Hello all,
First off apologies if already discussed although I did search.
My problem is that the internet app on my desire keeps bloating up to more than 20mb in size taking up all my free memory. Whenever I get the dreaded "memory low" notification and I go to my "manage applications" tab it shows that the internet app is hording 20mb of data! Note this is not the the cashe section but the data section. (i have screenshots but nowhere to host them).
I seem to have narrowed it down to when I have closed the browser with a flash heavy site still displayed (skysports.com does nicely) so I can only assume it has something to do with that?
So, has any1 else noticed this? any fix of my to limit how much data an app keeps on phone mem or a way to move it to sd card?
I am using the "official" froyo sense ROM v10c by opendesire - (again apologies if ROM related)
Thanks in advance
Has anybody else managed to replicate this? Its quite annoying!
I've seen this too. Twice. I notice because I get a message about a TXT being discarded because of insufficient storage. I am thinking that it has something to do with watching a flash based movie - do they buffer to internal memory?
yeah i have the same problem,
--using devillian 1.0
How do you guys clear the space. One time I just clicked clear data - but this obviously got rid of my bookmarks too so don't fancy doing that every time.
So, I guess you both use a froyo ROM too? I suppose its to do with flash 10.1? I never noticed it before I updated.
Do you think there is any kind of limit on how much data the internet would store on the phone memory - I assume mine stops at 20mb cos that all the space I have, would it eventually fill the phone memory no matter how much space me have left?
It happened to me twice. It took up 70+ MB of internal storage and I had to clear data losing all other settings and bookmark.
I wonder why is this happening although my cache is only set to 6MB max.
Sent from my HTC Desire
i force kill the app and then reopen it. works most of the time.
yeah im pretty sure its flash thats doing it, happens mostly when i go the sites populated with flash elements
clear all cache of all apps that use it and reboot the fone twice and it should clear ALL internal cache. i had this with 2.1 stock
Any news on this topic...? Running the stock HTC Gingerbread on my Desire and every MB counts in the fight against low space...
(Is there a way to save your bookmarks if the only solution is to clear data...?)
I'm running dzo's kernel 09/09/10 and dzo's froyo 02/09/10, but I've been experiencing these problems with the CyanogenMod port as well. Basically the phone often becomes sluggish and unresponsive. I've tried using Startup Manager to trim down the running processes, but it doesn't seem to work for me. Taskpanel seems to show a typical free memory level of less than 30MB. I'm not running a huge number of apps, although everything is installed to flash, as is Android.
Is there anything I can do to prevent these slowdowns? I take it installing apps to SD card won't actually free up core memory.
Typically in my experience Froyo or rather CM6 tends to get sluggish after a while, due to more and more processes using up available RAM, I'm not sure this is actually helped by task management, since most tasks simply restart if killed before they have done their job.
It's not just confined to our Kaiser CM6 ports either, I had the same sort of thing on my G1.
I just went back to 2.1 builds and have been happy with my average 30Mb free ram ever since, without task management, and yes, that includes my G1.
Apps2sd will free up space on data storage, however it will not free up RAM sadly, which is where the problem is.
Another thing I have found recently on the froyo that is slowing me down is the stupid download folder on the sd card. The market uses this and if you have a partial download, ever, it seems to cause issues until you delete the files out of there.
Question:
Has anyone with an Incredible (or htc device?) ever gotten close to filling up the 748mb's of phone memory? What's your maximum?
I know there's a weird storage notification that comes up w/ the Incredible, and correct me if I'm wrong, no one TRULY knows why it happens, right?
So I'm trying to install the MiniSquadron Special Edition. I get this message: "Sorry, there's not enough space to install this item."
I have 487MB available space free in my 748mb's of phone memory.
Why can't I install this item? I am NOT getting the "Low SPace" or "low storage" warnings on my phone currently.
HTC recommends a hard reset. Took it to Verizon today, the tech told me the same thing. Said it *might* fix things. I actually had to teach him that the 748 mb phone memory was not RAM, but what the phone allocates for apps.
Do I have to hard reset? Any solutions? I have a suspicion that if I DO do a hard reset, and reinstall the exact same things on my phone... the same thing will happen.
So, I reiterate my original question:
Has anyone with an Incredible (or htc device?) ever gotten close to filling up the 748mb's of phone memory? What's your maximum?
Or does everyone get this problem, and there's really only 300mb of storage?
*and to top things off my phone randomly vibrates when the screen's on.
funkpod said:
Question:
I know there's a weird storage notification that comes up w/ the Incredible, and correct me if I'm wrong, no one TRULY knows why it happens, right?
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Yes. A lot of people know why this happens. Data for user apps is stored in folder /data/data. This folder is limited to 150 mb. If you get down to less than 15 mb available the warning message starts appearing.
As far as I know, nobody has found a way to expand this limit. Apps that can use up a lot of that space are google earth and saving a lot of emails or text messages. If you're rooted you can use root explorer to look at this folder to see how much space you have available. Only solution is to cleanup old texts and emails or uninstall apps.
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oh, so the low storage warning comes from the DATA that apps use, not the apps themselves.
i'll just be diligent in trying to clear out my emails and texts.
do you know why i am getting no low storage warning, but it still tells me that "sorry, there's not enough space to install this item?"
or is it the same thing?
On the market it shows minisquadron special edition at 23mb. I don't know if that means app size only, or app plus data. But I assume since you're receiving that message, there's not enough room in /data/data to install the app.
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I'm not sure how the developer that started the thread I'm going to post a link to here feels about me pointing people to his thread, but I think this person has made a good attack on the /data/data problem.
It's worth looking over. I'm a beta-tester for his app, and it's saved me > 50% of the space I was wasting in /data/data. I'm using the linked loop filesystem on the /sdcard approach mentioned in that thread. Google Earth alone was taking 50% of my usage (30M), now is taking ~< 1M).
Anyway, worth checking out::
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=853001
thanks for the link! i'm not rooted... but this makes me want to try and root.
i guess i'll have to be paranoid about clearing data and stuff like that.
will clearing facebook data erase the links set up in my contacts?
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thanks for the link! i'm not rooted... but this makes me want to try and root.
i guess i'll have to be paranoid about clearing data and stuff like that.
will clearing facebook data erase the links set up in my contacts?
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If you're referring to the notenoughspace app linked above, it doesn't clear your data. It instead allows you to move selected application subfolders to the sdcard, which frees up space in the /data/data folder.
You can clear data for user installed apps thru Settings> Manage Applications. But don't think I'd try that for facebook. Clearing cache is a safer option.
Data for an app is all the information an app needs to run. If you clear data, the next time you start the app it will be like a fresh install and all the required data will just be recreated anyway.
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so, i forgot i wanted to see what you guys have--
how much memory do you guys have on your Incredibles? how much space is filled up?
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so, i forgot i wanted to see what you guys have--
how much memory do you guys have on your Incredibles? how much space is filled up?
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I think, for me, that ~750M of memory (and I mean memory for applications) is fine. I haven't yet gotten more than 200M of that in use and doubt I will.
The more important figure isn't memory (DRAM/App Memory), it is what we were talking about above. It's the size of the separately mounted /data/data partition which is, I think, only about ~160M. Even on my relatively sparsely populated Inc, that partition was nearly full. Google Earth uses 30M in just libs there.
That's what NES, the app above, addresses, so there is a way out, especially now that the dev has allowed usage of a loop partition in the /mnt/emmc partition. That allows the /sdcard to still mount with a USB cable without any contention.
Anyway, the thing that made the Droid 1 so slow and easily bogged down was a lack of actual memory (250M if I recall), and the Inc doesn't have that problem a bit. The Droid 1 I had was overclocked to 1.1Ghz but was very slow by comparison to the Dinc. and I think that's all due to the amount of physical memory.
well, the struggle for memory continues...
what would happen if i cleared the data for the facebook app?
it's over 32mb big.
i dont want it to erase all the contacts pics i have set up, although, is that facebook for htc sense? different?
on a side note, i notice that if i periodically clear dialer storage, aka text messages, that helps w/ the warning.
If you are rooted you should be able to move the app to your SD card? Or am I wrong? I use root explorer and I can move any app I download to the SD card.
no, i'm not rooted, unfortunately. maybe this'll be one of the reasons why i root...
anyways, no, i'm not, so i don't have root explorer.
know what clearing data in facebook app does?
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If you're referring to the notenoughspace app linked above, it doesn't clear your data. It instead allows you to move selected application subfolders to the sdcard, which frees up space in the /data/data folder.
You can clear data for user installed apps thru Settings> Manage Applications. But don't think I'd try that for facebook. Clearing cache is a safer option.
Data for an app is all the information an app needs to run. If you clear data, the next time you start the app it will be like a fresh install and all the required data will just be recreated anyway.
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Rigman: I never saw this, but was under the impression that cache under the incredible was kept in two categories, one at a system level in /cache which is ~193M and the other at the app level which /data/data/{app}/cache covers. (which is helped by NES}.
So I'm thinking that based on your response, you know that this person's problems with data space are in the system /cache? I was just curious how you knew that. I'm also curious if that problem has been as big a one in general as the /data/data problem which I hear about a lot.
Maybe it can be tackled in some similar fashion by another NES type (or the same one) app.
Thanks,
Hashi
I have a 1 gb ext3 part on my SD card....
couldn't a soft link from /data/data to a file or directory in the ext3 work
to expand /data/data expanding the space? I guess as long the app opening
space didn't need it until after the sd card is available. Not sure how to
mount the ext3 part tho .... does Android have an equivilent to
/etc/rc.d/rc.local in BSD to issue the mount? or /etc/fstab (with a way to delay
until the right time in boot up)? Will power button power down unmount it?
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couldn't a soft link from /data/data to a file or directory in the ext3 work
to expand /data/data expanding the space? I guess as long the app opening
space didn't need it until after the sd card is available. Not sure how to
mount the ext3 part tho .... does Android have an equivilent to
/etc/rc.d/rc.local in BSD to issue the mount? or /etc/fstab (with a way to delay
until the right time in boot up)? Will power button power down unmount it?
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Yeah, but that is basically how NES works (in my first post in this thread). It creates a loop partition on the /sdcard or /emmc partition, and inside the loop partition is an ext3/4 FS. This was it just appears as a single file, not a filesystem, and can go onto a fat32 formatted 'drive'. That stuff all works fine. There is a mount/dismount ability from either the app or term emulator.
The drift I'm getting here is that this thread isn't all about /data/data. Do you know if that's the case? I guess there is also the old /cache partition and thought I've not experienced it, it probably can also fill up.
I don't know why something similar to the above couldn't be tried on the /cache partition but this possibly gets into a messier world where you have to get in at init.d time and force a different sort of mount to /cache to open it up a bit. It depends on what sort of structure the fs has inside /cache. (and if that's a problem).
Wow, you guys are good! Question is, is there anything I can do? Is this a google problem, or htc problem? Does this internal memory problem happen on motorola droids?
also, why does this problem still exist? Does google not know or not care?
On a side note, maybe you guys can help. When I hold down the search button to start google voice search, and speak something like " call mcdonalds, " it will try to call mcdonalds, and get the phone number correct EXCEPT for adding a " +1" before the number, which means it won't dial. Htc doesn't know what to do except NOT use this function, but to use vlingo. also, my google voice had some numbers show up with a" +1" . It's weird.
I think it's a htc sense problem, cuz non htc phones doesn't have this problem. Also, rooted users don't have this problem either.
Any suggestions? Would a hard reset help?
I have a droid and took a look. It appears to be a Google thing, not an HTC one since my droid has ~95M of /cache and a similar amount for /data/data. It also has much less DRAM and without using the SD card for apps (apps2SD) has more problems than this. (mostly manifested by poor speed regardless of overclock,etc)
Why exist? Take a look at the google bug base, and well, you'll see how many problems exist It's probably low on the list of things to do.
The other bit of this is that flash , although finite, could potentially be arranged in anyway via design. They could have given us more /system, more /data/data, more /cache, but for some reason these are the choices they made. The thing that maybe is unique to the Inc and I'm not sure of this is /mnt/emmc, which isn't hardly used for much of anything, so there was more room available for the MTDBlock{devs} to be used in other ways.
Sorry -- I'm out of answers I'm hoping they do a better job say, in gingerbread, or whatever the lastest bit of 'hot peanut fudge ice cream' OS upgrade that is next on the list. If there is any hardware related restriction (that I can't see right now), then hopefully the fact that our Dinc's are somewhat done for generation-ally will mean that the next HTC's , Motorola's will do a better job from the HW standpoint as well.
INTERESTING...
i had to clear my sd card, so i moved all of the apps that were on there back onto my phone. i have taken up 500 some MB of space on my phone now, with about 200MB left.
VERY interesting. i know that the low space warning doesn't really have anything to do w/ the storage, but the app storage, i just never thought i'd see that much on my phone w/o getting the low space warning.
and i have NOT gotten the low space warning, too, btw.
and i'm willing to bet if i downloaded those apps instead of retransferring them back on my phone, i'd get that low space warning...
I keep getting low space messages even though I have around 500MB free space. I understand that the OS needs a bit of free space but this seems a rather large amount. In fact 500MB is more space that the whole of my last phone (HTC Desire) had across all partitions and then I would get notifications about low space when I only had around 16MB free.
Is there any hack/mod force stop this happening when there's such a high amount of space?
Thanks
I'm running AOKP build 38 but this has happened across all roms I've tried.
Heres an example of it happening when I had around 490MB free. http://i.imgur.com/PyzuB.jpg
Your phone sees it as you only have 3.1% space left, and since everything is stored internally on the GNex, that is dangerously close to the loss of function of apps and such (due to caching needs and so on)... soooo no.... you should probably delete some unnecessary bulk?
I am actually running into the same problem, but it is only when I try installing from an .apk directly. When I download something from the play store I do not experience this problem. I have well over 7GB free...
Anyone else experience this?
Edit: Nevermind, it was a single .apk that was the problem.
Was getting low storage error and moved a bunch of apps to sd card and my data/data folder showed I had like 80mb free and error went away. Couple days later error came back without adding any new apps and I was under 15mb free, figured this was weird and restarted my phone and it went back to 78mb free.
So what could cause this? Is something not clearing out right here on its own? Btw I am on a stock deodexed rom.
if you don;t install the EXT4 fix, the stock configuration is for the Data partition to be a paltry 149 mb. That can get filled up pretty quickly-mostly by apps like the messaging app, Google Maps and anything else that needs to stored data in this "high performance/secure" location. i put it in quotes because it;s the "official reason" for doing this but I think it;s crap. in reality it;s a design flaw by HTC that never got fixed. also, files from the Playstore get cached to this partion which is why the free space available can jump up and down. there is only so much moving apps to SD Card will fix. the problem is certain apps accumulate data over time.
If you do install it you will have 749 mb available. if you have a rooted Dinc, I think there is no reason not to install it. then again I am not certain if your ROM is compatible. I hear that Touch of Blue has this fix integrated into it if you want to stay on Gingerbread.
this thread probably has all the info you need
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1488351
Thnaks man but it's not that, something is just "wrong" with it lol.
It will say I have close to 80mb free and just a few hours later be full. I noticed If I go into Titanium Backup and do some stuff (like removing orphan data) or something it seems to fix it and the low on storage space error goes away and frees up like 60-70mb instantly. This never used to be like this.
Wonder if it's just a sign of an aging cpu or phone not calculating how much free space is there properly.
did you install the fix? if you did not, then do it. the Dinc is a very well known device. Us users have beaten this device to death over the last 3 years. there is not too much new going on. it could be possible that your device is failing and if it is, get a new one.
before I rooted my Dinc, it was a daily struggle for me to keep this partition from filling up. for me the combo of data being consumed by Amazon App store, Google Play store and mostly my email client with 4 email accounts. 149 mb is just too small.