no. Blue Angel is the HTC internal name for the phone. It was never sold by HTC directly, but to the various cell carriers who rebadged it with their own plastics and ROM/applications.
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also please tell me pros and cons about this dmobile device
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Pros:
Good CPU speed (the keiser runs at the same speed, 400 mhz)
The CPU has been around for a while, so 3rd party apps that are designed for the CPU work well.
Good physical size on the screen
Lots of storage and program memory when the extended ROM is resized/removed.
Cons:
Since it is an older platform, any MW version after 2003 is a hack. The drivers are generally ported from other phones and there are various bugs that will probably never be fixed due to a lack of hardware drivers. Everything does work, there are just various quirks.
Radio range (bluetooth, wifi, etc) are not the best. Heck, they often tend to be down right crappy.
Unless someone is able to write and release a SDHC driver for the card slot, it will never support SDHC cards, which will limit the phone to 4 gig cards. 2 gig is the official spec for SD, but there are a few 4 gig non-SDHC cards out there.
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I already own O2 xda exec, typhoon and voyager
what about this one???
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I still like mine and plan on passing it to my wife or using it for testing and development if she doesn't want it.
dark_prince said:
cud U, experienced users please guide me....am i gonna upgrade its rom to WM6 or not??
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I would. MW6 is a huge improvement over 2003 and 5. The latest ROM builds out there work very well, if not 99% perfectly, and are fast.
In my opinion, Hemli releasing wm6 for the angel breathed new life into the device.
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.

jdc said:
In my opinion, Hemli releasing wm6 for the angel breathed new life into the device.
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.
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I second that! Just ditched my Hermes for my old trusty Blue Angel, which blows the pants off it! I forgot how much I loved the 3.5 inch screen!

Rookie as well with the Blue Angel
I am getting started with the Blue angel as well (O2 Xda IIs)
I like it a lot this will probably become my best buddy during my travels
I got a couple of complementary questions about it.
I intend to use it for business purposes, mainly Internet through
Wifi and GPRS, pdf and offices documents.
I saw on this forum that you advise to change from WM 2003SE to Windows Mobile 6 (the last published by Microsoft)
-My question is: This PDA is already a bit old now, is it going to work smoothly wit the very last OS, which is designed for more recent PDAs (i.e which should be more efficient).
I mainly want to use it for Internet, wich browser do you recommend ?
Internet explorer? Opera Mobile? Opera Mini? other browser?
By the way what is the difference between Opera Mobile and Opera Mini

you should go with opera mobile, as it is better suited for pda's. opera mini is suited for java based mobile phones.

jdc said:
Really, I wish HTC would revive the device, make an updated version of it. The form factor, while is a bit big for a phone, is great for usability as a PDA.
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man i wish they would do that, or release a device with the same glorious screen but with contemporary features, all in all the blu angel is still a killer device 4 years on.

Absolutely right. I had been using the subj for 4 years in nearly extremal conditions, uprading and downgrading firmware dozen times. But, unfortunately it died as hero. Really great gadget, legend of HTC platform challenging ages.

Hi
Well with WM 6.1 it does everything I need and thats for sure I have my pick of devices and always come back to this one - and the 11i which is just about as good
I cant think of a time I have been upset with what it does or doesn't do. I intend keep one for as long as it will run....
John P

Proposal for a Toshiba G9XX specific Thread

My universal is mine for the last day (even if I'm thinking about buying another one, because is a superb device), so I bought a Toshiba portege G900 to replace it, it seems like it's another HTC project, I'm sure that this project's base was the Uni (hardware is quite similar).
Until now I have mixed feelings about it, but I think that there are many of us out there with this device or one of its "reincarnations", G900, G910, G920, G8XX.
I also think that the Xpedia X1 is mostly the same hardware as the Toshiba's devices, after all, the uni has proved to be practically the best compromise between power, portability, usability, form factor, full keyboard, etc.
So, what do you say?

Toshiba g910
Hello I have this device since 2weeks but no possibilities to make navigation no software support g910 yet.

Toshiba g910
I have tried
Igo8 runs but after run stack the display only possible to close and open again to see next screen
Igo2006 not possible to set it up because only wide screen possible on toshiba
Tomtom looks that will work but no maps yet
Route66 7 - not start
Navigon - not start
CoPilot - not start (say from toshiba that could work)
Only work google maps
Please help

VascoP said:
I have tried
Igo8 runs but after run stack the display only possible to close and open again to see next screen
Igo2006 not possible to set it up because only wide screen possible on toshiba
Tomtom looks that will work but no maps yet
Route66 7 - not start
Navigon - not start
CoPilot - not start (say from toshiba that could work)
Only work google maps
Please help
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Hi,
I haven't this device but I thing you have to go to
http://myg900.com
I see that many softwares run on G900 that has the same resolution, TOMTOM 7, TOMTOM 6, IGO...
Look at "G900 3rd Party Software" section.

yepp, it is a good place for TOSHIBA

kecido said:
My universal is mine for the last day (even if I'm thinking about buying another one, because is a superb device), so I bought a Toshiba portege G900 to replace it, it seems like it's another HTC project, I'm sure that this project's base was the Uni (hardware is quite similar).
Until now I have mixed feelings about it, but I think that there are many of us out there with this device or one of its "reincarnations", G900, G910, G920, G8XX.
I also think that the Xpedia X1 is mostly the same hardware as the Toshiba's devices, after all, the uni has proved to be practically the best compromise between power, portability, usability, form factor, full keyboard, etc.
So, what do you say?
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Unless you can prove it was created by HTC, there is no way you'll get a forum.

wm7 compatible with diamond?

Is there any info about this? will wm7 be compatible with our devices?

Probably not. HTC never released WM 6.1 for the original Touch.

im sure we will get it
by hook or by crook

makeveral said:
Is there any info about this? will wm7 be compatible with our devices?
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Have you seen any device that is compatible? Have you seen minimum requirements? All that is known about WM7 are some screenshots and some basic features.
So until it is released noone knows if any current device will be compatible.
What an useless thread.

MarcLandis said:
Have you seen any device that is compatible? Have you seen minimum requirements? All that is known about WM7 are some screenshots and some basic features.
So until it is released noone knows if any current device will be compatible.
What an useless thread.
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calm down man just asking if theres any info lol

makeveral said:
calm down man just asking if theres any info lol
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patience is a virtue...
and
ignorance is bliss!!!
first njoy what you have in ur hand m8 still a few seasons to pass before we get photon on our devices
tc and god bless

there was a video a while back with wm7 running on the Touch Duel
video link
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/05/11/new-windows-mobile-peeped-in-microsoft-live-mesh-video/
so this obviously means it is compatible on HTC DIAMOND TOO
(considering its not as powerful as the diamond)

Why wouldn't wm7 be compatible? Maybe slower, if wm7 is heavier, but I'm rather sure it would run... even if some features (like multi-touch screen) are not working.

WM7 Chassis 1 Specification
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal
Touch: Multi-touch required
Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.
Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).
Peripherals:
Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)
GPS: aGPS required
Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)
USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.
BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.
Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.
Options:
FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.
Haptics
SD Card (Micro SD recommended)
DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional
As I can read, this won't be compatible with our Diamond due to HW limitations...

MarcLandis said:
Have you seen any device that is compatible? Have you seen minimum requirements? All that is known about WM7 are some screenshots and some basic features.
So until it is released noone knows if any current device will be compatible.
What an useless thread.
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As you can see, not so useless thread

So which phone is actually compatible with WM7 ??
Any HTC ????

nop...
jaja i remember this thread! so rude xD

sjauquet said:
As you can see, not so useless thread
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+1
I'll rather see HTC Sense running in our diamonds but I guess anything should be better than WM5-WM6x. All nice developements are made by xda cookers or HTC itself not by M$.
Hope next year would be an interesting cooking year

Axim x50v or x51 - which would you choose? (long post)

I'm not really sure where this belongs, so I'll put it here and ask for input and if a Mod decides it should be in another subforum, I've got no issues with it being moved. Also, this is a long post so, if you're so inclined to read it and you have some advice, I'd love to hear your opinions and thoughts.
I've been playing around with the x50v I got recently off Craig's List for $100: a nice little package deal, the x50v in immaculate condition with a screen protector, a "notebook" style leather flip case - not what I want however, the original 1100 mAh battery and cover as well as an extended 2200 mAh battery with extended cover, 2 cradles, 2 AC adapters, and a 1GB Patriot SD card + a 256MB SanDisk CF card.
It works great, I updated to the Dell WM5 A05 ROM then jumped directly to Lenny's L09 WM6.1 and I'm happy with it, but this is the second x50V I've owned in the past year and, well, I guess I'm sorta unhappy with the performance. I believe, based on reading a few thousand forum postings here and at Aximsite, Brighthand, and Lenny's HTCGeeks forum - and also everything I can find about the NOR memory issues with the x50(v) series Axims from Microsoft.
I know that the filesys.exe issue will always be there, that's a given, and based on how "slow" I think this thing is it just gives me reason to wonder what exactly is wrong. Here's my reasoning, based on experience:
I grabbed an HTC Wizard (AT&T/Cingular 8125) off Craig's List a few months back because the owner snapped the USB port off inside the unit. He had a wall-type charger for the battery, but obviously it couldn't be hooked up to a PC any longer through that USB port. I've contemplated sending it off to those PPC guys to repair the port but, it's like $100 or close to it and I really don't use the phone that much except as a cheap digital camera.
The reason I mention that Wizard is because I installed PointUI on it (www.pointui.com), a fairly cool but needs more development "touch" UI application. On the Wizard, the OS is WM5, untouched, I even reset the device recently and reinstalled the old PointUI I had (not the latest 1.5a version). The point I'm trying to make here is this:
PointUI on that Wizard is ridiculously fast and smooth as butter, almost like having an iPhone/iPod touch smoothness to it, really. It's that fast and smooth, at least to me. And the Wizard has no discrete graphics chip on it like the x50v does - the Intel 2700G GPU, basically.
So, here's my dilemma: when I install the older or even the latest versions of PointUI on the x50v (and yes I'm aware that it's not really designed for non-phones but it does work), it's slow. It's not fast, it's not smooth, and for a device with significantly more horsepower - running at 624 MHz full bore with the Intel 2700G working too, as compared to the Wizard running at a paltry 200 MHz or so with no video acceleration at all - I'm a bit disappointed in it.
Also, while I haven't tested it, I wonder if the issues are being caused by the slower NOR memory in the x50v. I have tried a few games like Enigmo which came with the x50v brand new and it seems to play pretty slowly as well on the x50v, even with the graphics acceleration working.
Blah blah blah... ok, here's my question:
I don't run at true VGA mode much, that's a given. I've installed a few apps that let me enable VGA mode on the device after a reset, but there just doesn't seem to be much out there taking advantage of it: 320x240 still is the order of business for the PocketPC universe, probably always will be unfortunately.
So, right now I've located an x51 (not an x51v which I really want but can't locate for a decent price, certainly not for $100 in a package like I just found with this x50v with a few cradles and chargers, maybe an extra battery or two, for about $100. It's not the x51v as I just noted, and right now I don't even know if it's the low-end x51 (416 MHz) or the mid-range model (520 MHz), I'll find that out if I choose to get it. Aside from the clock speed I think the low-end and mid-range models are identical - only the default clock speed (max) is what differentiates them; if I'm wrong and there are other differences between those two models, someone tell me, please, thanks.
The meat and potatoes: if you had the choice between the x50v with the slow and unavoidable NOR memory with the accompanying issues because of file compaction with filesys.exe that sometimes make the device so slow it almost makes you want to just reset it to start using it again, or...
The x51 which has no such issues, but also has no video acceleration but might not need it for simple movie/video playback, and most certainly can play audio files easily, and should theoretically run much faster than the x50/x50v because they're built with NOR memory and the x51 line uses NAND...
Which would you choose based on the following:
- the VGA screen in the x50v has 4x as many pixels so it's drawing 4x the power even when VGA mode isn't enabled - this is a fact because the LCD panel has 4x as many pixels. Just because I'm not running in VGA doesn't mean those extra pixels are "off" - they're always on, but it now requires 4 pixels to show what 320x240 would show on the x51 with just 1 pixel. It's weird but it's true, so theoretically the x51 should use less battery power. I can deal with 320x240, it's fine... movies still look fine to me on 320x240 screens.
- The slower clock speed at 416 or 520 MHz is fine also, movies don't really require that much CPU power to play with the encodings I've been finding and trying to make myself (limiting the bitrate to about 300 Kbps, 320x240 or whatever but 320 pixels wide max then the height is proportional based on the source content). Again, the slower clockspeed by default would mean longer battery life theoretically.
- Everything else between the x50v and the x51 are basically identical except for the Intel 2700G video chip. Same case, ports, CF/SD card slots, same Wi-Fi/Bluetooth hardware, etc, it's all the same save for the differences in clockspeed and the video, really.
So, which would you choose if you wanted the best performance with anything you're doing, without wondering if the device will suddenly just choke to a standstill while it's trying to process some information or store it in memory or whatever.
I'm leaning to the x51, actually. I still haven't had a chance to actually use an x51 or x51v, but if the performance of this lowly Wizard at 3x slower on average with no video acceleration at all is any sign, the x51/x51v should really be some damned fast devices.
Also, I just noted earlier today that MagLite is at work again and just released a test ROM for WM6.1 for the x50!!! Not the x50v, but the plain old x50 without the Intel 2700G, so this bodes very well that perhaps he or someone else could throw some stuff into their "kitchen sinks" and create a proper working WM6.1 ROM for the x51...
I'm pretty excited at the possibilities, and yes I'd still love to get an actual x51v or even an HP x4700 at this point with the 4" LCD, but at the moment the x50v I have is working, albeit slower than I'd like. With the factory WM2003SE on it it's very fast and snappy as expected, but put WM5 on it and performance plummets, and with WM6.1 it's even worse to some degree. I'm suspecting all of it is because of the slower NOR but I didn't think it was that slow - apparently is is because this little Wizard runs circles around my x50v... seems sad, really.
Thanks to anyone that reads all this and comments, I appreciate it.