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I've finally got to the stage where I am completely hacked off at having to keep uninstalling apps due to running out of space in the internal memory.
I'm hoping to do it all in one hit, and what I want is recommendation for a decent, stable ROM - I don't want to have to chop and change, reflashing ROM after ROM.
I used to do this with my old Dream, and it was fun when I had the time, but things have changed for me now and I need a reliable phone.
What I need: Apps2SD, stability
Nice to have but not essential: Better battery life (underclocked kernel?)
Dream stuff, but not at the expense of first two: Speed increase, Froyo goodies
I don't care about SenseUI one bit - in fact I've pretty much removed/replaced nearly every trace of it on my phone, by using Launcher Pro and non-Sense apps/widgets.
However, I'd like to know if it's possible to keep the text selection function contained within the standard browser on my phone? It also works the same in DolphinHD, which leads me to believe it's integrated into the Sense framework? I don't know if I can get that with Froyo though.
If I do go for a Froyo ROM, I'd like to know what won't work. I gather video recording is broken - don't care about that. Is there anything else that don't work?
Any advice or recommendations, pretty please!
If you go to the roms dev section and look at all the roms chefs have cooked you will figure out which ones you prefer and which ones you may like. The chef will either tell you what doesnt work and later if you read the comments members will provide additional feedback.
There is no 'best' rom each one has + and -
Hi,
Im nog allowed to post this link in the development section, so im sorry if its wrong here. Can anyone tell me the differences between the CM7 rom and the oxygen rom? What are the pro's and con's of each rom? Tried a lot of google searches, but couldnt find it.
Patrick
still_the_same said:
Hi,
Im nog allowed to post this link in the development section, so im sorry if its wrong here. Can anyone tell me the differences between the CM7 rom and the oxygen rom? What are the pro's and con's of each rom? Tried a lot of google searches, but couldnt find it.
Patrick
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Depends if you want a technical explanation or simple?
As simple as it gets.. Nothing!
They are both GREAT Rom's by GREAT developers. However, they are also BOTH in "pre-stable" release status. This doesnt mean they arent stable, actually they are both insanely stable. It just means neither is a "Final Product"
Both share most of the same basic features and neither really has a downside or drawbacks.. it's all personal preference. I LOVED Oxygen when I was running it, but for me, the new features/tweaks/bugfixes of the CM7 nightlies just drew me in
Both have their own HBOOT, both support A2SD (though Cm7 is a seperate flashable zip) and both have a pretty stable following as far as theme support..
It really just comes down to you.. read through the threads/changelogs and see if one draws your attention more than the other.. remember, once you are rooted, it only takes a minute or two to flash a new ROM.. if you dont like the one you choose, try the other.
I find that CM7 actually works. I can't get Oxygen to install at all. The download messes up so the md5 is a mismatch and as such, when installed it doesn't. Just returns a bad request. But as mikeandjaimie said, there are very little differences. To be honest, you can't get someone to tell you what is better or not. It is down to you. Your own preference. Try them both out for a little bit and see which you like.
I've tried both over the last week (tried GingerVillain too) and I prefer Oxygen out of the 2 you mentioned. it's very basic, but I really like it. only had a problem with the Launcher Pro calendar widget, but everything else works fine. On CM I had some bad battery drain, but other people like it.
I actually managed to get Oxygen to work today and I am testing it a bit. Obviously there are still going to be bugs around but it's pretty stable. Oxygen is minimal. It uses the default Android launcher whereas CM7 uses ADWLauncher. I can't really tell the difference between them both really. Like I said above it is down to preference. There are no real differences at all.
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Both share most of the same basic features and neither really has a downside or drawbacks.. it's all personal preference. I LOVED Oxygen when I was running it, but for me, the new features/tweaks/bugfixes of the CM7 nightlies just drew me in
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What features do you prefer in CM7 as opposed to oxygen?
...just interested
Well I haven't used oxygen in a bit, but they hadn't added any of the CM specific tweaks and features yet.. mostly stuff like gestures, etc.
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CM patches are used for pretty much everything in Oxygen, so most features are alike. I like both, but prefer bleeding edge so CM nightlies FTW
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I have never used oxygen roms but its my first time to cyanogenmod 7 roms ever and I can say I am more then happy, I am have been using the first build nightly for well over a week now and its been absolutely fine, the only thing that does not work is video recording which but everyone is pre-warned about that until the nexus one files get dropped in.
Just flashed to 24th Feb nightly and still no hiccups, not getting the battery drain issues like people are posting, but there is no noticeable decrease or increase for me compared to the previous O2 branded froyo build.
what about ginger villain?
Haven't used CM7, but if you want a fast and lightweight ROM with excellent battery life (see the battery saving mods) then you cannot go wrong with Oxygen
Moreover,tt looks like now that the nexus one OTA has been extracted we will see a stable version of Oxygen very soon, so the problems with the Camcorder on RC7 (the dev didn't want any hacks in the ROM since he wanted it to be as stable as possible) will be ironed out!
Do both these have Bluetooth gamepad support
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would love to see some posts with info about what made someone to move from one mod to another
(just a bump)
I loved Oxygen, loved it. Very fast and minimal allowing me to add to it the way I see fit, the way it should be really. Problem was I was one of the few that experienced bootloops constantly. On average once a day. Sometimes it would go into a boot loop at idle, and I wouldn't notice for over an hour, and by the time I got it back on, the screen being on and displaying the boot animation had drained some serious battery.
So I tried Ginger Villian, I had the same issue with bootloops, so I tried redux. I was quite happy with it, except it didn't work as a phone. It dropped calls every few minutes to multiple numbers, and it refused to send or recieve mms (Yes I checked the APNs). That's when I decided to try CM7, and found that it just works for me where the others didn't. Yes it's a little more heavily featured than I would like, yes it can be a bit laggy and slow every now and then, but it's the stability and reliability that keeps me here for the moment.
I wasn't S-Off when running Oxygen though, so I will delete the ext partition on my SD card and reinstall Oxygen with the oxygen hboot to see if maybe it makes a difference. Something must, there's a lot of people out there claiming to have never had a boot loop, though I would miss the T-Mobile theme enginge that CM7 ships with.
Probably more than you wanted to hear, but that's basically what made me jump from Oxygen to CM.
i really love a stable rom. that's why i prefer cyanogen and used cm6 for a long time. but i also want the latest android version. that's why i use oxygen at the moment until cm7 becomes "FINAL".
the most important thing about cm is that they do not modify the rom all the time. they create a rom, they test it as beta/rc (ONLY for bugfixing - no new (maybe buggy) features all the time) and one day you get a final rom which is no longer changed and STABLE.
I used CM6.1 for quite some time, I love AOSP ROMs, Ultralinx persuaded me to try Oxygen RC2 and I changed HBOOT to go with it. I love the minimalist, hack free aspect of the ROM. And because Oxygen 2.0.1 is so stable and lightweight, and that I can't be bothered to change HBOOT again I think I am going to stick with Oxygen until I am due to upgrade phones.
I used Oxygen since I first rooted, it was a froyo rom, but I used it all the way up to the most recent version. Today I tried cyanogenmod, just to see what differences (if any) there were.
So far, I've noticed the for a2sd+ on cm, you need to flash an additional script. But the main benefit of cm is that I can, for the first time since rooting, send mms again. I could receive them on oxygen no problem, but couldn't for the life send them. Definite benefit for me there.
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I used Oxygen since I first rooted, it was a froyo rom, but I used it all the way up to the most recent version. Today I tried cyanogenmod, just to see what differences (if any) there were.
So far, I've noticed the for a2sd+ on cm, you need to flash an additional script. But the main benefit of cm is that I can, for the first time since rooting, send mms again. I could receive them on oxygen no problem, but couldn't for the life send them. Definite benefit for me there.
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Sorry of topic now but:
What do you mean by flashing a script for the app2sd? I only have a app called S2E, and an ext3 partition. And that app does the job, just by restarting my phone the apps moves to the ext3. But I do realize that my internalmemory goes down when I have a lot of apps. Like now i got 96 mb free. Am I doin it right?
Thanks
xziaz said:
Sorry of topic now but:
What do you mean by flashing a script for the app2sd? I only have a app called S2E, and an ext3 partition. And that app does the job, just by restarting my phone the apps moves to the ext3. But I do realize that my internalmemory goes down when I have a lot of apps. Like now i got 96 mb free. Am I doin it right?
Thanks
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Less than a minute of searching:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10675412&postcount=2
xziaz said:
Sorry of topic now but:
What do you mean by flashing a script for the app2sd? I only have a app called S2E, and an ext3 partition. And that app does the job, just by restarting my phone the apps moves to the ext3. But I do realize that my internalmemory goes down when I have a lot of apps. Like now i got 96 mb free. Am I doin it right?
Thanks
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If you haven't moved your dalvik cache to SD then your internal memory will decrease. Dalvik takes up so much storage space.
Hi! I got my shiny new Desire HD yesterday (upgraded from an iphone) and by god do I love it, just perfect for me.
Although with it comes a lot of.. junk that I simply do not need (scrolling through a good 30 apps just to get to my most used), plus I heard that 2.3 (Specifically Cyanogenmod 7) brings with it better battery, better performance and with it being rooted, more features.
I'm looking to root it as soon as possible before I start putting a lot of things on it, rather than do a lot with it now and then have to do it again a couple months down the road.
My main question is, I love htcsense.com and I love the extra features it gives me, especially being able to track the phone, gives me much needed peace of mind, if I root to a 2.3 ROM (probably cm7) will htcsense.com no longer work?
Thankyou for any/all replies, oh and a little quickie at the end, I'm planning to go with cm7 because it seems the most basic and customizable for my needs, and battery life is a huge plus for me as I'm planning to use this beauty in and around college, is cm7 a good idea?
Thank you and have a great day.
If that HTC feature relies on having the app on the phone then it wont work as CM7 is not a Sense ROM and contains no sense applications.
Neither do I believe simply installing the apk, if possible, would work.
Be nice to be wrong though.
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Ahh, so in short, no?
Fair enough, is there a way to install the part needed for it to work after rooting it with cm7?
Probably not. Again, hope I'm wrong because it is a great utility that would otherwise cost you (Wavesecure app for example and I believe one of the anti-virus apps provides same functionality).
If anyone has the apk I'd happily try it but IIRC the apps rely on the Sense framework.
Bear with me, just checking this out.
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Confirmed. Without the apk installed the phone can't communicate with the HTC servers.
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Hi there,
i've recently rooted my Desire HD (and upgraded to 2.3.3) & I can tell you that HTCsense still works. No idea about if it still works on non-sense roms such as CM7 or not.
I've been using RCMix and Android Revolution roms in the past week & both of them are a lot better than the stock Froyo that my phone came with though.
Did a search and found an apk but it is confirmed that it will not run on AOSP ROMs such as Cyanogenmod.
The only option you have would be to run a Sense based ROM then install something like ADW.Launcher which has categorised app drawer (meaning you can choose what apps appear).
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Thankyou for the replies you've really helped.
Does sense rom mean, a rom that has HTC sense enabled? I assume it does.
Also, if I want to get 2.3+ android with sense so I can use the htcsense.com service, which rom would be best to root too? I've only ever heard of cm7, that's about it.
Thanks again!
Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!
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Coredroid is a sense ROM. Pretty good too. If your main concern is tracking your phone, why don't you try Lookout from the marketplace. its free and is also a very good virus checker too!
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Does it improve the battery life at all?
Oh also, is it easy to change back to the original ROM that came with the phone in-case of any warranty issues? Coredroid just doesn't look as.. polished as cyanogen, I could be completely wrong though.
If so, I'll root it today! Love the community by the way, I can't say anything bad about the iPhone community really, although they seem to care a lot less.
Does rooting to an Android 2.3 ROM bring everything that normal Android 2.3 brings and then depending on the ROM, special things? So it doesn't matter what ROM I get that's 2.3 they'll all have 2.3 Android features?
Do a backup in Tom manager in case you want to go back to your previous rom. Coredroid is a very fast rom IMO, but its dependent on how you use it much like any other rom really.
batery life is better than stock but again you will need to be mindful of gps and wifi etc. An awesome gingerbread kernel to improve battery life does not yet exist.
Fantastic, I'll give CoreDroid a try then, thankyou for your help, you've been very useful and informative.
One last thing before I begin the process, what is Tom manager? I did a quick google search and a look into the market but found nothing, did you mean Rom manager?
my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.
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my bad. I have auto correction on. I meant ROM manager.
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Ahh, I got it and I'm trying to backup my current ROM but I need to install "clockwordmod recovery" and whenever I try I get a "An error occurred while attempting to run privilged commands!" which is a shame.
Oh, and is there an up-to-date guide on how to root? Pardon my ignorance.
You need root first.
There's several "how to's" in the development forum. More information than we could put here (or should).
Sorry, I'm being incredibly silly, I keep getting ROM's and rooting mixed up, I'm in the process of rooting it now then I'll install a ROM, I haven't decided which yet but I might.. shop around, sorta speak.
Thanks for the help guys, take care.
Because sense apps aren't running in background, Cyanogen should be less stressful on the battery. However stock roms are usually not developed to maximize battery life in the same way custom roms are (afterall, battery life is a bugbear for developers too!). With this in mind, Coredroid even with sense is still better on your battery life than stock sense. Its all dependent on how you use it though (turn off GPS and wifi when no longer required etc..). Intensive use will naturally drain your battery sooner than conservative use. If you find battery life a pain with any rom, you could try juice defender free to automatically regulate consumption of battery.
Best advice, try a number of mods every week or so, and settle on one you like once you've experienced them. You souls also download battery calibrator from market and use after every flash to help you with the battery.
After a little soulsearching I'm going to give RCMixHD a try, it seems very popular which is usually a good sign, it has sense 3.0 and 2.3.3 Android so it's practically perfect.
The only thing I'm puzzled by now is "radios" I've worked out that they determine call reception and 3G+HSPDA whatnots, but do I actually need a new one before/after flashing to a new ROM? There seems to be a lot of radios out there and I have no clue which to go with and what they do.
Oh, also, does overclocking your phone as you have done have a huge impact on the battery life? I assume it has atleast some impact.
Only certain roms currently support overclocking, with some having the ability only after a kernel flash. CM7.0.2 however comes with ability without need to install anything else. You will need SetCPU to overclock and select a governor to regulate how power is maintained. You need to set minimum frequency when phone is idle etc.. It's easier than it sounds but do read into the overclocking threads for dhd we have here if in any doubt.
Hi all,
I'm a new Nexus user and I was just wondering what is currently the best ROM and Kernal people are using. I put Android Revolution HD on my Nexus a few days ago and it's running great. I keep hearing people talk about Cyanogen or the Franco kernal though.
Are the performance improvements that much better, or should I stick to Revolution? I don't require a lot of personalization in terms of how things look. I'm quite happy with the stock look of the phone. I just want all the "behind the scenes" improvements like better battery life and loading times. What's the best setup in your experiences?
Thanks!
I've played around with several of the roms and kernels, with mixed results. It seemed like some roms and kernels would get me crazy performance, but really crappy stability.
The setup I'm running now is a cleanly wiped install of GummyNex 0.8.1 found here, or more directly here OnDemand governor is giving me respectable battery life. When I'm running short, I'll switch to Conservative. I've been meaning to set something up in Tasker or Setting Profiles to do it for me.
And Google apps found here, also more directly here
The kernel I run is Trinity, found here
If you haven't done so already, I found awesome performance improvements by opening the egl,cfg file in /system/lib/egl/, and deleting the first line- usually "0 0 android". Then going back into the egl folder and deleting both the .bak file some editors create, and the "libGLES_android.so" file. This is an ICS tweak that alleges to eliminate CPU rendering. I know there's an option in developer tools to "force GPU rendering", but apparently that doesn't quite cut it.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents, and it's blazing fast and stable. Averaging around 3800 in Quadrant.
Thanks! Revolution HD already does GPU rendering so I'm not to worried about that. I guess I'll just stick with that since it's basically stock with a few performance tweaks. I'm not big on instability :/.
The Trinity kernel looks interesting though... Is the overclock safe though? And does it drain a lot of extra battery?
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Thanks! Revolution HD already does GPU rendering so I'm not to worried about that. I guess I'll just stick with that since it's basically stock with a few performance tweaks. I'm not big on instability :/.
The Trinity kernel looks interesting though... Is the overclock safe though? And does it drain a lot of extra battery?
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Revolution HD is based on 4.0.2 so many kernels will not work because they are based on 4.0.3 and 4.0.4. I highly recommend you use a rom that is based on 4.0.3 AOSP (Such as GummyNex or AOKP). 4.0.3 has better stability/battery/performance tweaks anyway. If you want a better selection of Trinity's kernels go here. TNP1344-ANY-384-aelp (dated Feb 27th) is really nice. If it gives you bootloops up the voltages by 50 or 100.
aokp.27 + glados.v.1.18 OR leankernel.v.2.4.0 (both are stable as a rock)
Alright, I'll try Open Kang I guess. I'm so new to this... Sorry for all the questions :/.
It seems like a hassle to reinstall all your apps often so that you can switch to a new ROM . Does this need to be done every time the device changes its firmware version?
Luuthian said:
Alright, I'll try Open Kang I guess. I'm so new to this... Sorry for all the questions :/.
It seems like a hassle to reinstall all your apps often so that you can switch to a new ROM . Does this need to be done every time the device changes its firmware version?
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Well... you can always backup your apps with Titanium Backup, and save all your preferences (such as Nova Launcher, Minimalistic Text, etc.) and then reload that. And usually if you stick one one Rom and then an update comes from that rom, you don't have to wipe data (just cache & dalvik cache). But if you're switching Roms, then yes, you have to reinstall all your apps.
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Alright, I'll try Open Kang I guess. I'm so new to this... Sorry for all the questions :/.
It seems like a hassle to reinstall all your apps often so that you can switch to a new ROM . Does this need to be done every time the device changes its firmware version?
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with titanium pro its a matter of minutes, saves your app-data also, so you don't loose your highscores. but as was mentioned before, updates go through without factory-reset most of the time once you're settled.
btw, aokp is perfectly stable.
I'm running gummy with the latest lean kernel and love it. Battery life is great and performance is top notch. Big fan of team gummy. I get a solid full days use regularly. usually around 20% when I plug it in after 16 hours of use and I use it fairly regularly, wifi, 4g, txt, web, etc.
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So I know this is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask anyway.
For about 18 months I ran Decks ROM and really liked how lean the whole thing was. I got stellar battery life, and had next to no bloat and it was nice and fast. I recently put a sense ROM on my phone (Infamous 2.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1836346 ). I always knew the AOSP ROMs had pretty lack luster camera support, but I swear the pictures and video are night and day different. So I've been using this Sense based ROM since I found myself taking pictures more now that the camera doesn't take shaky, grainy and overly warm pictures. However, there's a few things that I really don't like about Sense based ROMs and was wondering if there are any work arounds for them.
The bloat... oh the bloat! I use zero of the built in HTC apps/widgets, but as far as I can tell, they can't be removed. I looked around and removed the apks from the system/app directory but after reboot they're still there and the apks just reappear. Maybe it's not that simple of a process, I found something similar in a script, but it's only for Sense 4+ and the ROM I'm using is 3.5. If I could be lead in the right direction of removing some of this junk that would be great! Mostly looking to ditch services that are eating into RAM that I'll never use. Namily Weather (looks like a big battery drain), anything facebook/twitter/social network related and Voicemail (I use google voice).
Question 2. I really miss the functionality of the long press back killing the foreground app. I have a feeling it's kernel related, which means there probably isn't a way to just add it some how to a kernel that doesn't support it. Along the same lines, I have no CPU control what so ever. A little OC never hurt, and governor options would be nice. I never got into messing with kernels too much back when I was flashing ROMs daily until I settled on Decks and stuck with it for ~18 months. I'm way out of the loop of things now, and development has slowed on this phone quite a bit since I messed around with it, so I'm kinda lost with this one. Are their Sense based kernels that allow any of these features?
I ended up writing more than I wanted to, but I like to be thorough when asking questions. If I could get some information on these little quirks it'd go a long way to making me embrace this Sense based ROM a lot more.
Thanks guys!
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So I know this is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask anyway.
For about 18 months I ran Decks ROM and really liked how lean the whole thing was. I got stellar battery life, and had next to no bloat and it was nice and fast. I recently put a sense ROM on my phone (Infamous 2.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1836346 ). I always knew the AOSP ROMs had pretty lack luster camera support, but I swear the pictures and video are night and day different. So I've been using this Sense based ROM since I found myself taking pictures more now that the camera doesn't take shaky, grainy and overly warm pictures. However, there's a few things that I really don't like about Sense based ROMs and was wondering if there are any work arounds for them.
The bloat... oh the bloat! I use zero of the built in HTC apps/widgets, but as far as I can tell, they can't be removed. I looked around and removed the apks from the system/app directory but after reboot they're still there and the apks just reappear. Maybe it's not that simple of a process, I found something similar in a script, but it's only for Sense 4+ and the ROM I'm using is 3.5. If I could be lead in the right direction of removing some of this junk that would be great! Mostly looking to ditch services that are eating into RAM that I'll never use. Namily Weather (looks like a big battery drain), anything facebook/twitter/social network related and Voicemail (I use google voice).
Question 2. I really miss the functionality of the long press back killing the foreground app. I have a feeling it's kernel related, which means there probably isn't a way to just add it some how to a kernel that doesn't support it. Along the same lines, I have no CPU control what so ever. A little OC never hurt, and governor options would be nice. I never got into messing with kernels too much back when I was flashing ROMs daily until I settled on Decks and stuck with it for ~18 months. I'm way out of the loop of things now, and development has slowed on this phone quite a bit since I messed around with it, so I'm kinda lost with this one. Are their Sense based kernels that allow any of these features?
I ended up writing more than I wanted to, but I like to be thorough when asking questions. If I could get some information on these little quirks it'd go a long way to making me embrace this Sense based ROM a lot more.
Thanks guys!
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Ok as far as the system apps(bloat)you can remove it,use an explorer app,delete the apps you dont want,reboot into recovery and wipe cache and delvik and reboot,they should now be gone,the reason they werent before,is because of the dalvik and cache left behind,theres also a system app remover on playstore,or you can use 7-zip before insalling the rom and remove the apps from the zip file.
As far as the kernel goes,theres 2 sense kernels in the development section,not sure they have what your looking for.
Well I was halfway there. Didn't know I had to clear the cache afterwards. Makes sense though.
Will take a look at the dev section and see if I can glean some info on those alternative sense kernels. Just gotta backup before I wreck things too much.
Thanks for the info!