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It's because of the back cover!! Crazy!
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Clean your phone.
Actually i tested couple of times. And yes pictures do appear crispier and brighter without the back cover. Its due to the lens windows made of cheap plastic
You've made me waste 1.56 minutes of my life. That video was pointless in my opinion. Most photos were either the same quality, or were actually in focus second time round. Should have had both pictures side by side.
Just clean the back case every now and then and it won't be such a big deal.
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I don't get why people are always bashing the camera on the Desire. As far as I am concerned, it's excellent. It takes great pictures, they are clear and nice. I think many people are comparing phone cameras to expensive digital cameras. Just this fact alone makes me happy about the camera quality. It doesn't suck, you're just comparing it to something that is obviously going to be better, for the time being anyways. I remember when cameras on phones first came out. The phone I had actually had a camera attachment you could get. The quality was horrible. You could barely make out what you were taking a picture of. I have had lots of devices since then, and every one surprises me with how far cameras on phones have come. The camera on the Desire is great. It's got a great flash, great quality. I take pictures with it all the time, and they look almost as good as my actual digital camera. The flash isn't horrid either. LED flashes used to be little more then a joke. I never considered them even a half way attractive selling point until I got the Desire. It's nearly as good as a normal flash.
I've noticed that the stock htc camera is bad for taking photos
when i had Acer liquid with acer stream camera photos quality was really good
now i'm asking: is a software issue or what? also liquid with stock camera was bad,but only changing the application,the quality was a lot better
any suggestion? which parameters do you use with desire ? ( like saturation,brightness,iso etc)
Attacched photos to see differences ( sorry aren't 100% the same but you can notice the difference)
Just to know (I have pretty the same problem).
Try to make a photo without the back cover.
mmm tried but didn't noticed difference...
you noticed difference without backcover??
Camera indeed sucks. So what other camera applications are available?
Retro Camera and FX Camera. Those are not really for replacement.
erto90 said:
mmm tried but didn't noticed difference...
you noticed difference without backcover??
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Yes, I can clearly see the difference with and without the cover. Especially when making videos but also with photos.
Would be great to port camera from other devices.. also the google camera ( source camera) is better as i saw.. is possibile to port to all roms?
the camera of acer stream is awesome with awesome settings,but don't know if will be possible to ort to desire..
You right! without back cover there is a very visible difference!
Why this and how to solve?
Here you can see the difference with and without the backcover. For me, it's because of the plastic used for the lens. It spoil out using the phone with time.
You can try to remove the plastic or replace the cover. I have not found a good solution yet. For now... I just remove the cover when needed (thanks god I don't make a lot of photos)
Hurizen said:
I have not found a good solution yet. For now... I just remove the cover when needed (thanks god I don't make a lot of photos)
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a friend of mine was at a clockmaker. He just drills out the plastic cover and glues a saphire-glass in, now its a scratch free and HQ camera cover. Costs are around 20 Euro including work (it lasts 10 Minutes). But you need and old-style clock-maker with its own repair-shop.
I like Vignette alot. Well worth the money, really professional-ish look & feel to it.
Hurizen said:
Here you can see the difference with and without the backcover. For me, it's because of the plastic used for the lens. It spoil out using the phone with time.
You can try to remove the plastic or replace the cover. I have not found a good solution yet. For now... I just remove the cover when needed (thanks god I don't make a lot of photos)
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too difference! i think there will be a way to solve this problem,is inammissible for htc to made these things
someone has home-made solution working?
Or for 20 € I've found a battery cover replacement.
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=199270
But it's brown or silver . And it will get scratched in no time, like in the original one. Brian's solution is definitive.
Have you tried cleaning really well on the inside, as well on the outside ? Mine is a bit scratched too, but I can't see much difference when taking photos. (can you ? http://picasaweb.google.com/101504838761028525419/CoverOnCoverOffCleanedCoverLens?feat=directlink)
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Or for 20 € I've found a battery cover replacement.
http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=199270
But it's brown or silver . And it will get scratched in no time, like in the original one. Brian's solution is definitive.
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aint that using the same plastic cover??
Mine aint scratched but I still notice a different without cover so replacing it with glass seems to be only option other then removing cover everytime you wanna take a pic/vid.
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Have you tried cleaning really well on the inside, as well on the outside ? Mine is a bit scratched too, but I can't see much difference when taking photos. (can you ? http://picasaweb.google.com/101504838761028525419/CoverOnCoverOffCleanedCoverLens?feat=directlink)
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Your pictures seem much more to what I am experiencing taking photos. Hardly(if any) difference cover on or off. I did notice there isn't a lot of color in your pictures.
Tbh, I don't think having a tiny smudge on the cover affects the quality that much as andycted demonstrated. The real limitation is that after all, its a phone camera.
Try using different camera app's with some image-enhancing effects. I recommend Vignette, try it out!
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Your pictures seem much more to what I am experiencing taking photos. Hardly(if any) difference cover on or off. I did notice there isn't a lot of color in your pictures.
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I'm inside, in a very drab cloudly light coming from the window. Indeed the default settings for the camera (stock froyo) lack a bit of saturation, I forgot to set it to +1.
I remember noticying quite a lot of difference and thinking that since my protector is scratched, that was the cause. Turns out it was greasy on the outside, as well as the inside, as I remove the cover every other day to change battery
EDIT: I've added a couple of shots with +1 and +2 saturation and one where the autoflash went off
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Have you tried cleaning really well on the inside, as well on the outside ? Mine is a bit scratched too, but I can't see much difference when taking photos. (can you ? http://picasaweb.google.com/101504838761028525419/CoverOnCoverOffCleanedCoverLens?feat=directlink)
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For me, also your pics lacks of shaprness. You'll notice it better with hi-def images.
just bought Vignette to see, I think is great apllication and take better photos than stock camera
There are a lot of optimization and i really like it
try this out!
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For me, also your pics lacks of shaprness. You'll notice it better with hi-def images.
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I didn't take the pain to change the settings, or to take great pics, it's a chair and a bottle ! it was just in order to compare lens on/off photos, in every day conditions and the difference isn't all that great. My lens is scratched too.
Stock camera is ugly to see, dodgy in some stuff, but has a ton of functionality. I can't, even remotely, be called a photographer, but I had some fun while going for a walk some minutes ago.
http://picasaweb.google.it/101504838761028525419/MarePesaroTemporale?feat=directlink
The sky was very grey and light quite dim, so I tried to play with exposure and saturation, burning the sky and pretty much everything else in the process. A couple shoots aren't bad though. Try to guess which are with and without lens cover hehe.
Hi me and my htc desire have been together for a few months now.i love her,shes been good to me,and we are deeply in love.with one exception
the camera is pure sh^t. even my old old k850i with barely no processor and no modern os took better photos,i understand its a phone..but surely someone can mod it to be better
has any one got any ideas of how to mod etc or to get a mod
its frustrating as she is the perfect phone
Why do you say that dude?Camera's fine.Stills are really good considering its sensor is a phone's 5mpx one.Don't ask too much of it and believe me,you'll start seeing it otherwise.
You do realize that k850 was a cybershot phone with xenon flash, etc... desire's camera is not the best in the market, fortunately it's good when there is a good light and a phone can get autofocus, especially face focus... then the pictures really look good.
I know the k850i was cybershot.but in fairness my wifes iphone 3g took better pics and thats bad when an iphone can beat a htc.as iphones r ****e.
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I've been very pleased with the camera on the Desire. Sure, its no DSLR, but it captured this double rainbow just fine: flickr.com/photos/cylerparent/5154440847/
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I have to agree that the camera is very mediocre... but i've been spoiled by my Nokia N82 which took amazingly clear pics. The desire eems to have really bad autofocus and lacks lots of detail.
if you find yourself taking more photos with your phone than your compact p&s camera. you need help.
its a phone, not a camera.
flamesuit: i had the same issue with my old iphone, the camera was sooo terrible it was pointless, so i took my p&s camera much more places. the HTC cam, however, is 10x better than the iphone.
There are some reports that removing the plastic lens cover on the back increases the quality of the pictures. Look in to that some more, it might help.
Seems like there is actually a tad bit of trolling and/or stupidity with a post or two in this thread. I have found the camera on the Desire to be excellent. If you're having poor quality pictures try bumping up the sharpness and saturation by 1. It actually makes a great deal of a difference. As for the person that said the iPhone 3 takes better pictures... just get out. lol
The camera is definitely decent but not outstanding. I still keep my N82 around as some sort of point and shoot / backup phone when I want to make better pictures. I take a snap then I send it over through Bluetooth to the Desire so I can upload it to Facebook or Twitter. Slightly better than having to pop out the memory card on a phone to load it onto a card reader or turn off your phone and slap it onto the Desire.
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There are some reports that removing the plastic lens cover on the back increases the quality of the pictures. Look in to that some more, it might help.
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I agree and disagree.You don't have to remove it,just clean it very very well.If it's scratched or something,THEN you might have to remove it.But yes,looking after your lens cover does make a difference.
If you want to take pictures use a camera, not a phone.
To be fair the lens plastic could be an issue and no i have a dslr but i cant exactly carry it in my pocket.hence why i asking.the desire kicks ass this im not disputing.just tweak the camera. Waiting for gingerbread now...a long wait
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I confirm a damaged lens cover seriously degrades the quality, creating a halo, a blur on photos. Easy test: take the same photo with the back cover on and off. If you see a difference, your choice to remove the lens cover. That is what I did and I am now happy again with the photos, as when the phone was new. Shame to HTC for not putting a proper glass lens cover, the only hardware fault on this phone IMO
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YEP
no worries me and my desire will remain as a couple,it is the lens cover,i removed it and took a photo and just to be sure left camera in running mode and removed cover and replaced while watching,makes 100 percent difference to the sharpness and clearness,upon inspection the lens is scratched to buggery even though ive had a silicone casing on,but it doesnt cover the lens,so oobviously the test of time has got it,that means having to replace the back cover which is fine,ebay? maybe,ill try
so yeah in conclusion cameras fine,lens cover is shot lol
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no worries me and my desire will remain as a couple,it is the lens cover,i removed it and took a photo and just to be sure left camera in running mode and removed cover and replaced while watching,makes 100 percent difference to the sharpness and clearness,upon inspection the lens is scratched to buggery even though ive had a silicone casing on,but it doesnt cover the lens,so oobviously the test of time has got it,that means having to replace the back cover which is fine,ebay? maybe,ill try
so yeah in conclusion cameras fine,lens cover is shot lol
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Well,if you know someone that makes/repairs watches you can ask if he can make a lens cover from the glass they use in watches.It doesn't get scratched and is better in any way than plastic.Other than that many people have reported that removing only the lens cover doesn't do any harm.Or you can also get a new battery cover.It's your call!
Anyone else have this problem with the front camera on their Epic?
The front camera on my Epic appears to have some kind of dirt underneath the glass. It looks like some kind of white lint or haze or dust or something has gotten underneath the screen/glass and in front of the front camera. If I turn the front camera on, it looks like I'm looking through a thick fog. If I look at the front of my Epic, the front camera lens shows up as a little white dot.
I can't see any possible way of cleaning short of taking the darn thing apart.
My dilemma is that I don't use the front camera, so I don't want to go through the trouble of un-rooting my phone to take it into Sprint for a replacement (I heard they won't honor any warranty work if your phone is rooted/rom-ed). But on the other hand, maybe I'll need the front camera at some point in the future.
Any similar experiences, suggestions, remedies would be appreciated.
I think its just cause its a ****ty camera.. really though I've only used it like twice
Cd's or tapes?
The front-facing camera on other Epics are noticeably better than my own, and I can see dust/dirt/something on my front camera that is conspicuously absent on others.
Edit: there are a few youtube videos showing complete disassembly. I hate video guides, so I had ignored them previously, but they do a good job showing the details.
Only slightly improved pictures after cleaning, but worth it. It does take considerably effort and much worry to disassemble. I also did not disconnect everything the videos show (like the ribbon cables - too risky for me).
I'm wondering if my phone is defected or is HTC serious about this camera? This takes pictures like a phone from 2008 or prior. I'm talking blackberry pre 2010 era wtf!? Almost every picture snapped is blurry and not at all crisp. I have to switch it to manual and mess with a lot of settings to maybe get a decent shot (maybe). All m8 owners, how do you deal with this f'n thing? Everything else about the phone is near perfect then there is this deal breaker. What were they thinking?
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I'm wondering if my phone is defected or is HTC serious about this camera? This takes pictures like a phone from 2008 or prior. I'm talking blackberry pre 2010 era wtf!? Almost every picture snapped is blurry and not at all crisp. I have to switch it to manual and mess with a lot of settings to maybe get a decent shot (maybe). All m8 owners, how do you deal with this f'n thing? Everything else about the phone is near perfect then there is this deal breaker. What were they thinking?
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Try downloading a 3rd party app and see if it's a physical or software issue you're having. It might help.
Tried with Google camera. Was worse. You own this phone? How are your pics?
I've very recently had a moto X and N5...and now the M8. I find the M8 blows those both away. For what I do with it anyway.
But I learnt the hard way, missing out on good pics and a video (all blurry in the dim light and all the dancing) at my daughters dance recital.... to bring my $99 Kodak and an inexpensive camcorder I recently got, anywhere I go where I fully know I want great pics and videos.
All phone cameras are pretty crap compared to cheap cameras and camcorders. That's life. ?
You'll always be disappointed at some point when you miss something important with your cheap phone camera.
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I've very recently had a moto X and N5...and now the M8. I find the M8 blows those both away. For what I do with it anyway.
But I learnt the hard way, missing out on good pics and a video (all blurry in the dim light and all the dancing) at my daughters dance recital.... to bring my $99 Kodak and an inexpensive camcorder I recently got, anywhere I go where I fully know I want great pics and videos.
All phone cameras are pretty crap compared to cheap cameras and camcorders. That's life. ?
You'll always be disappointed at some point when you miss something important with your cheap phone camera.
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I agree. You meant the m8 blows away the moto x camera? I don't know about that but I know the nexus 5 camera was better than this by far. A little disappointed but everything else is great.
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I agree. You meant the m8 blows away the moto x camera? I don't know about that but I know the nexus 5 camera was better than this by far. A little disappointed but everything else is great.
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Well, for me, I'm thoroughly impressed compared to all my past devices anyway.
But I still will never count on my phone to capture important moments. Never again.
My iPhone 5S takes much better pictures than my M8.
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My iPhone 5S takes much better pictures than my M8.
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What defines better? The M8 can take pictures in dim lighting perfect whereas they are not even viewable on other phones including the 5S.
I would rather be able to take pictures in ANY setting than print out a huge picture.
IMO, HTC is brilliant in making sure their phones are able to take a picture ANYWHERE. Other phones struggle badly in low light to point if being useless.
Also, this is the first phone I have ever had where people who take pictures for me actually comment on the quality. Don't fall for the MP gimmick/bandwagon, HTC knows what they are doing.
There is clearly something wrong with your camera if the pictures are blurry. Are you talking about flares or blur? If you removed the AR coating of the camera, then you're going to get horrible flares. HTC had the film to aid in reducing glare but people are removing it which is puzzling.
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What defines better? The M8 can take pictures in dim lighting perfect whereas they are not even viewable on other phones including the 5S.
I would rather be able to take pictures in ANY setting than print out a huge picture.
IMO, HTC is brilliant in making sure their phones are able to take a picture ANYWHERE. Other phones struggle badly in low light to point if being useless.
Also, this is the first phone I have ever had where people who take pictures for me actually comment on the quality. Don't fall for the MP gimmick/bandwagon, HTC knows what they are doing.
There is clearly something wrong with your camera if the pictures are blurry. Are you talking about flares or blur? If you removed the AR coating of the camera, then you're going to get horrible flares. HTC had the film to aid in reducing glare but people are removing it which is puzzling.
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Anywhere? I am struggling to find one place or situation it does excel. All the pictures are really poor again reminds me of pics my old Bold Blackberry used to take. Low light, outside, indoors.. it's really bad. Iphone 5s and s5 are much better at taking pics anywhere, including low light compared to this phone. I been trying all night to take pics and find even a few that are more than decent. Was the HTC One like this or better?
I would suggest you remove the coating on your camera lenses and see if the pictures quality have improved.
I moved this thread to Q&A because it's really a question. Please keep the discussion focused on how to take better pictures or otherwise overcome the shortcomings of the camera. If this becomes a bash HTC or compare devices thread, I'll have to close it and I don't really like doing that.
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I would suggest you remove the coating on your camera lenses and see if the pictures quality have improved.
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Do NOT do this. It removes the anti-reflective coating on it and will produce horrible glare. It seems HTC put it there to compensate for increased lighting from the UltraPixels. If its blurry, then it is certainly defective. Take a look at the camera thread in the general section to see how clear pictures are suppose to be.
i got all happy thinking there might have been a plastic peel off on it.. nope:/
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i got all happy thinking there might have been a plastic peel off on it.. nope:/
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Sucks that you have a defective unit. I would give HTC a call or chat via their website support.
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Sucks that you have a defective unit. I would give HTC a call or chat via their website support.
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I don't think it is defective. I will keep trying a few things, I mean this is a 4 mega pixel camera, so the pictures are probably not meant to be zoomed in on or anything. I like this phone and prefer not to swap it out.
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I don't think it is defective. I will keep trying a few things, I mean this is a 4 mega pixel camera, so the pictures are probably not meant to be zoomed in on or anything. I like this phone and prefer not to swap it out.
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If its blurry, then it had to be defective. Pictures should be coming out like they are in the pictures thread.
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Do NOT do this. It removes the anti-reflective coating on it and will produce horrible glare. It seems HTC put it there to compensate for increased lighting from the UltraPixels. If its blurry, then it is certainly defective. Take a look at the camera thread in the general section to see how clear pictures are suppose to be.
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Known and common issue, the coating starts to scratch very easily (sometimes within weeks), which horribly blurs the photos. Removing using a variety of methods (toothpaste is common) is recommended IMO. Some folks have gotten warranty repair, but others have not (think HTC cited physical wear and tear). And who is the say the new lens cover won't just do the same after a few weeks?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/how-to-fix-htc-one-m8-camera-issue-t2803825
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/how-to-fix-scratches-camera-lens-t2816807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2715784
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How are your pics?
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some truly beautiful pics by the M8 have been posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694621
Pics with the M8 are pretty sharp under a variety of light conditions. Although its pretty subjective, many will say this phone is comparable to other current devices. If you have a fundamental issue of blurry photos, look at the camera lens and see if the coating is scratched, as I've mentioned. It should be pretty obvious to see, if this is the case.
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I'm wondering if my phone is defected or is HTC serious about this camera? This takes pictures like a phone from 2008 or prior. I'm talking blackberry pre 2010 era wtf!? Almost every picture snapped is blurry and not at all crisp. I have to switch it to manual and mess with a lot of settings to maybe get a decent shot (maybe). All m8 owners, how do you deal with this f'n thing? Everything else about the phone is near perfect then there is this deal breaker. What were they thinking?
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Can you post up some samples, then we can help you. There are many people who love bashing HTC because of what paid reviewers have written/said about the camera.. If you always use your camera in "idiot" mode or "Auto" mode as the manufacturers call it, then your pictures will always look rubbish.
have a go at using ISO, EV, Shutter Speed and WB, they are there for a reason..look up basic photography and learn to understand light and how they work.
To me, the M8 walks over the crappy S5 camera.. then goes back for a 2nd go..
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Known and common issue, the coating starts to scratch very easily (sometimes within weeks), which horribly blurs the photos. Removing using a variety of methods (toothpaste is common) is recommended IMO. Some folks have gotten warranty repair, but others have not (think HTC cited physical wear and tear). And who is the say the new lens cover won't just do the same after a few weeks?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/general/how-to-fix-htc-one-m8-camera-issue-t2803825
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one-m8/help/how-to-fix-scratches-camera-lens-t2816807
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2715784
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some truly beautiful pics by the M8 have been posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694621
If you have a fundamental issue of blurry photos, look at the camera lens and see if the coating is scratched, as I've mentioned. It should be pretty obvious to see, if this is the case.
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The coating scratches if you do not take care of it. It's as sensitive as the AR coating on glasses or camera lenses. If its scratched, then removing it is the only way. The best way to approach this is to take good care of the AR coating. Removing the coating will cause horrible flare/glare.
The AR coating is there for a reason. This is nothing new in lens manufacturing....DONT remove it.
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Are you talking about flares or blur? If you removed the AR coating of the camera, then you're going to get horrible flares. HTC had the film to aid in reducing glare but people are removing it which is puzzling.
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Because a few flares under easily avoidable conditions (don't take pics directly at a light source) is greatly preferable to every picture being horribly blurred.
I held out removing the coating as long as I could (about 3 months of ownership), since I didn't like the idea of intentionally removing it with an abrasive (even a mild one). But not what I have, the image quality is greatly improved, and glare/flares are not an issue.
How would you know if the coating makes such a difference if you've never removed yours? Coating like this don't make as much a difference as you seem to think. IMO, actually little or (more likely) no difference.
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The coating scratches if you do not take care of it. It's as sensitive as the AR coating on glasses or camera lenses. If its scratched, then removing it is the only way. The best way to approach this is to take good care of the AR coating. Removing the coating will cause horrible flare/glare.
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No, it really won't.
I don't "baby" my phone. But I take pretty good care of it, and it was scratched enough to ruin picture after 3 months. I use a TPU case, that doesn't cover the camera, but the cutouts provide some protection. The phone is usually in my pocket (never anything else in that pocket) or sitting on my desk/counter.
Unless you are surgically careful with your phone, its going to happen to yours, too. Its just a matter of time.