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[face_palm] HTC Desire HD.

Well isn't this rumour fantastic news?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/15/rumored-htc-desire-hd-specs-surface-4-3-inch-screen-8-megapixe/

Afro Az said:
Well isn't this rumour fantastic news?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/15/rumored-htc-desire-hd-specs-surface-4-3-inch-screen-8-megapixe/
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October timeframe sounds about right. It doesn't sound like enough of an upgrade for me to worry about it, so I guess I'll skip that generation and wait for the next.
Regards,
Dave

damn aluminium body <3 shame about the too big screen, though it be prob possible to port some of the stuff from it to our desires

I just read that on another site and considering I just bought my Desire online yesterday (so it isn't here yet), it wasn't be best news item to read.
I didn't really want a 4.3" screen though (especially if it's pentile...), and while the aluminium body sounds great, none of the other changes are appealing enough to me to worry about.

I know it happens all the time in the tech world. But I hate the feeling I get when something newer and shinier comes out and I can't get it. Especially when its a "better" specced model of a phone I already own.
P.S I know the phone isn't out yet and is only a rumour, but don't you guys sometimes feel the same?

Think of it as the GSM, 3G-only, version of the EVO 4G that everyone has been asking for. The aluminum body addition is nice.

4.3" too big

I like this present device enough... don't need an upgrade until things improve considerably more, which I'm not expecting till March-June 2011. The only currently outstanding issue for me is memory space.
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It's not really too much of an upgrade. Better camera and in built memory. There will be better stuff to come than this for sure.

Looks like HD2 on steroids with Android. I suppose it will have LCD and if they manage to squeeze it in smaller body then HD2, but with bigger battery it would be great.

i think im gonna cry, simply better than the desire

Ah don't worry about it, it's not as if it's life and death is it.

theres always going to be something better coming out.
Get what you need, and not whats new on the streets

I was slightly underwhelmed to be honest...

Specs are great, everything is "desirable" apart from the size of the device as i personally think 4.3" screen is too big - owned the Touch HD2 but sold it for the Desire as it was too big for me, especially with a leather case
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

cgrec92 said:
i think im gonna cry, simply better than the desire
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How is it better? Same processor, possibly similar RAM and most likely running Sense 2.1 or getting 2.2 at the same time as the current Desire. An aluminium body doesn't make a phone and more likely than not it will be in some sort if case anyway.
The rest of the specs are a natural evolution of things though that screen is getting close to tablet territory for me. I think the Desire is a great phone the way it is though a Hummingbird processor and PowerVR GPU would be certainly welcome.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

There's not really much in the way of specs increase though, same processor means it won't have increased performance...
More onboard storage is handy, but not as essential as it was thanks to apps2SD. A bigger screen without a resolution change doesn't really interest me, the Desire seems about the right size as it is. No interest in a slightly improved camera.
Pretty underwhelming for a 'Desire HD'.

Coming from a HD2 I am not jealous it has a bigger screen lol.. Only thing that would get me jealous was if it had 4G and a faster CPU, which it doesn't. Until then, it can have a bigger screen, 720p recording and what not, I couldn't really care less lol, we have custom roms with 720p recording anyway so that one is already irrelevant. I love my Desire so much more because it doesn't take my entire hand to use and because it just works like a phone should (Unlike HD2). Anyone who is thinking "oh crap I just got my Desire" you have an awesome phone. Enjoy it and stop worrying about new versions lol (Until a sort of EVO 4G comes out here, then ill join the club haha)

What i find to be so disappointing is that they aren't upgrading the CPU! I mean cmon HTC look at what Samsung and Motorola have coming out. Not to mention the fact that the Snapdragon's GPU is pretty poor compared to samsung/moto. The earlier rumors stated that the Ace would have a dual core @ 1.5Ghz, what happened to that?!?

SupremeBeaver said:
The earlier rumors stated that the Ace would have a dual core @ 1.5Ghz, what happened to that?!?
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I really can't see any benefit whatsoever in having a CPU with those sort of specs in a phone at the moment.
Regards,
Dave

[Q] Desire, upgrading from Hero, worth upgrading?

Hi All,
I'm from Malaysia, here we pretty much dont have contracts, thus we are free to buy our own unlocked mobiles, albeit at retail prices.
Anyway, i've been using the hero for a year now, and am thinking of upgrading. I have narrowed it down to either a Desire, Nexus One or Samsung I9000 Galaxy.
Both the Desire and Galaxy are officially available here, but the Nexus One isn't (i'd have to go for grey imports - thus warranty becomes a problem). Leaving the nexus out, im left with the desire and galaxy, both have almost the same price, but i've been browsing the galaxy forum and it seems there are lags (with lag fixes)? Hardware wise, the galaxy is more powerful (but is it that noticeable?), but what i want is a mobile with very active and broad range of rom development, the desire wins in this case over the galaxy.
Will it be worth it and wise to get a desire now, since the desire HD is going to be released soon? I for one find the HD's screen too big for me. What i want is a phone that i would be able to use for at least a year+, and one that has active rom development (which is why i choose the hero a year back).
I've been looking at the spec sheet and the HD has only certain advantages over the Desire, namely better GPU (adreno 205 vs 200 on the desire), fab process (45nm vs 65nm for the desire) which should translate to lower power consumption but the behemoth of a display on the HD would consume more power, a better camera (8mp vs 5mp - with such small sensors, whats the difference anyways?), and slightly extra ram. Oh, and of course the screen size difference.
That being said, i'd like to know from you desire owners is it worth upgrading to a desire from a hero now? And also, whats the battery life on the stock desire?

Maybe the Desire Z is better for you?

I've recently upgraded from Hero to Desire and i can assure you it definetely worth the money. IMO Hero's hardware is insufficient to support its software, making the phone lagging most of the times. Desire's 1ghz processor + extra RAM makes the phone work fluently - almost as an iphone. Also desire has a much better camera and a much better screen in matters of brightness and resolution. Body design is also better, phone is thinner and construction sturdier. The battery life isn't as good as on the Hero (lasts 3-4 days vs 1-2 days on the Desire).

ste1164 said:
Maybe the Desire Z is better for you?
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Maybe i forgot to mention that i am not looking for a phone with physical qwerty keyboard. The reason behind this: It has a slider which has mechanical moving parts and is more prone to damage. I've had too many problems with flips/sliders right from the days of Motorola Startac, my last slider being a nokia n96, which flex cable gave away twice, so i kinda have a phobia towards anything but candybars .
I also want a 'best bang for buck' device, and both the desire/galaxy s are in that category. I could only imagine the retail price of the desire hd and z when they are launched here.
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I've recently upgraded from Hero to Desire and i can assure you it definetely worth the money. IMO Hero's hardware is insufficient to support its software, making the phone lagging most of the times. Desire's 1ghz processor + extra RAM makes the phone work fluently - almost as an iphone. Also desire has a much better camera and a much better screen in matters of brightness and resolution. Body design is also better, phone is thinner and construction sturdier. The battery life isn't as good as on the Hero (lasts 3-4 days vs 1-2 days on the Desire).
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Have you tried any of the roms which undervolts the proc? To be honest, the price of an iphone 4 isnt that too far away, just slightly higher than the desire here, but then again, i just cant explain why, but i cant see myself using an iphone ever. i practically hate it..

suresh13 said:
Have you tried any of the roms which undervolts the proc? To be honest, the price of an iphone 4 isnt that too far away, just slightly higher than the desire here, but then again, i just cant explain why, but i cant see myself using an iphone ever. i practically hate it..
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I am not suggesting that the iphone is an overall better phone... it's just that motion and scrolling are better as it uses a dedicated GPU. If i was to buy a phone i would again go for the Desire. It also costs almost half the price of the iphone.

bluesax said:
I am not suggesting that the iphone is an overall better phone... it's just that motion and scrolling are better as it uses a dedicated GPU. If i was to buy a phone i would again go for the Desire. It also costs almost half the price of the iphone.
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Hey dont get me wrong there! i was just voicing out my opinion on an iphone. Guess we're on the same page there.

Nothing desperately wrong with the iPhone. I own both and they are both fantastic. Why dont you try the desire, galaxy s and desire HD in store and see which one you like best?

ste1164 said:
Nothing desperately wrong with the iPhone. I own both and they are both fantastic. Why dont you try the desire, galaxy s and desire HD in store and see which one you like best?
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Well I can try out the galaxy s n desire in store, but not the desire hd as it's still not out.. well, even I admit the iPhone can be good, it just isn't my cup of tea
Sent from my HTC Hero using XDA App

bluesax said:
I've recently upgraded from Hero to Desire and i can assure you it definetely worth the money. IMO Hero's hardware is insufficient to support its software, making the phone lagging most of the times. Desire's 1ghz processor + extra RAM makes the phone work fluently - almost as an iphone. Also desire has a much better camera and a much better screen in matters of brightness and resolution. Body design is also better, phone is thinner and construction sturdier. The battery life isn't as good as on the Hero (lasts 3-4 days vs 1-2 days on the Desire).
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my hero is just as fast as my desire. just a easy to see in bright sunlight if not better, battery lasts longer and built much better, the only thing it cant do as well as my desire is play games .......

Hi mate, well i didn't have a hero so i can't help you out, but i had a sony xperia x10 instead and i can safely tell you the Desire is worth every penny more. Once you calibrate the battery the desire is really awesome!

Are overheating and self rebooting issues resolved?

Hi,
There was a lot of talk that HTC Desire suffers from overheating and random rebooting problems. Even worse, when they get their phone "repaired" after warranty service it still suffers from same problems, people needed to resend theirs Desire few times until its fixed. Well im planning to buy Desire but i wouldnt want those problems, in fact i pay quite a big price. One guy in this forum said that only two first motherboard revisions had that problem, but newer revisions no longer has this problem, altough i know a person who bought HTC Desire in late December, 2010, and well she said that her Desire sometimes gets hot somewhere in the bottom and reboots, but that doesnt happen often so thats not a problem for her. So seriously, what is the problem? If i will buy HTC Desire now is there a chance that i will have same problems? Or i should skip that phone and go straight to Desire HD or Desire S?
Thanks for answers

I'd go for desire s. Love my desire, but lack of space is really starting to annoy me. Had my mobo replaced few months ago, no reboots yet. Desire s is not MUCH better phone, but it looks like all the bad points with original desire have been rectified.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

tinky1 said:
I'd go for desire s. Love my desire, but lack of space is really starting to annoy me. Had my mobo replaced few months ago, no reboots yet. Desire s is not MUCH better phone, but it looks like all the bad points with original desire have been rectified.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
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Well i would think the same, but we are still not sure about Desire S. How many problems will it have? Perhaps it will also have showstoppers? In fact i believe that Desire S in no way would have as rich selection of Roms as the original Desire or even Desire HD. Just because i dont think its gonna be popular enough, so no people will use that phone - no contribution they could do. Other than that i really like that phone from what ive seen, its even better than Desire, but its price is a bit too big imo for now, perhaps it will become cheaper after it will be released...

I don't know about the overheating problems. I got my Desire July last year and had no issues with it at all. I don't know about you but I would prob get Desire S, purely because it is newer. I doubt their would be any issues at all but if your still not 100% sure what to do, just wait a couple of months and see if there are any complaints about the Desire S. It probably wouldn't be as popular as the original Desire, but I reckon there will be a fair few devs out there that would do the work.

If you want to by pass all these issues with the Desire I recommend getting the HTC Evo 4G. It never over-heats nor has random reboots. Just for a little more cash it is well worth price.

You know what's crap about 4G? We don't have it in the UK.

Well im in Europe and it doesnt support cdma phones so Evo is no go for me. Today our local shop announced that Desire S will be available at early april with a price of 448 euros. The price isnt that bad, and in fact that after the phone gets in the shop and if you wait for a few weeks the price always drops by 30 euros, so it will be even better. In fact that original Desire has price of 405 euro, so i dont think i should get old one and probably will head straight to Desire S, but ill wait to ensure Desire s has no problems for about a month.

Best phone of the moment is lg optimus dual...believe me..better hardware, good price
Sent from my HTC Desire

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Best phone of the moment is lg optimus dual...believe me..better hardware, good price
Sent from my HTC Desire
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Im not going to go deep into dual core discussion, but you dont know what are you talking about. Current android versions doesnt even support dual cores, even when it will support it dual core cpu will gain zero performance boost in most operations, just because dual core 1ghz doesnt mean 2ghz. And seeing latest nvidia news makes me laugh, the quad core mobile cpus is just an absurd. Even on pc theres actually no programs or even video games which uses more than two cores (except for compiling and video decoding which most of you dont use), so why would we need quad core cpu on phone? The atrix users already have random rebooting issues, while snapdragon's second gen cpu doesnt have any problems at all. And from the hands on it actually feels that atrix, optimus 2x or even galaxy s2 have slight lag when switching through homescreens, but HTC phones are 100% smooth. So judging about phone's performance by looking at the specs is just silly.

Nece228 said:
Im not going to go deep into dual core discussion, but you dont know what are you talking about. Current android versions doesnt even support dual cores, even when it will support it dual core cpu will gain zero performance boost in most operations, just because dual core 1ghz doesnt mean 2ghz. And seeing latest nvidia news makes me laugh, the quad core mobile cpus is just an absurd. Even on pc theres actually no programs or even video games which uses more than two cores (except for compiling and video decoding which most of you dont use), so why would we need quad core cpu on phone? The atrix users already have random rebooting issues, while snapdragon's second gen cpu doesnt have any problems at all. And from the hands on it actually feels that atrix, optimus 2x or even galaxy s2 have slight lag when switching through homescreens, but HTC phones are 100% smooth. So judging about phone's performance by looking at the specs is just silly.
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Actually i know that current android dont support multi core and i also know that 1gh dual core are not 2ghz..thanks anyway
..But android 2.4 will support multi core procesors..so if u want a phone thinking for a long period, then in my opinion that is a good choice..
"so why would we need quad core cpu on phone?" if u really think this, buy a nokia 6600
u must think in future purpose, this just my opinion...if u like buy a phone every year and have money for that, then do it..i had 3 phones in the last 8 years..every time i choice a phone to have for a long time..
sorry for my english

Android 2.4 is gingerbread for every other device apart from the nexus one and nexus s and a couple more phones. 2.4 does not support gingerbread either.

Nece228 said:
[...] so why would we need quad core cpu on phone?
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If all ppl thought like you we would still go on horseback and there won't be any cars, planes and so on
In technical terms it is NEVER relevant if we really "NEED" it, because the important thing to evolve is to think "is it possible to do"!

Definitely quad core cpus is innovation, but its just an absurd because currently even pcs dont really use more than two cores for average user. If quad cores doesnt have anything useful for pcs how could they be useful to smartphone? Sorry but blindly following whats new is just stupid. Everything has boundaries. Why nobody makes pcs with 12 cores or even more now? Because it could be totally useless so pcs now dont get anything new because its already full featured and theres nothing you can add. The same story is with smart phones, why would you need it? Are you planning to compile applications with your phone? As some people say: Talk loud, repeat that few times and people will believe it. Im not going to be victim of adverts. Everyone chooses what they like, i choose HTC just because its reliable, smooth software, not like crappy LG or Samsung which has good hardware but poor software. In fact in day to day operations dual core phones like galaxy s2 or optimus 2x felt even laggier than HTC devices. Just because their software is crap.

Nece228 said:
Definitely quad core cpus is innovation, but its just an absurd because currently even pcs dont really use more than two cores for average user. If quad cores doesnt have anything useful for pcs how could they be useful to smartphone? Sorry but blindly following whats new is just stupid. Everything has boundaries. Why nobody makes pcs with 12 cores or even more now? Because it could be totally useless so pcs now dont get anything new because its already full featured and theres nothing you can add. The same story is with smart phones, why would you need it? Are you planning to compile applications with your phone? As some people say: Talk loud, repeat that few times and people will believe it. Im not going to be victim of adverts. Everyone chooses what they like, i choose HTC just because its reliable, smooth software, not like crappy LG or Samsung which has good hardware but poor software. In fact in day to day operations dual core phones like galaxy s2 or optimus 2x felt even laggier than HTC devices. Just because their software is crap.
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between Apple and HTC, I'd say HTC is laggier & I have both.
I have near zero faith in LG & Samsung in software fixes. I'd rather go for Nokia for reliable hardware
HTC Desire is laggy as hell for me when I was using unrooted froyo so best not to judge a phone by it's cover. (Laggy as in really sluggish performance in terms of web browsing/certain gaming lag not to mention hot as -)

Gundam00qan said:
between Apple and HTC, I'd say HTC is laggier & I have both.
I have near zero faith in LG & Samsung in software fixes. I'd rather go for Nokia for reliable hardware
HTC Desire is laggy as hell for me when I was using unrooted froyo so best not to judge a phone by it's cover. (Laggy as in really sluggish performance in terms of web browsing/certain gaming lag not to mention hot as -)
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You should have seriously checked your apps. All of the reviewers say that HTC Desire is super smooth (at least compared to other android handsets). While definitely its not as smooth as iphone, it gives me user power. Theres only one device which runs ios so ios is optimized for that iphone, while in comparison there are hundreds of android devices and optimizing android for every device is unpractical, so thats why android devices dont work as smooth as iphone. The reason im not choosing Iphone is the limitations and restrictions it has. Im a geek, and i want geekish phone.
Btw are you still in 2003? Forget Nokia's hardware, now its the same as others, i own few Nokias and their build quality isnt better than Samsung. New nokias are unstable and weak like all other manufacturers and thats natural because the more complex phone is the more fragile it is.

Possible Fix for Overheating HTC Desire
Hi!
I have a HTC Desire with the AMOLED-Screen, which is said to be way better than the SLCD. I did a lot of research using Google and various forums, but did not find a real fix for my overheating phone: everytime i did more than just listen to music, my phone rebooted over and over again. It did get hot in the commonly described areas (around the microSDHC and SIM-Card and the little black square), and i had to rip off the battery to make it stop. I was really annoyed since i read that i would get a replacement without the AMOLED-Screen, that is why i decided to do some testing on my own. I found out, that i had less trouble with higher workload when i enhanced cooling by putting it in the fridge for example. (Other things like changing the microSDHC did not solve the problem for me.) When it comes to computers overheating, you clean them and have a look at the thermal grease between the chips and the coolers - and that is what i decided to do to my phone. On the inside of the battery cover, there is some metal-like shield in the lower area. I guess it is there for heat dissipation - but maybe it did not have proper contact. As i did not want to clutter the phone with thermal paste, i ordered a pad on ebay (for about 2€), cut it into smaller pieces and attached it to the parts that are known to become hot (see above). Then i attached my phone to the charger and ran a lot of apps, that would usually make my phone crash (Music Player, Skype, Internet Browsing at the same time). The back of the phone grew hotter and hotter (and was, in the end, a lot hotter than anything i have encountered over the last few month with my crashing phone), but it was stable!
So, if you are annoyed with your overheating HTC Desire: This might be a fix for you:
Buy a thermal pad (as it is used for CPUs, GPUs or Chipsets, mine was about 0,5mm thick) and attach it to the metal parts over SIM and microSDHC as well as the tiny black square and the area to the left of it. Mount the battery cover and enjoy!
Hope i could help
Terminator
I also posted this in another thread, but it might be a bit easier to find that way.
EDIT: Turns out, the "fix" only delays the reboot-loop. It appears a lot more stable, yet it did still annoy me. Yesterday i handed it in for a replacement.

Trading Desire for Galaxy S - good deal?

I already posted in the marketplace, but I wanted to hear your opinions, current Desire owners. I've been really worried with this device lately, mostly because of the hardware limitations it has. It costs almost the same as the SGS but it has a very weak GPU for today's high-end smartphone standards, it doesn't have a real multitouch (and I was shocked and felt scammed by HTC when I found out, I can't even play some modern shooters). The screen on the SGS is way much better (super amoled and bigger screen, my Desire has SLCD, enough said). I also have very limited internal memory and most Sense updates aren't supported because of this, I'm sick of app2sd or data2sd scripts that slow down the phone (don't tell me it doesn't, cause it does, class 6 card and I'm still getting lags when installing or deleting apps).
What I'm worried about on this trade, is the build quality on the samsung (I heard its kinda crappy), the sense UI (I will probably miss it, I tried several non-sense ROMs on and rolled back to Sense after a day or two), the missing camera flash (it's ok tho...) and I heard there are some issues with the GPS (which may be fixed with a custom ROM).
I'm also wondering if samsung will have an official update for gingerbread on their galaxy S, it would be a deal breaker if they wouldn't release it
Overall I feel pretty scammed with this device. Like I said, I payed a lot of money when it came out to find out that it doesn't even have multitouch, wth?
You, as Desire owners, would you trade your phone for a galaxy S?

Love HTC Desire
Nope and what games are you talking about?
I think the most graphic intensive game i have on my Desire is PES 2011?
How many apps do you actually need?
I love the extensive support for HTC Desire here at XDA.
Running MIUI rom on a class 2 sd card and yes I get the occasional lag which probably means some apps didn't close properly.
My Desire has the AMOLED screen.

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Nope and what games are you talking about?
I think the most graphic intensive game i have on my Desire is PES 2011?
How many apps do you actually need?
I love the extensive support for HTC Desire here at XDA.
Running MIUI rom on a class 2 sd card and yes I get the occasional lag which probably means some apps didn't close properly.
My Desire has the AMOLED screen.
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Shooters like nova or modern combat don't work properly because Desire doesn't have true multitouch screen. Aside from that, some gpu intensive games don't run smooth.

If you need your phone for games, go for the sgs, I believe user experience is much more than simple specs though and that's why I went for the desire.
I think a whole new desire or other gsm smartphone line will be released soon after the evo 3d

If you still have Desire in your hand, I say, can you wait for some time?
At least until Samsung Galaxy S2 or any other new Android phones from the next generation, those with dual cores proc, are already in the market.
I know Galaxy S or Desire HD is better than Desire but it is not really a major improvement (in my opinion).

Thing is, I don't have much money to spend. If I would be getting a newer phone I would definitely get the Desire HD or something, but SGS is close to price on second-hand and it would be an easy trade. My next phone will be bought next year, I get a new one every 2 years. I was just thinking to this exchange atm. The lack of a true multitouch is really pissing me off.

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Thing is, I don't have much money to spend. If I would be getting a newer phone I would definitely get the Desire HD or something, but SGS is close to price on second-hand and it would be an easy trade. My next phone will be bought next year, I get a new one every 2 years. I was just thinking to this exchange atm. The lack of a true multitouch is really pissing me off.
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Hmmm...if you aren't really in need of having a new phone, I think Desire can still serve you well until next year..but..if you can get a good price for a second hand Galaxy S or Desire HD and also if you can get a good price for your current Desire..well...it is also not a bad idea...

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What I'm worried about on this trade, is the build quality on the samsung (I heard its kinda crappy), the sense UI (I will probably miss it, I tried several non-sense ROMs on and rolled back to Sense after a day or two), the missing camera flash (it's ok tho...) and I heard there are some issues with the GPS (which may be fixed with a custom ROM)
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My mate's got a Galaxy S and it does feel flimsy when held next to my Desire. It's really light in comparison and although some could argue in it's favour, personally it just doesn't feel like it has the same build quality. I'd worry if it was dropped but then that's nothing a good case wouldn't fix I suppose.
The screen isn't noticeably better in normal use but I've got an AMOLED Desire, I haven't seen an LCD to compare to.
The lack of Sense and Sense widgets is really apparent and if, like you said, you don't like non-sense Roms then it could be an issue. This is still Android though of course so with a little patience you could still customise with apps that give a similar appearance if not quite exactly the same experience.
All being said, it is a nice piece of kit and it is better in graphic intensive games. There's no denying it's value for money. It would take quite a bit more to persuade me to swap my Desire for it though.

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You, as Desire owners, would you trade your phone for a galaxy S?
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No. I've used samsung I5700 recently, a much cheaper phone, but I have enough of samsung for a while I already can tell that I don't really like sense and will switch to CM. I hate glossy plastic . Instead of app2sd I will use link2sd with custom hboot.
I imagine if not samsung someone will port gingerbread to i9000 and if you want good MT you probably need to switch anyway

lvnatic said:
I already posted in the marketplace, but I wanted to hear your opinions, current Desire owners. I've been really worried with this device lately, mostly because of the hardware limitations it has. It costs almost the same as the SGS but it has a very weak GPU for today's high-end smartphone standards, it doesn't have a real multitouch (and I was shocked and felt scammed by HTC when I found out, I can't even play some modern shooters). The screen on the SGS is way much better (super amoled and bigger screen, my Desire has SLCD, enough said). I also have very limited internal memory and most Sense updates aren't supported because of this, I'm sick of app2sd or data2sd scripts that slow down the phone (don't tell me it doesn't, cause it does, class 6 card and I'm still getting lags when installing or deleting apps).
What I'm worried about on this trade, is the build quality on the samsung (I heard its kinda crappy), the sense UI (I will probably miss it, I tried several non-sense ROMs on and rolled back to Sense after a day or two), the missing camera flash (it's ok tho...) and I heard there are some issues with the GPS (which may be fixed with a custom ROM).
I'm also wondering if samsung will have an official update for gingerbread on their galaxy S, it would be a deal breaker if they wouldn't release it
Overall I feel pretty scammed with this device. Like I said, I payed a lot of money when it came out to find out that it doesn't even have multitouch, wth?
You, as Desire owners, would you trade your phone for a galaxy S?
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i had a sgs fascinate and i hated it. yes the gpu is better and its noticable but the touchwiz ui sucks. plus super amoled kills sucks your battery life quickly. with 3 hours screen on, youll b at 20%. plus flashing custom roms and stuff can b a chore. odin is alot more tricky to play with then your providers ruu. id suggest the desire hd or wait 4 the desire s. there r things i miss about my sgs. but im happy with my desire. sense ui cannot b beat. 10minutes with touch wiz and youll understand what i mean

The GPS chip on the SGS is utterly ****. No two ways about it and no fix for it as it's a hardware design fault. Can't be used for driving navigation as it's only accurate to about 50-100m when moving.
If nav is important to you then don't do it.

I don't know why you're having trouble with the Desire, just flash a new ROM and be done with it. If you can't be bothered, get the crappy DHD or the SGS.

Good deal? No period...
But then again I'm sure if you ask on SGS forum they'll tell you otherwise... I wouldn't change my desire for anything on the market right now...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

If the performanc eof the desire is not enough just buy a class 10 microsd card of over 8gb and you will see a big difference in operating speed with any custom roms.

trade
can i trade my galaxy s i9000 w/ miui 2.3.3. rc3 for your desire

debateable?
Ihave the desire and my wife has the galaxy s,i do actually like the s,but more for its screen size not hardware or os. sense is a bonus for a phone i find,but its your preference,im running insertcoin 2.0.0 a2sd at the moment,roms,really do extend your love of a phone. Though roms are out for the galaxy...
but end of the day..................MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND?

Afaik the sgs is basically a desire with a better gpu and a bit newer cpu. If you don't care too much about games you should go for the desire since it has better software, better build quality, better support and last but not least better devs here on xda

A strong contender Emerges ..Galaxy S3

Samsung reveals the Galaxy S3 quad-core processor​
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/samsung-reveals-the-galaxy-s3-quad-core-processor-1077741
Samsung promises "powerful quad core performance" and reveals that the Exynos 4 Quad doubles the performance of its dual-core predecessor, "while consuming 20% less power".
Any of you guys fearing Galaxy S3 will do to ONEX what S2 did to sensation : ) ?
Any thoughts ?

Fatelord said:
Samsung reveals the Galaxy S3 quad-core processor​
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...als-the-galaxy-s3-quad-core-processor-1077741
Samsung promises "powerful quad core performance" and reveals that the Exynos 4 Quad doubles the performance of its dual-core predecessor, "while consuming 20% less power".
Any of you guys fearing Galaxy S3 will do to ONEX what S2 did to sensation : ) ?
Any thoughts ?
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Well if they don't improve touchwiz (or hopefully remove it) then ill be keeping my one x ;-)
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Samsung reveals the Galaxy S3 quad-core processor​
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/samsung-reveals-the-galaxy-s3-quad-core-processor-1077741
Samsung promises "powerful quad core performance" and reveals that the Exynos 4 Quad doubles the performance of its dual-core predecessor, "while consuming 20% less power".
Any of you guys fearing Galaxy S3 will do to ONEX what S2 did to sensation : ) ?
Any thoughts ?
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Why should I fear? Every devices has it's own cons and pros I know what I get when I buy HOX and I know what will happen when I wait for SGS3. Maybe they'll show off with some stupid benchmark which I don't care. They just announced the processor will take a long time before coimng to a Smart phone.

benchmarks mean jack..it is all about what the user experience of the phone provides to the consumer that the vast majority are looking into now.. And i think that the One X provides that now. It has the all round good factor about it. Great specs but also great experience..What i mean it has everything in one. Great for games and great for music and all the other things to improve the phone even more with development

This thread will get closed, not relevant to the HOX. Although patiently waiting to see what it brings to the table

The original Galaxy S had a supposedly more powerful GPU than the Desire.
That didn't stop it from freezing every second and randomly rebooting every few minutes. It also didn't change the fact it felt like a fragile toy. It didn't change the fact that the plastic used was the exact same as what you'd find on their €50 Europa.
Samsung can up the numbers as much as they'd like but it won't stand for anything if it doesn't feel right. User experience is everything, numbers are nothing.

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benchmarks mean jack..it is all about what the user experience of the phone provides to the consumer that the vast majority are looking into now.. And i think that the One X provides that now. It has the all round good factor about it. Great specs but also great experience..What i mean it has everything in one. Great for games and great for music and all the other things to improve the phone even more with development
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I agree with these comments. I think you don't need the extra power anymore for quadcores. It's about milliseconds, dont really notice it with human eyes.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

One thing is for sure..it won't look as beautiful n stunning n give a premium feel as my One X..its gonna be the same cheap plasticy finish..n dull..n if they used the pentile matrix again with oversaturated colors (like in galaxy note) its gonna be having the same black clipping issues..grey squares all over black..
M done with Samsung..I don't care if they put 6 cores in there..I totally love my One X..
Sent from my Stunning White HTC One X

NoobTerminator said:
benchmarks mean jack..it is all about what the user experience of the phone provides to the consumer that the vast majority are looking into now.. And i think that the One X provides that now. It has the all round good factor about it. Great specs but also great experience..What i mean it has everything in one. Great for games and great for music and all the other things to improve the phone even more with development
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Its funny how people can be hypocrites. I'm nit saying you in particular but everyone is showing their HOX benchmark all proud but when we talk about the Galaxy s 3 then all of a sudden benchmarks don't matter anymore.I expect the galaxy s3 to mop the floor with the one x in terms of user experience, speed, battery life. The only area where I think the one x might be better than the S3 is build quality and MAYBE screen cause as awesome as the one x screen is, we have yet to see what the S3 screen is all about.

Unless the g3 comes in a One X chassis and runs Sense 4.0, i won't be interested. All it will be good for is comparing stats.

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Its funny how people can be hypocrites. I'm nit saying you in particular but everyone is showing their HOX benchmark all proud but when we talk about the Galaxy s 3 then all of a sudden benchmarks don't matter anymore.I expect the galaxy s3 to mop the floor with the one x in terms of user experience, speed, battery life. The only area where I think the one x might be better than the S3 is build quality and MAYBE screen cause as awesome as the one x screen is, we have yet to see what the S3 screen is all about.
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i can't physically notice the pixels on the 720p screen, why the hell would i want a 1080 screen on a phone ffs?
anyway, expectations are the mother of all ****-ups...
imho another bull**** flame bait thread.

mod lockdown imminent

Benchmarks are useless. For me personally I find the HOX plenty fast for my needs. Sure it'll improve with kernels and such.
More importantly UI is a major factor. TouchWiz albeit decent is poor compared to Sense. Sense is lovely few gripes but lovely none the less.
Now if Samsung totally revamp and totally recreate TouchWiz then that will be something to consider. I loved the SGS2 but spent most of it's last months on AOKP.
Personal preferences, I prefer the simplicity and usefulness of Sense and it's widgets hence why I came back home to HTC. Competition is good for us

I expect the S3 to have
1. better battery life (32nm process, same A9 core, AMOLED uses less power, bigger overall battery in S3) when in use,
2. similar stand by time (no power saving core),
3. similar computing power (Antutu being the benchmark as it just gives raw number crunching results).
4. S3 will have a much worse screen than the One X (AMOLED simply ruins the colors. My old HD2 wipes the floor with the S2 concerning screen colors).
5. S3 will be boring. Have you seen TouchWiz? Sense is bliss compared to it. Also, the S2 feels cheap (but then again so shoes the One X compared to my HD2 and even more to iPhone)
All in all.. my choice would be a well-manufactured One XL (best battery life and best processor but lower performance - that I can live with). But they don't sell them here.. and they don't seem to manufacture many good ones yet.
Sent from my HD2 using XDA

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Its funny how people can be hypocrites. I'm nit saying you in particular but everyone is showing their HOX benchmark all proud but when we talk about the Galaxy s 3 then all of a sudden benchmarks don't matter anymore.I expect the galaxy s3 to mop the floor with the one x in terms of user experience, speed, battery life. The only area where I think the one x might be better than the S3 is build quality and MAYBE screen cause as awesome as the one x screen is, we have yet to see what the S3 screen is all about.
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There are people who are obsessed with benchmark. But IMO these benchmark can be tweaked we saw an article where benchmark app was compromised and tweak to their chipset. By unlocking FSP cap you can get better scores but you'll see lot of display glitches. That's why I really don't care about benchmark. In todays world whatever you buy the latest and greatest will be out-dates in matter of days. You can't keep up with it. As far as software I don't care for both Sense and TouchWiz. Anyway I'll strip it and flash CM once it's out.

As long as the SGS3 has external micro SD I'll be getting it over the ONE X, the ONE X without external memory support is too Apple like for me. I like freedom, thus the reason I choose Android.

barondebxl said:
Its funny how people can be hypocrites. I'm nit saying you in particular but everyone is showing their HOX benchmark all proud but when we talk about the Galaxy s 3 then all of a sudden benchmarks don't matter anymore.I expect the galaxy s3 to mop the floor with the one x in terms of user experience, speed, battery life. The only area where I think the one x might be better than the S3 is build quality and MAYBE screen cause as awesome as the one x screen is, we have yet to see what the S3 screen is all about.
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Come again why are you on this side of the forums if you think that the S3 is going to mop the floor with the one x in terms of everything basically? We get it you love the S3 and you really do not like the HOX. But for my life i have not read anyone go on about the specs behind this phone and raving about it. I for one got this phone not because of tegra 3 and because of it being the first quadcore but because of like i said the user experience...
Benchmarks are for those who love to brag how big and powerful their phone is. Like something else to feel good about themselves Look at the S2..Now that phone was the best and maybe still one of the top 2 phones in the world in my eyes. It had it all. But when it came down to user experience it sucked.
In regarding games you needed chainfire 3d to be able to play tegra games. I can do that without that with my HOX. And it will probably be the same with the s3.
Quality of sound. Again the S2 lacked way behind. It needed Supercurio to release his Voodoo Louder app to give some sense of good audio. My HOX comes with beats audio already with the phone no need for anything extra. And i bet it will be the same with the s3. All power no end product.
Touchwiz. I actually loved touchwiz. But now using sense i love sense even more.
Now no denying the s3 will be the king of android phones when it comes out. But you will find that there are people out there who prefer the HOX for the overall user experience and not because of the specs it provides..And lets not forget this phone is quite powerful in its own right and will only get better with the help from development here...So maybe you need to go somewhere else to rave about your s3
And i agree..This thread needs closing because it is becoming a flame war and provides nothing for our gorgeous phone

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And what exactly did the S2 do to the sensation? AFAIK, it was a worthy competitor, but was also buggy as hell (GPS problems) and lets not forget that it felt like a cheap toy and came with touchwhizz.
Lots of people bought the sensation after having held both devices.
I have no doubt that the S3 will be a great phone. But that won't make the One X any less.

"Mop the floor" lol. It will be a little bit faster in some respects, as is always the same with the next new smartphone, it has slightly more advanced tech than the previous one.
"mopping the floor" is like comparing the sg3 to a nokia 3310.
But the Nokia wins on battery life

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Come again why are you on this side of the forums if you think that the S3 is going to mop the floor with the one x in terms of everything basically? We get it you love the S3 and you really do not like the HOX. But for my life i have not read anyone go on about the specs behind this phone and raving about it. I for one got this phone not because of tegra 3 and because of it being the first quadcore but because of like i said the user experience...
Benchmarks are for those who love to brag how big and powerful their phone is. Like something else to feel good about themselves Look at the S2..Now that phone was the best and maybe still one of the top 2 phones in the world in my eyes. It had it all. But when it came down to user experience it sucked.
In regarding games you needed chainfire 3d to be able to play tegra games. I can do that without that with my HOX. And it will probably be the same with the s3.
Quality of sound. Again the S2 lacked way behind. It needed Supercurio to release his Voodoo Louder app to give some sense of good audio. My HOX comes with beats audio already with the phone no need for anything extra. And i bet it will be the same with the s3. All power no end product.
Touchwiz. I actually loved touchwiz. But now using sense i love sense even more.
Now no denying the s3 will be the king of android phones when it comes out. But you will find that there are people out there who prefer the HOX for the overall user experience and not because of the specs it provides..And lets not forget this phone is quite powerful in its own right and will only get better with the help from development here...So maybe you need to go somewhere else to rave about your s3
And i agree..This thread needs closing because it is becoming a flame war and provides nothing for our gorgeous phone
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And i agree..This thread needs closing -- but you rant at full steam like rest of the guys. You are one of the "criminals" who's taking part in the fight, and yet you have to portray a righteous image about yourself. wow!
In regarding games you needed chainfire 3d to be able to play tegra games
-- I need you to read your statement again properly. So, some developers decided not to make their apps compatible with Mali400 GPU and utilize proprietary nvidia compression. I guess it's Samsung's fault that those developers are not interested to run their apps/games on non-Tegra devices. You don't need CF3D for "normal" games. If this is your excuse for poor user experience, blame the devs.