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I played with it a few weeks ago and man, this object is so strong. I even pushed in the digitizer and it wouldn't bulge... sadly enough, the MyTouch 4G had ripples when I pushed in the digitizer...
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Until now, I never had such a rugged phone like the Defy in my hands. Right now I would say its the most indestructible Android phone.
I mean which should be more indestructible? A HTC one? Don't believe that even if their build quality is great.
The Defy is a niche product (if it's called like that ). The first real Android Outdoor phone. That makes it so interessting
I think the moto i1 is another rugged handset. For sprint/boost though.
no doubt!!
Was playing Angry Birds in the bathtub, fell asleep and dropped the phone to the bottom of the tub. When I woke up about 30 min later I had to go fish for the phone. Wiped it off and then made a phone call!
What other good looking, hi featured phone can do that?? NONE.
I've had the Defy for 5 days now and it totally rocks!
Is the Defy the most indestructible Android phone possible?
No.
Is the Defy the most indestructible Android phone currently on sale?
Probably, yes.
#1 - I think my Defy battery is getting much better. Yesterday, it was off the charger for 19 hours and I was down to 15%. I had almost 3 hours in voice calls, 20 minutes in GPS and almost 2 hours of display time. Does this seem inline with what others have gotten?
#2 - How does the water seal for the earpiece/speakerphone/mic work? Just curious.
#3 - For loose port covers, what about a tiny amount of Vaseline around the edges of the port? That works well for things like gaskets, fridge seals, etc. Alternatively, I was thinking something like liquid rubber to make it a tighter fit. Feedback?
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#1 - Never used GPS but i have to charge my phone after every 24 hours. I play games for 3 hours (psx), some moderate use on internet for about 2 hours and that's pretty much it.
#2 - This phone is water/scratch....resistance not proof so don't try putting your phone in water in any circumstances.
#3 - Get a cover for motorola defy, if that's what you meanT?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/G5-Online-M...TE/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1300193315&sr=8-10
I hope this helped you.
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#1 - Never used GPS but i have to charge my phone after every 24 hours. I play games for 3 hours (psx), some moderate use on internet for about 2 hours and that's pretty much it.
#2 - This phone is water/scratch....resistance not proof so don't try putting your phone in water in any circumstances.
#3 - Get a cover for motorola defy, if that's what you meanT?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/G5-Online-M...TE/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1300193315&sr=8-10
I hope this helped you.
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#1 - Ok
#2 - It is submersible to 3 feet. That is a known fact, is published and many on this forum and review sites have tested it under water and it works fine
#3 - Doesn't really answer the question at all???
I have submerged my phone many times and the seals work fine. On mine.
NEVER use Vaseline on your seals as it is a petroleum product and will degrade the rubber. "Stem" grease or O-ring grease, designed for rubber, is what you want.
Yeah, my battery seemed to get better over time and is one of the best on the market IMHO.
A new Defy is waterresistant.
But now that I've opened and closed the covers many many many times I doubt that it still keeps the water out. The space between the body and the bottom of the back cover gets a tiny little bit bigger everytime you open and close it, and the cover for the USB port is not resistant to wear and tear either. In the beginning it was hard to open, now it's hard to close.
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#2 - It is submersible to 3 feet. That is a known fact, is published and many on this forum and review sites have tested it under water and it works fine
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It's in no way advertised as such or guaranteed if you submerge it and have problems.
Motorola have very specifically only ever advertised the Defy as 'resistant'.
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It's in no way advertised as such or guaranteed if you submerge it and have problems.
Motorola have very specifically only ever advertised the Defy as 'resistant'.
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And I really would dare to take it further than into the shower or into an cup of water. This also becomes clear if you look at how it is engineered to become "water resistant", especially at the backcover.
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It's in no way advertised as such or guaranteed if you submerge it and have problems.
Motorola have very specifically only ever advertised the Defy as 'resistant'.
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The term "proof" (water-proof, scratch-proof, etc.) has been phased out of nearly all products for 10+ years due to obvious liability reasons. Even watches are no longer classified as "waterproof" because that would imply water couldn't ever get in, period. They are now listed as "water resistant to X meters". Same here...
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Rugged-Motorola-Defy-takes-a-dive_id14444
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The term "proof" (water-proof, scratch-proof, etc.) has been phased out of nearly all products for 10+ years due to obvious liability reasons. Even watches are no longer classified as "waterproof" because that would imply water couldn't ever get in, period. They are now listed as "water resistant to X meters".
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But nowhere do Motorola state that the Defy is 'resistant' to a set depth either - so to say that it's a known fact is untrue.
What we know is that some Defys will work at that depth but there will be some people who try it and ruin their phones.
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It's in no way advertised as such or guaranteed if you submerge it and have problems.
Motorola have very specifically only ever advertised the Defy as 'resistant'.
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Step666 said:
But nowhere do Motorola state that the Defy is 'resistant' to a set depth either - so to say that it's a known fact is untrue.
What we know is that some Defys will work at that depth but there will be some people who try it and ruin their phones.
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It has been on every major tech blog. Motorola even told people at CES/CTIA that it was 3 feet submersible. Moreover, EVERY tech blog who has tested it submerged never had a problem.
On youtube, lots of people tested Defy taking video under water. I've tested it as well around 1 - 2 feet. Not sure how long it can last underwater.
If worry about damaging the phone, best not to try it out. Prevention is better can cure. But good to know Defy is water resistance, no need to worry when water get spill on the phone.
Motorola suggests that you can go swimming with your Defy, but always do so in terms which are full of weasel words and not legally binding. If you try and your phone drowns Moto will hide behind the small print, which doesn't say anything about being water resitant to any depth.
Don't bet your phone on tech blog tests. They all waterboarded new phones. Do you know of any tech blog that dipped a Defy underwater after opening and closing the port covers a few hundred times?
New Defy: take it for a swim.
Defy after three months: better keep it dry.
Here's what Motorola has to say about it:
Motorola said:
Your phone is not designed to float, or work under water.
Water resistance should not be confused with the device being waterproof. If the liquid detect label (located on back of the phone under the battery) is tripped red, the device will be treated as liquid damaged.
https://motorola-global-en-uk.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/60223/p_country_code/XW
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I don't know others but my Defy came with a "Water Resistance Warning" in the package:
All protective covers including the Headset jack, USB and battery covers must be securely closed to ensure water resistance.
Damage caused by failing to properly secure the phone's water resistance covers is not covered by the warranty.
THIS PHONE IS NOT WATERPROOF.
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Image you buy a class6 sd card which the vendor says it has class 10 speed, and you and everyone find that it does has class10 speed. Be happy with your purchase but don't expect the vendor to garantee a class10 speed, nevermind after prolonged usage.
rogier666 said:
Motorola suggests that you can go swimming with your Defy, but always do so in terms which are full of weasel words and not legally binding. If you try and your phone drowns Moto will hide behind the small print, which doesn't say anything about being water resitant to any depth.
Don't bet your phone on tech blog tests. They all waterboarded new phones. Do you know of any tech blog that dipped a Defy underwater after opening and closing the port covers a few hundred times?
New Defy: take it for a swim.
Defy after three months: better keep it dry.
Here's what Motorola has to say about it:
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That is a canned response they have for every phone obviously.
The lumia 800 has eliminated it. I'm not even certain I try to stop myself from dropping it anymore. I just kinda let it happen.
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The lumia 800 has eliminated it. I'm not even certain I try to stop myself from dropping it anymore. I just kinda let it happen.
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Wish I could say that for my Titan! Messed the back plate real bad last time I just 'kinda let it happen'!
Luckily was within the exchange period
BTW Titan 1 year warranty covers 1 accessory - so if this happens again, I might have to replace the back. But yeah, thanks for making me jealous!
Ouch, I know how it feels, I dropped every single phone I had. Sometimes I've been lucky, sometimes not. It's a freaking pain, I don't trust any OEM, no matter how tough they say their phone is, and I use cases. Anyway I'm an active person and so even cases are often not enough for me: I always manage to destroy EVERYTHING at some point.
Anyway are you REALLY sure that your phone will endure some serious drop? I mean it should at least get somewhat worn in those sharp corners or something...what if it hits the floor with the glass? With that curved shape it could take some serious hit. I'd be even more OCD with this phone than I am with my plasticky Omnia
Btw, do you use a screen protector on it?
It happened to me with the Samsung Omnia 7 a few times, but it was ok
No case or screen protector, survived a two story fall.
Polycarbonate must be really tough, I'd still be concerned about the glass, sure it's Gorilla glass but if you live in a sandy place and you're an offroad biker like me it's never tough enough. I've even managed to scratch the sapphire crystal on my good old Sector last year. I had to break my wrist against a rock in the process tho...nothing too bad, it was just my left hand, I could still use the phone with my right hand
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Polycarbonate must be really tough, I'd still be concerned about the glass, sure it's Gorilla glass but if you live in a sandy place and you're an offroad biker like me it's never tough enough. I've even managed to scratch the sapphire crystal on my good old Sector last year. I had to break my wrist against a rock in the process tho...nothing too bad, it was just my left hand, I could still use the phone with my right hand
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My one year old tosses his around as I'd expect. Might not be as intense as off road biking, but he's close.
I really wanted to get a Lumia a while ago, but I thought that the timing wasn't perfect yet: this is still Nokia's first WP7 device and therefore it can't be perfect, infact it's apparently a bit more buggy compared to other WP7 devices. At the end of the day if you don't care too much about camera, flash memory, screen size or build quality every second generation WP7 device performs equally well. Before I pull the trigger on a fully blown WP7 flagship I want to wait till Apollo and the real superphones come out. Hopefully I will resist with this little Omnia until then, but I'm pretty sure it will become a pain at some point...
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I really wanted to get a Lumia a while ago, but I thought that the timing wasn't perfect yet: this is still Nokia's first WP7 device and therefore it can't be perfect, infact it's apparently a bit more buggy compared to other WP7 devices. At the end of the day if you don't care too much about camera, flash memory, screen size or build quality every second generation WP7 device performs equally well. Before I pull the trigger on a fully blown WP7 flagship I want to wait till Apollo and the real superphones come out. Hopefully I will resist with this little Omnia until then, but I'm pretty sure it will become a pain at some point...
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Think Windows were going to support current + 2 OS updates on all phones. I would presume Gen1s will run uptil Gen3s and Gen2s till Gen4s. I hope Nokia has something more than L900 with Apollo release! I am eyeing that, even though I've got a Titan to play with. It's the design I think.
I want a 800 with an ffc. It'd be perfect. I'm honestly not fond of huge phones despite having sledgehammers as hands.
Remind me to never let you handle my phone should I ever meet you.
A girl from my work just recently dropped her brand new (only 3 days old) Iphone on the concrete in her basement when doing laundry. LOL... and that's why phones should not be made of out glass.
Haven't dropped my week-and-a-half old Cyan Lumia 800 yet, and don't plan on it for a while.
Had a Nokia 8600 LUNA a while back. The back was matte black steel and the entire front was smoked black glass. Was a year before I dropped it on concrete, then another week before the 2nd drop. Right when I dropped it the first time, and got it scratched... my immediate thought was... "I'm so glad I had it for a year before dropping it!"
Looking forward to the durability of the Lumia, though I don't have the tendency to drop my phones, if you don't count them getting flung around when the USB cable catches on my foot.
I moved to windows phone because my 2 month old HP veer broke when dropped
Dropped my titan today off my sink onto our bathroom tiles. It has a hard rubberized case that was a cheapo from ebay, with no real protection under the screen.
outcome, powers up fine and no issues at all, and not even a scratch on the case!. Way better than any of the new iphones would be.
For those of you who can't be trusted with an expensive phone...
http://pocketnow.com/android/casio-g-shock-android-may-be-the-chunkiest-looking-smartphone-ever
I knocked my Lumia 800 of my kitchen counter and it landed face down onto the tiled kitchen floor and it slide underneath the kitchen table. From the smack sound it made when it hit the floor I knew the screen was cracked and to be honest I was pissed off because I had read on here at how tough it was.
Well f*ck me there wasn't a mark on it!
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http://pocketnow.com/android/casio-g-shock-android-may-be-the-chunkiest-looking-smartphone-ever
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I'd buy one if it wasn't android.
I have dropped my HTC HD7 (yes some still exist) multiple times, and it is fine. The back just flies off and the battery just comes out. Once it flew out of my pocket while I was running across the street. Compare that to my friend who's Iphone screen has cracked like 4 times (literally-none of them were bad drops either). Love my phone.
Okay guys.
So I just got my 4S back from these guys, and wow, I am honestly amazed.
I saw them on my local news a few days ago, and figured what the hell. Apparently they put your phone through a process that binds their product on a molecular level, and makes it "waterproof" I didn't think it'd work as good as in the videos but it really does.
Essentially what happens is, you pay and ship your phone to them. Within a day of receiving it, they treat your phone and send it back. (can do the express version for 10$ more)
I sent my phone in on a monday, received it back on that thursday. I then decided to put it to the test. filled up my sink (about a foot and a half deep), closed my eyes, and submerged my 4s. To my astonishment, I opened my eyes and the screen was still on! I was even able to type a message to my girlfriend telling her I was texting her from underwater xD
I then answered a call in the shower the next morning and all worked fine! Its been a week since Ive gotten my phone back and have done the sink trick countless times to impress my friends, and it still works like new hehe. just thought id share, seeing as a good waterproof case for the 4s is about 20$ more.
http://www.liquipel.com
edit: I figured the accessories thread was the best place, let me know if you feel otherwise ;P
heres a good demo i found of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtsSPZCGmuY
Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
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Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
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try emailing them? I thought i read somewhere on there site that they can usually make accommodations for devices not on the list..
And they JUST started taking orders at CES, so they should expand the supported devices soon if theyre doing this good. pretty great start imo xD
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Ah. Well that might be a problem then xD
killall said:
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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It said it was a mail in program... international mail... phone back in like 3 weeks lol
edit:The following devices are approved to be Liquipelled:
Apple iPhone 4s
Apple iPhone 4
Apple iPhone 3g/s
HTC Evo 4G
HTC Evo Shift 4G
HTC MyTouch 4G
HTC Thunderbolt
Motorola Droid X/X2
Samsung Charge
Wow that is amazing!!
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My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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Good question. You might have to email them on that one. I don't have to worry about it since my battery isn't "removable" lol
While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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It sounds like your completely guessing at what "it" does and how its applied. I on the other hand decided to investigate BEFORE acting as if i knew what it was we are discussing.
1. Its applied via vapor,in a vacuum chamber environment, so as to completely coat inside and out, all parts of said device. The coating is 1000 times thinner than a human hair and therefor does not change the way the phone feels or functions(screen response)
2. speakers are not effected because they too are waterproofed in the same nano tech molecular bonding process.
3. When you submerge your device once coated, water does completely run THROUGH your device. Short circuit cannot be obtained because the liquid cannot make contact to the positive and negative/grounding surfaces because of said thin/nano layer of protection. although it repels liquids, it still allows all existing electrical pathways to function without flaw, and will conduct electricity thus allowing for the capacitive functions to work also.
4. This technology was not designed to make your phone "UNDERWATER" proof, and they recommend not submerging any device in liquid. In the case that your phone falls from your hoodie pocket into the toilet, you can retrieve (and hopefully) rinse your device before electrical failure/short occurs. Its a backup plan for accidents, not a solution for mobile underwater photography or social networking.
These statements are not conjecture. this is what happens when you read and investigate what youve read.
If your gonna troll, at least take the time to know what your talking about. F'in trolls!
Not trolling, just thought this was the "old" method previously adopted (was it by Vertu?).
If you call anyone a troll for showing interest then I guess you would be alone in this world as a non-troll, just saiyan
Did you even read what you wrote??? Words like "probably", and other staments like "naturally closed" make you sound like an idiot, which im sure you are not... but if you are gonna post in a category, wouldnt it help to know the subject your posting about. The information is there and one should not have to ?guess?
I on the other hand became very curious about said tech, and therefor did the research needed to contribute to this discussion.
There are no what if this happens in this case because the are selling a tested product, and have limited device compatibility - for now.
I was hoping that when i saw a new post on this thread that it was someone with valuable information, trying to fill gapps of knowledge, but it was just "what if's" and "probably's"... come on. If you want to pm me about what ive learned about this product, ill be happy to share anything else i have with anyone. I am here to learn, not waste valuable time reading conjecture based on nothing.
Hey smart guy why would you come here looking for information when you already know everything?
Even if I was still interested, I wouldn't ask someone like you (just letting you know so you dont have to constantly check you pm)
Later buddy
Seriously guys. This is to get other peoples opinion about the product. No need to argue
Anybody hear of this company yet? I guess they were at CES but I didn't see mention of them. They put some type of bonding on your device at the molecular level, and makes it waterproof. Only about 10 devices are certified so far but the EVO 4G is on list. I also read that the iPhone 5 and the SGS3 could be the first phones to ship with the process already applied. Tell me what you guys think. http://www.liquipel.com
I heard that, as of right now, it needs to be reapplied after a bit, so I don't know of any phones that are planned to ship with it as of right now, due to production, shipping, etc, etc it would be hard to tell how long they'd be protected after you got them. But, I watched the CES Demo videos when my Regional guy got back from CES, and it looks impressive. They showed a phone operating underwater, playing music, the touch screen working, with headphone in and with headphone out. Pretty solid. But I think as of right now you have to ship/get it to them in SoCal.. So a bit hard to acquire.
Oh how I'd love some stock options in this!! If its a true product its gonna soar!