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Waterproof Your Device

http://golden-shellback.com/
Has anyone here ever tried this out?

you would never be able to 100% waterproof it with the way mics and speakers works today
if you did it would be deaf and mute

Yeah that's what I was thinking but this combined with the invisibleSHIELD would make your device MUCH more protected.

Too good to be be true comes to mind.
I would test this coating on a cheap electrical device and see how it goes.
I could see the electronic parts such as the circuit boards, small parts, wiring, soldered joints, etc. being coated with a special waterproofing material before assembly which would protect them from moisture but waterproofing after the fact, I have my doubts

Rudegar said:
you would never be able to 100% waterproof it with the way mics and speakers works today
if you did it would be deaf and mute
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well, mics and speakers still work as long as there's a medium between the item and your ears/mouth
speaker-> that coating -> air -> your ears

looks nice but u have to send the phone to the company no? the vid said that

jor3l said:
looks nice but u have to send the phone to the company no? the vid said that
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Yeah which is why I'm gonna wait til I get a new device.

If you read the buy items coated & there guarantee & warranty it doesn't sound that good...

.HaVoC. said:
http://golden-shellback.com/
Has anyone here ever tried this out?
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They don't make it waterproof, but splash proof. So they're not claiming anything that's too good to be true.

flobin said:
They don't make it waterproof, but splash proof. So they're not claiming anything that's too good to be true.
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"Sid dropped his Blackberry into a Bucket of Water."
This is how their ad begins with a huge picture showing the above.
They also show another device half submerged in water.
They are representing their coating as more than just splashproof.
So, they are representing what in my opinion, is too good to be true.

I saw this on TV a while back, the Gadget Show I think it was anyway it worked perfectly, I think they did it with an iPod and a phone and then chucked them in water and they still worked fine.
I wonder what would happen if you coated yourself in it... :/

s.bounford said:
I saw this on TV a while back, the Gadget Show I think it was anyway it worked perfectly, I think they did it with an iPod and a phone and then chucked them in water and they still worked fine.
I wonder what would happen if you coated yourself in it... :/
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I don't trust what I see on TV most of the time, when it comes to demonstrations.
Now, if there was an independent laboratory that did tests on this product, that's another story.
If there were members here that were using the process, I would definitely listen to their feedback.
Maybe the company could ask for volunteers to test their product on, as "word of mouth" advertising may bring in alot of revenue. But I'm not raising my hand, just in case it doesn't work.

What is our warranty?:
Golden Shellback guarantees that the devices will be weatherproof for 30 days. The product will be replaced or repaired per our choice when exposed to moisture as outlined in the guarantee. A device that has been fully immersed in water will not be repaired or replaced.
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Haha that about sums it up doesnt it?
Weatherproof; They either use false advertising or dont have faith in their product.

Rudegar said:
you would never be able to 100% waterproof it with the way mics and speakers works today
if you did it would be deaf and mute
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How do you figure?
If you put your phone into a ziploc bag, wouldn't you still hear it ring?
Sure, it's quieter, because it takes more power to move plastic bags around than it does to move air around, but saying "deaf and mute" is a little pessimistic...

Seeing is believing. I won't believe until I see it with my eyes.

until then...
...there's a cheaper alternative...

agree - too good - but a bag works...
I'm using this http://www.ortlieb.com/_pdf_en/documentbag.pdf (smallest one) on my touch pro while kayaking.
No problem answering the phone or calling through the bag - and completely waterproof, without voiding any warranty.
Also it is practical to keep it around my neck in its cord - easy to find while checking gps and other software on it.
Not free as a used condom would be, but I think for my purpose it is more practical...
Regards,
Harald.

2 weeks and is broken!

2 weeks and is broken!
I had this thing for not more that 2 weeks and the speaker is broken
T-mobile is sending replacement tomorrow, but this is disappointing from HTC
Only this time i will put screen protector from day one.... the screen is not exactly scratch resistant.
If we add the battery performance andddd this is not exactly Desire

How'd you break it?

I work in mobile sales and deal with people like you on a daily basis, "i've only had it 2 weeks and its all scratched/part A broken/ its really slow/ battery life rubbish" I have had my desire for nearly 2 months with no scratches, the screen is as scratch resistant as most touch devices - as in don't stick it somewhere its gonna get scratched- pockets with keys - and you'll be fine. Try and remember how much these devices cost and treat them with respect. If your unfamiliar with Android/smartphones/computers then don't complain if it doesn't work as you'd expect as you have no knowledge or experience to base it on and have more than likely done something wrong, lastly battery life on all touch devices is poor when compared to older mobiles - WE ALL KNOW THIS BY NOW!! - learn how to use power management features and apps such as juice defender, be aware that lithium ion battery life will improve within the first month if used properly and finally if you don't know these things then USE GOOGLE FFS!! This is a forum for android general discussions not to pointlessly whine when you can't look after your own phone! END OF RANT
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It's all scratched up and broken after only two weeks? Unless you work in construction or something you REALLY need to learn how to treat your devices or stick to something more play school. It's an expensive high tech device, it's not a rubber coated brick. It's a small computer with a 3.7 inch GLASS screen... learn how to treat it.

CarpeDiemsNuts said:
Try and remember how much these devices cost and treat them with respect.
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This.
People are the same with laptops.. just because its portable it doesn't mean its not a fragile bit of modern tech.

Did I miss something in HTC's advertising? Where does it say its scratch resistant?
And you have had it 2 weeks, the battery should only just be starting to reach its peak performance.
I don't wish to appear cynical but all your statements point to the fact that you don't look after your phone and have limited knowledge about it, I'm not surprised your speaker has broken. Count yourself really lucky HTC are giving you a second chance.

Lol.. lucky their speaker broke, that sounds like a genuine fault.
I have to admit I think the speaker is of bad quality. Bloody built in obsolescence imo

Lucky you are getting a replacement.
Mine has dust under the screen, this is not something I could have done myself, not that amount of dust in that specific place after 2 weeks (I've had the phone longer but it's been there for 2 weeks).
T-Mobile wont do anything, even though the Nexus One has the same issue.

CarpeDiemsNuts said:
I work in mobile sales and deal with people like you on a daily basis, "i've only had it 2 weeks and its all scratched/part A broken/ its really slow/ battery life rubbish" I have had my desire for nearly 2 months with no scratches, the screen is as scratch resistant as most touch devices - as in don't stick it somewhere its gonna get scratched- pockets with keys - and you'll be fine. Try and remember how much these devices cost and treat them with respect. If your unfamiliar with Android/smartphones/computers then don't complain if it doesn't work as you'd expect as you have no knowledge or experience to base it on and have more than likely done something wrong, lastly battery life on all touch devices is poor when compared to older mobiles - WE ALL KNOW THIS BY NOW!! - learn how to use power management features and apps such as juice defender, be aware that lithium ion battery life will improve within the first month if used properly and finally if you don't know these things then USE GOOGLE FFS!! This is a forum for android general discussions not to pointlessly whine when you can't look after your own phone! END OF RANT
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oursoul said:
This.
People are the same with laptops.. just because its portable it doesn't mean its not a fragile bit of modern tech.
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Whiterin said:
It's all scratched up and broken after only two weeks? Unless you work in construction or something you REALLY need to learn how to treat your devices or stick to something more play school. It's an expensive high tech device, it's not a rubber coated brick. It's a small computer with a 3.7 inch GLASS screen... learn how to treat it.
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Agreed to all.
I have had iPhones, HTC HD2, Hero etc and never scratched one of them. I don't use screen protectors or cases, I don't need them as I put the phones in my pocket without my keys in that pocket. My left one is for my phone, my right for everything else.
Unless you have had a dodgy unit that is made of plastic, I'd have to say its probably down to how you are storing it!
Good luck with your second one

Hmm interesting replies...
I was driving from work and my sat nav suddenly went muted ant that’s it. When i shake the device the speaker works on and off... so for me this is dodgy speaker
About the scratches... Its only one tiny scratch caused by my PLASTIC button on my pocket ...

Could be anything, a bit of sand in your pocket and you're screen is full of scratches. Pouch and screen protector all the way! Or pay around 400 euro's (directly or indirectly) and don't care what happens to those 400 euro's.
Anyway, there are always devices that can have some problems like a broken speaker or something.
Try reading a forum about whatever device, and there are always the same 'stories' like yours. Maybe it's because we're promised perfection which is impossible. But perhaps it's we all want to have perfection and don't know that's impossible anymore. But! There is a reason warranty exists... sometimes things break. No matter what product.

New product - Liquipel - just purchased.

Okay guys.
So I just got my 4S back from these guys, and wow, I am honestly amazed.
I saw them on my local news a few days ago, and figured what the hell. Apparently they put your phone through a process that binds their product on a molecular level, and makes it "waterproof" I didn't think it'd work as good as in the videos but it really does.
Essentially what happens is, you pay and ship your phone to them. Within a day of receiving it, they treat your phone and send it back. (can do the express version for 10$ more)
I sent my phone in on a monday, received it back on that thursday. I then decided to put it to the test. filled up my sink (about a foot and a half deep), closed my eyes, and submerged my 4s. To my astonishment, I opened my eyes and the screen was still on! I was even able to type a message to my girlfriend telling her I was texting her from underwater xD
I then answered a call in the shower the next morning and all worked fine! Its been a week since Ive gotten my phone back and have done the sink trick countless times to impress my friends, and it still works like new hehe. just thought id share, seeing as a good waterproof case for the 4s is about 20$ more.
http://www.liquipel.com
edit: I figured the accessories thread was the best place, let me know if you feel otherwise ;P

heres a good demo i found of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtsSPZCGmuY

Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start

killall said:
Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
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try emailing them? I thought i read somewhere on there site that they can usually make accommodations for devices not on the list..
And they JUST started taking orders at CES, so they should expand the supported devices soon if theyre doing this good. pretty great start imo xD

Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.

killall said:
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Ah. Well that might be a problem then xD

killall said:
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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It said it was a mail in program... international mail... phone back in like 3 weeks lol
edit:The following devices are approved to be Liquipelled:
Apple iPhone 4s
Apple iPhone 4
Apple iPhone 3g/s
HTC Evo 4G
HTC Evo Shift 4G
HTC MyTouch 4G
HTC Thunderbolt
Motorola Droid X/X2
Samsung Charge

Wow that is amazing!!
Sent from my Hero using xda premium

My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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blaine07 said:
My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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Good question. You might have to email them on that one. I don't have to worry about it since my battery isn't "removable" lol

While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).

ekin said:
While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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It sounds like your completely guessing at what "it" does and how its applied. I on the other hand decided to investigate BEFORE acting as if i knew what it was we are discussing.
1. Its applied via vapor,in a vacuum chamber environment, so as to completely coat inside and out, all parts of said device. The coating is 1000 times thinner than a human hair and therefor does not change the way the phone feels or functions(screen response)
2. speakers are not effected because they too are waterproofed in the same nano tech molecular bonding process.
3. When you submerge your device once coated, water does completely run THROUGH your device. Short circuit cannot be obtained because the liquid cannot make contact to the positive and negative/grounding surfaces because of said thin/nano layer of protection. although it repels liquids, it still allows all existing electrical pathways to function without flaw, and will conduct electricity thus allowing for the capacitive functions to work also.
4. This technology was not designed to make your phone "UNDERWATER" proof, and they recommend not submerging any device in liquid. In the case that your phone falls from your hoodie pocket into the toilet, you can retrieve (and hopefully) rinse your device before electrical failure/short occurs. Its a backup plan for accidents, not a solution for mobile underwater photography or social networking.
These statements are not conjecture. this is what happens when you read and investigate what youve read.
If your gonna troll, at least take the time to know what your talking about. F'in trolls!

Not trolling, just thought this was the "old" method previously adopted (was it by Vertu?).
If you call anyone a troll for showing interest then I guess you would be alone in this world as a non-troll, just saiyan

Did you even read what you wrote??? Words like "probably", and other staments like "naturally closed" make you sound like an idiot, which im sure you are not... but if you are gonna post in a category, wouldnt it help to know the subject your posting about. The information is there and one should not have to ?guess?
I on the other hand became very curious about said tech, and therefor did the research needed to contribute to this discussion.
There are no what if this happens in this case because the are selling a tested product, and have limited device compatibility - for now.
I was hoping that when i saw a new post on this thread that it was someone with valuable information, trying to fill gapps of knowledge, but it was just "what if's" and "probably's"... come on. If you want to pm me about what ive learned about this product, ill be happy to share anything else i have with anyone. I am here to learn, not waste valuable time reading conjecture based on nothing.

Hey smart guy why would you come here looking for information when you already know everything?
Even if I was still interested, I wouldn't ask someone like you (just letting you know so you dont have to constantly check you pm)
Later buddy

Seriously guys. This is to get other peoples opinion about the product. No need to argue

Honor 6X Durability Test - JerryRigEverything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXhw0hLmqG0
Shame to see this :/

This phone is bad, really bad. This is a shame for Huawei to do this with glass. DO NOT BUY IT! Scratches at level 3/4 WTF?!

sTefIx420 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXhw0hLmqG0
Shame to see this :/
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There's already a thread for this.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x/help/honor-6x-catastrophically-fails-t3549049

xphyle1971 said:
There's already a thread for this.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-6x/help/honor-6x-catastrophically-fails-t3549049
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You came here to promote your thread that was create after this one ? very nice

I got my phone for 200 bucks so what i'm saying next is with the price in mind:
To be honest, with the included cover the scratch issue is not that big of a deal
The bend test is an over kill. just don't sit on your phone.
This phone rocks for the price. (I'll say better than my galaxy s7) The only thing i miss is the faster lens on the s7.

The people who take JerryRigEverything's "durability tests" seriously are simply put, dumb. The videos he make are for pure entertainment purpose. Who lights up their phone's screen with a lighter? Are there still people who wouldn't protect their screen with a protector anyway? And seriously who the heck tries to bend their phone in half even if you're a rough user. Dumbness is taking over the people.
I own Honor 6X from about a month, I have about 10 hours SoT daily on my phone. With that kinda usage, I have 0 scratches so on my screen or back so far. And of course no freakin "bends" like it's a metal ruler lol.

hsn97 said:
The people who take JerryRigEverything's "durability tests" seriously are simply put, dumb. The videos he make are for pure entertainment purpose. Who lights up their phone's screen with a lighter? Are there still people who wouldn't protect their screen with a protector anyway? And seriously who the heck tries to bend their phone in half even if you're a rough user. Dumbness is taking over the people.
I own Honor 6X from about a month, I have about 10 hours SoT daily on my phone. With that kinda usage, I have 0 scratches so on my screen or back so far. And of course no freakin "bends" like it's a metal ruler lol.
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There's no excuse for the s-h-i-tty glass used on the Honor 6x. None of the 50 phones he tested had the glass scratch at level 3 or 4. While I somewhat agree with the bending thing, the glass they used on this phone is pure crap.

xphyle1971 said:
There's no excuse for the s-h-i-tty glass used on the Honor 6x. None of the 50 phones he tested had the glass scratch at level 3 or 4. While I somewhat agree with the bending thing, the glass they used on this phone is pure crap.
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Let me ask you something, do you use a protector for whatever current phone you own regardless of the glass type?

hsn97 said:
Let me ask you something, do you use a protector for whatever current phone you own regardless of the glass type?
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Nope. Never. But when I saw the durability test for this device I went out and got one right away.

xphyle1971 said:
Nope. Never. But when I saw the durability test for this device I went out and got one right away.
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If you think your phones with gorilla glass won't get scratched without a protector, you're not thinking right.

hsn97 said:
If you think your phones with gorilla glass won't get scratched without a protector, you're not thinking right.
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It's not really about buying a screen protector or not. It's about the inferior quality of the glass Huawei chose to use on this device. It's the worst ever tested out of 50 phones and it's worse than last years 5x. I literally have a drawer full of phones and this is the first test that actually persuaded me to go out and buy a tempered glass screen protector. I never have felt the need before and the screens on all of my devices are still pristine.

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It's not really about buying a screen protector or not. It's about the inferior quality of the glass Huawei chose to use on this device. It's the worst ever tested out of 50 phones and it's worse than last years 5x. I literally have a drawer full of phones and this is the first test that actually persuaded me to go out and buy a tempered glass screen protector. I never have felt the need before and the screens on all of my devices are still pristine.
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Lol mate, you're taking JerryRig's stupid (meant for fun) durability tests way too seriously. His tests are not equivalent to day-to-day usage.

Fair point ?
hsn97 said:
Lol mate, you're taking JerryRig's stupid (meant for fun) durability tests way too seriously. His tests are not equivalent to day-to-day usage.
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AGREE I DON'T TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY TOO.
But, you need to admit the fact that what ever be the day to day use of a device
there is that one day where things are not in your favor and S#!t Happens.
So, understanding the worst case scenario is not a crime but a reminder what you should expect rather.
CONSIDER:
In my **** day i accidentally drop my phone on the street while getting of a bus in INDIA and a car runs over it
now since JERRY DOES A BEND TEST BOTH THE FRONT AND BACK OF THE PHONE you will have an idea of what kind of damage you should be expecting and
if you should dive in to push your phone away
or
let it be it can handle a car running over it
and
i can get it back with no problem

iamrahilsood said:
AGREE I DON'T TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY TOO.
But, you need to admit the fact that what ever be the day to day use of a device
there is that one day where things are not in your favor and S#!t Happens.
So, understanding the worst case scenario is not a crime but a reminder what you should expect rather.
CONSIDER:
In my **** day i accidentally drop my phone on the street while getting of a bus in INDIA and a car runs over it
now since JERRY DOES A BEND TEST BOTH THE FRONT AND BACK OF THE PHONE you will have an idea of what kind of damage you should be expecting and
if you should dive in to push your phone away
or
let it be it can handle a car running over it
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i can get it back with no problem
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I can gurantee you that any phone you buy will become a brick if it was run over by a car. There, saved you time watching more videos. Lol

Challenge accepted !
oae08 said:
I can gurantee you that any phone you buy will become a brick if it was run over by a car. There, saved you time watching more videos. Lol
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Why argue and waste time rather lets just ask "jerry rigs everything" to throw a google pixel and an Honor 6x under a car. Or lets do it by ourselves but someone will will need to sponsor you to get a free phone to break so yeah we cant pretty much do that can we. HONOR aint sending us a free phone anytime soon so lets see what people do when they get a free one like jerry who practically breaks the phone.
THEN WHY DO I WANT THIS ARGUMENT TO CONTINUE ?
Because my SAMSUNG E500H could manage drops like i dropped it while trying to get a clear snapchat post in a DJ snake concert it practically was being run over by people but it survived with a crack on the digitizer and leaving the LCD un harmed.
Now my HTC 526g+ that had a crappy but decent tempered glass on broke in a simple fall when i missed my pockets and drooped the phone in the METRO.
I have been a person with slippery hands when it comes to phones so it helps me know
like if i got an IPHONE 4s ill cover it in a pillow
if its an OBI WORLDPHONE i will first recollect when was Android 4.4.4 awesome and re-evaluate life's decisions.
if its an honor 6x ill buy a higher quality TEMPERED GLASS and a decent quality PROTECTIVE CASE.
( METAL BODY ALLOWS FOR SOME SERIOUS DAMAGE INTAKE ).
if it is an GOOGLE PIXEL then i can call F U C K IT and throw it screen side down under a car phones internal will be safe but screen might break.

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Why argue and waste time rather lets just ask "jerry rigs everything" to throw a google pixel and an Honor 6x under a car. Or lets do it by ourselves but someone will will need to sponsor you to get a free phone to break so yeah we cant pretty much do that can we. HONOR aint sending us a free phone anytime soon so lets see what people do when they get a free one like jerry who practically breaks the phone.
THEN WHY DO I WANT THIS ARGUMENT TO CONTINUE ?
Because my SAMSUNG E500H could manage drops like i dropped it while trying to get a clear snapchat post in a DJ snake concert it practically was being run over by people but it survived with a crack on the digitizer and leaving the LCD un harmed.
Now my HTC 526g+ that had a crappy but decent tempered glass on broke in a simple fall when i missed my pockets and drooped the phone in the METRO.
I have been a person with slippery hands when it comes to phones so it helps me know
like if i got an IPHONE 4s ill cover it in a pillow
if its an OBI WORLDPHONE i will first recollect when was Android 4.4.4 awesome and re-evaluate life's decisions.
if its an honor 6x ill buy a higher quality TEMPERED GLASS and a decent quality PROTECTIVE CASE.
( METAL BODY ALLOWS FOR SOME SERIOUS DAMAGE INTAKE ).
if it is an GOOGLE PIXEL then i can call F U C K IT and throw it screen side down under a car phones internal will be safe but screen might break.
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Im not sure if you are trolling or serious. Let me tell you something, a phone dropped is not similar to a car running it over. Also ive had 4 phones since the last 5 years, first was a blackberry which screen cracked from a simple fall on the street. Second was my galaxy s3 which is still in good condition despite it falling over a million times, and not to mention i still use it from time to time until this day. My newer galaxy s6 which i had a case and a tampered glass protector got its screen fully broken when it fell less than a meter high. Should we now say that samsung flagship device is really good quality (ex s3) or very bad (ex s6)? The truth is its all about how the phone fell, the angle, the type of surface there are too many variables. Now im using my honor 6x without any cover and it is still as brand new. Even though it fell maybe 2 times it still doesnt have a scratch. So chill with these videos they are nothing scientific and only for entertainment

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Im not sure if you are trolling or serious. Let me tell you something, a phone dropped is not similar to a car running it over. Also ive had 4 phones since the last 5 years, first was a blackberry which screen cracked from a simple fall on the street. Second was my galaxy s3 which is still in good condition despite it falling over a million times, and not to mention i still use it from time to time until this day. My newer galaxy s6 which i had a case and a tampered glass protector got its screen fully broken when it fell less than a meter high. Should we now say that samsung flagship device is really good quality (ex s3) or very bad (ex s6)? The truth is its all about how the phone fell, the angle, the type of surface there are too many variables. Now im using my honor 6x without any cover and it is still as brand new. Even though it fell maybe 2 times it still doesnt have a scratch. So chill with these videos they are nothing scientific and only for entertainment
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Wouldn't that leave a giant variable for people who want to solve problems related to the exact matter if i consider the angle surface, ETC on which my phone drops and breaks.
I can only test my phone by droping it from a height and then fixing problems right and if we do this process over and over again we get a durable phone right.
SADLY, companies cannot spend that much on just making test models and break them over and over again to make a durable phone that costs more than a kidney
ALSO
Droping an object is not a standardized test and cannot be repeated without minimum human error.

hsn97 said:
If you think your phones with gorilla glass won't get scratched without a protector, you're not thinking right.
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You're right, i wanna get a glass screen protector on top of the plastic one included but I'm too lazy, regardless it's still great for the price range.

LG V40 Announced.

Looks like the LG V40 will launch late this year. Some info on it can be found here: https://wccftech.com/lg-v40-specifications-feature-launch-date-leak-specifications-features-price/

https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v40

Guess am sticking with the v20. I cant live without removable battery. But Im always looking to import.

bountyman334 said:
Guess am sticking with the v20. I can't live without removable battery. But Im always looking to import.
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You want removable battery because your battery dies during the day or what? And you want to swap it out?
People keep saying the can't live without removable battery but won't ever say why. My wife and I have not have removable battery on our Androids since 2014, so I don't quite understand.
First, with newer phones with high IP ratings -- like V30 IP68 -- you can't have removable battery without a lot of engineering headache. Also designing back exit port (with clear exit/entry/walls) for user battery removal makes the phone bigger than it needs to be.
Second, the V30 battery life is EXCELLENT. Some days I don't even charge my phone until I get home from work, as the V30 system has great built-in battery saving. I do keep Quick Charge chargers in car and at work, just in case. (Why? Because of my previous phone.)
Coming from a 2014 Moto XT1225 with a 3900 mAh battery, I was very worried about battery life on a phone with smaller battery (3300 mAh) and larger OLED display (6" vs 5.2"). I've been pleasantly surprised. Ironically, the older Moto XT1225 with bigger battery would not hold a charge all day long, thus my charger stash in car and at work... And I'm still going to keep those. There's no harm in charging while I'm using Google Waze navigation or topping off at work while I'm typing on my laptop.
Third, no current or future premium phones are going to have removable battery. See point #1. So, unless you are going to keep buying increasingly older refurbished V20 phones, at some point you're going to need to move forward.
I love IP68 protection, myself and the V30 has headset jack and Qi wireless charging -- which are my "lines in the sand" for what I need on a phone.
I wouldn't mind the LG V40 battery being a little larger than LG V30 3300 mA... but I am quite pleased with the battery performance of the LG V30.

ChazzMatt said:
You want removable battery because your battery dies during the day or what? And you want to swap it out?
People keep saying the can't live without removable battery but won't ever say why. My wife and I have not have removable battery on our Androids since 2014, so I don't quite understand.
First, with newer phones with high IP ratings -- like V30 IP68 -- you can't have removable battery without a lot of engineering headache. Also designing back exit port (with clear exit/entry/walls) for user battery removal makes the phone bigger than it needs to be.
Second, the V30 battery life is EXCELLENT. Some days I don't even charge my phone until I get home from work, as the V30 system has great built-in battery saving. I do keep Quick Charge chargers in car and at work, just in case. (Why? Because of my previous phone.)
Coming from a 2014 Moto XT1225 with a 3900 mAh battery, I was very worried about battery life on a phone with smaller battery (3300 mAh) and larger OLED display (6" vs 5.2"). I've been pleasantly surprised. Ironically, the older Moto XT1225 with bigger battery would not hold a charge all day long, thus my charger stash in car and at work... And I'm still going to keep those. There's no harm in charging while I'm using Google Waze navigation or topping off at work while I'm typing on my laptop.
Third, no current or future premium phones are going to have removable battery. See point #1. So, unless you are going to keep buying increasingly older refurbished V20 phones, at some point you're going to need to move forward.
I love IP68 protection, myself and the V30 has headset jack and Qi wireless charging -- which are my "lines in the sand" for what I need on a phone.
I wouldn't mind the LG V40 battery being a little larger than LG V30 3300 mA... but I am quite pleased with the battery performance of the LG V30.
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I want removable battery so I can replace it myself when it gives signs of wear. Without taking the whole damn phone apart!
I never take baths with my phone, all phones have enough water resistance so you can walk with them in the rain.
I really don't see the point in having water proofing on modern phones. Not when it comes at the cost of repairability or drop resistance.
FACT: old phones with removable battery were much more resistant on drops even if their parts (cover, battery) flew in all directions on big drops. I dropped old Nokia smartphones from 2nd story with no damage. How does water proofing help your flagship these days? They crack from laughable heights of under a meter.
I'm pretty sure drops on hard surfaces are much more common causes for damage than the lack of water proofing ever was in the past.

DLS123 said:
I want removable battery so I can replace it myself when it gives signs of wear.
I never take baths with my phone, all phones have enough water resistance so you can walk with them in the rain.
I really don't see the point in having water proofing on modern phones.
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It's not taking baths, it's the drop off the edge of swimming pool. Drop in the toilet. (Ugh). Kid knocking over pitcher of tea at the dinner table, directly onto your phone.
V30 has mil spec ratings for dropping. See the forum description on the PC website version. Phone will keep functioning. I do keep case on for glass back as it's slippery.
LG V30 in United States has two year warranty.

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It's not taking baths, it's the drop off the edge of swimming pool. Drop in the toilet. (Ugh). Kid knocking over pitcher of tea at the dinner table, directly onto your phone.
V30 has mil spec ratings for dropping. See the forum description on the PC website version. Phone will keep functioning. I do keep case on for glass back as it's slippery.
LG V30 in United States has two year warranty.
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Maybe you shouldn't take the phone near the swimming pool. Or buy a phone specifically made for extreme environments if you're really not able to be careful about using electronics near water or keep it away from kids.
I don't care about the specs for dropping and whatever others have tested and written about the phone.
I learned on my own how those specs mean absolutely nothing. I dropped the V30 from 60 cm on wooden floor. The screen cracked, water resistance is gone. These new designs are terribly flawed. Superior materials (plastics) have been replaced by metal and glass. Neither provides any functional advantage. They just make the phone more heavy and slippery. Add to that the craze about screen to body ratio aiming for 100% that does nothing but make the phones even more fragile.

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Maybe you shouldn't take the phone near the swimming pool. Or buy a phone specifically made for extreme environments if you're really not able to be careful about using electronics near water or keep it away from kids.
I don't care about the specs for dropping and whatever others have tested and written about the phone.
I learned on my own how those specs mean absolutely nothing. I dropped the V30 from 60 cm on wooden floor. The screen cracked, water resistance is gone. These new designs are terribly flawed. Superior materials (plastics) have been replaced by metal and glass. Neither provides any functional advantage. They just make the phone more heavy and slippery. Add to that the craze about screen to body ratio aiming for 100% that does nothing but make the phones even more fragile.
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Well, you're never getting removable battery on a new premium phone, no matter how much you complain.
How often do you replace your batteries anyway?
Love the peace of mind of IP68, whether I ever need it or not. I've not had removable battery phone since 2014 and never missed that feature.
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@DLS123
i think that everything comes down to money... if you had the money you would change the friggin phones every month, every week... but it's like the fox and the grapes (if you understand what i mean)
as for battery change, how often do you change them? once a year? once two years? you might not even keep a phone that much and speaking about the phone beinng dismantled like that it means that you don't even do the operation of changing the battery
ip68 protection is very good. many people kill their phones because of liquid damage. there are many situations you cannot really control, like a sudden rain while you are outside, or dropping the phone into toilet, or having it on the table and someone spill some glass with water on it, etc... ip68 protection is more than welocome, it helps you sleep better at night. i once killed a nexus 5's display because i had it on the floor and at night i wanted to drink some water but because i was sleepy i dropped the bottle on the floor, didn't realize the phone was there until morning when was too late already. you putting the blame on us killing phones because of liquid damage makes you something that i cannot write here... many of us want less stress on our heads about phones. PLEASE do not judge us about something you cannot understand
i have had many phones with alot of physical impact damage, broken screens, broken cases, even bent cases. afterall it is a phone which is not made from vibranium, it's glass and plastic but if you refer at nokia 3310 with "old phones with removable battery" sentence then we might have a problem. everything with a full body display BREAKS, i can and i did, not on purpose anyway. nobody wants their phone to be a second baby and keep it all day long in silk... it's a phone, it's an OBJECT. everything in this world breaks with the right amount of force.
this is why i always use full body cases and tempered glass screen protectors, to minimize the repair costs. i am one of the few ppl out there who do not care about how it looks as long as i do not change display once a month.
damn, i abuse them like hell. my 5x even had three full charges a day, fully emptied, overheated till 80 degrees and it still works like a charm, with new battery and thermal pad to cool the processor little bit more. on the other side v30 gives me twice the battery life n5x had but sometimes i eat two v30's betteries in a day, removed thermal throttle completely so the gpu do not go dows when i play games.
changing the bettery is not that hard, you just need some good double adhesive tape and a small cross screwdriver and, of course, a new bettery which costs 10 euros.
don't be such an ignorant *something* and put your hands to work, evolve yourself or, if you do not want to, keep your outdated v20 and, please, do not criticize our awesome v30

I think water resistance is a great feature. Like insurance, I never intend to use it, but I still like having it "just in case".
I also think user replaceable battery is desirable, because the battery is the one thing that wears the most in a modern smartphone, and the one thing that makes it impractical to use a phone for several years. V30 has good battery life: I charge mine only every 3rd night (occasionally every 2nd night) and generally get 8 hrs SOT or more. But I use Battery Saver most of the time, and I do it mainly to reduce battery wear, because I need to keep this phone useful for at least 3 years. Had the battery been user replaceable, I wouldn't have that concern.
Alas, the two features are not compatible for the reasons described, so each has to prioritize and decide for him/herself.
I prefer anodized aluminium to glass, both for its looks, its feel, and its resistance to fingerprints. Hence V30 wasn't really my preferred phone at first. But it was my wife's, and with T-Mobile's BOGO AND LG's $400 rebate, it was a no-brainer. And I have since come to like it a lot, particularly after I trimmed the bloat, found the right case for it, and after I realized how great that Sabre DAC is. Paired with decent headphones, it really is a poor man's Hi-Fi system -- and a pretty darn good one too.
And I also really appreciate LG's 2-year warranty!

I insisted on 2 things with every phone I ever bought: removable battery and expandable storage. I never once replaced a battery (and every phone was a flagship on a full 2-year contract). I did, however, always rely on an extra microSD card for media and to make it easier and safer to flash new ROMs. But now that I have 128gb built-in, even that is hardly an issue. I never pay any attention to glass vs. aluminum vs. plastic body, because my phones all live in matte black TPU cases so they all look the same from my point of view.
I was as closed-minded as the next guy for nearly a decade, but darned if technology didn't just evolve beyond my needs.

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I was as closed-minded as the next guy for nearly a decade, but darned if technology didn't just evolve beyond my needs.
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LOL. Nice post!
Edit: I haven't yet filled up my 128GB either, even with most of my CDs as FLAC and a ton of hi-res music files to boot. And if I ever do, V30 still has an SD card slot. So it really has worked out to be the right phone for me, even though I didn't realize it at first.

I tried replacing phone batteries in the past. I learned that (1) low price aftermarket batteries have inferior performance and are a gamble with respect to safety, (2) OEM batteries are either way overpriced if fresh (only available while the phone is still in production), or "new" aka unused but stale*, or used and stale*.
Basically, it is a waste of time and money at best to replace a phone battery. (It is also a safety risk with most aftermarket Li-Ion batteries.) So, a phone is a 2 year device. After that, the battery is at end of life, the phone is slipping into obsolescence, time to get a new phone, forget about replacing batteries.
* Li-Ion batteries in this class have only a 2-3 year life whether they are used or not, as soon as they are manufactured the clock is ticking. Freshness matters. A 2-3 year old battery has only 60% or less original fresh capacity.

Tinkerer_ said:
I tried replacing phone batteries in the past. I learned that (1) low price aftermarket batteries have inferior performance and are a gamble with respect to safety, (2) OEM batteries are either way overpriced if fresh (only available while the phone is still in production), or "new" aka unused but stale*, or used and stale*.
Basically, it is a waste of time and money at best to replace a phone battery. (It is also a safety risk with most aftermarket Li-Ion batteries.) So, a phone is a 2 year device. After that, the battery is at end of life, the phone is slipping into obsolescence, time to get a new phone, forget about replacing batteries.
* Li-Ion batteries in this class have only a 2-3 year life whether they are used or not, as soon as they are manufactured the clock is ticking. Freshness matters. A 2-3 year old battery has only 60% or less original fresh capacity.
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Now that's a really good point you're making, that quality batteries are difficult to find after a couple years, or unreasonably expensive. I hadn't thought about that. Of course not that it matters with V30 :silly:
But I will say that good battery care really does make a difference with Li-Ion batteries, including minimizing the number of charging cycles AND minimizing the amount of time spent at the top and bottom of the battery's range (where its chemistry suffers the most). Case in point is the old Samsung laptop on which I am writing this: Its battery wear is still less than 20% after over six years. It is plugged in most of the time, but with Samsung's Battery Life Extender enabled, which stops charging at 80%. During those six year I've used it on battery about twice a week for meetings or presentations or working outside, but I try to avoid running it down completely. I charge it fully to 100% when I need the extra battery runtime, but mostly I have kept it within the 20-80% zone where Li-Ion is most comfortable.
With my V30 it is not practical to stop charging below 100% as I charge overnight. And maybe LG's charging logic makes it unnecessary. But I do avoid running it down completely, and I only charge it every 2-3 nights. So far my battery health is still at 102% after 8 months, according to AccuBattery -- although I am not sure how accurate that really is.
And we have soooooo hijacked this thread

So the V40 aspect of having a non-replaceable battery (like the V30 and most other current phones) was the point that went off on a tangent about the issues of phone battery replacement.
Here's the scenario, where you are careful to maximize your original phone battery by optimal charge state between 20-80%, moderate temperatures, moderate power draws, etc.:
You managed to keep it viable for an unusually long service life, maybe 3 years. Good! (But even optimal charging and service conditions cannot change the chronological aging problem of Li-ion batteries, so 3 years has dropped capacity to only 60% and falling.)
Now, you have a phone that is obsolete, with sub-par battery runtime. And, the other systems of the phone are at end of life too, because it is all designed for a 2 year service life, so failure probability is increasing rapidly.
Available batteries are stale and/or inferior quality (and most are safety hazards).
Are you going to try to keep the phone going with replacement battery? It is past the point of diminishing returns, and most aftermarket batteries are an increased safety hazard too (charging should be done only in a fully ventilated area with nothing nearby that can burn).
After learning all this by experience, I gave up on replacing phone batteries, and the user-replaceable battery.
Face it, a phone is just a disposable 2 year device. Replaceable battery is irrelevant. IMHO.
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Now that's a really good point you're making, that quality batteries are difficult to find after a couple years, or unreasonably expensive. I hadn't thought about that. Of course not that it matters with V30 :silly:
But I will say that good battery care really does make a difference with Li-Ion batteries, including minimizing the number of charging cycles AND minimizing the amount of time spent at the top and bottom of the battery's range (where its chemistry suffers the most). Case in point is the old Samsung laptop on which I am writing this: Its battery wear is still less than 20% after over six years. It is plugged in most of the time, but with Samsung's Battery Life Extender enabled, which stops charging at 80%. During those six year I've used it on battery about twice a week for meetings or presentations or working outside, but I try to avoid running it down completely. I charge it fully to 100% when I need the extra battery runtime, but mostly I have kept it within the 20-80% zone where Li-Ion is most comfortable.
With my V30 it is not practical to stop charging below 100% as I charge overnight. And maybe LG's charging logic makes it unnecessary. But I do avoid running it down completely, and I only charge it every 2-3 nights. So far my battery health is still at 102% after 8 months, according to AccuBattery -- although I am not sure how accurate that really is.
And we have soooooo hijacked this thread
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It's not really hijacking. Somebody said they wouldn't buy a better phone (we're hoping V40 will be a better phone) than the V30 (because it is posted in this thread, so therefore the implied comparison between the two) because it won't have replaceable battery. HUH?
Well, V30 also doesn't have replaceable battery and neither did my previous Motorola phone. So, that person wasn't just criticizing the still unknown V40 but even our current V30 phone.
They won't even buy V30, which is the best phone of 2017.
In a way, we're explaining even our V30, otherwise we would all be stuck using slider keyboards Eclair Androids. For good or bad, software keyboards are defacto. (No, don't even mention BlackBerry. They are not a trend.)
And sealed batteries are defacto.
* IP68 beats any reason for replaceable battery.
* Batteries are goingng to last 2-3 years. By then, you're going to get another phone.
* Also, battery charge lasts longer than in the past, where people needed to swap out batteries mid day.
* There is also QuickCharge technology that will give you six more hours in 15 minutes... I keep Quick Charge in car and at work.
Now you can always argue for bigger batteries, but sealed batteries are here for premium phones.
Same with IR blasters. No one is begging to control their TV with their phone. Sure, it's a "cool" trick to show off one time, but it is a not a real life concern for millions of people.
Now headset jack and Qi wireless charging, THOSE are important.

DLS123 said:
Maybe you shouldn't take the phone near the swimming pool.
Or buy a phone specifically made for extreme environments if you're really not able to be careful about using electronics near water
or keep it away from kids.
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I could also admonish you to never be so clumsy... Forget about hyperactive kids, you dropped and broke your own phone. Ironically, ig you had at least dropped it in water, it would be OK.
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I dropped the V30 from 60 cm (about 24 inches) on wooden floor. The screen cracked, water resistance is gone.
These new designs are terribly flawed. Superior materials (plastics) have been replaced by metal and glass. Neither provides any functional advantage. They just make the phone more heavy and slippery. Add to that the craze about screen to body ratio aiming for 100% that does nothing but make the phones even more fragile.
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Cracked with drop of 2 feet to wooden floor, then you didn't have a case on your phone or the right case? Yeah, it's ironic we have to cover our glass phones with plastic.
You need a case for the back glass and you need raised lip on the case to protect the front display from hitting the floor.
But I like larger displays, I love IP68, I will not buy a phone without Qi wireless charging (so you can't have metal).
I do agree with you that a tightly sealed modern plastic which would still give you IP68 would definitely be better than glass (same plastic stuff race car driver helmets are made of) -- but you still wouldn't have removable battery. Those days are over.
And even though we cover our glass phones with plastic cases, somehow the buying public WANTS shiny glass at least to buy the phone. Then immediately cover it with plastic -- never to be seen again!

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I think water resistance is a great feature. Like insurance, I never intend to use it, but I still like having it "just in case"....
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FWIW, I don't think my V30 would've survived my trip to Spain for San Fermin without IP68. I can say with certainty, that it is not only water resistant, but also WINE RESISTANT!
San Fermin WINE INCOMING!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlJH_ZPBxdT/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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FWIW, I don't think my V30 would've survived my trip to Spain for San Fermin without IP68. I can say with certainty, that it is not only water resistant, but also WINE RESISTANT!
San Fermin WINE INCOMING!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlJH_ZPBxdT/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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LOL Yes, I can see that :laugh:
Drinks with sugar content (like wine and sodas) are some of the worst if they get inside electronics, because the sticky stuff remains and can keep shorting even after the liquid has dried out. So this is a perfect example of where IP68 proved to be "worth the insurance premium".
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You need a case for the back glass and you need upper lip on the case to protect the front display from hitting the floor.
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I started out with a clear TPU case with upper lip (this one) because I was terrified I would drop my expensive new glass phone. And while it did indeed protect, I never got to like the phone all the time I used it: It ruined the V30s elegant design and, ironically, it actually made me drop the phone TWICE on our tile floor because the sticky silicone rubber surface somehow surprised the tactile expectations of my hands when handling the phone.
After a few months I got a hard cover slim skin case instead (this one) and it completely changed my experience with the phone: It looks great (people now ask what kind of phone I have) and feels great in my hands. And while I realize it won't protect as well in case of a drop, I haven't dropped it since, because the mat silky surface behaves as my hands expect.
We recently got the same case for my wife's V30 -- although Rose Gold! She continues to use a Spigen clear TPU case during the week because she often drops her phone at work. But when we go out, she puts on the slim skin case

Late reply,
I understand the need-ness for ip rating and what not, but I can to grips that you'll never find a "flagship" in this day and age with everything you need ie.; Remote control, replacement battery, fast charging, military grade protection (I degress, maybe a sales pitch). I'm pretty sure everyone on xda is a tinker.. wanting to see how everything works.
With that being said I don't knock no one for their choices. I fully support anyone and their ideas. I know we are stuck (v20 7.0 2yrs) with awesome hardware but a ****ty company (sometimes or department). I don't really upgrade that much because I researched alot before I make a decision.