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Hi!
Hope you guys can help me.
I´m going out travelling next month and now i´m looking for some good travelling speakers for my Rhodium. I´ve been looking around, but the most i found are made for iPhone.
So now I´m asking if someone knows if it exists similiar for HTC?
And not the tiny ones with crappy sound?
Blutooth, usb, 3,5mm? Come with suggestions, please.
(Sorry for bad english)
[Edit]Someone tried the Altec Lansing inMotion IM4?
Most probably too late. I use Nokia MD-4 on my HTC. It's 3.5mm plug end. They are quite powerful for size, and sound nice. A huge improvement on my internal HTC speakers.
got creative travelsound they work ok if you don't want super loud sound
http://www.gadgetspage.com/audio-video/review-x-mini-capsule-speaker.html
I got this one. This is by far the best portable speaker. It's very small yet you hear the bass (because of the extendable feature) perfectly and full.
I guarantee you that you won't regret buying this speaker.
By the way, my dad was able to get a newer version of this and it's now a dual speaker. I just don't know where to find one on the internet.
Also, beware of fakes, they don't last long
1) http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/speakers/9e68/
2) http://www.amazon.com/IHOME-Recharg...HSD3Y/ref=pd_bxgy_t_img_b/190-7863992-4902163
I haven't seen much beat these :
http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/9623066/X-Mi-X-Mini-II-2nd-Generation-Capsule-iPod-MP3-Speaker/Product.html
Each one under £14 and it really rocks! I bought one and most people who hear it are amazed by the loudness and the bass ability when you unscrew it. Very small (easily fits in the palm of your hand) and youcan daisychain them together with the built-in socket.
Does anyone know of a speaker system that does NOT require a 3.5 mm jack and plugs directly into the mini USB port?
I can go the other way, but if I had one less dongle to carry that would be good.
Thanks in advance.
If you want sth really weird, look here:
http://tamspalm.tamoggemon.com/2005/11/19/review-inflatable-speakers-by-ellula-now-defunct/
But, onto sth more serious: I dont think that MiniUSB can support speaker. It is data out only...
See these
http://www.chillpillaudio.com/ (Review)
http://www.x-mini.com/
Seems like everyone but the first runners and (Tmo) are getting the version with a 3.5mm jack. I think Tmo will also get this version too once they bleed out stock. My guess is the next production runs of TP2's will have the jack for Tmo.
Makes sense from a production standpoint in regards to sub-assemblies. HTC's decision to finally bail on usb audio happened during TP2 production.
rushless said:
Seems like everyone but the first runners and (Tmo) are getting the version with a 3.5mm jack. I think Tmo will also get this version too once they bleed out stock. My guess is the next production runs of TP2's will have the jack for Tmo.
Makes sense from a production standpoint in regards to sub-assemblies. HTC's decision to finally bail on usb audio happened during TP2 production.
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Eh, I'll just get my 1st gen TP2 replaced under warranty or something when the new 3.5mm one comes out for T-Mobile. Until then, I'll be perfectly happy with what I have.
I really don't get this whole 3.5 debacle. HTC has been making devices with their proprietery USB audio connection for years. All of a sudden some high profile blog sites start clammering for 3.5 and everyone feels they cant live without a 3.5mm headphone jack.
I'm not trying to rant; I rarely use my phone for audio since I have a Zune. Could someone please explain to me why this is such a big deal. They way I see it, if you are buying a WinMo phone purely to listen to music you are wasting your money.
alabij said:
I really don't get this whole 3.5 debacle. HTC has been making devices with their proprietery USB audio connection for years. All of a sudden some high profile blog sites start clammering for 3.5 and everyone feels they cant live without a 3.5mm headphone jack.
I'm not trying to rant; I rarely use my phone for audio since I have a Zune. Could someone please explain to me why this is such a big deal. They way I see it, if you are buying a WinMo phone purely to listen to music you are wasting your money.
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Just because you listen to music on your Ipod or whatever mp3 player you have doesn't mean that we all should do the same. On a side note, I think everyone has the right to spend on things they want.
CraZyLiLbOy said:
Just because you listen to music on your Ipod or whatever mp3 player you have doesn't mean that we all should do the same. On a side note, I think everyone has the right to spend on things they want.
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That's why I clearly said "The way I see it", as 'in my opinion'. Not everything should turn out to be a debate.
Got a USB/3.5 converter
Got an adapter here "http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370242796364&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT" for $3.94...Tj
My biggest reason for wanting a separate headphone jack is so you can plug your headphones in at the same time as a power cable, so you can listen to your MP3s on power while keeping the battery fully charged.
Andre
andrewilley said:
My biggest reason for wanting a separate headphone jack is so you can plug your headphones in at the same time as a power cable, so you can listen to your MP3s on power while keeping the battery fully charged.
Andre
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Ahh good point ...Tj
andrewilley said:
My biggest reason for wanting a separate headphone jack is so you can plug your headphones in at the same time as a power cable, so you can listen to your MP3s on power while keeping the battery fully charged.
Andre
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What about A2DP ?
dik23 said:
What about A2DP ?
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Doesn't work if you want to listen to the FM radio
does anyone know if mobilephonesdirect.co.uk are now shipping tp2's with the audio jack yet?
alabij said:
I really don't get this whole 3.5 debacle. HTC has been making devices with their proprietery USB audio connection for years. All of a sudden some high profile blog sites start clammering for 3.5 and everyone feels they cant live without a 3.5mm headphone jack.
I'm not trying to rant; I rarely use my phone for audio since I have a Zune. Could someone please explain to me why this is such a big deal. They way I see it, if you are buying a WinMo phone purely to listen to music you are wasting your money.
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I have to carry a cell phone. I need to carry a PDA. I want to carry a music player.
I don't want to carry more than one device and besides, wearing more than one headset at a time makes me look strange.
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That's why A2DP is soo great. I love using it especially since cables always die out on me. My headphone jacks used to get caught on whatever and I'd be buying a new set of headphones for my discman back in the day at least once a month (one month I actually ended up buying three pairs). Which is why I don't care about the 3.5mm jack.
well .. first off bluetooths great but i get iffy reception sometimes when attached to my body lol and of course the sounds not great good but not great... also i personally did not buy this phone just for music because then ide get a feature phone .. but i love music and require it a standard in a 600$ phone. second you can use the adapter but.. it sticks out of your pocket and when you whip the thing out youve got this glorious phone with a hideous alien brick sticking straight out the side ... and last note... in my experience with any form of mini usb, it wears down and pretty qick dep. on usage .. if i constantly plug in and disconnect for charging and syncing thats bad enough but many many times a day when you using headphones and this usb port will be lose in a few months where you haver to wiggle it to make it work . this happened on my kaiser, mogul and a blackberry i had (on kaiser i had to eventually use a piece of folded tinfoil in the port just to get it to charge under a year old..) ... on topic- i really hope us t mobile users can eventually get a 3.5 mm like through warranty/insurance because i am PINING for it! lol
takeda240 said:
. . . . . on topic- i really hope us t mobile users can eventually get a 3.5 mm like through warranty/insurance because i am PINING for it! lol
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Wow! If everyone is planning on replacing their TP2 on warranty then it might make monetary sense for T-Mob to stick to only the USB versions. wow! wow! wow!
Sure, you get a built-in headphone jack, however, from what I read online, CDMA versions will not allow phonecall + data at the same time. Only once the 4G network comes out will this be possible on a CDMA phone. So all of these CDMA touch pro 2 future owners are giving up simultaneous DATA + voice for a headphone jack. Then again, those that are already on a CDMA network will notice no changes from before.
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Then I'd be able to keep the phone charged... while and the bluetooth headset batteries would be going flat.
Andre
This is all a non-issue to me. From what I recall reading it is Tmo that specified they wanted their TP2 to be 3.5mm-less to HTC. So that is what HTC built for them. I wouldn't hold my breath for a TP2 from T-mo being 3.5mm inclusive at any point.
If I am in a location where I can charge my phone, I'll play the music through the speaker. It'll go through a headset if I'll be away from a power source (aka desk). And I have two options there, either the RC E100 remote (from my Kaiser days) which has a 3.5 jack or via A2DP with a Sony HBH-DS220 (3.5 jack), feeding a pair of Etymotic ER4P's with a 5" lead. Both have built in mics, keeps the phone holstered and out of sight.
I would like to be able to connect my Evo to my car so that I can listen to Pandora using the car stereo. Unfortunately my car only has an Ipod dock connector.
Would it be possible to create an adapter that will allow you to connect an HTC Evo to an Ipod dock and output audio?
I have seen something similar being done with a T-Mobile G1.
webnetta.com/2008/12/27/hack-connects-t-mobile-g1-to-ipod-dock/
Is it just as simple as getting a Ipod dock extender cable like this one:
monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10831&cs_id=1083101&p_id=6828
and cutting off the male and of this cable and soldering it to a male end of microusb cable?
Any help would be appreciated.
this is a huge area where android needs improvement.
There's no audio through the Evo USB port. I was searching for the same thing last night. I have a logitech ipod speaker: (can't post links)
I also have this ipod bluetooth adapter:
What I'm thinking about doing is to hardwire the bluetooth adapter to the inside of the speaker. Then get the 5v from the dock and make a cable or adapter to go to the Evo's mini usb port. It's not the best solution, but I do have all of the parts already. If I didn't, headphones would suffice.
find the schematic for the ipod dock and solder a headphone jack to the audio inputs on the connector and you're done. I have done the same thing and it worked just fine for my friend that I did it for.
the thing that sucks about that is you will need an extra cable to charge the phone.
speedracerbubba said:
find the schematic for the ipod dock and solder a headphone jack to the audio inputs on the connector and you're done. I have done the same thing and it worked just fine for my friend that I did it for.
the thing that sucks about that is you will need an extra cable to charge the phone.
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Hence my bluetooth idea.
I did some digging around a couple weeks ago and came across this
talkandroid.com/guides/ipod-dock-adapter-for-motorola-droidmilestone/
It sucks you need the 3.5 adapter, but better than letting letting a perfectly good dock sit and collect dust.
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I just ordered a couple of these last week. My car has an ipod adapter, and this should let me connect to that and connect the 3mm to my EVO.
It's coming from Hong Kong so may be a bit longer before it's delivered. I'll report back when I get it.
I can't post links yet - go to bestofferbuy.com and search
"3.5mm Male to iPod/iPhone 2G/3G/3GS Female Adapter Cable - Black (95CM-Length)"
It's $2.60 shipped so I bought two. Can't go wrong for 5bucks
oooo ^ good find. picked up two myself.
I've been using one of these in my car for about 6 months now, originally it was to have audio from netbook. It has now been doing me good on the evo.
*correct the link and bingo... Cant post the real link because of my noobness
w w w.cablejive.com/products/Dock-Input-Cable.html
I had the same problem, I think the best solution is to go Bluetooth. This will future proof you for phone changes down the line as well. Long story short, here is the best solution I've found and it works great! Just connect it to your ipod cable and stream over Bluetooth. So far it has worked with everything ipod, iPhone and iPad that I own, especially my custom installed iPhone stereo connector.
Just look up item number 190402178083 on eBay.
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Step 1: Buy some Sugru or ShapeLock
Step 2: Buy Cheapie $1 headphones
Step 3: Buy iPod female Dock connector and MicroUSB Male end
Step 4: Use Pinout.ru to connect the points appropriately (iPod dock connector pins are pretty small and you must work quickly or your will melt the plastic, do not forget the internal resistors if needed for your application)
Step 5: Wrap it up in Sugru or Shapelock (use hairdryer to smooth it out with your hands)
Step 6: Paint and Enjoy!
Creating custom cables and docks and such is really not that difficult, just need some decent soldering skill and patience.
You could also just buy this:
http://www.cablejive.com/universal-dock-converter
FIPO Bluetooth
I use this in my BMW for streaming over the bluetooth to the stereo. Works great and convient to just start the car and the Evo start playing music/podcast/etc.
FIPO Amazon Sprint search will turn up the 20 dollar adapter.
Childofthehorn said:
Creating custom cables and docks and such is really not that difficult, just need some decent soldering skill and patience.
http://www.cablejive.com/universal-dock-converter
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Some of us do have the necessary skills, but do not want a ugly wire staring us in the face. Also the components themselves tend to get expensive when ripping apart 3 different cords for parts... not to mention when someone tries this and melts something, then you have to go through the hassle of ordering more components. That is the main reason we come here, because someone may already be on the job.
Now..... if your offering to do it, and you have a pricetag and are willing to offer support in case it doesn't work or kills our phones or car stereos, then I am all ears. But definitely thanks for the link.
As far as BT goes, the one poster is kind of right, I think the phone industry is betting on bluetooth, although its been 15 years, and BT performance is still at best Mediocre.
00-Photon said:
I had the same problem, I think the best solution is to go Bluetooth. This will future proof you for phone changes down the line as well. Long story short, here is the best solution I've found and it works great! Just connect it to your ipod cable and stream over Bluetooth. So far it has worked with everything ipod, iPhone and iPad that I own, especially my custom installed iPhone stereo connector.
Just look up item number 190402178083 on eBay.
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now that is sweet! best solution yet!
What if we took audio out from the HDMI port?
Brutal-Force said:
Also the components themselves tend to get expensive when ripping apart 3 different cords for parts... not to mention when someone tries this and melts something, then you have to go through the hassle of ordering more components.
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True, But there are those of us with drive to do something unique and have something that fits our needs exactly. DealExtreme.com is a great place to buy the cables to be ripped up and dollar stores can be a real treasure trove. Craft/ART stores also have a lot of things which can be easily repurposed.
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Now..... if your offering to do it, and you have a pricetag and are willing to offer support in case it doesn't work or kills our phones or car stereos, then I am all ears.
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I used to be a person who did his kind of work in college, but it is time consuming and repetitive. Plus, this is likely a market of people who are not willing to spend great amounts of money on handmade products. Even if someone charged $30 each it would not be worth the average techies time, but a worthwhile effort for a high school or college student with the drive to learn and perfect.
Brutal-Force said:
As far as BT goes, the one poster is kind of right, I think the phone industry is betting on bluetooth, although its been 15 years, and BT performance is still at best Mediocre.
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You are correct in MOST scenarios!
It is more of an issue not with the BT technology itself rather the way it is popularly implemented. BT does have the ability to send out very high quality audio streams and many of which are nearly lossless in quality. The issues are with the device that streams and the device that receives. The chosen connection type between the two devices must be mutual. Problem is that most BT devices streaming A2DP use only SBC coding of varied bit rate and quality.
Now if you have a really well done setup that is very thought out you can have your EVO sending out a pure 320kbps MP3 or AAC or other compatible stream direct with no conversion being done in real time to a BT receiver which is MP3, etc. stream compatible and has an excellent, typically non-chip integrated, DAC with a nice buffered output. Problem is that many BT receiver chips are made to be as cheap as possible, have crappy dacs, and push out very little power (or simply have no buffer at all) to even crappier speakers. When you combine that with real time conversion of MP3 and other formats to SBC at an even lower bit rate, you have an even worse experience.
IMO, the headphone output on the EVO does not sound that good and if you have a car that does accept MP3 320k BT streams and you use an alternative media player like meridian that allows that kind of behavior, then it should be fine for even above average car audio.
Have a Great Listening Experience!
JoeBass said:
I just ordered a couple of these last week. My car has an ipod adapter, and this should let me connect to that and connect the 3mm to my EVO.
It's coming from Hong Kong so may be a bit longer before it's delivered. I'll report back when I get it.
I can't post links yet - go to bestofferbuy.com and search
"3.5mm Male to iPod/iPhone 2G/3G/3GS Female Adapter Cable - Black (95CM-Length)"
It's $2.60 shipped so I bought two. Can't go wrong for 5bucks
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Great find! Just ordered one for myself
Childofthehorn said:
True, But there are those of us with drive to do something unique and have something that fits our needs exactly. DealExtreme.com is a great place to buy the cables to be ripped up and dollar stores can be a real treasure trove. Craft/ART stores also have a lot of things which can be easily repurposed.
I used to be a person who did his kind of work in college, but it is time consuming and repetitive. Plus, this is likely a market of people who are not willing to spend great amounts of money on handmade products. Even if someone charged $30 each it would not be worth the average techies time, but a worthwhile effort for a high school or college student with the drive to learn and perfect.
You are correct in MOST scenarios!
It is more of an issue not with the BT technology itself rather the way it is popularly implemented. BT does have the ability to send out very high quality audio streams and many of which are nearly lossless in quality. The issues are with the device that streams and the device that receives. The chosen connection type between the two devices must be mutual. Problem is that most BT devices streaming A2DP use only SBC coding of varied bit rate and quality.
Now if you have a really well done setup that is very thought out you can have your EVO sending out a pure 320kbps MP3 or AAC or other compatible stream direct with no conversion being done in real time to a BT receiver which is MP3, etc. stream compatible and has an excellent, typically non-chip integrated, DAC with a nice buffered output. Problem is that many BT receiver chips are made to be as cheap as possible, have crappy dacs, and push out very little power (or simply have no buffer at all) to even crappier speakers. When you combine that with real time conversion of MP3 and other formats to SBC at an even lower bit rate, you have an even worse experience.
IMO, the headphone output on the EVO does not sound that good and if you have a car that does accept MP3 320k BT streams and you use an alternative media player like meridian that allows that kind of behavior, then it should be fine for even above average car audio.
Have a Great Listening Experience!
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Well, that was a mouthfull. Thanks though, it helps a little. I did spend quite a while researching different Bluetooth headsets. But alas, as you have pointed out, although most of what is considered to be high end headsets, still only use bluetooth 2.0. The EVO also doesn't do a very good job at streaming bluetooth. Pandora and Music Player skip horribly. I was not aware that Meridian did a better job. I guess, that might have been another option.
As far as the bluetooth headsets go though, if your looking for A2DP, the selection is still limited, unless you want a dongle type headset, which IMO, you might as well use a wire. The Motorola, Rocketfish and Jabra headsets of top end just don't do as good a job as seating properly, unless you spend 50+ dollars on a custom ear piece.
There really are a lot of trade-offs in audio performance, but a good set high quality ear buds or headphones are hard to beat. Then comes the Car audio as well as home audio into play. I use mine as a MP3 player both on the go and in the car. My car has a Audio In jack, so I am happy with that.
I ordered a E5 Amplifier to go with mine, it should be here in a week or two. While my headset has finally broken in, I could do with about 10-20% more volume, but I am hoping for a little improved base since it will have the power to push my Vmoda Remix.
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Well, that was a mouthful....
The Motorola, Rocketfish and Jabra headsets of top end just don't do as good a job as seating properly, unless you spend 50+ dollars on a custom ear piece.
There really are a lot of trade-offs in audio performance, but a good set high quality ear buds or headphones are hard to beat.
I ordered a E5 Amplifier to go with mine, it should be here in a week or two. While my headset has finally broken in, I could do with about 10-20% more volume, but I am hoping for a little improved base since it will have the power to push my Vmoda Remix.
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Yeah, The E5 is a decent beginner set. You may want to look at building a CMoy at some point, make sure to use slightly larger electrolytic caps and good film caps (resistors don't matter as much). If you make one with good parts and socketed chip, you can roll in to your flavor and it will take portable amps that are $100 or more to beat it. As far as kit amps go, its hard to beat a Mini3 for $100 to put together yourself.
I only say this as a person who actually owns a $450 Portable Amp and $575 Custom triple driver In-ear's. Don't even get me started about the stuff that is at home (I have way too much audio crap!)
BTW - you can make your own custom silicone ear pieces by using some Sugru or if you know an audiologist, you can get some of the Westone two part silicone that they normally use for getting impressions. As with everything, be careful and YMMV.
I wish i had the time to work on getting a USB host for the EVO so that we could use external USB DAC's (like the very small alien and grub).
00-Photon said:
I had the same problem, I think the best solution is to go Bluetooth. This will future proof you for phone changes down the line as well. Long story short, here is the best solution I've found and it works great! Just connect it to your ipod cable and stream over Bluetooth. So far it has worked with everything ipod, iPhone and iPad that I own, especially my custom installed iPhone stereo connector.
Just look up item number 190402178083 on eBay.
Sent from my EVO 4G using XDA App
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Just ordered this too. The cable I ordered from Bestofferbuy . c o m was backordered, so I canceled. I agree with you, this should do the trick, saw it on another forum and looks like it will also allow some steering wheel functionality.
I ordered two through amazon, also found it on geek . com. Searching either with "Sprint Anycom Bluetooth A2DP Reciever" will get you there.
Hi. I want to buy a dock station to put my galaxy note and play some music (with quality) like this http://viewitem.eim.ebay.pt/Logitec...aker-Docking-StationNano44S/310354211613/item for example.
Anyone know one?
pauloallex24 said:
Hi. I want to buy a dock station to put my galaxy note and play some music (with quality) like this http://viewitem.eim.ebay.pt/Logitec...aker-Docking-StationNano44S/310354211613/item for example.
Anyone know one?
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The official desktop dock features a 3.5mm line out that should allow exactly for what you are thinking of.
Unfortunately early reports point put that the output of that line out is so weak that it's utterly unable to feed any amp due to a very low voltage.
Actually this and only this is the reason why i have not purchased the Note and i still stick to my iPhone. I love the ubiquty of the iPhone line out and speaker aftermarket.
elfary said:
The official desktop dock features a 3.5mm line out that should allow exactly for what you are thinking of.
Unfortunately early reports point put that the output of that line out is so weak that it's utterly unable to feed any amp due to a very low voltage.
Actually this and only this is the reason why i have not purchased the Note and i still stick to my iPhone. I love the ubiquty of the iPhone line out and speaker aftermarket.
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Dont is that (but could be). I want one with speakers. Could be that but the ganuine is a little bit expensive.
elfary said:
The official desktop dock features a 3.5mm line out that should allow exactly for what you are thinking of.
Unfortunately early reports point put that the output of that line out is so weak that it's utterly unable to feed any amp due to a very low voltage.
Actually this and only this is the reason why i have not purchased the Note and i still stick to my iPhone. I love the ubiquty of the iPhone line out and speaker aftermarket.
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Eh? I have a logitech dock I bought for my rubbish iPhone. I use a cable jive converter and my note dock and it blasts out louder than my iPhone ever did. Buy a 5mm lead and go down the shops and try out some of the docks or the wireless systems
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Fazziebear said:
Eh? I have a logitech dock I bought for my rubbish iPhone. I use a cable jive converter and my note dock and it blasts out louder than my iPhone ever did. Buy a 5mm lead and go down the shops and try out some of the docks or the wireless systems
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I can do that but I really want to buy and can use the dock without any "cheat".
Fazziebear said:
Eh? I have a logitech dock I bought for my rubbish iPhone. I use a cable jive converter and my note dock and it blasts out louder than my iPhone ever did. Buy a 5mm lead and go down the shops and try out some of the docks or the wireless systems
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I'm afraid that double amping is not the purest way to pump put music off any device. That's why a line out is a must in my book
pauloallex24 said:
Hi. I want to buy a dock station to put my galaxy note and play some music (with quality) like this http://viewitem.eim.ebay.pt/Logitec...aker-Docking-StationNano44S/310354211613/item for example.
Anyone know one?
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Get the filips. For android.
pauloallex24 said:
Hi. I want to buy a dock station to put my galaxy note and play some music (with quality) like this http://viewitem.eim.ebay.pt/Logitec...aker-Docking-StationNano44S/310354211613/item for example.
Anyone know one?
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/03/samsung-htib-audio-dock-soundbar-ces2012/
YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND.
Livewings said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/03/samsung-htib-audio-dock-soundbar-ces2012/
YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND.
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Really cool but no release date :s
http://www.google.com/m?hl=en&gl=us...-widget&action=devloc&q=Phillips+android+dock
The day Android gets right the speaker dock aftermarket then i will switch from iPhone.
To me getting it right is having a wired speaker dock aftermarket. I don't trust the Bluetooth A2DP profile the most Android devices use (Low encoding SBC protocol). And amping the headphone out is like pouring Chanel No. 5 over a pig. It smells better but the scent is still lousy.
I think that the very fact that there is not a serious speaker dock aftermarket for Android devices shows clearly that these devices are hardware lacking for that purpose and that's why most companies do not spend money on devising products because the final quality is handicapped from the very beginning cause there is no clean line out built in (As opposed to iPhones whose line out allow for very good sounding speaker docks).
I think the main culprit is the choice of a miniusb out instead of a 30 Pin connector like iPhones or Galaxy Tabs. That might be the limiting factor. Aside from the obvious lack of focus in the audio department that Android shows (i.e. Still no true gapless playback out of the box). And this lack of focus is shared by Windows Phone 7 to Apple delight (since most music lovers stick to them just for this very reason).
elfary said:
The day Android gets right the speaker dock aftermarket then i will switch from iPhone.
To me getting it right is having a wired speaker dock aftermarket. I don't trust the Bluetooth A2DP profile the most Android devices use (Low encoding SBC protocol). And amping the headphone out is like pouring Chanel No. 5 over a pig. It smells better but the scent is still lousy.
I think that the very fact that there is not a serious speaker dock aftermarket for Android devices shows clearly that these devices are hardware lacking for that purpose and that's why most companies do not spend money on devising products because the final quality is handicapped from the very beginning cause there is no clean line out built in (As opposed to iPhones whose line out allow for very good sounding speaker docks).
I think the main culprit is the choice of a miniusb out instead of a 30 Pin connector like iPhones or Galaxy Tabs. That might be the limiting factor. Aside from the obvious lack of focus in the audio department that Android shows (i.e. Still no true gapless playback out of the box). And this lack of focus is shared by Windows Phone 7 to Apple delight (since most music lovers stick to them just for this very reason).
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It would be great if manufacturers exploit the use of MHL to send digital audio to these speaker docks and since MHL requires power to operate, the dock will power it.
Yeah. The DHL has potential but the speaker dock would need a built in DAC which will make the thing more expensive and bulky.
But as it stands now DHL is the only serious wired solution that i see for music lovers like me which find great the ability of docking the iPhone on a Logitec portable speaker dock that you can take almost anywhere (hotels, garden kitchen, even the toilet
This time around i thought that Samsung had got it right with the line out of the desktop dock but unfortunately it seems to work pretty bad (low voltage and interference when the dock is charging the Note).
I've been meaning to get around to building a iOS dock adapter specifically for Samsung's Galaxy series devices. I'll dive into the nitty gritty in a moment.
For now I decided to [recently] settle on a Phillips Fidelio AS351 as my drop in dock, and it actually surpassed my expectations for an A2DP connected dock. It's not the worlds best sound, but much better than I had expected. You could always grab one of them if you wanted.
Now, that adapter.
I made a post on the GSII forums about how to do this but have yet to get around to making one as such. It'd be similar to how this gent made his, without the actual auxiliary cable sticking out. Everything would go through the micro USB connection.
Just randomly wondering, who would actually purchase one if I somehow got to making them?
DarkShot666 said:
I've been meaning to get around to building a iOS dock adapter specifically for Samsung's Galaxy series devices. I'll dive into the nitty gritty in a moment.
For now I decided to [recently] settle on a Phillips Fidelio AS351 as my drop in dock, and it actually surpassed my expectations for an A2DP connected dock. It's not the worlds best sound, but much better than I had expected. You could always grab one of them if you wanted.
Now, that adapter.
I made a post on the GSII forums about how to do this but have yet to get around to making one as such. It'd be similar to how this gent made his, without the actual auxiliary cable sticking out. Everything would go through the micro USB connection.
Just randomly wondering, who would actually purchase one if I somehow got to making them?
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I think that any Note owner who happens to have iPod/iPhone speaker docks would buy a line out dock.
In my particular case is not only that i would buy the line out dock but i would buy the Note as well. I have not purchased it for this whole speaker dock (lack of quality connectivity) issue.
How is the A2DP Bluetooth profile in the Galaxy Note ? Does it use the awful sbc profile or it does use mp3/aac direct stream (as the iPhone and Nokias do) ?
The work of the dutch folk is impressive but unfortunately he is getting amped audio from the headphone out to get it amped again by the speaker dock: double amping is a no go for quality low level sounds.
Thus that the Note would have a built in line out thru the microusb would be a must. It seems that actually the Note can output audio thru the microusb (Judging from the official desktop dock) but users have reported that the signal is very weak and it renders the line out almost unusable. Quite sad taking into account how good is this device in almost every other area.
Android and manufacturers should enforce a hardware line out standard that would allow for an aftermarket of speaker docks as gorgeous as the Apple one.
elfary said:
I think that any Note owner who happens to have iPod/iPhone speaker docks would buy a line out dock.
In my particular case is not only that i would buy the line out dock but i would buy the Note as well. I have not purchased it for this whole speaker dock (lack of quality connectivity) issue.
How is the A2DP Bluetooth profile in the Galaxy Note ? Does it use the awful sbc profile or it does use mp3/aac direct stream (as the iPhone and Nokias do) ?
The work of the dutch folk is impressive but unfortunately he is getting amped audio from the headphone out to get it amped again by the speaker dock: double amping is a no go for quality low level sounds.
Thus that the Note would have a built in line out thru the microusb would be a must. It seems that actually the Note can output audio thru the microusb (Judging from the official desktop dock) but users have reported that the signal is very weak and it renders the line out almost unusable. Quite sad taking into account how good is this device in almost every other area.
Android and manufacturers should enforce a hardware line out standard that would allow for an aftermarket of speaker docks as gorgeous as the Apple one.
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Fair enough. I've already got an iOS dock and I know others do, so that was a random tidbit about that.
As for the quality, I couldn't tell you to be honest. It sounds far better than any A2DP device I've used so I'm assuming it uses the second. However this could be partly due to the dock itself.
Now for the audio out, in one of my links I refer to that very fact. I've ordered some parts to see about actually making an iOS dock adapter to make use of the line out, so we'll see what happens.
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Fair enough. I've already got an iOS dock and I know others do, so that was a random tidbit about that.
As for the quality, I couldn't tell you to be honest. It sounds far better than any A2DP device I've used so I'm assuming it uses the second. However this could be partly due to the dock itself.
Now for the audio out, in one of my links I refer to that very fact. I've ordered some parts to see about actually making an iOS dock adapter to make use of the line out, so we'll see what happens.
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Are you saying the Samsung Galaxy Note A2DP streaming is a quality one that allows for a decent audio at high volumes without the typical SBC profile cracking noises and breaking high end ?
If that was the case then just a Logitech Bluetooth adapter could do the trick for quite a while and the Note would turn to a go in my book since this is the only issue that it's holding me back.
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Are you saying the Samsung Galaxy Note A2DP streaming is a quality one that allows for a decent audio at high volumes without the typical SBC profile cracking noises and breaking high end ?
If that was the case then just a Logitech Bluetooth adapter could do the trick for quite a while and the Note would turn to a go in my book since this is the only issue that it's holding me back.
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I only get distortion on the dead rare occaision, really only due to the limited bandwidth during some songs that have a lot going on. Otherwise you wouldn't really believe it were over Bluetooth. Don't take my word for it, see if you can get your hands on one. Hell, a GSII should work as they've got the same internals.
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I only get distortion on the dead rare occaision, really only due to the limited bandwidth during some songs that have a lot going on. Otherwise you wouldn't really believe it were over Bluetooth. Don't take my word for it, see if you can get your hands on one. Hell, a GSII should work as they've got the same internals.
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The only Bluetooth fed sound system that i've heard yet that i'd might be close to take for a wired system is my JVC AVX-44 when it pumps out when fed via Bluetooth by my iPhone. Anyway i've listened to very few Bluetooth devices.
But if the Note A2DP is close to that i might jump in. Thanks a lot for your feedback.
Going a bit offtopic i'd say that there are people who don't like music. There are people who just like music.There are people who like music a lot.And then there are people who love music and the sound and timbre of the instruments even appreciating the space between them.
Is in this realm where i find hard to let go of the iPhone. That's how good it is sound wise. You need a dedicated player amped with a very good portable amp to catch up with the iPhone headphone outwhich i deem as a unique piece of engineering.
Anybody who has paired an iPhone with a multidriver iem (Westone UM3x, Shure SE535...) may understand this last hurdle standing between me and the gorgeous Note.
elfary said:
The only Bluetooth fed sound system that i've heard yet that i'd might be close to take for a wired system is my JVC AVX-44 when it pumps out when fed via Bluetooth by my iPhone. Anyway i've listened to very few Bluetooth devices.
But if the Note A2DP is close to that i might jump in. Thanks a lot for your feedback.
Going a bit offtopic i'd say that there are people who don't like music. There are people who just like music.There are people who like music a lot.And then there are people who love music and the sound and timbre of the instruments even appreciating the space between them.
Is in this realm where i find hard to let go of the iPhone. That's how good it is sound wise. You need a dedicated player amped with a very good portable amp to catch up with the iPhone headphone outwhich i deem as a unique piece of engineering.
Anybody who has paired an iPhone with a multidriver iem (Westone UM3x, Shure SE535...) may understand this last hurdle standing between me and the gorgeous Note.
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Understandable. I personally would have never used Bluetooth for music playback but the convenience when paired with the dock is great. I was skeptical and I'm still debating on keeping it. I probably will because it makes a great portable dock for my current phone.
As for the audio part, if you use an iPhone as your primary portable media player you aught to be reasonably content with the Note in terms of SQ. I've used it and a Clip+ with a pair of SE215s and HD 25-1 IIs and I'd say they're just about on par.
I wish I had the money to sink into a pair of UM3s. I did luck out with a pair of K702s for home listening on the way however. Pretty stoked about that.
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I use my n5 as my mp3 player in my car but the sound sucks. I'm thinking of getting a dac to fix this.
I have a otg cable to plug in my usb key that contains my mp3 library. So first I know i will need a y otg, have some all ready but not sur I have the right one but that is a detail. I dont really care about simultaneously charging my phone.
So what good dac do you suggest. Keep in mind I don't have a lot of money, not to sure what kind of budget yet.
Thanks
Please
nitramus said:
I use my n5 as my mp3 player in my car but the sound sucks. I'm thinking of getting a dac to fix this.
I have a otg cable to plug in my usb key that contains my mp3 library. So first I know i will need a y otg, have some all ready but not sur I have the right one but that is a detail. I dont really care about simultaneously charging my phone.
So what good dac do you suggest. Keep in mind I don't have a lot of money, not to sure what kind of budget yet.
Thanks
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Are you sure you have not a faulty cable/ nexus 5 connector or bad regulated equalizer on nexus 5?
I ask you cause I m not an audiophile but nexus 5 sound great to my ears, almost like nexus s which feature one of the best DAC on portable devices
nitramus said:
I use my n5 as my mp3 player in my car but the sound sucks. I'm thinking of getting a dac to fix this.
I have a otg cable to plug in my usb key that contains my mp3 library. So first I know i will need a y otg, have some all ready but not sur I have the right one but that is a detail. I dont really care about simultaneously charging my phone.
So what good dac do you suggest. Keep in mind I don't have a lot of money, not to sure what kind of budget yet.
Thanks
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Try dragonfly by Audioquest or Cambridge Audio USB DAC. They sound awesome. I prefer the latter one. =)
Thanks for the reply. Everything I get gives me more info to search and get informed.
If you want a good dac at reasonable money try fio,get from Amazon
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"Sucks" is a subjective term, but I agree with Axel85. If you're currently getting terrible sound, a USB DAC is a costly hail-mary that likely won't solve your problem. USB OTG DACs are great way to salvage an aging phone as a media player or to bypass a damaged the 3.5mm output. Otherwise, they're a way to turn already "great" sound into "exceptional." I can say with complete confidence that, even over bluetooth, the Nexus 5's built-in audio is impressive. If it "sucks" on your setup, then you definitely want to ensure that the problem doesn't lie elsewhere before investing in a DAC. If it is, in fact, the Nexus 5, ship that sucker back to Google, because a DAC definitely won't help. Just be sure there aren't other elements in your setup putting the constraints on your sound reproduction.
Now if you're truly blessed (cursed?) with golden ears and an audiophile's insatiable desire for perfection, then "sucks" probably has a different meaning for you; Otherwise, it's best to rule out everything else before plopping down substantial cash on a USB DAC. On that note, the Nexus' internal DAC crushes any entry-level/ low-end ($30-$50 DAC), so you'd really only want to consider the next step up, and it is a big step in price. Great units from $120-$200 from Fiio or Cambridge Audio. I've heard the Audioengine D3 on a laptop and it was fantastic, the form factor is great, as well, but I haven't investigated whether it plays nicely with lollipop OTG. There are a lot of issues to consider -some are legitimate headaches. Aside from the additional clutter of more cables and another powered device, the effect on your phone's battery is not one to take lightly. You may be able to currently stream pandora all day long, but with your phone acting as a USB host, you have to be conscious of the potential power draw from any USB DAC. A big amplifier can drain that battery quickly without its own power source to supplement. Many DACs are even equipped with their own internal batteries, but regardless, the power question is not something to minimize. Depending on the unit, powered USB hubs and the right cables can provide an easy fix.
But before you go pulling the trigger on a DAC, let me suggest a few things and some troubleshooting steps...
On the software side:
Play with built-in equalizer/AudioFX/DSP (it may do nothing at all with your ROM & kernel). I also highly recommend that you try playing your media through an app called PowerAmp. If that doesn't give you the fidelity boost you're looking for, then give Viper4Android a whirl. It requires a slightly more complicated installation (depending on the ROM), and the tweaking can get advanced, but the results are truly impressive with the right music. "FauxSound" is a custom kernel I'm yet to experiment with because it's (currently) incompatible with CM12.1 CAF, but the reviews in the forums seem overwhelmingly positive. When it comes to sound, perceptible differences vary from person to person.
As to troubleshooting the phone's output:
It should go without saying, but if your factory head unit and speakers and are junk ...if music has never sounded good on your system, a USB DAC isn't the miracle worker you need. Spend the money on a decent head unit and/or upgrade your speakers. An underpowered, factory installed head unit can turn otherwise decent speakers into muffled distortion makers, so take stock of the equipment you're working with and manage expectations. If you're an audiophile, you can likely ignore much of this, but for the sake of anyone else in a similar boat, considering a DAC to improve audio, lets go down the troubleshooting checkbox:
1) First and foremost, check your source files. If you're streaming, make sure it's high quality. You may need to go into the app's advanced settings. For most people's ears, there are diminishing returns above 320kbps MP3 /256AAC vs. the storage requirements. With the right gear and the right source though, "lossless" music can bring out elements you never heard on your favorite tracks: fingers lifting and moving along frets, or a half-note you never caught. If your ROM is capable of natively playing 96000Hz 24-bit FLAC, by all means, give it a go (or any other lossless).
2) Test your 3.5mm headphone connection with decent pair of actual headphones. Still sucks? Spray the jack with compressed air and see if it helps. Try with another set of headphones. Try with a friend's car, try on your home stereo. Then connect to your car and compare. If it's worse, swap out the cable before anything else. Quality matters here. The difference between the the $0.99 cable you buy at the gas station and the $12 cable at BestBuy can be huge. A quality cable means one sheilded for interference with wiring and connectors made of materials that optimize conductivity (often a thin gold plating). Many are even cut specifically to ensure a solid connection through the narrow opening of an aftermarket case/protector. A better connection means better sound.
3) If all is well with the 3.5mm, plug it into your mobile charger. Audio still clean? If not, try another charger. Still sounding crappy? Is this limited to the car or did you hear it on your headphones? How about over bluetooth? If it's only in the car, and sound gets worse on the charger, there might be a ground loop somewhere in the car's electrical system (often this manifests as a high frequency whine that increases as you accelerate, or changes frequency when you turn on the A/C, headlights, etc). This could be as simple as something plugged into the cars cigarette lighter, or a bad connection somewhere in the vehicles electrical system... The problem is the "somewhere" part, and tracing it down can mean pulling fuses all day long.
3) If you connect over bluetooth (not optimal) perform the same tests. If bluetooth degrades audio quality significantly, then your car stereo may be on an older standard that simply can't operate at the bandwidth capabilities for high-bitrate audio. Aside from just not using bluetooth, there's no simple fix for this. If you dont get a drop in audio quality when connecting to another bluetooth device, then your in-car options are limited: connect via 3.5mm out, replace the head unit with a newer one, or install a bluetooth 4.0+ adapter to the car stereo's auxillary inputs. It's worth at least mentioning that, although unlikely, interference from other devices could be an issue. Anything that operates within the same wireless spectrum as bluetooth could be a source of interference. A bluetooth obdii reader, a wireless transmitter from a rear view camera, even other phones in the car that have been paired with the stereo.... Anything on 2.4ghz Normally, there's a preamble before transmission that keeps devices operating on these frequencies from interfering with each other, but if there's a bluetooth device in the vehicle on an early standard, that may not be the case. Also, if there's any USB 3.0 connection (powered hub, thumb drive) in close proximity to bluetooth, get rid of it or buy a shielded extension cable -noise emitted at the connection crushes bluetooth throughput and connection reliability.
Regardless, just make sure that the rest of your system is up to the task before investing in a DAC. Don't get me wrong, they are fantastic with the right gear, but each component of your setup can improve output as much as it can act as a bottleneck on the quality of the sound it reproduces. Make sure the investment is worth it by ensuring your system is ready for it. If not, put your money towards the fundamentals: Head unit + speakers.
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If your ROM is capable of natively playing 96000Hz 24-bit FLAC, by all means, give it a go.
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Are you aware of any such ROMs?
Well, some clarification is necessary... even stock kitkat should *play* a 24/96FLAC, but "Natively" isn't the correct terminology. If that were true 24/96 on the N5, this thread wouldn't exist. The Nexus 5 downsamples significantly, but the better the source, the better the sample. Quality will be great coming from a lossless 24bit/96khz source, but its not gonna be true 24/96 if its coming from the Nexus 5's internal DAC. It'll be downsampled to its hardware and software limitations. I know with kitkat this was 16bit/48khz, but I can't speak to whether or not this ceiling *actually* increased with Lollipop. In theory, the N5's Qualcomm Wolfson wcd9320 DAC supported up to 192khz, and Lollipop bumped support up to 96khz, but if I recall, it's the Snapdragon 800 that isn't capable of 24/96. Without a DAC, and downsampled to 16bit/48khz, you might get an imperceptibly lower noise floor, but other than I doubt you'd hear a difference between lossless sources.
Personally I think it's total overkill to use up that kind of space without having a DAC capable of reproducing it (or freakin golden ears) but if you're going for the most accurate reference track you can find for problem-tracing, have at it. Even Downsampled, that FLAC will sound much better than an encoded mp3.
If there's a ROM with true "native" 24/96khz reproduction on the N5 I certainly don't know about it... Or need it.
As to specific ROMs and compatibility: Cyanogenmod is my go-to. I prefer Viper4Android over AudioFX, but with major tweaking (specific to my headphones). Out of the box, AudioFX is great.
Lollipop, in general, has vastly improved audio performance. Raised sampling resolution from 16 bit PCM to 24bit and sampling rate from 44/48khz to support 96khz (if the phones hardware can support it, else USB DAC). Lower i/o latency gives the closest thing android has seen to real-time audio since the start (which has been a major issue for musicians,DJ, game developers, even VoIP). Floating point sampling is new too, which, in theory, reduces clipping, improves headroom and dynamic range.
Do I need to use a custom ROM with an external DAC like the Fiio E18 or other DAC's? Could I simply purchase any external DAC? If not what do I need to look for when shopping for external DAC's that work with the Nexus 5?
My Nexus 5 is stock currently on 5.1.
Thank you for any advice.
Viper 4 android.