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while on WM5 my free memory never really went below 10 M , even with several programs running.
loaded the new generic WM6 to my generic s620 and while it's nice looking, i'm having serious RAM problems. after a clean boot, free memory is around 18 M.
BUT, having a couple apps open like calendar, messaging, msn, it suddenly drops to only 2 MB available! right now, as I'm typing this it has 1,100K free ram and i have skype and IE open, everything else is closed. yes, ie cache is clean.
i did install voice command and at first suspected it for this sh*t but after disabling (removed from startup).
any ideas?
thx
Greg
Try uninstalling Skype and VoiceCommand for a few days, see how it runs then.
IE will also eat ram and not give it back until it is killed. I always remember to use celetask to close it after i'm done using it.
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IE will also eat ram and not give it back until it is killed. I always remember to use celetask to close it after i'm done using it.
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Talking about kill process, what's the best task manager available for smartphone?
I don't know celetask but I'll give this a try.
The question is - does your device run slowly or not allow you to run applications? Or are you just worried about a small number?
I see the same thing on mine, but it nevers runs slow and I have never hit a 'no memory' problem.
I have calendar, inbox, tasks, contacts, phone history, IE, Communicator, MSN and File Explorer open.
I agree with the above post, IE is a hog and you need to kill it from time to time.
My s620 has been running the HTC official WM6 ROM since the day it was posted and I have rebooted once since then, and that was only because I shut it down for a long flight
Maybe I'm just not a 'power user'?
It's not slow but it kicks out some apps from time to time as there is not enough memory.
For example, when browsing with IE, Skype closes sometimes. That pisses me off.
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It's not slow but it kicks out some apps from time to time as there is not enough memory.
For example, when browsing with IE, Skype closes sometimes. That pisses me off.
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That's normal behavior when system closes some apps for wiping memory, you should try to avoid big memory "eaters" and close some of them..
For me i always try to keep 3-4 apps opened and got no problems..
shtits said:
That's normal behavior when system closes some apps for wiping memory, you should try to avoid big memory "eaters" and close some of them..
For me i always try to keep 3-4 apps opened and got no problems..
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yep, I know this. My problem is that WM5 vs. WM6 --> 10 MB is missing "somewhere"....
I only have Messages and Skype running, everything else is closed. But when I launch IE and it kills Skype I get pissed!
I upgraded mine to wm6 and i have no idea whats wrong, it runs beyond slow! nothin running, and lag like no other! it gets so bad sometimes that i have to restart my phone, and to restart my phone i have to pull my micro sd because i guess it doesnt like 1gig sticks! how and what do i do to fix this! also i would re rom it but i just to want to have to go through the hassle of getting BBConnect working again!
Hmmm... doesn't make sense, as mine actually runs >a lot< faster. Is yours under warranty? Sounds like yours is defective, you should talk to your carrier about a replacement device
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I upgraded mine to wm6 and i have no idea whats wrong, it runs beyond slow! nothin running, and lag like no other! it gets so bad sometimes that i have to restart my phone, and to restart my phone i have to pull my micro sd because i guess it doesnt like 1gig sticks! how and what do i do to fix this! also i would re rom it but i just to want to have to go through the hassle of getting BBConnect working again!
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yep, I know this. My problem is that WM5 vs. WM6 --> 10 MB is missing "somewhere"....
I only have Messages and Skype running, everything else is closed. But when I launch IE and it kills Skype I get pissed!
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I am not using Skype, but gonna think Skype is very "hungry" for memory, for ex for me: when no apps started i have 15mb free, after IE and other 3-4 apps it's 5-6mb free and still no problems..
Hello all,
First off apologies if already discussed although I did search.
My problem is that the internet app on my desire keeps bloating up to more than 20mb in size taking up all my free memory. Whenever I get the dreaded "memory low" notification and I go to my "manage applications" tab it shows that the internet app is hording 20mb of data! Note this is not the the cashe section but the data section. (i have screenshots but nowhere to host them).
I seem to have narrowed it down to when I have closed the browser with a flash heavy site still displayed (skysports.com does nicely) so I can only assume it has something to do with that?
So, has any1 else noticed this? any fix of my to limit how much data an app keeps on phone mem or a way to move it to sd card?
I am using the "official" froyo sense ROM v10c by opendesire - (again apologies if ROM related)
Thanks in advance
Has anybody else managed to replicate this? Its quite annoying!
I've seen this too. Twice. I notice because I get a message about a TXT being discarded because of insufficient storage. I am thinking that it has something to do with watching a flash based movie - do they buffer to internal memory?
yeah i have the same problem,
--using devillian 1.0
How do you guys clear the space. One time I just clicked clear data - but this obviously got rid of my bookmarks too so don't fancy doing that every time.
So, I guess you both use a froyo ROM too? I suppose its to do with flash 10.1? I never noticed it before I updated.
Do you think there is any kind of limit on how much data the internet would store on the phone memory - I assume mine stops at 20mb cos that all the space I have, would it eventually fill the phone memory no matter how much space me have left?
It happened to me twice. It took up 70+ MB of internal storage and I had to clear data losing all other settings and bookmark.
I wonder why is this happening although my cache is only set to 6MB max.
Sent from my HTC Desire
i force kill the app and then reopen it. works most of the time.
yeah im pretty sure its flash thats doing it, happens mostly when i go the sites populated with flash elements
clear all cache of all apps that use it and reboot the fone twice and it should clear ALL internal cache. i had this with 2.1 stock
Any news on this topic...? Running the stock HTC Gingerbread on my Desire and every MB counts in the fight against low space...
(Is there a way to save your bookmarks if the only solution is to clear data...?)
Question:
Has anyone with an Incredible (or htc device?) ever gotten close to filling up the 748mb's of phone memory? What's your maximum?
I know there's a weird storage notification that comes up w/ the Incredible, and correct me if I'm wrong, no one TRULY knows why it happens, right?
So I'm trying to install the MiniSquadron Special Edition. I get this message: "Sorry, there's not enough space to install this item."
I have 487MB available space free in my 748mb's of phone memory.
Why can't I install this item? I am NOT getting the "Low SPace" or "low storage" warnings on my phone currently.
HTC recommends a hard reset. Took it to Verizon today, the tech told me the same thing. Said it *might* fix things. I actually had to teach him that the 748 mb phone memory was not RAM, but what the phone allocates for apps.
Do I have to hard reset? Any solutions? I have a suspicion that if I DO do a hard reset, and reinstall the exact same things on my phone... the same thing will happen.
So, I reiterate my original question:
Has anyone with an Incredible (or htc device?) ever gotten close to filling up the 748mb's of phone memory? What's your maximum?
Or does everyone get this problem, and there's really only 300mb of storage?
*and to top things off my phone randomly vibrates when the screen's on.
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Question:
I know there's a weird storage notification that comes up w/ the Incredible, and correct me if I'm wrong, no one TRULY knows why it happens, right?
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Yes. A lot of people know why this happens. Data for user apps is stored in folder /data/data. This folder is limited to 150 mb. If you get down to less than 15 mb available the warning message starts appearing.
As far as I know, nobody has found a way to expand this limit. Apps that can use up a lot of that space are google earth and saving a lot of emails or text messages. If you're rooted you can use root explorer to look at this folder to see how much space you have available. Only solution is to cleanup old texts and emails or uninstall apps.
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oh, so the low storage warning comes from the DATA that apps use, not the apps themselves.
i'll just be diligent in trying to clear out my emails and texts.
do you know why i am getting no low storage warning, but it still tells me that "sorry, there's not enough space to install this item?"
or is it the same thing?
On the market it shows minisquadron special edition at 23mb. I don't know if that means app size only, or app plus data. But I assume since you're receiving that message, there's not enough room in /data/data to install the app.
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I'm not sure how the developer that started the thread I'm going to post a link to here feels about me pointing people to his thread, but I think this person has made a good attack on the /data/data problem.
It's worth looking over. I'm a beta-tester for his app, and it's saved me > 50% of the space I was wasting in /data/data. I'm using the linked loop filesystem on the /sdcard approach mentioned in that thread. Google Earth alone was taking 50% of my usage (30M), now is taking ~< 1M).
Anyway, worth checking out::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=853001
thanks for the link! i'm not rooted... but this makes me want to try and root.
i guess i'll have to be paranoid about clearing data and stuff like that.
will clearing facebook data erase the links set up in my contacts?
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thanks for the link! i'm not rooted... but this makes me want to try and root.
i guess i'll have to be paranoid about clearing data and stuff like that.
will clearing facebook data erase the links set up in my contacts?
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If you're referring to the notenoughspace app linked above, it doesn't clear your data. It instead allows you to move selected application subfolders to the sdcard, which frees up space in the /data/data folder.
You can clear data for user installed apps thru Settings> Manage Applications. But don't think I'd try that for facebook. Clearing cache is a safer option.
Data for an app is all the information an app needs to run. If you clear data, the next time you start the app it will be like a fresh install and all the required data will just be recreated anyway.
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so, i forgot i wanted to see what you guys have--
how much memory do you guys have on your Incredibles? how much space is filled up?
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so, i forgot i wanted to see what you guys have--
how much memory do you guys have on your Incredibles? how much space is filled up?
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I think, for me, that ~750M of memory (and I mean memory for applications) is fine. I haven't yet gotten more than 200M of that in use and doubt I will.
The more important figure isn't memory (DRAM/App Memory), it is what we were talking about above. It's the size of the separately mounted /data/data partition which is, I think, only about ~160M. Even on my relatively sparsely populated Inc, that partition was nearly full. Google Earth uses 30M in just libs there.
That's what NES, the app above, addresses, so there is a way out, especially now that the dev has allowed usage of a loop partition in the /mnt/emmc partition. That allows the /sdcard to still mount with a USB cable without any contention.
Anyway, the thing that made the Droid 1 so slow and easily bogged down was a lack of actual memory (250M if I recall), and the Inc doesn't have that problem a bit. The Droid 1 I had was overclocked to 1.1Ghz but was very slow by comparison to the Dinc. and I think that's all due to the amount of physical memory.
well, the struggle for memory continues...
what would happen if i cleared the data for the facebook app?
it's over 32mb big.
i dont want it to erase all the contacts pics i have set up, although, is that facebook for htc sense? different?
on a side note, i notice that if i periodically clear dialer storage, aka text messages, that helps w/ the warning.
If you are rooted you should be able to move the app to your SD card? Or am I wrong? I use root explorer and I can move any app I download to the SD card.
no, i'm not rooted, unfortunately. maybe this'll be one of the reasons why i root...
anyways, no, i'm not, so i don't have root explorer.
know what clearing data in facebook app does?
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If you're referring to the notenoughspace app linked above, it doesn't clear your data. It instead allows you to move selected application subfolders to the sdcard, which frees up space in the /data/data folder.
You can clear data for user installed apps thru Settings> Manage Applications. But don't think I'd try that for facebook. Clearing cache is a safer option.
Data for an app is all the information an app needs to run. If you clear data, the next time you start the app it will be like a fresh install and all the required data will just be recreated anyway.
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Rigman: I never saw this, but was under the impression that cache under the incredible was kept in two categories, one at a system level in /cache which is ~193M and the other at the app level which /data/data/{app}/cache covers. (which is helped by NES}.
So I'm thinking that based on your response, you know that this person's problems with data space are in the system /cache? I was just curious how you knew that. I'm also curious if that problem has been as big a one in general as the /data/data problem which I hear about a lot.
Maybe it can be tackled in some similar fashion by another NES type (or the same one) app.
Thanks,
Hashi
I have a 1 gb ext3 part on my SD card....
couldn't a soft link from /data/data to a file or directory in the ext3 work
to expand /data/data expanding the space? I guess as long the app opening
space didn't need it until after the sd card is available. Not sure how to
mount the ext3 part tho .... does Android have an equivilent to
/etc/rc.d/rc.local in BSD to issue the mount? or /etc/fstab (with a way to delay
until the right time in boot up)? Will power button power down unmount it?
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couldn't a soft link from /data/data to a file or directory in the ext3 work
to expand /data/data expanding the space? I guess as long the app opening
space didn't need it until after the sd card is available. Not sure how to
mount the ext3 part tho .... does Android have an equivilent to
/etc/rc.d/rc.local in BSD to issue the mount? or /etc/fstab (with a way to delay
until the right time in boot up)? Will power button power down unmount it?
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Yeah, but that is basically how NES works (in my first post in this thread). It creates a loop partition on the /sdcard or /emmc partition, and inside the loop partition is an ext3/4 FS. This was it just appears as a single file, not a filesystem, and can go onto a fat32 formatted 'drive'. That stuff all works fine. There is a mount/dismount ability from either the app or term emulator.
The drift I'm getting here is that this thread isn't all about /data/data. Do you know if that's the case? I guess there is also the old /cache partition and thought I've not experienced it, it probably can also fill up.
I don't know why something similar to the above couldn't be tried on the /cache partition but this possibly gets into a messier world where you have to get in at init.d time and force a different sort of mount to /cache to open it up a bit. It depends on what sort of structure the fs has inside /cache. (and if that's a problem).
Wow, you guys are good! Question is, is there anything I can do? Is this a google problem, or htc problem? Does this internal memory problem happen on motorola droids?
also, why does this problem still exist? Does google not know or not care?
On a side note, maybe you guys can help. When I hold down the search button to start google voice search, and speak something like " call mcdonalds, " it will try to call mcdonalds, and get the phone number correct EXCEPT for adding a " +1" before the number, which means it won't dial. Htc doesn't know what to do except NOT use this function, but to use vlingo. also, my google voice had some numbers show up with a" +1" . It's weird.
I think it's a htc sense problem, cuz non htc phones doesn't have this problem. Also, rooted users don't have this problem either.
Any suggestions? Would a hard reset help?
I have a droid and took a look. It appears to be a Google thing, not an HTC one since my droid has ~95M of /cache and a similar amount for /data/data. It also has much less DRAM and without using the SD card for apps (apps2SD) has more problems than this. (mostly manifested by poor speed regardless of overclock,etc)
Why exist? Take a look at the google bug base, and well, you'll see how many problems exist It's probably low on the list of things to do.
The other bit of this is that flash , although finite, could potentially be arranged in anyway via design. They could have given us more /system, more /data/data, more /cache, but for some reason these are the choices they made. The thing that maybe is unique to the Inc and I'm not sure of this is /mnt/emmc, which isn't hardly used for much of anything, so there was more room available for the MTDBlock{devs} to be used in other ways.
Sorry -- I'm out of answers I'm hoping they do a better job say, in gingerbread, or whatever the lastest bit of 'hot peanut fudge ice cream' OS upgrade that is next on the list. If there is any hardware related restriction (that I can't see right now), then hopefully the fact that our Dinc's are somewhat done for generation-ally will mean that the next HTC's , Motorola's will do a better job from the HW standpoint as well.
INTERESTING...
i had to clear my sd card, so i moved all of the apps that were on there back onto my phone. i have taken up 500 some MB of space on my phone now, with about 200MB left.
VERY interesting. i know that the low space warning doesn't really have anything to do w/ the storage, but the app storage, i just never thought i'd see that much on my phone w/o getting the low space warning.
and i have NOT gotten the low space warning, too, btw.
and i'm willing to bet if i downloaded those apps instead of retransferring them back on my phone, i'd get that low space warning...
I have noticed that when I first install a new ROM--GB, ICS, or JB, doesn't seem to matter--my phone runs lickety-split fast and is wonderful.
Over the course of a few days, though, it starts to become sluggish and laggy. When it starts to get extreme, the OS will frequently pop messages about "xxxxx is not responding. Would you like to close it?"
The only possible correlation I can discern is that this sluggish behavior seems to get worse when I install more apps. I am running the EXT4 unlimited data mod, and typically have ~200MB free in the /datadata partition. I think I start seeing the sluggishness when /datadata free space starts dropping into the 400-350MB range or so.
Have other folks noticed similar sluggishness? Has anyone else figured out what the trigger for it is, and how to avoid it?
I'd be curious to see people respond to the following questions:
1) Do you perceive your Inc to be generally "fast" or "sluggish"?
2) How much free space is in your /datadata partition? (Does anyone _not_ run the unlimited data mod these days?)
Thanks....
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I have noticed that when I first install a new ROM--GB, ICS, or JB, doesn't seem to matter--my phone runs lickety-split fast and is wonderful.
Over the course of a few days, though, it starts to become sluggish and laggy. When it starts to get extreme, the OS will frequently pop messages about "xxxxx is not responding. Would you like to close it?"
The only possible correlation I can discern is that this sluggish behavior seems to get worse when I install more apps. I am running the EXT4 unlimited data mod, and typically have ~200MB free in the /datadata partition. I think I start seeing the sluggishness when /datadata free space starts dropping into the 400-350MB range or so.
Have other folks noticed similar sluggishness? Has anyone else figured out what the trigger for it is, and how to avoid it?
I'd be curious to see people respond to the following questions:
1) Do you perceive your Inc to be generally "fast" or "sluggish"?
2) How much free space is in your /datadata partition? (Does anyone _not_ run the unlimited data mod these days?)
Thanks....
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I think mine is mostly fast. It sometimes bogs down, but usually recovers without reboots or fc's.
I am using the ext4 mod, and i have 243.44mb free in data/datadata at the moment.
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I'd be curious to see people respond to the following questions:
1) Do you perceive your Inc to be generally "fast" or "sluggish"?
2) How much free space is in your /datadata partition? (Does anyone _not_ run the unlimited data mod these days?)
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I do not use the unlimited data mod, I have been managing with a 150Mb /datadata partition. I don't use Facebook or Chrome, I know Chrome is a huge space hog and I've heard Facebook is too. For me the biggest downside of not using the nodatalimit mod is having to keep a decent number of apps on the sd card (some apps, when moved to SD, take their /datadata junk along with them), which makes mounting and unmounting it pretty slow, also slows down boot times. I rarely unmount the sd though, I typically copy stuff to and from an SMB share on my desktop computer - but I digress...
1. My dinc is pretty fast. I have seen more of the slowdown you describe on other people's phones and on my own phone with ICS/JB. (JB was especially bad when we had the bug where the CPU max frequency would get stuck at 614kHz). I ran Ice Cream Senseless for several months (which is GB/Sense themed and stripped), often saw uptimes of over 200 hours, and had zero problems with sluggishness or FC's.
2. Currently my phone storage partition shows:
/data 748M total, 223.7M used, 524.3M free
...and my /datadata partition shows:
/data/data 149M total, 117M used, 32M free
Titanium Backup gives a nice breakdown of how much storage apps are using, though it takes a very, very long time to calculate it.
the biggest space hogs for me is email(i have 4 accounts), facebook and a few you don;t have control over like Google Maps, Amazon App Store, Text messages, ect....So for me, I was easily exceeding 70-80 MB out of 150 for just data. Hence, once you get to below 20-30 mb free, the phone becomes unstable and in danger of going into a boot loop. I was able to use APP2SD Pro App to delete cache files occasionally but that was getting to be a tedious every day task.
Right now I at about 240-330 free of 750. About 70 MB seems to be stuff the Google Play Store caches so I have to clear that occasionally.
One thing I wonder if people are keeping track of-the Dinc and alot of older Android devices have only 512 mb of RAM. Some are worse and only 256mb. Installing programs even if not in use seems to load the programs in memory. if the memory manager does not kill these efficiently, you might get slow to sluggish behaviour. I am running OS Monitor on my phones and it does report that I have only about 45 mb of RAM free. the worst seems to happen when you are switching between apps alot-I think it;s possible for a 2nd or 3rd instance of a program to get loaded in memory temporarily. So I have removed as much from my installation as possible-stuff that should be benign like GMAIL just to prevent it from loading.
I don;t know any of this to be a fact though, I am just an end user sharing my experience.
Just an update on storage space issues, I recently installed a bunch of apps that had to reside in the phone memory. Checked in App2sd and it said I consumed about 600 of the 749 mb. I uninstalled the unnecessary stuff and cleared the cache. So I am sitting on 280 mb free now.
Without the low space fix ext4 mod, this would have been a FATAL situation resulting in a boot loop and needing a complete wipe and reset.
Sent from a HTC Droid Incredible running CM 10.1
Was getting low storage error and moved a bunch of apps to sd card and my data/data folder showed I had like 80mb free and error went away. Couple days later error came back without adding any new apps and I was under 15mb free, figured this was weird and restarted my phone and it went back to 78mb free.
So what could cause this? Is something not clearing out right here on its own? Btw I am on a stock deodexed rom.
if you don;t install the EXT4 fix, the stock configuration is for the Data partition to be a paltry 149 mb. That can get filled up pretty quickly-mostly by apps like the messaging app, Google Maps and anything else that needs to stored data in this "high performance/secure" location. i put it in quotes because it;s the "official reason" for doing this but I think it;s crap. in reality it;s a design flaw by HTC that never got fixed. also, files from the Playstore get cached to this partion which is why the free space available can jump up and down. there is only so much moving apps to SD Card will fix. the problem is certain apps accumulate data over time.
If you do install it you will have 749 mb available. if you have a rooted Dinc, I think there is no reason not to install it. then again I am not certain if your ROM is compatible. I hear that Touch of Blue has this fix integrated into it if you want to stay on Gingerbread.
this thread probably has all the info you need
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1488351
Thnaks man but it's not that, something is just "wrong" with it lol.
It will say I have close to 80mb free and just a few hours later be full. I noticed If I go into Titanium Backup and do some stuff (like removing orphan data) or something it seems to fix it and the low on storage space error goes away and frees up like 60-70mb instantly. This never used to be like this.
Wonder if it's just a sign of an aging cpu or phone not calculating how much free space is there properly.
did you install the fix? if you did not, then do it. the Dinc is a very well known device. Us users have beaten this device to death over the last 3 years. there is not too much new going on. it could be possible that your device is failing and if it is, get a new one.
before I rooted my Dinc, it was a daily struggle for me to keep this partition from filling up. for me the combo of data being consumed by Amazon App store, Google Play store and mostly my email client with 4 email accounts. 149 mb is just too small.