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Hello thought I'd post something here to see if anybody else is having this problem, On most of the pages I try to load here on xda I get
Service Unavailable
It looks like were over capacity. Please try again in a minute.
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Does anybody know what is causing this problem? And is anyone else getting this? I seem to be getting it more and more frequently
Thanks

MacaronyMax said:
Hello thought I'd post something here to see if anybody else is having this problem, On most of the pages I try to load here on xda I get
Does anybody know what is causing this problem? And is anyone else getting this? I seem to be getting it more and more frequently
Thanks
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Maybe we were over capacity .
svetius might be able to explain. I'm guessing it's just to stop the site overloading, even twitter has those moments

DaveShaw said:
Maybe we were over capacity .
svetius might be able to explain. I'm guessing it's just to stop the site overloading, even twitter has those moments
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Hehe I guessed that , side note , does this have anything to do with the new iPhone-developers ?

MacaronyMax said:
Hehe I guessed that , side note , does this have anything to do with the new iPhone-developers ?
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No idea, you are the first to mentioned it.
Dave

We're working out a few kinks with the database setup and vBulletin's handling of master/slave database servers. This shouldn't happen to often, if it does, do let us know.

I was having every other link shoot me to the over capacity page about 3am EST. Thought for a minute I clicked on my Twitter bookmark lol. Excited to see the new plans in store for the site!

Damn, site seems really overloaded last days. But at least before it just worked slow. Now it won't even open (service unavaible).
I hope admins sort that issue out

Seems like the entire world is gettin' their xda freak on before the weekend.
I have been faced with the message. No biggie though. As long as I don't loose another day of completely magical posts.
good day.

Please rest assured that we are working to address these issues. We are aware of the overcapacity issues; it has happened to roughly 1000 user requests today.
matejdro said:
Damn, site seems really overloaded last days.
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Can you be more specific about "really"? Are you getting it once a day, ten times a day, etc?

Related

Slow XDA

Has anybody else noticed how slow the site has been the past 24 Hours? I originally thought it was my ISP doing something, but going to work today the site was still painfully slow! They are on a totally different ISP!
Anybody??
Yep, same here.
Here too. And sometimes i got just a message with 502 bad gateway.
XDA is slow aswell here. I've had the same thing with other forums aswell. I think it happens because we live in a foreign country... idk.
Anyway, it really prevents me from posting frequently...
Same here
Almost 4 min to load any page
Also sometimes bad gateway error 502
EDIT: Now ok again
Sllllllllllllloooooooooooooooowwwwwwwww......!
Very slow here, too.
Took over a minute to load the reply to thread page.
yep!
And sometimes my replys are duplicated, i have saw many duplicated posts this day!
Its on maintenance? i couldnt go to the home page
same thing here
yea i got the same messages with the bad gateway as well as super slow load times. im in the states so it cant be that u guys r over sea's. maybe its the servers. i wonder if any mods know
I´m sure they are aware, Mods and Admin are always keeping an eye here
By the way now it´s working ok, and let´s remember that if something around 5000 users or more are online at the same time, server starts to go slow.
YEP!
everything is fine now... we have XDA devs for more to go!!
I really hope someone is able to fix this.
extreme slowness
bad gateways errors
duplicate posts
Taking a forced coffee break after each page-refresh ain't that good for me
Yep, same here. Very slow!
Yes, its awesomely slow.
Hope its beeing worked on 'cause its unusable at times.
Same problems here...
Russia, Moscow.
XDA are ve-e-ery slow! Already few days. Many times I see "502 Bad gateway", more than few minutes required for loading page and posting answer and many times posted answers are duplicated!
does xda need some new servers? what is xda running on?
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Not sure actually, but if we're all real well behaved maybe Admin will allow us another lump of coal to get the boiler pressure up a bit.
Mike
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i've got a few spare bags of coal at home if they are needed?
Still Slow
Hi today is the third day in a row that xda is very slow and unresponsive. i'm really not used tho that kind of behavior from this site.
I really hope that the admins can do something about the speedproblems.
Deixi
Deixi said:
Hi today is the third day in a row that xda is very slow and unresponsive. i'm really not used tho that kind of behavior from this site.
I really hope that the admins can do something about the speedproblems.
Deixi
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Have a read here:
mikechannon said:
Yes, actually around 5500 users online and it begins to slow down. Yesterday was a record breaker with 6270 users online.
Mods were aware, although Mods can't do much about the hardware system. I checked with Admin and indeed they were also aware of the situation. I know a short while back they were working on load balancing across the servers.
Mike
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Server load too great
Yes thinking about it, every page takes ages to load and has for a few days. Servers have too much to cope with. Is there going to be any upgrade of servers ? The BIG positive is how much in demand this site is. Top work !

site timeouts

Since last night i've started to experience a lot of timeouts. first it started with a vb message saying the site was overloaded, then it became an under maintenance message, and now i'm seeing the site is just timing out.
what gives?
me too. Is xda underupgrading or underattack?
The speed is very very bad..only sometimes it become better
It took 5 minutes to just login
I hope this gets fixed, just bought the XDA app and can't use it .
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godwin1981 said:
me too. Is xda underupgrading or underattack?
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my thoughts exactly.
We're really sorry about this. When you're running a site on a handful of servers, things can get VERY complicated.
I am sure the Admin team is doing it´s best to solve issues ASAP
Let´s give our support and patience to this down times please
sure. and trust me, i really do understand! especially with vb! it's good to know that it just isn't me though!
It's normal again !
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extremely slow for me still
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extremely slow for me still
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The site should be back to normal. There is occasional overnight maintenance at around the time you posted. If you are still having issues, please post a tracert to forum.xda-developers.com, so we can see if the delay lies on the route to the server, or if it's the internal networking.

Rooted Kernels and Loss of Service

We're trying to determine the "root" (pun intended) of the problem so if you wanna come in here and start a fight go find a local bar to do so. We need to try and locate the source of the problem so either post something useful or walk away.
There seems to be some confusion and I dont know if its being ignored or what but theres an issue with these kernels that needs to be looked into further before new ones continue to be released.
Theres an obvious problem for a good amount of people and everytime I look I see comments that there isnt a problem. So heres everything I could quickly find regarding it.
Now Im not trying to be a **** about this but I dont get how the issue is unheard of when its one of the biggest topics in this section. And so we're clear, this is happening in ALL kernels. Unfortunately its been more profound in Zedos because it seems more people went with his method.
All Im asking is before more and more kernels are released that someone at least acknowledge the problem and see if it can be addressed before more and more people root and start complaining because they were told there was no LO.S. bug
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data drop? dunno about that, this shizzle will not drop. It's ZEDOMAX!
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zedomax said:
jump and we will find out. no they should be worked out. there was no data loss kinks in da first place, where did u get that?
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joetemp75 said:
Man I was fine then I flashed v5 and got the no signal issue
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SupahDave said:
Everything seemed to be fine last night but today I've had 4 separate times now where my phone has lost signal all together and needed to be rebooted to get phone/data back. When this has happened I tried going into About-->Status to see if I could see anything odd and I kept getting a FC of com.android.phone
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jimbobtexas said:
I did. No love. I'm without a signal, period.
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MILH0U5E said:
Got the no signal issue here too. I put it in airplane mode overnight and upon waking this morning the no signal circle was there. I had to do a reboot to get 3g and cell signal back.
Looking forward to seeing this process develop.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
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wbyrd said:
Yeah this just happened to me too, everything was fine this morning then I played a game of solitaire and after going back to my home screen I saw the circle. Rebooted phone and everything came back on. It's possible that the circle was there before I played the game of solitaire but I didn't notice until right after I quit playing.
Hopefully it gets straightened out soon. At least rebooting fixes the problem, I can handle rebooting for a little while if needed.
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plmiller0905 said:
I can't really deal with the issue of having no service. My daughter has a heart issue and can't afford to miss a call. It's not like I walk around all day literally looking at my phone's screen seeing if I have service or not.
I did reboot...so like your's my service is back up.
But I definitely hope this gets fixed soon. I'd rather have root with broken heptic feedback than the inability to receive calls.
But I'm sure the Op the get it fixed...
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volwrath said:
I've had a dead call issue and also tday my radios were just dead and there was a circle in the middle of the notification barr. A reboot fixed the issues each time, but I think it might be a problem. I thing newer kernels will also fix said issues. Still very satisfied
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JLine05 said:
I am having the issue of the phone (voice) and sms not working. Strange because everything else is working fine. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks.
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mcflargen said:
Still seems to have the data drop issue. Popped it on the second u dropped it, was great till a min ago. least a "restart" fixes it.
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joetemp75 said:
Man I just lost data again. This sucks
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kindaskimpy said:
I'm giving this one a try because with the zedomax kernel I kept losing 3G and CDMA calling and not even noticing it unless someone told me they'd been trying to reach me for hours. A quick reboot would solve the issue but then it would happen again.
I'll report back and let you guys know if this one is giving me the same issue.
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bbedward said:
I did this one because losing service on the other one, haven't lost it yet but its only been a couple hours
Sent from my sprint galaxy s2
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fordmanck said:
I tried both, i'm back on this one. I lost service with zedos twice and haven't on this at all.
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Telling you right now someone is going to come in here and go "this belongs in General" then a mod will move your thread and deduct 5 points from something, not sure...but just a heads up
I also see a lot of people having issues, but I'm now on day 2 of flashing Zedo V1 and have yet to experience any of these issues. Not sure what I did different, but everything just works... The only thing I did was after rooting was getting my MSL from Sprint and erased the proxy servers in the ##3282 menu.
EDIT: Ok, I just lost service 1 1/2 day after rooting... Bug finally hit me..
I dont mind it being moved and I have no clue what the deduction in "points" does but I'll deal with it.
Now Im getting much better battery but I know people are still losing service on the new OC kernel. My roommate happens to be on e the unlucky ones.
Man...thanks for posting this. Hopefully the mod doesn't close this thread. This definitely is a concern and a serious matter. I don't care if these kernels are, "use at your own risk" these kernels should've been listed as betas, and/or the bugs should've been listed and further testing should have been. If those steps were taken, I bet a lot of people would've held back from flashing them. I know I would have.
Shabby posted this earlier in the other thread (post 160):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267762&page=16
One thing that got to me was this morning I woke up, hoping to see a stock kernel and/or a way to return to stock. And instead, I see a new overclockable kernel. To me that's just not right. I think that you have to prioritize. That's like putting out a rom that has all data broke. Then instead of fixing it, you put out another rom...while disregarding the issues with the first rom. At least acknowledge the issue and let everyone know it's been worked on....don't just blow it off.
I know some of the devs over in the Evo forums was good about this....if something went haywire with one of their roms or mods...they were all on top of it to get the issue fixed and they also communicated with posting updates on the matter.
Like I said, hopefully the mods don't close this.
I'm definately gonna follow this thread...thanks Wingzfan
i rooted yesterday using zedomax method, did the OC kernel last night.. havent had any issues so far ..
plmiller0905 said:
Shabby posted this earlier in the other thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267762&page=16
post 160
I'm definately gonna follow this thread...thanks Wingzfan
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Bubby does have the stock kernel pulled. I was testing it till 1:30 in the morning but he's gotta recompile it. It was bootlooping so today thats his first order of business.
As for the kernels, I flashed it by choice. I dont blame the devs for ANYTHING, Im just saying acknowledge theres a bug and lets see how to resolve it.
I've been reading through the rooted kernel threads as well prior to jumping on the root wagon and have seen several people mention that they are not rooted and have experienced the loss of service so it seems that the issue may not be exclusive to the rooted kernels...possibly a Samsung bug?
Very possible which is why im hoping we can get an idea of how man people are rooted vs non rooted having it. Now the only thing is I cant find any complaints online about nonrooted phones doing it except a few here and youd think it'd be widely discussed
Sent from a Galaxy far far away...
OrygunGal said:
I've been reading through the rooted kernel threads as well prior to jumping on the root wagon and have seen several people mention that they are not rooted and have experienced the loss of service so it seems that the issue may not be exclusive to the rooted kernels...possibly a Samsung bug?
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Yeah...I read those too. However, I never lost any service at home with any android phone I've owned..Nexus S 4g, all Evo's, Epics etc. Then today I wake up and I have no service....maybe it is a samsung bug, but I'd rather return to stock myself to see if the issue was still there.
Stocks on its way i promise. Probly tonight actually. Bubby was really close last night. Once we get that Id be curious to see what happens.
Sent from a Galaxy far far away...
wingzfan said:
Stocks on its way i promise. Probly tonight actually. Bubby was really close last night. Once we get that Id be curious to see what happens.
Sent from a Galaxy far far away...
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Sounds good...can't wait
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This is an issue that started with mine also yesterday. But not only did I lose data but gps also. A reboot fixed it but I would like to know whats going on. I just came from the evo 3d and there was an issue that had to do with the prl so I am going to give that a shot with the 11115 prl that fixed the evo. Will post back with the results later today.
On V5, Ive only had the loss of data once in about 12 hours, versus about 3 times on Zedo V1.
I also did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17703908&postcount=11 for the hell of it to see if that helped (even though I got it at a sprint store)
For the record:
A) People have reported this issue even on the stock kernel. It is not clear where the cause is.
B) For kicks (and because it cannot hurt) I did the whole profile/PRL update thing that someone suggested. Be it luck or real benefit, I have no had the issue since.
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Very possible which is why im hoping we can get an idea of how man people are rooted vs non rooted having it. Now the only thing is I cant find any complaints online about nonrooted phones doing it except a few here and youd think it'd be widely discussed
Sent from a Galaxy far far away...
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I would think it would be widely discussed as well so that seems odd. I'm waiting to see what evolves or at least for stock kernel (an undo) before flashing a rooted one. I don't have TEP.
It's still a bit early for the issue to be too widely discussed.
dmarden said:
For the record:
A) People have reported this issue even on the stock kernel. It is not clear where the cause is.
B) For kicks (and because it cannot hurt) I did the whole profile/PRL update thing that someone suggested. Be it luck or real benefit, I have no had the issue since.
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Nice. I was told by a helpful Sprint cust. serv. rep. a while back that you should update your PRL & Profile when you go into a new area (tavel, move, or even long commute to work) regardless of which phone you have. I would think unboxing your phone would qualify as well. It sure couldn't hurt.
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It's still a bit early for the issue to be too widely discussed.
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Good point. Many people would not likely research on the web/forums, instead they'd likely address the issue directly with Sprint.
plmiller0905 said:
Yeah...I read those too. However, I never lost any service at home with any android phone I've owned..Nexus S 4g, all Evo's, Epics etc. Then today I wake up and I have no service....maybe it is a samsung bug, but I'd rather return to stock myself to see if the issue was still there.
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Ever owned a Samsung phone before?
This is my 3rd one and I swore after the last one Id never buy a Samsung phone again but I got sucked back in. Samsung is notorious for shipping phones with all kinds of bugs that should be considered showstoppers then pushing out fixes months later.
It would not surprise me at all if that was the case here. I am one of the ones having this issue and I am not rooted. Ive lost data several times after hanging up a call. The data never restores and I have to toggle 3G to get it come back.
I dont think this is a kernel issue. I think its something to do with the rest of the OS, either that or the kernel is a different problem thats just acting the same way.
Ok thats what i was hoping to find is nonrooted and rooted people who are having the issue. Now on my moment this issue was huge so i went to htc and maybe thats the case again. Maybe sammy dropped the ball again. Question is what can be done about it.
Sent from a Galaxy far far away...

Reporting Loss of Signal Issue Samsung Epic Touch Rally

If you are an Epic Touch user that is experiencing the LOS (Loss of Signal) issue please click on the link below and report in that thread with Sprint.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/339779
If you do end up posting on the Sprint site please do post in this thread as well...
Also it was just pointed out that there also is a Samsung support Twitter @ www.twitter.com/samsungsupport
(Please also contact there if you experience LOS)
If you would like to follow this up with a call to tech support, it will help. Try and get transferred to advanced tech support.
This needs to happen from as many people experiencing this as possible!
Don't be lazy!
Thx!
There is another thread 11 down from this one(and multiple other ones further in the forum). The search button works wonders if you use it :-D
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graffixnyc said:
There is another thread 11 down from this one(and multiple other ones further in the forum). The search button works wonders if you use it :-D
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I don't think those other threads were specifically aimed at getting people to do this
I have been told by a reliable source that sprint is aware there is an issue and their engineers are working diligently to find a fix.
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graffixnyc said:
There is another thread 11 down from this one(and multiple other ones further in the forum). The search button works wonders if you use it :-D
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Anything is better than "is our phone compatible with random tech blog rumor" threads.
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kingsway8605 said:
I have been told by a reliable source that sprint is aware there is an issue and their engineers are working diligently to find a fix.
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I hope your reliable source wasn't a Sprint CSR.
Those of us coming from the Moment were constantly being told that by Sprint regarding the radio lock up issue. They never did fix it. It wasn't until the devs at SDX got 2.2 onto the phone that the issue went away.
I have also found that tweeting complaints to www.twitter.com/samsungsupport during business hours will get a quick response, which results in escalation of real issues.
adma84 said:
I have also found that tweeting complaints to www.twitter.com/samsungsupport during business hours will get a quick response, which results in escalation of real issues.
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Nice find! Thx!
i just got off the phone with sprint and they told me that samsung pushed an update on friday to fix a delay in receiving text messages which has borked the internal antenna. that would explain why i only started having problems yesterday.... sprint will give you a ticket number and they will fix your phone for free at a store.
call up and get it fixed.
its only going to get worse!
dtr145r said:
i just got off the phone with sprint and they told me that samsung pushed an update on friday to fix a delay in receiving text messages which has borked the internal antenna. that would explain why i only started having problems yesterday.... sprint will give you a ticket number and they will fix your phone for free at a store.
call up and get it fixed.
its only going to get worse!
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This is false. The issue has been going long since before Friday.
It will be fixed in the first update though.
... and here I was thinking about exchanging my 3D for a GS2... it seems the signal problems are widespread to all phones. :/
Droga said:
... and here I was thinking about exchanging my 3D for a GS2... it seems the signal problems are widespread to all phones. :/
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Its not a showstopper and it doesnt happen on all devices. So if it happens when you get it use your 30 swap to get a new replacement. It hasnt happened on mine at all. Also there is going to be a fix... So, with all of that said I cannot think of a single thing that should cause anyone to decide not to get this and choose another phone. Thx
DeeXii said:
Its not a showstopper and it doesnt happen on all devices. So if it happens when you get it use your 30 swap to get a new replacement.
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It is a 14-day swap unless you bought your device pre-launch.
This is a total show stopper, I have 2 of these and they both do it constantly. I cant even surf for more then 10 minutes without it happening to both units. I cant make calls, I cant receive calls, cant go online, cant use streaming music, cant use navigation. total waste at this point. I love the phone physically and its great when on WiFi but that's only 1/4 of the day. I am not taking a chance of getting stuck with a phone that I cant even make calls on. maybe I will try again once everything gets fixed but for now its not worth the trouble.
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This is a total show stopper, I have 2 of these and they both do it constantly. I cant even surf for more then 10 minutes without it happening to both units. I cant make calls, I cant receive calls, cant go online, cant use streaming music, cant use navigation. total waste at this point. I love the phone physically and its great when on WiFi but that's only 1/4 of the day. I am not taking a chance of getting stuck with a phone that I cant even make calls on. maybe I will try again once everything gets fixed but for now its not worth the trouble.
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You have something seriously wrong with yours then. I've had mine since launch and it's done it twice. You should exchange yours.
I rooted my phone and got this for the first time the next day. Hasn't happened before that. Didn't even know what you guys were seeing until it happened. I just got a zero with a line across the middle of it in my top bar and my signal bar and data icon were gone.
Is that what people are getting also that have not rooted their phone? When I say not rooted, not the people who rooted then installed the stock kernal back on. People who never rooted in the first place. That is what I would like to know.
Mine did it once before rooting, once after.
And yes, it happened just like you described. I thought rooting and flashing Zedo v3 fixed it, but it didn't.
clamknuckle said:
Mine did it once before rooting, once after.
And yes, it happened just like you described. I thought rooting and flashing Zedo v3 fixed it, but it didn't.
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Cool, I hope it is device problem and not just a rooting problem. This way we can get a fix for it from Samsung, hopefully.
I have it on good authority it will be fixed in the first software update from Sprint. No idea when that will be though. It's not a rooting problem.

ATTENTION: Samsung "games crashing"

Anyone playing games on their Epic 4G Touch seem to have a common problem:
During intense gaming, the game either freezes or crashes returning you back to home screen. Everyone I know is experiencing this and yet we tend to ignore it for the love of our device, but this doesn't mean Samsung should pretend their $600 device is functioning as normal.
Dear XDA'er
If you are experiencing this problem, please post something here. Let's see how wide spread this problem truly is.
I for 1 am having problems playing "Galcon and Airport Mainia", since these are the only two games I play, I get frequent crash often. Post, post, post... I hope this thread grows to the attention of Samsung so that atleast they could acknowledge there is a problem!
There's already a starred issue, or what ever it is about it, and a thread here.
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There's already a starred issue, or what ever it is about it, and a thread here.
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You got link?
Btw, more threads on this the better? I read a post and someone said they contacted Samsung but they refused the problem. Are you experiencing crash?
There is a code issue out, I couldn't find it. Maybe it was closed already. I remember seeing another thread about it with the link a few weeks ago, if I find it ill link it.
I thought it was just me. I figured it was the result of me screwing up a file when playing with things or a bug with the kernel I was using. Kind of wish it was....woulda been able to fix it then.
Here is a detailed explanation of what's going wrong:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284086
Here is another thread on the issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1283712
There are a ton of games that didn't give me this issue, but I've been having this problem on Robotek and Zenonia 3.
Read my posts. Only reason I dropped tmo and came over was this phone for gaming and my vibrant had none of these god damn.....just check my profile and read my posts. Pisses me off to no extent.
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manekineko said:
Here is a detailed explanation of what's going wrong:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284086
Here is another thread on the issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1283712
There are a ton of games that didn't give me this issue, but I've been having this problem on Robotek and Zenonia 3.
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Yea that's what I was talking about.
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Yea that's what I was talking about.
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My Evo3D works just fine... This phone is on my nerves with crashes
I don't game a ton on my phone but I do like to game occasionally. This is just a rough estimate but I'd say half of the 20 or so games I've tried will crash on me within 20 minutes of playing. Out of the ones that crash about a quarter can be fixed by disabling some portion of the audio; either music, sf or both. The other quarter continue to crash in the same manner no matter what you do with the games audio.
Pretty big bug IMO, can't believe there's not more hype about it.

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