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My T-Mobile USA (standard ROM) Tp2 behaved very strangely earlier today, but seems to have recovered. Anyone had any similar experience?
a) Battery level decreased rapidly, and unit getting very warm
b) Battery Status today plugin showed > 900ma (and sometimes > 1300ma!!) current draw
c) Unit would not charge from my USB port (message that it wasn't providing enough current)
d) I put flight mode on, no appreciable change in behavior with all radios off.
e) Soft reset - no change
f) Task manager didn't show anything using undue amounts of CPU
In the end, I turned it off (completely), and it would then charge normally. Left it like that for two or three hours, and when I turned it back on everything seems to be ok.
I have a lot of software on there, but nothing installed new in the last few days. It's worked perfectly today - best cell phone or PDA I've had since my trusty Phillips Velo...
While this was happening it seemed slightly sluggish, but certainly not locked up. Only 'unusual' thing - yesterday I let the battery get real very low for the first time (left it with the screen on, and an app running). I almost wonder if somehow there's a power management issue recovering from this. Note - it was never completely dead, just very low.
Anyone had anything similar happen? I assume the problem is in the phone, not the battery (otherwise I wouldn't have seen the current draw)
-Steve
you can try to hard reset and put everything back in...
what i usually do is turn off 3g because it consumes a lot of battery..i'd use wifi as much as possible or edge.
you can try using cleanRam to clean up some excess space on the phone.
not sure about the charge, you might need to restart your PC or reinstall active sync so it can detect the phone.
judicious said:
you can try to hard reset and put everything back in...
what i usually do is turn off 3g because it consumes a lot of battery..i'd use wifi as much as possible or edge.
you can try using cleanRam to clean up some excess space on the phone.
not sure about the charge, you might need to restart your PC or reinstall active sync so it can detect the phone.
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He's not talking about ActiveSync or not detecting his phone.
However, I notice this behaviour almost all the time (device runs out of battery within one night) but only see those large power consumptions sometimes.
My device cannot be seen by any PC I tried (after first installing Mobile Center) so maybe there's a flaw in some devices?
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He's not talking about ActiveSync or not detecting his phone.
However, I notice this behaviour almost all the time (device runs out of battery within one night) but only see those large power consumptions sometimes.
My device cannot be seen by any PC I tried (after first installing Mobile Center) so maybe there's a flaw in some devices?
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Yes -sorry I didn't make that clear. Phone was working ok (including activesync) - it's just that it was trying to take too much current from the USB port.
This has only happened once (fingers crossed!). I'm sure it's software (rather than a hardware fault), but I'm puzzled given that the task manager showed minimal CPU usage, and the power drain continued in airplane mode
-Steve
Your reception is probably bad. The TP2 will basically go insane if the reception is bad enough, I've seen it drain a fully charged battery in under 3 hours if you have push data turned on and there's 0-1 bars of reception. The battery life is quite good when reception is at least a few bars but once it goes below a certain point I've definitely noticed that the phone goes insane and will get noticeably warm in the pocket and basically die within a few hours.
Turning off push data will get you slightly better battery life in this scenario but unfortunately I still found that the battery would still be dead by the time I needed to use it. And it's not a network issue either since I tested it on different networks and compared it to other smartphones dealing with the same terrible reception-this phone definitely uses an insane amount of power when reception is bad, which isn't a problem if you're just transiently going through a bad reception area (probably helps keep the signal from dropping) but if you're spending a few hours in a place with poor reception it will drain insanely quickly.
Thankfully I'm spending my time in places with better reception now-I basically ended up having to turn off the phone if I wanted it to still have power by the end of the day but now it's still nearly full at the end of the day with just moderate reception.
HTC should really change the phone's behavior when there's 0-1 bars-it's nice that it tries to find a network aggressively when it loses a signal but there should be a timeout on it where it should start checking at longer intervals if there's a long period of no signals unless someone's trying to make a call or something. Really useless when you put your phone down for 2 hours in some overly shielded building and when you pick it up to make a call and it's dead. Not to mention uncomfortable when it starts heating up like crazy.
I'm not sure why you still got battery drainage even in airplane mode though but maybe the phone had already gone into whatever insane mode it goes into when the reception gets bad. Maybe it's one of the apps running the background that freaked out as well? I think my battery life was still kinda bad in airplane mode as well, for some reason I had to literally turn the phone off to get it to stop killing the battery.
i get zero bars at work and no reception. i've noticed that at work, my phone gets destroyed and lags like crazy and barely usable. it gets no reception for 8 hrs so its nice to know that other ppl are experiencing this problem and its not just me.
my tilt did this today, was warm to the touch, idled' didn't use it all day 6 hrs idle with signal, battery drained to 50% made a phone call 13 min duration, put the phone down watched a 2 hr show, phone dead.
not from signal/data.
My Tilt2 stock rom appears to have done the exact same thing today. Yesterday it had low battery for the first time ever... then today, it completely died in my pocket while at work (usually I have about 80% battery left at the end of the day). I noticed early this morning that the phone dropped from 100% to 60% about 2 hrs after it was off the charger. The phone felt hot. No programs were running in the background either. When i saw this, i ran cleanram and it still died a few hours later. Reset the phone and charging it now, hopefully this was a one time thing?
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Your reception is probably bad. The TP2 will basically go insane if the reception is bad enough, I've seen it drain a fully charged battery in under 3 hours if you have push data turned on and there's 0-1 bars of reception. T....
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I think this might be it. Reception at work is normally really good (there's a tower in our parking lot!) - but I noticed today they are working on it.
The strange thing is that putting it in flight mode did not stop the power drain - to me that just doesn't make sense. However, I'm thinking that when I first did a soft reset, it probably wasn't in flight mode. So, the complete manual power down, followed by the resulting soft-reset into airplane mode) might be what fixed it.
My phone is often in areas of poor coverage (NW CT) - pretty much every day to/from work, and I've not seen this behavior with the TP2 before. Other GSM phones I've had do noticeably use more phone in areas of poor/non existent coverage, but this was a relative melt-down - I did wonder whether I had an internal short.
It's been ok since, and I'll report any future incidents or findings...
Happened to me two times, I figgured the problem was the GPS connection, improper exit from GPS app (AmazeGPS). Can be related to GoogleMaps or other app too. After restart, everything went back to normal.
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Happened to me two times, I figgured the problem was the GPS connection, improper exit from GPS app (AmazeGPS). Can be related to GoogleMaps or other app too. After restart, everything went back to normal.
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If that is so, how can we check if the GPS is still running?
I do a reset often, but that won't change a thing...
Besides, when I look, the power consumption often is 'slightly above normal' - 150maH-250maH.
btw: what is considered as normal consumption?
Battery Status plugin
I hate to sound like a fool, but I'm running the stock ATT Rom on my Tilt 2, and I cant find the "Battery Status today plugin" you mentioned. Is that a T-Mobile only thing?
Is there a .cab for it?
To reply to the primary topic though, I've experienced the heat increase/battery drain level thing, but it just started yesterday after I installed a whole bunch of stuff. This weekend I'm planning to hard-reset and load stuff slowly so maybe I can isolate the cause.
I'll post an update if I figure anything out.
FWIW - I've recently been trying to track down a battery drain, too.
For me, though, the drain has correlated with trying out SPB Mobile Shell 3, so that is clearly a likely candidate. However, the drain does seem to be mainly limited to night time.
For example, on Sunday the phone dropped to only around 80% after a full day out and about. However, by Monday morning it was down to 10%.
Similar results on Tuesday night - almost complete drain by the morning.
To see if I could work out what was going on, I installed acbTaskMan yesterday, and set it to log CPU overnight (it periodically logs CPU usage, power drain and the top three CPU users).
Unfortunately, there isn't any *obvious* candidate:
Microsoft "My Phone" kicked in for a couple of minutes and used quite a lot of power (max of 493ma). However, this dropped off once "My Phone" had done its stuff.
A lot of the time, its actually acbTaskMan which is the top user of CPU (probably unsurprising, given it is monitoring and logging).
There does seem to be a bit of residual network traffic - every five minutes (or so) there are a few UDP and TCP packets being sent.
Overall, the average reported power usage was about 113ma (with the max being 493 and the min being 5!). However, the reporting period seems a little odd - most of the time it reports every 5 seconds, but there are a few periods earlier in the night where there are gaps of up to 5 minutes.
What would people generally expect the average power usage to be when on standby?
FWIW The comments in this thread about low signal could certainly be relevant. I do have pretty low signal at home and I did leave the phone in a slightly different place last night (where it could have had a better signal than the two nights before).
My current hypothesis is that
Something in Mobile Shell is causing the network connection to keep alive all night (or is at least turning it on every five minutes).
This coupled with poor coverage in my house is hosing the battery. During the day, with good coverage, the network traffic isn't causing as much of a problem.
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eepyaich said:
FWIW - I've recently been trying to track down a battery drain, too.
For me, though, the drain has correlated with trying out SPB Mobile Shell 3, so that is clearly a likely candidate. However, the drain does seem to be mainly limited to night time.
For example, on Sunday the phone dropped to only around 80% after a full day out and about. However, by Monday morning it was down to 10%.
Similar results on Tuesday night - almost complete drain by the morning.
To see if I could work out what was going on, I installed acbTaskMan yesterday, and set it to log CPU overnight (it periodically logs CPU usage, power drain and the top three CPU users).
Unfortunately, there isn't any *obvious* candidate:
Microsoft "My Phone" kicked in for a couple of minutes and used quite a lot of power (max of 493ma). However, this dropped off once "My Phone" had done its stuff.
A lot of the time, its actually acbTaskMan which is the top user of CPU (probably unsurprising, given it is monitoring and logging).
There does seem to be a bit of residual network traffic - every five minutes (or so) there are a few UDP and TCP packets being sent.
Overall, the average reported power usage was about 113ma (with the max being 493 and the min being 5!). However, the reporting period seems a little odd - most of the time it reports every 5 seconds, but there are a few periods earlier in the night where there are gaps of up to 5 minutes.
What would people generally expect the average power usage to be when on standby?
FWIW The comments in this thread about low signal could certainly be relevant. I do have pretty low signal at home and I did leave the phone in a slightly different place last night (where it could have had a better signal than the two nights before).
My current hypothesis is that
Something in Mobile Shell is causing the network connection to keep alive all night (or is at least turning it on every five minutes).
This coupled with poor coverage in my house is hosing the battery. During the day, with good coverage, the network traffic isn't causing as much of a problem.
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you might want to try this.
Under MyPhone, disable the Current Location.
Under HTC Settings->Location, disable all the location information.
See whether this helps?
Thanks - this is a good idea.
However, I think I may have uncovered a more fundamental (and dumb) cause. Somehow (probably user error, but I'd like to think some nefarious impact of installing the SPb stuff), my "peak" times for Activesync had been changed from 8am to 6:30pm, to 8pm to 6:30pm. This completely explains why my connection kicked in every 5 minutes overnight (as this is what my "peak" exchange sync is set to).
Having fixed that (!) I'll see whether my power usage is miraculously better tonight! If not, I'll give the location stuff a go too!
Ed
Checking mail all night is not a good idea!
Ahh yes - much better now. I went to bed at 80% battery and woke up at 70%.
The task manager log has logged far fewer points (only 300 logs over 7.5 hours, as opposed to the 5400 that I'd expect if it were logging every 5s), which I guess indicates that most of the night my phone was in "deep standby", or whatever one might call it.
FWIW I certainly recommend acbTaskMan as the logs it produces are very handy to spot what is going on for this kind of thing. For example, even in a low battery drain night I can spot exactly when various services are using the network (e.g. checking mail, Google Maps updating its latitude stuff, etc.)
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I noticed somethin strange last night.
The battery was still for 63% full when I turned the device off (Yes, really turned it off!) and still next morning the battery was completely empty!
Now how is that possible? I do have two batteries, which do exactly the same, so I could test this with the other one, but this seems to be seriously wrong!
I had a similar problem with Sprint. after several trial errors, I traced the problem to the Verizon radio (2.23) I used after SIM unlocking. I went back to sprint 1.96 and voila. Since then now I have moved to Sprint 2.32WU and it works even better.
Another battery saver is this trick "disconnect network when idle for 1 min timeout":
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=69185
Had same thing happen...new tilt (1 month old) got hot and drained battery in 3 hrs with no use! I believe its a GPS program such as googlemaps or Trapster that caused it. A soft reset and im golden. Hate having to soft reset all the time
see this often, almost always because gps is running and did not shutdown when the program using the gps was closed. Chartcross GPS test will show you if the gps is running or not and usually will allow you to exit, and stop the gps induced battery drain. I have gotten in the habit of doing soft reset after using tomtom or google maps, to ensure that GPS is off.
At least for at&t devices, gps is the culprit for huge battery drain, hot to the touch. I will add that little or no signal to the phone will do the same thing. When I am in marginal coverage area, I turn off 3G and that seems to stop the excessive drain and heat build up due to low signal strength.
Not straightforward, for sure and one has to pay attention to the device, or when you need it most, the battery is done.
The battery life on my T-Mobile TP2 has drastically decreased since i put the new 6.5 rom on. When I had the regular 6.1 rom, the battery would last around a day and a half... now I have to charge the phone by the end of one day... I have direct push running with POP3 email set to check every 10min... but it shouldn't really make a difference since i had been running the same thing on 6.1 that i am on 6.5...
Whats wrong? Does anyone have a solution? Thanks!
Odd, I find the opposite on my T-Mobile TP2, battery seems to last longer, especially with 3G in the picture.
The only thing I can think of is maybe you have 3G coverage where you didn't before? I know that the new radio gets better reception, so is more likely even for me to be on 3G and T-Mobile is always launching new coverage.
That depends on 2 factors mainly:
- The ROM you are using
- The radio version
That together will make your battery life longer or shorter.
Try to test several combinations till you get the one works better and share it with us
Ill try again tomorrow, but ive had this rom for about a day or 2 and its not lasting long at all....
Also, how do i check the radio version? I installed the new Tmobile 6.5 update...
I hear that calibrating your battery will help.
Use the phone and drain the battery until you can't turn it on anymore. Then charge the phone all the way through. Don't mess around with the phone while it's charging. When it's fully charged, with the phone still connected to the charger, perform a hard reset (remember to back up your data and apps before doing this, since a hard reset deletes all your data).
I read that trick on this forum and tried it awhile ago. It helps a lot.
I'm having a pretty big problem.. I connected my phone to a laptop yesterday,and this morning my battery had drained completely. When I'm charging it with the adapter, it charges pretty fast (37% in 15 minutes) and it decreases every 10 seconds by 1%.
I've already had this problem a month ago with a new, and it got solved by flashing a new one (Valkyrie).
But now, I haven't installed a new ROM, it worked very well for 3 weeks, and now it starts draining does someone know what could be the problem here? Thanks.
I´ve heard somewhere it is not recommendable to use USB charge so I disabled that option and charge only with wall charger
Hello people, after having used my Touch pro 2's GPS function extensively one day on battery, I have realized that the battery's life has shortened by huge amounts of time. It lasts for less than 24 hours now, so I was wondering if I needed a new battery or is there something I can do to restore it back to the previous state. Thanks!
I don't think using the GPS should ruin your battery, just doesn't make sense! Are you sure you shut off the GPS after using it? Are you running any other programmes in the background? Did you flash a new ROM?
My battery started going down twice as fast after swapping to the new "official" Sense 2.5 ROM.
you can try a couple of things that may extend your battery life. try first turning off the auto speakerphone when the phone is face down. i just did this and i can tell a marked difference in just a couple of days. also search battery life reg edits. theres a ton out there here and on ppcgeeks that will definetly help. in general i noticed that when I use GPS the battery drain is pretty high. hope that helps
Dimitri Stephan said:
Hello people, after having used my Touch pro 2's GPS function extensively one day on battery, I have realized that the battery's life has shortened by huge amounts of time. It lasts for less than 24 hours now, so I was wondering if I needed a new battery or is there something I can do to restore it back to the previous state. Thanks!
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Using the GPS all day will def drain your battery much faster, especially if you're using aGPS and/or an app that also downloads data to compliment the location info (like google maps). The GPS radio isn't 2-way like the phone or 3G or wifi, but it's still a radio and will give a noticible hit on your batt life when used even moderately, let alone all day.
If you're going to be using GPS a lot, you might want to try different radio roms to see if any of them make a difference in the batt life for you, but I don't know that will make as much of a difference as it does for the phone reception, etc. I would also suggest evaluating various GPS apps, with an eye on relative battery drain
Well guys, thanks for the answers, but that still doesn't solve my problem because I don't use the GPS function often at all, but the battery still drains quickly. Also, there are no programs running in the background. There is however a data connection that is always on and the mail checks for mail every hour. But the thing is I don't want to change any settings to enhance battery life, If it worked fine with the same settings before, why wont it do the same now? Do I need a new battery? Thanks!
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Well guys, thanks for the answers, but that still doesn't solve my problem because I don't use the GPS function often at all, but the battery still drains quickly. Also, there are no programs running in the background. There is however a data connection that is always on and the mail checks for mail every hour. But the thing is I don't want to change any settings to enhance battery life, If it worked fine with the same settings before, why wont it do the same now? Do I need a new battery? Thanks!
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Ahhh sorry, I misunderstood, I thought you were just saying it drains faster while you use the GPS like that, not since you used it...I get it now.
That one day of heavy use shouldn't have killed your battery, take a look at THIS thread, others with the same issue/question have posted different things that have worked for them...you might want to give the steps in post #31 a try before thinking about buying a new batt.
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Well guys, thanks for the answers, but that still doesn't solve my problem because I don't use the GPS function often at all, but the battery still drains quickly. Also, there are no programs running in the background. There is however a data connection that is always on and the mail checks for mail every hour. But the thing is I don't want to change any settings to enhance battery life, If it worked fine with the same settings before, why wont it do the same now? Do I need a new battery? Thanks!
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You can install " battclock " and you can continuously see what the battery drain actually is during different functions.
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You can install " battclock " and you can continuously see what the battery drain actually is during different functions.
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Yes, great recommendation! (why didn't I think of that? lol)
And with battclock you can now see your CPU usage in real-time, which is probably one of the best coincidental indicators of battery drain (much more so than memory load, in my opinion)
Hi Dimitri,
I experienced the same problem where my battery life suddenly "shifted" from 48 hours to 12 hours on regular use..
I thought the problem was the battery and I replaced it, this did not help at all..
The only cause of this problem that I can think was loading the official HTC UK 6.5 ROM (1.86.401.0)..
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Hi Dimitri,
I experienced the same problem where my battery life suddenly "shifted" from 48 hours to 12 hours on regular use..
I thought the problem was the battery and I replaced it, this did not help at all..
The only cause of this problem that I can think was loading the official HTC UK 6.5 ROM (1.86.401.0)..
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This is exactly what I am experiencing. (This together with not being able to connect the device to PC)
Installed several 6.5 ROMs and suddenly the battery lasts only half a night.
My question is: When the battery is full, when you turn the device off (completely off, not in standby mode!) does the battery drain then?
As far as I see, the battery has only 50% left after a night rest while it is off. So, the only way to keep the battery full is to remove it from the device.
What are your experiences with this?
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This is exactly what I am experiencing. (This together with not being able to connect the device to PC)
Installed several 6.5 ROMs and suddenly the battery lasts only half a night.
My question is: When the battery is full, when you turn the device off (completely off, not in standby mode!) does the battery drain then?
As far as I see, the battery has only 50% left after a night rest while it is off. So, the only way to keep the battery full is to remove it from the device.
What are your experiences with this?
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If you are truely turning it completely off, the battery should NOT drain at all. Have you tried a new battery? I bought a pair of batteries and an external charger on flEabay for like $12. The batteries are good as originals as far as I can tell.
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If you are truely turning it completely off, the battery should NOT drain at all. Have you tried a new battery? I bought a pair of batteries and an external charger on flEabay for like $12. The batteries are good as originals as far as I can tell.
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Yes, I have two batteries, even an external charger.
Even when a battery is charged with the external charger, then put in the phone it drains the battery
hey guys can anyone link any of the forum topics to tweak battery life? the only things I have done is the general setting on the phone and the power management options with advance config are there more options and tweaks available?
thanks for all help!
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If you are truely turning it completely off, the battery should NOT drain at all. Have you tried a new battery? I bought a pair of batteries and an external charger on flEabay for like $12. The batteries are good as originals as far as I can tell.
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I will test this (again) tomorrow night.
Bright.Light said:
This is exactly what I am experiencing. (This together with not being able to connect the device to PC)
Installed several 6.5 ROMs and suddenly the battery lasts only half a night.
My question is: When the battery is full, when you turn the device off (completely off, not in standby mode!) does the battery drain then?
As far as I see, the battery has only 50% left after a night rest while it is off. So, the only way to keep the battery full is to remove it from the device.
What are your experiences with this?
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Bright light...I'm also having BOTH of those problems...stock ATT rom. Within the past week my battery life has dropped exponentially, and when I went to sync last night, had not done so in a week or so, I get nothing...none of my PC's will recognize the phone as even being plugged in, let alone sync. I'm thinking maybe an ATT botched update?
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Bright light...I'm also having BOTH of those problems...stock ATT rom. Within the past week my battery life has dropped exponentially, and when I went to sync last night, had not done so in a week or so, I get nothing...none of my PC's will recognize the phone as even being plugged in, let alone sync. I'm thinking maybe an ATT botched update?
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So it seems I'm not alone.
Mine is a universal one, no brand whatsoever. I will try to reflash the original (6.1) stock ROM, including radio.
Have you flashed yours already?
@Bright.light @VirtualHomer:
I have the crap battery + no activesync issue.
I'm on the Josh's Black 1.7 ROM. I tried hard reseting, reflashing, going back to the stock ROM, but no improvement.
I have heard that removing the battery overnight is a possible fix for the USB issue (maybe for both?), but I haven't tried yet, will try tonight.
If anyone out there has any potential soultions here... would be great. Right now, I only get 1/2 a day (~6 hours) out of the battery & no hotsync at all (other than BT).
One thing I am pretty sure of: The bad battery life and the activesync issue came up around the same time. Wierd.
Cheers
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@Bright.light @VirtualHomer:
I have the crap battery + no activesync issue.
I'm on the Josh's Black 1.7 ROM. I tried hard reseting, reflashing, going back to the stock ROM, but no improvement.
I have heard that removing the battery overnight is a possible fix for the USB issue (maybe for both?), but I haven't tried yet, will try tonight.
If anyone out there has any potential soultions here... would be great. Right now, I only get 1/2 a day (~6 hours) out of the battery & no hotsync at all (other than BT).
One thing I am pretty sure of: The bad battery life and the activesync issue came up around the same time. Wierd.
Cheers
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You are right in assuming that battery life and connectivity issues came at the same time.
I was assuming this was because of a (bad?) flash, or maybe a bad ROM which changed something in a position that should not be changed and which is not restored by flashing another ROM.
A night without battery won't help, I think, because my device has been numerous times without any power and without any battery. However, I will try it again.
Could this be a faulty device? Or a design error?
@Bright.Light
I confirm that a night without the battery solved nothing. I have had my phone on for 5 hours now, taken 5 calls, none of them too long, checked email every 10 minutes (automagically) and I am down to 27% battery.
Also, I confirm that a replacement battery solves nothing, as I have also tried this.
I am planning on returning my device to an ATT store next week for a replacement... We'll see how it goes.
Cheers,
Matt
I'm in the same boat with mine. About two weeks ago the battery just started draining fast. Fast enough that it wouldn't make it to 4-5 hours without being charged. You could watch the battery meter drain. And what was weird was that there was no ROM change or anything that started this. Came out of the blue. Calling Spring tomorrow and getting a replacement is the best solution I can think of.
Ok, my battery is weird it doesnt last long. it dropped from abut 95% to 70% over night, with checking email every 30 minutes with k9 and the mail app every 4 hours. My phone doesn't last very long either, I haven't tested it fully. I always keep charging it, when im in the house.
I bought it from T-Mobile and i could swap it. Should I?
Jason
Might be worth it, I have Friendstream updating default setting, Googlemail (although it's push) on at all times, browsing a fair bit (on mobile net and WiFi) and a few calls and it last 2 days-ish...I'm using a generic Desire on latest FW
Mine's the same. I didn't think it would be worse than my old BB Bold for battery life, but it really is very poor. I don't think you have a fault, it's just the way it is.
I wondered about closing background apps but I've read that having them open doesn't impact battery life. I do have a few background things going on though that will affect it, so maybe I need to consider if I really need them or not (frequent email syncing, contacts/calendar syncs, etc.).
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Might be worth it, I have Friendstream updating default setting, Googlemail (although it's push) on at all times, browsing a fair bit (on mobile net and WiFi) and a few calls and it last 2 days-ish...I'm using a generic Desire on latest FW
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Have you put the phone down for long periods in-between uses, or have you spent a fair time writing emails or just playing with it? I've spent a fair time on mine but not constantly, and no more than I used to with my BB Bold. I used to writing emails constantly on my Bold and the battery would last a good day, but until I'm used to this keyboard I won't be doing that on my Desire.
So It won't make a difference if i swap it? I also didn't do the standard charge at the start. Couldn't resist playing with it. So It was on charge while playing with it. Could that make a difference?
I'm in work a lot and I'm not constantly on it - just check for emails/SMSs every hour or so so prob spends a lot of the time in standby. I'm on it more on the weekends but it still lasts well into day 2
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So It won't make a difference if i swap it? I also didn't do the standard charge at the start. Couldn't resist playing with it. So It was on charge while playing with it. Could that make a difference?
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If it works otherwise then I doubt there is a fault that would cause the battery to run down but nothing else not to work.
Not charging the battery at the start is one of those things that some say makes a difference, other say it doesn't. With Lithium-Ion batteries I always thought they didn't need that initial charge, but I can't say for sure. Anyway, what might help is if you did a full charge then a complete discharge (use it until the phone turns off) then a full charge again. With older batteries at least, that tended to help them last longer.
There a a few threads on this alread here and on the Android Forums.
There is a problem where the phone when charged left on, only goes upto 98%. However the phone will soon drop to 90% and lower quickly, indicating the phone has not charged properly.
If you unplug and reconnect, it will go back to 100% but almost as quick as tying your laces, it will go from 100 to 98% and continue to drop.
It could be faulty batteries.
I was hoping the FW update would fix but it hasn't as I found out last nite.
Or should I just buy another battery?
I've been having similar issues,
I get much much better battery life without mobile networks on, and alot of application crashes/phone reboots to get it work like I expected.
Took some data:
1hr of phone in sleep mode w/ mobile internet on = 4% battery
1hr of phone in sleep mode w/out mob internet on = >1% battery
So I can get a good two days if I don't have any internet with moderate use, but about 16 hours with internet always on and moderate usage. If I really 'rag' it and use alot, I can get about 50% done in a few hours (not constant use either, just alot of google goggles mainly!)
This coupled with the crashes and reboot made me get an exchange, I'm just hoping it's better, and really hoping its not worse..
Wish me luck, I wish you all the same.
After couple weeks my original battery seems to last longer - I do with 1,5 days now (with some browsing, 3G, occasional GPS and bluetooth, weather & gmail sync, dl apps from market etc). So it might be true that after the initial couple weeks of usage and charging the battery performs much better.
Intrestingly T-Mobile promised to send me a new battery over a week ago. As it never arrived I called them and was told they dont have any... but they would credit my account with £20 to buy one. Today... I received an extra battery from T-Mobile!!! No idea what is going on - and if I still have that £20 credit in my account
I will give that new battery a loooong first charge, see if it helps.
what about the 3000 mAH batteries?
Are they any good and would it work for the Desire?
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After couple weeks my original battery seems to last longer - I do with 1,5 days now (with some browsing, 3G, occasional GPS and bluetooth, weather & gmail sync, dl apps from market etc). So it might be true that after the initial couple weeks of usage and charging the battery performs much better.
Intrestingly T-Mobile promised to send me a new battery over a week ago. As it never arrived I called them and was told they dont have any... but they would credit my account with £20 to buy one. Today... I received an extra battery from T-Mobile!!! No idea what is going on - and if I still have that £20 credit in my account
I will give that new battery a loooong first charge, see if it helps.
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Won't help, once it's at 100% the charging will stop. There is no such thing as 'long charging' li-ion batteries or 'trickle charge' a li-ion battery.
You can try to do a full first charge (until the green light burns) and then fully discharge (until the phone goes off). Then fully charge again. This will calibrate the battery chip and make sure you see the correct percentage.
If battery life is still no good then it's because you use the phone too much. Read: constant weather updates, friendstream updates, push mail and other stuff that constantly use the mobile connection. Also turn off gps unless you need it.
Turning off those services and turning off the 'always on mobile connection' can double your battery life (read: standby time).
It's not something magical, it's completely normal. If you want the phone to do a lot, it will obviously use a lot of battery.
Just for the sake of it, put the phone in airplane mode. You will be amazed how long it will last.
It's the main problem with modern mobile devices. Battery usage and capacity are no longer in good balance. What we need is more compact batteries that have more capacity.
At the moment it's clearly a comprimise between battery size (thus capacity) and battery usage. It's up to you to see how much you want to comprimise.
And so far, with every HTC phone, after a few (radio rom) updates battery life increased.
And... what everyone seems to forget, when you first get your phone you will fiddle with it.. a lot.. And once you have it for like a week or two, you start using it differently. Usually ending up with better battery life!
Try to run it down to around 5-10% after each full charge, but don't let it go completely dead if you can avoid it. Do this a few times and you will notice an improvement. Plus of course, when the novelty wears off and you use it less the same will happen.
Back when I got my Touch HD it would only just last a day, but by the time I was on the upgrade path I could get 3 or 4 days out of it!
Just to confirm, I was a bit worried at first about the battery life of the Desire. The first 2 days I could only manage to get 7 / 8 hours out of it. When I turned data sync off at night, it still lost 40% of the battery .. doing absolutely nothing.
However as mentioned before, I'm now on day 6 and now I can easily get 36 hours of browsing / texting / calling 2 hours + / even playing occasionally games. At night, without data sync, it drops just 4%.
So if you're worried about your newly acquired Desire's battery sucks, It really needs some calibration. After a few days it'll work as you wish.
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Hmmm.. Not sure what T-mob is up to. They promised me a £20 credit to by a battery (they didnt have any in stock) then I received the battery in post. I called 150 and they confirmed the £20 credit is still there for the next bill...
I couldnt be happier with T-Mob! Besides this I got 100txt/100min, plus 60 min included to Eurasia, Internet and 40 free txt to Europe = all for £10 a month!
Now I just need a case for it... waiting for the PdAir one to come, had one for my Compact IV and loved it. Its the flip one that opens upwards not down, so wont mess with the hardware buttons.
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Just to confirm, I was a bit worried at first about the battery life of the Desire. The first 2 days I could only manage to get 7 / 8 hours out of it. When I turned data sync off at night, it still lost 40% of the battery .. doing absolutely nothing.
However as mentioned before, I'm now on day 6 and now I can easily get 36 hours of browsing / texting / calling 2 hours + / even playing occasionally games. At night, without data sync, it drops just 4%.
So if you're worried about your newly acquired Desire's battery sucks, It really needs some calibration. After a few days it'll work as you wish.
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I really hope that's the case...
I got my Desire on Tuesday, first use was on Wednesday.
Yesterday (Friday) I put the Desire into Airplane Mode - I deactived everything. Turned off WLAN, mobile Internet, Syncing off manually before I went into that mode, just to be sure. When I went to bed, I had 72% battery left. When I woke up...50%...seriously, what the f...?!?!
8 hours of doing absolutely nothing uses 22% battery?! It's really annoying at the moment, absoluetly unusuable unless I'm home and know I can plug it in any second. When I'm out, I don't even dare to use mobile Internet, because even without it it only lasts till I get home (no WLAN, no mobile internet, just using it as a "telephone"...).
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I really hope that's the case...
I got my Desire on Tuesday, first use was on Wednesday.
Yesterday (Friday) I put the Desire into Airplane Mode - I deactived everything. Turned off WLAN, mobile Internet, Syncing off manually before I went into that mode, just to be sure. When I went to bed, I had 72% battery left. When I woke up...50%...seriously, what the f...?!?!
8 hours of doing absolutely nothing uses 22% battery?! It's really annoying at the moment, absoluetly unusuable unless I'm home and know I can plug it in any second. When I'm out, I don't even dare to use mobile Internet, because even without it it only lasts till I get home (no WLAN, no mobile internet, just using it as a "telephone"...).
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You expect the phone to stay turned on without using any power? This isn't a dumb phone, it is running powerful components and 8 hours doing "nothing" is relatively long time and the power usage of keeping those components powered at idle levels is going to add up no matter what. If you can't bear to turn the phone off if you can't control your usage, carry a charger or battery you should have got a dumb phone.
Bear in mind that the full capacity of the battery won't be reached until several charge/discharge cycles have been done, especially when you are using the battery for the first time on a new phone or on a phone with updated firmware. I noticed this while flashing custom ROMs on a previous handset. I'm sure we will also notice improved battery performance when firmware updates become available.
I really hope that's the case...
I got my Desire on Tuesday, first use was on Wednesday.
Yesterday (Friday) I put the Desire into Airplane Mode - I d
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You expect the phone to stay turned on without using any power? This isn't a dumb phone, it is running powerful components and 8 hours doing "nothing" is relatively long time and the power usage of keeping those components powered at idle levels is going to add up no matter what. If you can't bear to turn the phone off if you can't control your usage, carry a charger or battery you should have got a dumb phone.
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So you wanna tell me 20% battery loss in 8hrs airplane mode is normal? I hope not.
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I've had my new desire z about 2 weeks now, and am utterly dissapointed by a frankly dreadful battery life.
It's my second DZ, given the original was nicked, but (kicks self) wasn't insured, so was purchased from a supplier that shipped my phone from Hong Kong (I live in UK, and the new phone is an identical model, except for a slight difference in key layout - A2727 I think is model number)
The original phone would give me over two days life with very low use, which i considered to be fair for a decent smart phone.
The new phone barely gives me 10 hours with no use. I've done a couple of tests - unplugged it at 2am, but 8am it's at 30% or lower. This was done with all data connections turned off.
If i leave the new phone to go dead then that's it - it won't charge. The only way i've found to get juice back into the battery is to hold it in my old touch-pro 2 until it's charged enough to charge from the desire.
Last night was the clincher. I've gone out with some friends to the pub. I had a conversation over it, and checked my battery life - 42%. As a last dith effort i factory reset the phone at that point to rule out a mischevious app, and checked - 39%
Within 2 hours, and with no use at all that was down at 8%. In order to avoid the charge issue i cut my losses and turned it off at that point. Once home (oh, about 4 hours later maybe) I was unable to turn it back on. I then left it plugged in overnight, and was still unable to turn it on this morning until i'd done my cross-phone charging trick.
I'm now entirely convinced there's some form of hardware issue at fault here, so i'm wondering if anyone else has had the same problem with this phone before? I see lots of thread regarding poor battery life, but most seem to be solved by turning data off or some rouge app, neither of which are an issue in this case. Also, any hints for making my life easier when I phone HTC tomorrow? I've read elsewhere their support might not be all it should be.
Thanks in advance for any help! I've ready to pull my hair out as what is a fantastic phone otherwise has been completely ruined by this battery issue.
I think you should get a new battery to rule out that the battery itself isn't a problem. I had similar issues with my G1 a while back and it solved a lot of wierd, seemingly unrelated problems. Batteries are pretty cheap online, $15 or so and some are free shipping.
The way that I figured out my battery was toast was by comparing it to other batteries. it had a bulge in the center where it should have been flat. Fingers crossed it isn't hardware.
had already tried a diff battery (did you know you can chew a corner off a touch pro 2 battery and make it fit??) Which i know worked fine in the old nicked dz and imo as i was getting same issue ruled out battery problem.
anyway... phone has now been returned and i'm waiting 2-3 weeks to get it repaired under warranty (though am hoping for complete replacement obviously)
Chewing on batteries has got to get you extra xda brownie points. I'll remember that
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I'd like to think there was some techincal or engineering skill in there somewhere.
but it was mostly "Well, apart form this nugget of plastic they're the same shape..."
I'm having the exact same problem... When you take you shutdown to recharge a dead battery, does it sometimes try to turn back on? I left my apartment like 30m ago with 100% battery, and I'm at 84% and declining. There's nothing running. And I've replaced the battery, same issue.
I think I might just RMA this one.. seems like an engineering issues.
Edit: I'm the 40 seconds it took me to type this, battery dropped to 82%.
Wanted to bump this post. I've since wiped / reloaded and wiped battery stats. It's still jacked. I think it's an internal electrical thing. Reason is: I'll power down to take the battery out. When I put the other one in, it'll turn back on. Or if I power down to charge, it'll turn back on - plugged in or not. I don't want to deal with the RMA process again, but I think it's my only choice. I've taken two phone calls this AM @ 100%, and it's at 96% now. Drives me insane. Ugh... I'll call TMO. Anyone know if the replacements are still rootable?
So... I had my phone replaced, and it's still doing the horrid battery thing. Flashed CM 7.1 RC3 or w/e the latest is, cycled one battery - and it drops like a stone. I have two chargers (one at work, one at home) and they both charge the phone up to 100%. But it's still losing battery life quicker than I'd like. I used to be able to get a good 18 hours out of this phone. Even with a new battery and a new phone, it's acting up. I'll try to flash an older ROM and see if it's the same thing. I updated to #130 nightly from 7/10. We'll see how it lasts today. But I do remember I had horrible luck with CM's ROM's on my G1. Battery would just drain for no reason. The main process taking up the most battery life is "Cell standby" so I changed to the latest radio - and it still drops. OP - have you figured out your problem? I've removed a ton of apps, and it's still messing up. I listen to music for... 45m in the AM, and I get down to 54%. I've formatted my SD Card as well.. it's driving me insane.
I just flashed CM 7.1 a few days ago and while the ROM is great, it does seem to be a litter harder on my battery than 6.1 was. With light/moderate usage yesterday, I got about 16 hours and that was running the battery almost completely dead. With heavy usage, I get about 10 hours and need a bump charge in the afternoon.
You might want to look into getting a Mugen 1800mah battery. You can get them on Ebay from 35-40 dollars. The seller 'nakedcellphone' is based out of Southern California and another user has confirmed ordering from them and getting a legitimate battery (lots of fakes on Ebay). Either that, or carry a charger with you...
Have you tried using Watchdog to see if there are any 'rogue' apps that are causing the drain by running in the background? What about going to spare parts > battery history > Partial Wake usage? There it will show apps that are draining your battery when you're not 'actively' using your phone. For me, the Android System is the highest drain in that menu. Good luck! Hope some of this helps!
I just checked spare parts, and there's nothing too odd in there. Just my music app. And I've changed that too - thought Winamp was killing me. I'll check Watchdog. This is a brand new OEM battery along with an RMA'd G2. It has to be the OS / Radio or something. I've stripped like every non-essential app too.